[04:26] Good morning === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [05:25] good morning [06:23] good morning desktopers! [06:25] morning seb128! [06:25] lut didrocks ;! [06:30] bonjour seb128 et didrocks [06:30] hey pitti, how are you? [06:30] quite fine, thanks! [06:30] pitti, salut, ça va bien ? [06:31] we did a fun thing yesterday at Taekwondo training: trampoline jumping! [06:31] i. e. we started with simple jumps, then some kicks in the air, and finally salti [06:31] nice [06:31] I feel my neck and my back today :) [06:32] did you hurt your neck? [06:32] * pitti presses "Send" to his "decade at Canonical" mail, santé ! [06:33] seb128: nah, not hurt, just some sore muscles due to the totally unusual movements and landing on a mat [06:33] pitti, I'm reading it, forgot to send mine (it was on a w.e) [06:33] k [06:33] seb128: you had your's in April already, no? [06:34] pitti, no, june [06:34] official start at least, I was around earlier but still on notice-period before being able to quit my old job [06:44] pitti: congrats ;) [06:57] didrocks: merci ! :) [07:00] pitti: congrats! (and cheers!) === larsu_ is now known as larsu [07:00] * pitti hugs larsu [07:06] pitti, I hope we have another great 10 years working together ;-) [07:06] seb128: so do I! *hug* [07:06] * seb128 hugs pitti [07:12] * larsu hugs pitti as well [07:13] nice mail [08:15] morning folks [08:24] 10 years pitti :D Congratulations [08:26] hey willcooke [08:27] morniing seb128 [08:27] pitti: \o/ congrats! [08:31] good morning willcooke! [08:31] hey larsu [08:54] willcooke, mvo_: \o/ thanks [09:00] pitti, your post link to a warthogs list url which is password protected btw, not sure if that was wanted? [09:01] seb128: I only posted it on my canonical G+ account, visible to canonical only; everyone there should be on warthogs@ and have a password [09:02] pitti, oh, ok, I got confused by the number of people you shared with [09:02] but if that's the canonical group I guess it makes sense ;-) [09:06] seb128: I think it's the canonical g+ account even [09:06] i.e., out own g+ [09:06] *our [09:06] right [09:07] Following on my from G+ post yesterday (https://plus.google.com/108554416426692294217/posts/SQdgmJxzgEJ) I *can not* get Totem to play HD video with HW acceleration. [09:07] That's just FYI [09:07] I'm going to see if I can work it out [09:08] but I might be back, with questions [09:08] ;) [09:08] can you get it to work using gst command lines? [09:08] that's my next port of call [09:08] once I've got these darned reviews finished :) [09:08] willcooke, didrocks is having lunch with the totem's upstream, ask him to get you infos ;-) [09:08] orly! [09:08] amazing! [09:09] I'll be surrounded by 3 RH guys! If I don't come back for our meeting, CALL THE POLICE! :) [09:10] XD [09:10] lol [09:26] seb128: I guess its ok to just upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/8213955/ ? or does this need to go through the jenkins merge parcour? [09:26] mvo_, dunno, I'm not part of the landing team (though you were?) [09:26] check with sil2100 [09:26] but I would say it's ok to upload, as long as you also commit to trunk/rtm/whatever serie is needed [09:27] sil2100: is it ok to land packaging changes like http://paste.ubuntu.com/8213955/ directly in utopic or does this need to go through a formal landing ? [09:27] seb128: thanks, I ask him. I want to make apt-get install ubuntu-sdk:$arch work :) [09:28] eh, ubuntu-sdk-libs I guess [09:28] * mvo_ is jetlaged [09:30] mvo_: Guten Morgen! =) [09:30] hey xnox [09:38] mvo_: can you please push your apt repository =)))) ? [09:39] mvo_: well, it's best to use the train, but you can push directly if only you make sure this release is then synced up in the bzr trunk and tagged with the version you released [09:39] mvo_: ;) [09:39] xnox: yes, its on my list once I got over the multi-arch stuff I am currently doing, sorry for letting you wait so long [09:40] sil2100: thanks, the debian/control file says it will sync automatically so I will just trust that :) [09:41] * mvo_ crosses fingers that the comment