[05:20] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[06:03] <Kilos> hi captine  charl  Squirm  nuvolari  inetpro  and others
[06:04] <Squirm> morning
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:01] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[07:01] <Kilos> and Spekko  
[07:01] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[07:04] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:04] <superfly> and bduk1, Squirm and ThatGraemeGuy
[07:08] <Kilos> interest bit of news
[07:08] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/108914-south-africas-best-kept-broadband-secret.html
[07:10] <nuvolari> o/ 
[07:10]  * nuvolari val uit die bed uit
[07:10] <Kilos> lol
[07:10] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos, Squirm, ThatGraemeGuy, Spekko, superfly 
[07:21] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:27] <Spekko> More Kilos & nuvolari
[07:30]  * Squirm looks around
[07:30] <Squirm> anyone know if a decent VPS I could use/rent? Looking to host a mail server
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> haven't used them, but https://www.cloudafrica.net/pricing looks decent
[07:41] <nuvolari> blackberry is a huge pain hrr!
[07:41] <nuvolari> been trying for 2 days now to get the internet working
[07:42] <nuvolari> I've configured the APN and I can resolve names and ping using the tools, but do you think the browser wants to 'see' the internet?
[07:44] <Kilos> hehe
[07:44] <Kilos> hi SilverCode  
[07:44] <SilverCode> morning Kilos 
[07:54] <Vince-0> !
[08:10] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  hoe gaanit
[08:17] <charl> morning Vince-0, SilverCode, Kilos, nuvolari, Squirm, ThatGraemeGuy, superfly, bduk1 
[08:17] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:17]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey charl 
[08:18] <Kilos> hi charl  
[08:18] <Kilos> ohi bduk1  
[08:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:24] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:24] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[08:26] <charl> Kilos: that's an interesting article, laser-based wireless is not a new idea (first time i heard of it was more than 10 years ago) but first time i hear about it actually being put to use
[08:26] <charl> i think it's a nice idea for companies who have offices across the road, for example
[08:26] <Kilos> yeah
[08:27] <charl> the only major problem of course is that, say a bird or anything would fly in between, it would disrupt the signal
[08:27] <Kilos> luckily birds dont fly slowly so its like only one dropped package
[08:27] <charl> yeah exactly
[08:28] <charl> i don't think it would be a huge problem in practise
[08:28] <charl> although even an insect could disrupt it i think
[08:28] <Kilos> ?
[08:28] <charl> but let's say you would have two separate links some space apart, say on two opposite edges of the building
[08:28] <charl> i think that would work really well
[08:29] <charl> i really like that it uses visible light as the spectrum, no licenses necessary and very high bitrate
[08:29] <Kilos> line of site between them is the important thing i think
[08:29] <charl> yeah that would be a given, otherwise you have to set up long poles
[08:30] <Kilos> lol
[08:30] <charl> visible light afaik is very high frequency compared to microwave
[08:30] <Kilos> very fast though hey
[08:30] <charl> anythong > 1gbps is essentially fibre optic speeds
[08:30] <charl> also visible light but then channeled through a glass or plastic fibre
[08:30] <Kilos> they even higher extreme high frequency
[08:31] <charl> well you can't go higher than visible light without causing a serious health risk
[08:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> biggest downside for those things down here is that they don't cope with fog
[08:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> and of course 2km isn't terribly great range for something like WUG used
[08:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh, "use"
[08:44] <Squirm> thanks ThatGraemeGuy, looks decent
[08:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> keen to hear your experiences if you try it
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> got one from webafrica a while ago, but performance was pretty hideous, especially as far as disk i/o is concerned
[09:07] <Kilos> hi Golynx-  
[09:07] <Golynx-> Hi kilos
[09:08] <charl> hi Golynx- 
[09:09] <Golynx-> Hey charl
[09:09] <charl> :)
[09:10] <Golynx-> I thought i was gona die
[09:10] <Golynx-> I just got a lung infection
[09:13] <Golynx-> Oh sorry this not a medical channel
[09:13] <Kilos> ouch
[09:22] <charl> what ?!
[12:33] <Kilos> ai! again
[12:35] <charl> freenode constantly under ddos now
[12:37] <Kilos> looks like it
[12:38] <charl> i wish they would release some more information - it would be extremely interesting to know what type of ddos they are receiving
[12:38] <bushtech> pardon my ignorance but how do you guys see that?
[12:39] <Kilos> normally freenode sends out a message explaining why they have network probs
[12:40] <charl> bushtech: large amounts of users being connected due to ping timeouts or repeated netsplits from various servers in a short space of time
[12:40] <Kilos> i think somewhere in you settings you can activate those messages
[12:41] <charl> bushtech: indicative of connectivity problems which in this day and age usually relates to ddos
[12:41] <charl> they don't always send out global notices anymore
[12:41] <charl> there are too many ddos'es now, people just attempt to weather the attack
[12:41] <charl> there is very little you can do about a modern ddos as an average server administrator
[12:42] <bushtech> Ah, thanks.
[12:42] <charl> it's an inherent vulnerability in the structure of the internet and needs to be solved on a backbone level
[12:42] <charl> if bgp was intelligent (which it is not) it should be able to mitigate these types of attacks
[12:43] <charl> but it gets tricky because ddoses are getting very tricky and advanced, difficult to block effectively without blocking legitimate traffic
[12:43] <bushtech> and in the (hopefully) unlikelely event of getting hit at home what can you do short of pulling the plug?
[12:44] <charl> for the price of a few euro you can get a ddos launched at any particular ip address via paypal via these so-called booters
[12:44] <charl> *if* they can find your home IP there is nothing you can do other than pull the plug or maybe call your isp
[12:44] <bushtech> phew!
[12:44] <charl> but usually ddos attacks are aimed at servers
[12:45] <charl> bushtech: http://top10booters.com/
[12:46] <bushtech> amazing!
[12:46] <charl> i have never been hit at home (that i know of) but at work we have regular ddos attacks
[12:48] <bushtech> and you work in a normal business and not some top secret military installation?
[12:48] <charl> our biggest ddos was 40gbps which is our actual internet capacity...
[12:48] <charl> no at a university
[12:49] <charl> afaik they are usually aimed at game servers, somebody loses at a game and ddoses the game server
[12:49] <charl> little sissy boys
[12:50] <charl> a case of "go home and cry to your mama"
[12:50] <bushtech> Ah! disgruntled student?
[12:50] <charl> no probably external parties that just randomly hit us
[12:50] <charl> we run an irc server too
[12:51] <charl> well, one of the student organisations run an irc server
[12:51] <charl> s/run/runs/
[17:46] <inetpro> good evening
[17:50] <charl> hi inetpro 
[17:50] <charl> the ddos is strong today
[17:50] <charl> how are you inetpro, still mining ?
[17:50] <inetpro> hmm... looks pretty normal to me
[17:51] <charl> there are about 4 sites i use that are now under ddos for the last 4 days
[17:51] <charl> 3 days i mean
[17:52] <charl> one of my friends is also being ddosed right now
[18:37] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:38] <Kilos> power went for a rest
[18:48] <charl> wb Kilos 
[18:48] <Kilos> ty charl  
[18:49] <Kilos> what did i miss
[18:49] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[18:49] <Kilos> wakey wakey
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
[18:50] <Kilos> haha
[18:50] <Kilos> hi that
[21:50] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight