=== lderan_ is now known as lderan [01:22] Unit193: uploaded [01:53] knome: updated strings uploaded, should be available in the morning [01:53] tomorrow I will release/upload mugshot, upload menulibre with new strings [01:53] ochosi: xubuntu-default-settings with better dpms and lock-on-suspend uploaded [02:05] xfce4-power-manager-daily: Unit 193 xfpm-pkging * 8 / debian/changelog debian/control debian/rules: Merge in 1.3.2-0ubuntu2, enable lxpanel plugin. === ochosi_ is now known as ochosi [06:24] bluesabre: nice, we should do the xfwm4 workspace dragging setting too at some point (or at least: not forget about it) [06:52] good morning [07:33] * elfy really hopes there's a kernel or nvidia or whatever they've broken fix today === jhenke_ is now known as jhenke [08:24] ali1234: any idea what's going on here? bug 1310788 [08:24] bug 1310788 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar exists with segfault when accessing the context menu a second time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310788 [08:24] unity_gtk_menu_shell_get_items assertion [08:25] unity? [08:56] brainwash: that's either unrelated or it is something to do with dbusmenu [09:01] ali1234: unity-gtk-module-common? [09:03] maybe it's easy to reproduce if the unity stuff is installed [09:07] "Disable unity-gtk-module on non-Unity desktops. Fixes: 1307657" [09:08] the reporter uses Unity as dekstop [09:08] desktop [09:10] ali1234: "UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 thunar" should disable the module, right? [09:17] should do [09:18] i doubt that's what it is though [09:18] try to get a backtrace [11:20] ochosi: d'oh, I knew I forgot something [11:27] brainwash: actually that won't work because of thunar daemon mode [11:28] you need to kill the daemon first [11:28] otherwise if you run it it will just signal the daemon to open a new window and then exit [11:29] ochosi: pushed the change, sitting in bzr until we decide to do another release [11:32] ali1234: maybe, in case he is running the Xfce session [11:33] otherwise there shouldn't be a thunar daemon running the background, or? [11:33] the first copy you run starts up in daemon mode i think [11:33] not really sure about that [11:34] daemon mode might also be broken by the gtk_init thing [11:34] this crash is really unique though [11:34] we would have hundreds of reports if it was reproducable that easily [11:35] let me check e.u.c [11:36] what's the latest version? [11:36] e u c? [11:36] errors.ubuntu.com [11:36] oh [11:36] https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2014.04&package=thunar&period=day [11:37] I guess that there should be a crash file in /var/crash [11:37] yeah you could try apport-collect [11:38] seems we're still getting that memory corruption crash, but maybe people aren't updating gtk [11:39] ouch [11:39] there was no actual new release of thunar [11:39] perhaps some people using the live mode [11:40] so if people don't update, they'll still get the crash [11:40] live mode of 14.04, not 14.04.1 [11:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1147349 [11:40] Launchpad bug 1147349 in thunar (Ubuntu) "thunar crashed with SIGSEGV in thunar_file_is_directory()" [Medium,Confirmed] [11:40] this one is really common :( [11:42] i don't see anything that looks like it involves context menus in the top bugs [11:42] so this is either memory corruption or some really weird corner case [11:43] ah, found something involving unity [11:43] mmh, you have to request access to be able to see the error reports [11:43] yeah [11:43] i asked, they gave it to me :) [11:43] only thunar? [11:43] no, everything :) [11:44] it doesn't have that kind of access control anyway [11:44] by filing a single form? [11:44] yes [11:44] "What software project are you requesting access for?" [11:44] what was your answer? [11:44] :D [11:44] i said i was an upstream Xfce developer [11:45] ah [11:45] well, I'm not :/ [11:45] I keep meaning to do that - but I also appear to have logged into it [11:45] for you, say you're a part of the Xubuntu Team bug squad [11:45] if you're in bugsquad then you should put that. and if you;re not in bugsquad you should be [11:45] brainwash, get the bugsquad membership.. [11:46] bug-control [11:46] yea that [11:46] yeye [11:46] now back to thunar and segfaulting [11:47] ali1234: "ah, found something involving unity" [11:47] what did you find? [11:47] well basically a crash report from thunar that ends up inside unity_gtk_menu_shell_get_visible_indices [11:48] ...somehow [11:48] but this should not affect context menus [11:48] it might be a case of "user tried to add indicator-appmenu to the panel" (which is known to not work [11:48] but yeah... that shouldn't touch context menus at all, so i dunno [11:49] very strange [11:51] unity_gtk_menu_shell_get_items: assertion 'shell->menu_shell != NULL' failed [11:51] is your bug [11:51] and the thing i found gets into unity_gtk_menu_shell_get_visible_indices with items = NULL and then crashes [11:52] so it's the same bug 99%... [11:52] Error: Launchpad bug 99 could not be found [11:52] so look slike the assertion fails, then it carries on anyway, then crashes [11:53] is the report you are talking about hidden? [11:53] there is no bug report attached to it [11:53] i'll looking on the data on e.u.c which has a backtrace [11:54] https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/61622b42dc47a39ce14e7f1764b25b3df5c0cc63 - but you can't see it [11:54] getting reported about twice per day [11:56] a lot of the reports are from the same people [11:57] are these reports uploaded automatically or manually by the user? [11:57] automatically [11:57] it's where the report goes when you see "Ubuntu crashed, do you want to send a report?" [12:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1363975 [12:00] Launchpad bug 1363975 in thunar (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/thunar:11:unity_gtk_menu_shell_get_visible_indices:unity_gtk_menu_shell_get_separator_indices:unity_gtk_menu_shell_get_sections:unity_gtk_menu_shell_get_n_items:g_menu_exporter_menu_prepare" [Undecided,New] [12:00] so there's a button you click on e.u.c and it makes a bug on launchpad [12:02] so that's what i just did. i'm sure that's the same issue [12:05] awesome [12:06] wait what [12:06] this bug report is not that helpful [12:06] it's more like a link to the actual error page (restricted) [12:08] yes i know [12:08] i didn't know what the button would do before i clicked it [12:09] i thought it would let me link an existing bug tbh [12:09] ah ok :D [12:09] aaaaaah [12:10] errors.ubuntu.com seems to be very handy [12:10] #15 0x00007f3f7c90a7c8 in thunar_standard_view_context_menu (standard_view=standard_view@entry=0x7f3f7de10200, button=button@entry=0, timestamp=10563804) at thunar-standard-view.c:4159 [12:10] appears earlier in this trace [12:10] this is 100% the same bug :) [12:11] but still no clue what unity's gtk module is doing here, or? [12:11] well, it's doing what unity does \o/ [12:12] let me check this stack trace has no identifiable information [12:12] then i will pastebin it [12:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8205738/ [12:17] somehow thunar is passing a corrupt menu into "unity menu shell" whatever that is [12:18] oooooh [12:18] it might be HUD [12:18] you know unity hud right? [12:18] this person might be running thunar in unity and trying to use the hud [12:20] hud? the dash? [12:21] I'm not that familiar with the unity environment [12:21] hud = the quick menu search and running part of unity [12:21] (the best part) [12:21] isn't that the "dash"? [12:22] no the dash searches applications and websites [12:22] the HUD is alike a command line interface for accessing menu items [12:22] hud: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/screen-shot-2012-01-24-at-15.48.24.jpg [12:23] ok [12:24] so it sucks in all the menus of the program so it can search them [12:24] get the unity people involved, so they can fix their stuff? [12:24] it's pulling the thunar context menu for some reason, but then it can't parse it, so it crashes. and because it's a gtk patch, it takes down gtk and thunar with it [12:24] yeah, i'll try to get someone to look at this [12:25] thanks :) [12:25] this is still guessing btw [12:25] i need to do more research i think [12:25] find that code, see what it really does === jjfrv8_ is now known as jjfrv8 [13:28] hi GridCube [13:30] hi elfy === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:59] ochosi, do you have any idea on how to deal with Bug 1363223? is it to be dealt upstream or are we going to work on it? [14:59] bug 1363223 