matches reality [09:41] Uh? I didn't know we had anything like that! [09:42] sil2100: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-messages/trunk.14.10/view/head:/debian/control#L19 <- hope it is still valid in the new world order [09:45] mvo_, better to commit yourself [09:45] rather than relying on other to clean up behind you [09:45] mvo_: ack. well, just emailing /all/ the patches to the bug report, would help as well. It's alright =) in the mean time I've hacked up proxy-command to do simple check instead of PAC file checks. [09:45] mvo_, that comment basically means "the CI is going to error out for the next person trying to do a landing, because an archive upload is missing from trunk" [09:46] mvo_, which basically means "whoever hit the error is going to need to understand what the error is there and clean up for you" [09:46] mvo_: yeah, so this is a standard message, I wouldn't trust it at all ;) [09:46] seb128: bää, I don't like this - ok, I will prepare proper branches [09:46] mvo_, or just commit your archive upload to trunk [09:47] sil2100, did the CI stop erroring out on missing revisions? [09:47] sil2100: standard message that you don't trust? [09:47] seb128: I'm not sure if I have the required permissions for that [09:47] mvo_, I think coredev has [09:47] not sure to understand you :) [09:47] mvo_: you should, normally, it's all setup so that you have access to what's needed [09:47] and yeah, the idea, if you want to upload yourself is that you just commit back to trunk yourself [09:48] ok, I will see if that works [09:48] or (at least, in my time), I took care that daily-release/CI Train errors out to not overwrite the archives as seb128 told [09:48] after what sil2100 is telling, not sure if that's been removed though [09:48] mvo_: you can tag the release as well in trunk, to help CI Train, but it should be able to get it itself [09:48] (even without the tag) [09:49] if that's not been broken in between (but there was a test for it ;)) [09:49] * didrocks goes out for lunch, bbiab [09:49] didrocks: thanks, so I will just commit to trunk then, enjoy lunch [09:50] thanks! [10:13] didrocks: that's what I meant - that I wouldn't trust anyone auto-syncing the change up for you in trunk [10:25] tsdgeos, hey! What release of Ubuntu are you running? I'm on 14.04. I wonder if something has changed filename wise? [10:25] willcooke: unicorn thingie [10:25] 14.10 [10:25] newer vlc too i think [10:25] VLC media player 2.2.0-pre2 Weatherwax [10:26] i think yours is TwoFlower [10:26] oh wait - what Gfx chipset have you got? [10:26] intel [10:26] well an intel+nvidia hybrid [10:26] but using the intel one [10:26] I wonder why it's using VDPAU then? I thought that was nVidia [10:26] ahhh [10:26] ok [10:26] maybe i need to make it not automatic? [10:27] I /think/ all that auto does is not crap out when it can't find the HW drivers [10:27] yeah [10:27] if i move it from auto to vaapi though drm it works [10:28] hrm [10:28] well, I'm totally out of my depth now [10:28] :) [10:28] ok, i guess it's just a vlc bug with these hybrid kind of cards [10:28] I think we should have some kind of video playback special interest group, 'cos I think this stuff should "just work" [10:29] and it does [10:29] but you have to do a lot of fiddling first [10:29] so I suppose it does work, but not "just works" if you see what I mean [10:29] yeah [10:29] correct [10:29] going to that window is not something i should do, and the thing should be installed by default too [10:29] I might try and arrange a session at a sprint some time, see who is interested [10:30] yeah [10:30] +1 [10:30] meeting, brb [10:39] Laney: do you plan the gobject-introspection multi-arch transition for utopic too? that would be nice as it brings me closer to my "apt-get install ubuntu-sdk-libs:$arch" goal :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:23] larsu: ping [11:24] dednick: hey [11:24] (please don't simply "ping") [11:25] larsu: hey. i'm having some trouble with g_date_time_format in unity8. can't seem to use utf8 chars in unity8, but can in