=== qengho_ is now known as CardinalFang === tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson [03:27] anyone had any luck with evolution-ews? I seem to hang after adding my office365 mailbox [04:35] /join #ubuntu-devel === ochosi_ is now known as ochosi [07:48] Good morning. === ballock_ is now known as ballock === kick__ is now known as kickinz1 === kickinz1 is now known as kickinz1|luncj === kickinz1|luncj is now known as kickinz1|lunch === SwedMike is now known as SwedeMike === kickinz1|lunch is now known as kickinz1 [12:48] Hiyas all === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:10] hi everyone! apologies for my lack of google-fu / general ubuntu development process knowlege; I was wondering if anyone could give me a general idea if running the current pre-release is essentially equivalent to running Debian Sid, and can I just up date my /etc/apt/sources.list to those repos and upgrade, or is there a significant expectation of breakage without doing a clean install? [14:10] you'd need to do a clean [14:11] ah, okay, I thought there was a good chance that was true but I hoped it wouldn't be :) [14:11] miyako: I'm not exactly sure the point at which +1 split but it does fork at a point from debian, and then it's inconsistent with that; there are also a range of ubuntu specific patches on packages and some packages that are more recent in ubuntu than debian [14:12] penguin42: oh, sorry, I am currently running ubuntu 14.04, I just meant can I track +1 instead of stable in ubuntu as I would be able to do tracking sid instead of wheezy in debian [14:13] oh, yeh, if you want to switch from 14.04 to 14.10 run do-release-upgrade -d [14:13] I'd advise against that [14:13] as it WILL break [14:13] miyako: It'll update your sources and also has some fixes in occasionally for other screwups [14:14] ikonia: is that "it will break" on the same scale as running Sid / Rawhide / Arch / etc. or "it will break" as in "we, the developers, are actively creating a system with known breakages in preperation for the next release"? [14:14] miyako: no as in it will break, refuse to boot and you'll need to re-install [14:14] ikonia: ah, okay [14:15] I'm getting the feeling that if what I want is Sid I might be better off to just install Sid and be done with it, honestly it's just that I got all of my power management and SSD stuff tuned on this laptop and I didnt' want to do a clean install of anything and have to do that work again if I could help it [14:16] miyako: if you want something that works like sid - install sid [14:17] I really wasn't sure how similar the ubuntu development model was, I have had ubuntu on this laptop for a while because, laptop, and ubuntu seemed, at least a couple of years ago, to work with less fuss on a laptop than anything else [14:17] but I'm really more familiar with debian anyway [14:17] and I'm not sure I want to wait for 14.10 to be able to have the new Qt stuff since until then I'll be stuck developing on Windows [14:18] * penguin42 would still upgrade to 14.10 - if you know how to wrangle Debian problems you should be fine [14:18] it's working fine here [14:19] I suppose if I assume I need to re-install, do my backing up and creating new install media first, then if I try the upgrade the worst-case scenario is I just clean install Sid as planned [14:20] life would be much easier if Qtcreator didnt' segfault when running under virtualbox =\ [14:21] that's pretty unusual [14:22] penguin42: I've done a lot of research into this the last few days, apparently it has to do with a specific interaction between the OpenGL rendering extensions that are being used for previewing accellerated qtquick UI widgets and the virtualbox 3D accellerated video drivers [14:22] ah ok, that does make sense [14:23] since I'm doing game development just turning off OpenGL isn't really an option or I'd just do that [14:24] but as it stands right now the only dev environment I have that's actually working properly is my Windows 8 machine, and having to use windows for programming should be a violation of the geneva convention [14:25] yeh, that's a bit grim [17:34] I'm unable to boot with nvidia drivers under utopic [17:34] i tried to install with software & updates [17:35] (ubuntu gnome) [17:35] nouveau forces my system to reboot unfortunately [17:36] which was already happening under older versions of ubuntu as well [17:37] knitt1, it;s the new kernel module that doesn't support nvidia , you obviously upgraded your kernel , it's not the desktop at fault. I have the dame problem and run KDE [17:37] same [17:38] BluesKaj: oh. I see. so I have two options: downgrade kernel or wait for an nvidia update? [17:39] knitt1, what do you mean nouveau forces reboot , is the system crashing ? [17:40] BluesKaj: screen freezes, and after a few seconds screen goes black and I'm