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager outdated on-line help" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1363223 [15:03] slickymasterWork: it'll definitely be dealt with upstream [15:03] but if you have time to help with it, that'd be great [15:05] is there anyone I should poke upstream? [15:05] me :) [15:06] i'm one of the upstream devs [15:06] hi ochosi [15:06] lol, ochosi [15:06] slickymasterWork: i suppose we'd do it the same way as we did with parole [15:06] staging wiki -> docs.xfce [15:06] hey elfy [15:06] ok, I'll have a go with it ochosi [15:07] I can help if needed [15:07] what about the bug in LP? should we close it ? [15:08] yeah, just mention that upstream will take care of it and that it#s not release-critical for xubuntu anyway [15:08] and that ppl are free to join the effort [15:08] ok [15:09] i'll set up a staging site shortly [15:09] elfy: that'd be very welcome! [15:15] elfy, slickymasterWork: here's the staging site: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfce4-power-manager-docs [15:15] if you don't have access there yet, i think you should be able to register [15:15] and i can give you the needed rights (or if i can't, bluesabre can) [15:15] ochosi: you're an admin [15:15] or should be [15:15] ;) [15:15] oh wow, hey bluesabre [15:15] you're around at this odd time of the day? [15:15] bluesabre gave them during the t cycle ochosi [15:16] US holiday [15:16] sweet [15:16] at least I seem to remember thata [15:16] elfy, slickymasterWork: you need xfpm 1.3.2 to be able to work on the docs [15:16] or ideally xfpm daily [15:16] from our staging PPA [15:16] ok [15:19] bluesabre: btw, did you add the catfish search command to whisker in 14.10 yet? [15:19] ochosi: not yet [15:19] I'll add that to x-d-s [15:19] nice, thanks [15:19] keep thinking of more things for me to fix with that today ;) [15:19] that'll be quite an awesome feature [15:19] well you could add the additional super+space shortcut for whisker [15:20] :) [15:22] * elfy needs access it seems [15:23] elfy: have you registered already? [15:23] when you have, ping me [15:23] ochosi: no idea - I thought I did - but have no idea what username was [15:23] and i'll give you write-access [15:23] hm, i don't see you in the userlist [15:24] no obvious way to register [15:24] there's just a login button [15:24] indeed [15:24] i'll add auser for you [15:25] I've got 1.3.2 in utopic it seems [15:26] bluesabre: hmpf, if i wanna add a user in your dokuwiki i simply get a "user addition failed" :/ [15:26] ochosi: I'll take a look... I recently ported from apache to nginx, still fixing issues as I find them [15:27] ah ok [15:27] never let it be said that I didn't at least offer to help - even if I couldn't :) [15:27] add elfy while you're at it please ;) [15:27] hehe, nice one elfy [15:27] ochosi: you any idea when you're setting the meeting for? [15:28] yeah, in fact i had already decided [15:28] but obviously forgot to announce [15:28] ochosi: worked for me, elfy, account added [15:28] tue next week [15:28] so it's shortly before UIF [15:29] so we can review whether anything is missing and get that in [15:29] ochosi: mmk [15:30] well if it's during bst daytime I'll be elsewhere [15:30] elfy, ochosi, slickymasterWork, if you give me a few minutes, I need to tweak a few things on my wiki [15:30] and upgrade the release it seems [15:30] bluesabre: hm, what about you next tue for meeting time? [15:30] same can be said for any day other than Friday's [15:30] let me know if/when I'm safe to do so [15:31] from my pov you can go anytime [15:31] i'm not working on anything there now [15:31] and I'm not logged in :p [15:31] ochosi: same as always, can't make it when the rest of the team can :) [15:31] but I can add updates on the wiki or on this channel prior [15:32] bluesabre: don't include me - I'm never going to be about during the times people keep setting the meeting :) [15:33] I'll start upgrading my wiki in 5 minutes, just in case [15:38] slickymasterWork: starting the upgrade, should be just a few minutes [15:41] ok bluesabre, thanks [15:44] bbl [15:49] elfy, ochosi, slickymasterWork: release updated, security notices removed, should be ready to go [15:50] ok bluesabre [15:52] slickymasterWork, theres is a problem with the translation tho, i've asked people to translate for a long time