indicator-datetime. was hoping you would know why. [11:26] dednick: not sure I understand. g_date_time_format() always produces a utf8 string [11:26] or do you mean what you pass into it? [11:26] (which should also be valid utf8) [11:26] larsu: g_date_time_format(g_date_time_new_now_local(), "%a %d %b\u2003%H:%M") works in indicator-datetime, but not unity8 [11:26] ooh, interesting [11:26] what's the error? [11:27] doesn't seem to give one, just passes back null [11:27] oh. maybe need to log out warnings or something [11:27] it probably does log something [11:28] larsu: hm. G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all doesn't give anything extra [11:30] dednick: I'll have a look [11:30] oh. shit. that's weird [11:30] works in python with gi.. [11:30] i think it's some env var part of the make script that is causing it [11:30] running test by executable works :/ [11:31] woah [11:31] I can't think of a reason why this would be locale dependent [11:31] larsu: env LC_ALL=C [11:31] ya, I figured [11:32] hm. weird. maybe it uses sprintf or something which doesnt support unicode under LC_ALL=C [11:33] dednick: no, it uses g_locale_from_utf8 [11:33] dednick: I don't have this problem from python [11:34] * larsu checks C [11:35] * xnox use C.UTF-8 ?! [11:44] dednick: does unity8 call setlocale(3)? [11:45] dednick: it ought to do something like setlocale(LC_ALL, "") to make it pick the locale set by env vars [11:45] Saviq: ^ ? [11:46] larsu, we're not doing anything special, no [11:46] larsu: this is in tests. i think we use LC_ALL=C explicitly [11:46] dednick: I don't think anyone picks that up if you don't call setlocale [11:46] but maybe qt is doing it? [11:47] can you try calling it like a pasted above, before the call to g_date_time_format()? [11:47] larsu: will give it a try [11:47] and set the locale to C.UTF-8, like xnox suggested [11:47] because, obviously [11:47] larsu: does that actually exist? can't see it documented anywhere [11:48] larsu, yeah, Qt changes formatting based on LC_ALL env [11:48] Saviq: and glib does based on the C library. You need to call setlocal [11:48] e [11:49] and it's what the indicator does, which is why it works there for dednick [11:49] I guess Qt just looks at the env itself === bregma_ is now known as bregma === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:13] hello, [12:13] I am getting this error: [12:13] (unity-control-center:9088): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.canonical.Unity.Interface' is not installed [12:13] what package must I install? [12:20] dandre, unity-schemas (if you use utopic) [12:22] mvo_: what does "Multi-Arch: same" do exactly? [12:25] seb128: I use 14.04 [12:26] dandre, should be in libunity-core-6.0-9 then [12:27] ok thanks [12:28] I don't use unity and I had an issue with gnome-control-center when clicked on accessibility setting [12:28] I got this error and gnome-control-center crashed [12:29] after installing this package everything seems fine [12:29] k [12:29] bug in g-c-c [12:29] other question: how can I definitivelly disable all accessibilty features? [12:30] it should have stopped using that key, since we use unity-control-center for unity [12:30] yes certainly [12:30] gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility false [12:31] that should do it, I think [12:31] ok will try [12:32] why do you want to desactive it? [12:33] because ramdomly my numeric keypad is mapped to mouse and I must go to accessibity settings to reset it [12:34] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1363314 [12:34] Ubuntu bug 1363314 in ubuntu-clock-app "App fails to launch on up-to-date utopic desktop" [Critical,Confirmed] [12:34] Ubuntu bug 1363314 in Ubuntu Clock App "App fails to launch on up-to-date utopic desktop" [Critical,Confirmed] [12:35] seb128: do you know who handles MM on desktop? [12:35] asac, "mm"? [12:35] multimedia [12:35] gstreamer [12:35] etc. [12:35] nobody [12:35] we sync that from Debian [12:35] some folks say that something got synced from debian [12:35] ok who synched? [12:35] Laney I think [12:35] but he's on holidays for 10 days [12:36] Laney: pleas see the bug above [12:36] asac, that's the 3rd channel that's being discussed, can you read backlogs rather than replay the topic yet another time? [12:36] seb128: who is on it? [12:36] i can if i know that its discussed and where [12:36] i cannot read backlogs of all channels [12:37] asac, nobody, or popey/pmcgowan/etx [12:37] etc [12:37] asac, well, you can't read backlogs and I can't discuss the same topic 5 times with 5 different people who each can't read backlos [12:37] logs [12:37] why dont you just tell me where this discussion happened? [12:37] asac, it was just discussed on -ci-eng and phablet channels [12:37] seb128: and I loose my numeric keypad when I use remote desktop too [12:37] k [12:38] dandre, right, that mouse key [12:39] Is it possible to unistall mousekey feature? [12:41] not sure [12:44] larsu: on the phone right now, I can asnwer in a sec [12:44] willcooke: https://plus.google.com/+DidierRoche/posts/FbieUPhSsdu FYI [12:44] found that: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1262845 [12:44] dandre, you can gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.a11y.keyboard mousekeys-enable false [12:45] didrocks, I like your orange heart :) [12:45] that would make a nice t-shirt :) [12:45] ok [12:45] rickspencer3: heh, thanks, I tried to make the heart ubuntu-ish (and check my inskape poor skills)! :) [12:45] :) [12:46] the original is svg, but for some reasons, g+ wouldn't pick it up, so I exported the png for the blog post [12:48] mhall119: hey, if you have a minute, maybe you can reshare https://plus.google.com/+DidierRoche/posts/FbieUPhSsdu on our developer g+ community and other channels you normally use? ;) === mjohnson151 is now known as mjohnson15 [12:49] ogra_ is still the professional g+ share*r* ;) [12:49] :) [12:52] of course, didrocks couldn't resist listing dart in there ;-) [12:52] seb128: that was my little easter egg :) [12:52] :-) [12:53] hehe I noticed that as well [12:53] didrocks: congrats ;) [12:53] thanks dude :) [12:54] let's see if people will retweet/share… [12:54] * larsu wonders if he should log into google to do so [12:55] all of the 5 people I'm connected with will see it! [12:56] ahah ;) [13:06] ogra_, hey - can you fill me in on this Gst bug? Is there a bug open? [13:07] willcooke, nope, not yet ... i dont know about popeys issue ... i talked to Laney about that landing because it suddenly build-deps on libdrm2 annd friends on armhf ... which makes these for us useless deps end up on the phone images [13:07] willcooke, that was during debconf and Laney said he'd take a look ... i didnt know he'll be off this week tough === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [13:08] willcooke, popey assumes the landing can have to do with the CI jobs failing, but i dont think we have a 100% proof for that [13:08] willcooke, hi [13:08] it just matches the timing === willcooke is now known as willcooke|meetin [13:09] tkamppeter, hey! In a meeting, but can type a bit [13:09] willcooke|meetin, can you make your slides editable for me? Thanks. [13:10] tkamppeter, ah crap, sorry! [13:11] ogra_, popey, asac: it would help if people filed proper bugs, rather than giving partly info through IRC pings to people they think it's appropriate to ping [13:11] willcooke|meetin, ^ [13:11] seb128, true dat [13:12] like Laney got pinged, he's off, nobody else is in the loop and there is not even a proper description of the problem [13:12] if we had a bug the issue would probably be already assigned/tracked [13:15] tkamppeter, done [13:15] seb128: I filed a bug, 3 days ago (weekend and us holiday notwithstanding) and have been asking for people to help with it over the last 48 hours. [13:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/camera-app/+bug/1364258 [13:15] Ubuntu bug 1363314 in ubuntu-clock-app "duplicate for #1364258 App fails to launch on up-to-date utopic desktop" [Critical,Confirmed] [13:15] Ubuntu bug 1363314 in Ubuntu Clock App "duplicate for #1364258 App fails to launch on up-to-date utopic