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[22:42] <thomi> hey barry, welcome back :)
[22:42] <barry> thomi: thanks! :)
[22:44] <thomi> barry: so I applied to join the DPMT, I figured it'd help me in my packaging efforts, but I haven't heard anything back. I wonder if I need to do anything else?
[22:44] <barry> thomi: \o/
[22:45] <barry> thomi: you shouldn't need to, but the team admins were probably all at debconf.  if you don't hear anything soon-ish, please re-ping
[22:45] <barry> *them :)
[22:45] <thomi> ahhh
[22:45] <thomi> of course
[22:45]  * barry is not a project admin
[22:45] <thomi> plus the long weekend I guess
[22:45] <thomi> cool
[22:45] <barry> yep, and travel and such.  but yay!
[22:46] <thomi> so, once I'm on the team, if I wanted to (for hypothetical example) bump python-testtools to the new upstream release, would I still use mentors, since I'm not a DD?
[22:46] <thomi> or just push to SVN and ask someone else to ? or?
[22:47] <barry> thomi: the next step for you would be to become a DM.  then you'd be able to upload team packages, or any package for which you maintain directly.  but in the meantime, i think updating the svn and pinging a team member would be the best thing
[22:48] <barry> thomi: one of the decisions at debconf is that the team will eventually move to git.  we're starting some experiments now, but not doing wholesale transitions
[22:48] <thomi> right - I saw the ML conversation...
[22:48] <thomi> I can't say I'm thrilled at using either git or svn, but *shrug*
[22:49] <thomi> oh, and the hypothetical example above? It wasn't so hypothetical - testtools (finally) released 1.0.0 the other day
[22:50] <barry> thomi: yeah.  git is for sure better than svn, and i'm actually hating git less these days.  a handful of aliases does make the difference, and i suspect in a few months i'll have consumed all the cool aid and will publicly shame and deride anyone who says the git cli sucks
[22:50] <thomi> hah
[22:50] <barry> thomi: i can certainly help with uploading testtools if you slap the svn into place
[22:50] <thomi> well, git, through it's terrible CLI design, still causes me to lose work on a regular basis
[22:51] <thomi> a VCS that I have to regularly backup my working folder in order to not lose work is a fail in my opinion
[22:51] <barry> thomi: no question, it's horrendous.  it was funny, linus lives in portland and came for a q/a session.  git did come up, but he claimed its cli wasn't as terrible as it used to be.  and i don't think he was joking. ;)
[22:52] <barry> "dr. it hurts when i do that"  "don't do that"
[22:52] <thomi> yeah
[22:52] <barry> not so easy when you don't know which command will poke you with a pointy stick
[22:52] <barry> sigh.  even salmon get sick of swimming upstream for too long
[22:53] <thomi> yeah