at the POST screen of bios [17:40] knitt1, or run with the older kernel , it works, I tried it [17:41] try 3.16.0-10 in grub knitt1 [17:41] BluesKaj: ok, I will try later [17:42] so much stuff to re-install in a new system :) [17:42] and also finally switched from x86 to amd64 [17:44] clean install to 64biit [17:44] ? [17:44] yes [17:45] it was time [17:45] I think x86 gets tested less and less :] [17:45] most apps are 64 now, just a few 32 bit die hards still around [17:48] I think nouveau is overwriting some memory it's not supposed to write to [17:49] my VRAM is pretty limited, maybe that's a problem [17:53] my nvidia card is entry level 8400gs with 256mb memory and it wasn't a problem before the kernel upgrade , don't see how that should change if nouveau works almost as well as the 331 driver [17:54] BluesKaj: well, it doesn't with my card. I had these problems with 14.04 too (and I think even with debian jessie) [17:54] mine has 128M dedicated (displays as 256M in nvidia-settings) [17:54] VRAM is almost always used 95% with nvidia proprietary drivers if I have a few firefox windows open [17:54] and I'm only using a single monitor to keep VRAM usage low [17:56] that should be fine [17:57] 95% is fine? [17:58] hey penguin42 , would you know if the nvidia recommended driver bug has been fixed ? I haven't seen any nvidia upgrades yet [17:59] but crashen happen mainly when browsing images on the webz with firefox [18:00] knitt1, could be a flash problem [18:01] there's no flash most of the time [18:02] sometimes I can trigger a reboot by going to the activities view of gnome-shell [18:03] BluesKaj: I don't, I mostly run Radeon [18:04] penguin42, ok [18:04] or maybe my gpu gets too hot with nouveau? [18:05] hm. 63 °C isn't too bad [18:06] but my mouse is really really sluggisw … [18:06] * sluggish right now [18:21] hmmm. 3.16.0-10 with nvidia-304-updates boots with gallium llvmpipe and low resolution :( will try to install nvidia-331-updates and reboot [18:21] suggested package nvidia-...-uvm – should I install it? [18:23] but damn that last boot was fast :] [18:26] meh. still nouveau :( [18:26] do I still need to create an xorg.conf file? [18:27] Xorg.0.log says: Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) [18:27] am I missing something? [18:28] knitt1: I've just updated and upgraded in recovery mode - reinstalled nvidia and am booted with the newest kernel and nvidia [18:28] fixed package ubuntu-drivers-common - version 0.2.98.1 [18:29] elfy: so a system upgrade should fix it for me? [18:29] possibly - I reinstalled the nvidia driver too [18:29] which version exactly? and with CLI or with the software & updates gui? [18:30] version of what? [18:30] nvidia driver [18:30] and I did it in recovery mode [18:30] well I use -331-updates - no idea what you use :) [18:31] I tried several today, none worked :D [18:31] well they'd not have done ;) [18:32] elfy: I don't have any updates to install :( [18:32] dpkg -l ubuntu-drivers-common [18:34] maybe my ubuntu mirror lags behind [18:34] ubuntu-drivers 1:0.2.98 [18:35] knitt1: that's the current one - good [18:35] what nvidia card do you have [18:36] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86GLM [Quadro FX 360M] (rev a1) [18:37] try nvidia-331-updates [18:38] that's what I have installed right now [18:38] ok - and have you apt-get install --reinstall'd it? [18:38] will try to reinstall: apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-331-updates [18:38] I freshly installed it before the last reboot [18:39] do I need the *-uvm package? [18:42] if it's saying it wants it [18:42] ok, output of apt-get looks fine. dkms modules built for both kernel versions [18:42] right [18:42] it's only in the "suggested packages" list [18:42] "… contains unfied memory kernel module". hmm. === hachre_ is now known as hachre [18:43] not installed here [18:43] hm. switched mirrors to main server, and now I have an update for ubuntu-drivers-common [18:44] let's update and then reinstall nvidia once gain [18:44] * again [18:44] oops - fed you a bum steer there - read the 1 at the beginning at the end [18:45] ii ubuntu-drivers 1:0.2.98.1 <- here [18:45] yup, have updated it now [18:45] my local mirror lags behind [18:45] will use the main server for further dev release testing :] [18:45] I'm in the uk - I use the main server [18:48] will try reboot in a few minutes [18:58] elfy: I must be doing something wrong. my Xorg.0.log still contains the line "Failed to load module "nvidia{" (module does not exist)" [19:00] mmm - not sure then [19:00] will try older kernel once again [19:00] also installing the -uvm package, maybe that helps [19:01] I'd just let it install what it wants to - I don't know what *buntu you're using either [19:01] ubuntu gnome 14.10 fresh install from beta 1 live cd [19:01] + updates [19:02] http://pastebin.com/bH4vHmF5 [19:02] that's what versions I've got nvidia working with [19:04] http://pastebin.com/wejbPXwx mine looks identical [19:04] yep [19:07] knitt1: really no idea what's going on, if you've done the same as me, updated/reinstalled it [19:07] sorry [19:07] no problem. thanks for your help :) [19:55] elfy: are you using upstart or systemd? [19:55] upstart at the moment [19:56] if you're using systemd - I have during this cycle had issues with upgrades to nvidia when using that - had to boot upstart to complete the job iirc [19:56] ok. just booted with the -10 kernel again, still nouveau :( [19:56] I'm on upstart too [19:57] Xorg.0.log still says "module does not exist". weird [19:57] yea [19:57] did you purge nvidia at anytime? [19:59] perhaps - purge nvidia and autoremove the ones left [19:59] not that I remember [19:59] then boot the -11 kernel and then reinstall nvidia [19:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1363675 same error in log, reported 1 day ago [19:59] Launchpad bug 1363675 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)" [Critical,Fix released] [20:00] I might well have purged nvidia amongst all the things I did over the weekend [20:00] but I have that update already [20:00] ok, I will do an apt-get purge nvidia-* [20:01] and then after my next forced reboot I will reinstall 331-updates [20:01] or maybe I'll try another version [20:02] knitt1: afaik it's -331, -current (which is -304 I believe) and -34something with xorg-edgers ppa [20:03] I also have -173, -310 and -319 in my apt-get autocompletion list [20:04] 173 is legacy, not sure about the other 2 [20:06] maybe I have more luck with the legacy drivers [20:06] after all my laptop is 6 years old [20:07] perhaps - but the driver list lists yours :) [20:08] I don't think you're the only one that's still having issues - someone on forum is still not booting properly [20:09] at least I'm booting :) [20:09] constantly :D [20:10] knitt1, so is my desktop 6 yrs old , it seems the nvidia kernel module is being prevented from usage even tho it appears to be installed with 'glxinfo | grep openGL' , but 'lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D' shows the nouveau driver as in use] [20:11] from xorg log I assume that the kernel module is either missing or cannot be found [20:12] I have purged all nvidia* now [20:12] BluesKaj: Has nvidia dropped support for your 6 year old card? [20:12] knitt1, that shouldn't be necessary [20:13] I'll wait for a few more days [20:13] thecard isn;t 6 yrs old , but the pc is [20:13] BluesKaj: possibly not - but I was just going through what I'd done to get it working here :) [20:14] think the nvidia kernel module is disabled [20:15] anyway - I'[ve gtg now - good luck knitt1 - I'll leave you to have fun :) [20:48] so I'm on 14.10 and I did a partial distribution upgrade and lightdm won't start and I have to run startx manually. It's complaining about a missing unit file http://dpaste.com/2AE8NBX could someone help? [20:49] why did you do a partial dist upgrade? [20:49] penguin42, it asked me [20:49] the automatic update thing I mean [20:51] looks like some systemd stuff; my 14.10 upgrade box (that was upgraded very early) doesn't seem to be using systemd yet [20:52] penguin42, could you please check if you have a directory /etc/systemd/user and if anything's in it? [20:52] I have it, but there's nothing in it [20:52] I've never heard of a "partial dist upgrade" Is that something that really exists? [20:53] ... or what is it ....? [20:54] penguin42, ok [20:54] Zer000: there seem to be a couple of bugs about that error message but they both seem to suggest it's a harmless error [20:54] (note I'm running kubuntu not ubuntu, but it does have the systemd-logind stuff) [20:59] usr13, well you know how the GUI prompts you to update packages? Once in a while it asks if I want to do a partial dist upgrade or "continue". This happened before and it just upgraded lots of packages (btw I was still on 14.10 it wasn't an actual upgrade). So I ran it again today and it just broke some stuff :( [21:00] Zer000: What happens if you do an apt-get dist-upgrade ? [21:00] Zer000: I wonder if it's some packages being held back for some reason [21:00] but that shouldn't break anything [21:01] penguin42, nothing. everything's up to date. [21:02] Zer000: I'd have a dig about in /var/log/lightdm [21:03] Hello is this a place to contact Ubuntu team at to discuss features that 1 is working on and such? [21:04] darkangel: Why don't you just ask a question and see if you get a response. [21:18] penguin42, so lightdm was just crashing (segfaulting?) so I replaced it with xdm. It's fugly but it works! [21:37] Zer000: Oh that shouldn't happen! === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash === Pici` is now known as Pici === CardinalFang is now known as qengho