desktop" [Critical,Confirmed] [13:15] Ubuntu bug 1363314 in ubuntu-clock-app "App fails to launch on up-to-date utopic desktop" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1363314 [13:15] Ubuntu bug 1363314 in Ubuntu Clock App "App fails to launch on up-to-date utopic desktop" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1363314 [13:16] grr - still bots++ [13:16] sil2100, can we get the duplicated bot out again? [13:16] popey, ok, just not assigned on the components you guys are blaming [13:16] I'm not blaming anyone. [13:16] popey, well, asac&co are [13:16] I'm _asking_ for help. [13:16] seb128: +1 on that! But I have no control over those :) [13:17] sil2100, oh, I though you said you would get one bot less yesterday, I probably misread ;-) [13:17] * popey has requested its removal [13:17] seb128: no no, I was just joking that I'd like a -1 on the bot count ;) [13:17] fyi #ubuntu-irc is where you request that [13:17] popey: yeah, me and Mirv are also trying to find out all the time what could be the cause of those issues [13:18] popey: and actually who to ping to get it fixed, as it's not obvious right now withou Laney [13:19] didrocks: i think i killed your blog [13:21] popey, dropping-letter runs fine on my utopic desktop env [13:21] * popey tries again [13:22] didrocks, confirmed - your blog is dead! [13:22] seb128: still fails here from trunk on an up to date utopic machine http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215342/ [13:25] popey, does that fail as well, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215350/ [13:26] seb128: hey [13:26] to answer your question from yesterday, 'no sim' after flight mode was a known issue yes [13:26] cyphermox_, "was"? [13:26] cyphermox_, when did it get fixed? [13:26] it may or may not be expected to be fixed [13:26] cyphermox_, hey btw :-) [13:26] I don't know [13:26] k [13:26] who is working on it? [13:26] I know awe and tiago and others talked about it [13:27] seb128: no, that rings [13:27] I mean, alfonso [13:27] Wellark may also know about it [13:27] popey, ok [13:28] ah, so I hear Wellark is on vacation this week? [13:29] cyphermox_, seems so [13:32] :/ [13:33] seb128: is the network indicator something I can help with? [13:33] cyphermox_, I'm not working on it/one of the maintainers, but I guess help there would be welcome yes :-) [13:33] seb128: assuming everything else is in order I may be able to jump on the bugs there [13:33] (especially on the settings side) [13:33] aye [13:33] I'll check [13:34] great [13:34] thanks [13:34] I have to go through a small list of bluetooth bugs first, but I think they're already mostly covered [13:36] if I didn't screw up, that should silent the other bot [13:45] popey, does it work better if you uninstall some of the gstreamer plugin binaries? === willcooke|meetin is now known as willcooke [13:49] didrocks, let me know when it's back and I'll test it [13:50] willcooke: it's up [13:50] * didrocks looks at cloudflare [13:51] :) [13:51] didrocks, lulz - I think it's down again [13:52] pfff, first time I publish something since I switched to a raspberry pi [13:52] wait - its bacjk [13:52] maybe just slow [13:52] yeah, let me see if can connect this cloudflare thing quickly [13:53] didrocks, the initial GET took about 5 seconds [13:53] :D [13:53] waow… [13:53] ok, I start to appreciate my old grilled shuttle K a little bit more === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [13:53] didrocks: sorry, i tweeted from @ubuntu which probably killed it ☻ [13:53] at least, it was able to cope with the traffic [13:54] popey: ahah, that would explain! thanks nevertheless ;) [13:54] didnt realise you were running it on a Z80 [13:54] rohhh [13:54] seb128: hmm, any in particular? [13:55] popey, anything which is not default on desktop? e.g keep base and good and fluendos [13:56] willcooke: popey: load average is 52 [13:57] didrocks, O_o [13:57] 78 [13:57] I guess, it's the mem which is going to explode… [13:58] lolz [13:58] didrocks, you could move it to a static HTML page [13:58] i see two willcooke's [13:58] willcooke: that's exactly what I'm doing :p [13:58] didrocks, :) [13:58] pitti, I seem to hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1358734 every time apport triggers on utopic, is that a known issue/on your list? [13:58] Ubuntu bug 1358734 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-retrace crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in _print_message(): 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe1' in position 615: ordinal not in range(128)" [Medium,Confirmed] [13:58] 106! [14:01] seb128: no, it's not; thanks for pointing out, adding to TODO [14:01] pitti, thanks, let me know if you need debug info [14:01] could be locale specific [14:06] seb128: I'm down to these http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215610/ and it still fails. [14:06] popey, hum, ok :-/ [14:06] popey, I'm going to need to investigate more then, thanks for checking! [14:07] I wonder why it works here (or it's because I'm on i386, going to test on other archs in a bit) [14:07] but first out for some exercice, be back before the meeting [14:13] popey: ok, I guess the maze is back. It's funny to think it's not my connexion limiting this, but my hw. I need to find a backup plan for the next post [14:21] didrocks, cloudflare looks pretty good :) [14:21] willcooke: yeah, I'm signing up as we speak :) [14:22] likewise [14:22] :) [14:22] ahah ;) [14:22] thanks to Jorge! [14:22] seb128: fyi, i can run dropping letters from trunk on my amd64 desktop (nvidia http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215728/) but not on my amd64 laptop (intel http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215610/). [14:23] didrocks: I will take it as a personal challenge to ddos whatever you do to fix it for your next post === desrt|pdx is now known as desrt [14:31] popey: challenge accepted! :) [14:33] seb128: ignore that last test, erroneous === charles_ is now known as charles [15:00] willcooke, you inspired me, I am downloading the desktop-next image right now :) [15:00] rickspencer3, do you have one of those Inspiron laptops? Their really cute. [15:01] willcooke, I do. but I am going to try it on my Lenovo u310 touch [15:01] rickspencer3, there is a kbd input bug right now which stops you logging in to U1, so you can easily install packages [15:01] but we're working on [15:01] or rather, it's on the list [15:04] willcooke, does that mean I can't install click packages until it's fixed? [15:04] wondering about the word "easily" [15:06] rickspencer3, yeah [15:07] rickspencer3, you have to configure your U1 credentials by, for example, using a U7 session [15:07] I haven't bothered [15:07] there are a few packaged as apt so I just installed them [15:07] the dialer for example (albeit a useless example :) ) [15:07] willcooke, does the installer support a dual boot install? [15:08] rickspencer3, 'fraid not [15:08] erm [15:08] well [15:08] having said that [15:08] np [15:08] it might do actually [15:08] but beware the installer bug which wipes your hdd without warning [15:08] logged a bug with slangasek [15:09] willcooke, well, I was planning to wipe and reinstall anyway :) [15:09] just backing everythign up now :) [15:09] yeah, but if you try to install alongside an old install, lulz, no data now [15:14] that reminds me [15:14] I should install Dropbox and get my xchat logs backed up [15:15] OT: can people spam my blog: www.whizzy.org - I got Cloudflare set up and I'm interested to see if its working. [15:15] didrocks, ^^ [15:16] willcooke: sure, I didn't notice any IP from them yet on mine, I guess the DNS change didn't propagate enough still [15:16] just noticed my DNS change has gone throuhg [15:17] willcooke: http://www.whizzy.org/2014/08/recording-screencasts-from-the-unity-8-desktop-preview/#comment-12769 hmmm [15:18] davmor2, what are you seeing? I just see three comments from G+ [15:19] willcooke: spamming in progress btw [15:19] willcooke: click on wordpress [15:20] hrm I see exactly nothing [15:20] must be my firewall filter things [15:20] thingy [15:20] * willcooke tries from 3g [15:21]