and we started doing it, but all the translation we do remain as suggestions and it keeps saying that its not translated, they been "suggestions" for more than 8 months now [15:52] im talking about the spanish translations [15:53] Nobody expects a spanish translation. [15:53] * astraljava gets his coat [15:53] >;) [15:54] astraljava: if you only appear to say that, I applaud you. [15:54] :D [15:56] GridCube: exactly how were those strings translated? In reviewer or translator mode? [15:57] slickymasterWork, people logged their launchpad account and translated [15:57] GridCube: If you're making translations for a project that uses a Structured or Restricted permissions policy and you're a member of the appropriate translation team you can work in one of two modes: [15:57] Reviewer: This is the default working mode. All changes you make are approved automatically. If you want to make a suggestion, rather than a new translation, you need to manually select the Someone should to review this translation check-box. [15:58] Translator: When entering new translations, they're treated as suggestions that someone else needs to review. You can make a direct translation by deselecting the Someone should to review this translation check-box. How this affects team workflows [15:58] GridCube: FWIW -> https://help.launchpad.net/Translations [15:58] still [15:59] then, all the work we did is useless? [15:59] people stop caring when they logged and saw none of what they did changed the status of the translation [16:01] no, it's there, maybe you could poke someone on your LoCo Translator team so they can review/approved what is already translated [16:01] i tried that and no one answered, i asked to be accepted as a translator but 6 month later it was rejected [16:02] you mean on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-es? [16:02] that's more or less why I stopped trying with docs GridCube - same thing [16:03] yes slickymasterWork [16:04] team owner, Paco Molinero, seems to already review a few translated strings, namely a few translated by you GridCube [16:04] >The status of your membership in the team Ubuntu Spanish Translators [16:04] (ubuntu-l10n-es) was changed by Paco Molinero (franciscomol) from [16:04] Proposed to Declined. [16:05] well i don't know then, why are so many there that say "proposed by gridcube" and keeps giving me them to translate? [16:05] perhaps you could poke him directly about it. He does has a email address on his LP page https://launchpad.net/~franciscomol [16:05] i can try again [16:05] s(has/have [16:06] maybe this time he will answer [16:06] thanks for that GridCube [16:07] let's hope so [16:08] :) [16:08] i will send them a message using the "contact the admins" form from lp [16:09] yeaps [16:10] bluesabre: I'll try to get around more often. ;) [16:10] astraljava: np, I just thought it was a great comment :D [16:11] (though I might be easily amused) [16:12] Well, glad you liked it. Thought it was fitting. [16:12] are there any ML admin available? [16:13] elfy: iirc you're admin in the ML, right? [16:14] nope - not an admin [16:15] can approve stuff etc only [16:15] the call I sent to the ML has been deleted -> Msg Deleted: Probably Spam (http://osdir.com/ml/xubuntu-devel/2014-09/msg00001.html) [16:16] are you able to see what might happened? [16:17] welp, he answered already [16:17] XD [16:17] that was easier than i was expecting [16:17] if not, perhaps knome might [16:17] great GridCube [16:24] never mind elfy, it hasn't [16:41] Unit193: apt-offline made it to 1.4 ( https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/apt-offline ) and I've got a utopic sync via backportpackage sitting in a PPA ( https://launchpad.net/~skellat/+archive/ubuntu/flow1 ) /cc: bluesabre [17:17] woo, commented on it before brainwash got to it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mugshot/+bug/1364079 [17:17] Launchpad bug 1364079 in mugshot (Ubuntu) "User Profile Image is missing "Select from stock" menu option" [Undecided,Invalid] [17:20] he he bluesabre the reporter praised the quality of mugshot online help documentation [17:20] indeed, good job on that ;) [17:23] gotta run guys [17:23] bbl -> [17:50] bluesabre: meh, why not reassign to xubuntu-meta and mark as wishlist? :P === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [18:19] brainwash: just seems like it'd be extra fluff, but I can do that as well [18:20] updated the theme and front page my docs wiki http://wiki.smdavis.us/doku.php?id=start [18:40] So that I have it on record, this one is for you Unit193: http://www.researchut.com/blog/apt-offline-14 [20:15] skellat: That post didn't have much, http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/a/apt-offline/unstable_changelog has more. [20:23] Unit193: Already read both and ran backportpackage to put 1.4 in ppa:skellat/flow1 [20:24] Versions for utopic and trusty [20:24] Mhmm, so I read. [20:24] Do we want to go past what we have or leave 1.4 for the 15.04 cycle? [20:26] it's a bit late for new versions at this point [20:27] knome: True. 1.4 rolls up the fix we have in 1.3.1ubuntu1. [20:27] Meh, we can leave it [20:27] 14.10 is a regular version anyway, so it's not a big issue [20:27] as long as the whole issue is fixed for 16.04, most people are fine [20:27] :/ [20:28] if you have limited connectivity (and need apt-offline), you probably don't want to upgrade every six months anyway [20:28] :-) [20:28] hey, i'm not saying we shouldn't fix it before... [20:28] knome: Time Warner Cable had a national outage in the past seven days and we just had a major outage overnight regionally for me [20:29] I wish I had another broadband provider I could switch to but the National Broadband Map so they're all I've got for choice [20:29] skellat, well i'm sorry to hear that... but i'm not sure how i can help with that :) [20:30] :-) [20:36] wow, that's still a lot of stuff to translate for the german xubuntu translation... [20:40] it's not going to translate itself, though [20:44] Translating needed ? My german is a bit rusty though :-) [20:45] yup :/ I am at string 127 of 797.... [20:46] SkippersBoss: slickymaster made a call for translations today. German is the only thing I can do ;) If you want to help, here are the languages needing translation: https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs [20:47] dkessel, if you translate about 45 strings per day, you'll finish the translation before the string freeze [20:47] knome: too bad I don't have time every day ;) [20:48] there was another person doing the german translations, maybe you could both handle about 22 strings per day ;) [20:48] haha [20:48] no, seriously [20:48] one night i translated 400 strings to finnish for another project [20:49] knome: All he has to do is make it to 80% [20:49] granted, they were much shorter, but otoh, had to think context more... [20:49] Unit193, sure, but a 80% translated translation is a bit meh [20:49] "wait i need this exact information and it's in english!" [20:49] but yeah, there are sections that can probably wait [20:50] 80% easier to read. [20:50] one of the easiest things to translate is chapter 11 [20:50] too bad the translations don't approve themselves ;) then again... that is probably better =) [20:50] don't even need to check a lot of labels [20:51] dkessel, i guess you should apply to the german translators team [20:52] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-de [20:58] Sorry missed that call due to other activities [21:01] knome: I just applied ;) let's see what they say... [21:01] well that's it for today - good night! [21:07] i thought the idea of email was to be able to read the message when it's fine for you, but maybe i'm mistaken here... [21:13] I ve started on Dutch. WHen is it's due date ? [21:14] September 18th [21:14] Some work to be done then :-) [21:15] Perhaps October 9th, actually: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline [21:20] Unit193, ssh! ;) [21:21] GridCube: So you got a reply back, but you didn't say what the result was? [21:22] he will ask his team to review and approve the proposed [21:26] OK. [22:18] elfy, forestpiskie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1363675 I decided to track down the problem, identified a suspected application, was going to downgrade to test but saw they just released a new version fixing that. :P [22:19] Launchpad bug 1363675 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)" [Critical,Fix released] === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [22:23] (Knew it couldn't actually be the kernel, since downgrading didn't work and neither did liquorix.) [22:25] And, fix works here.