[04:26] <pitti> Good morning
[05:25] <didrocks> good morning
[06:23] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[06:25] <didrocks> morning seb128!
[06:25] <seb128> lut didrocks ;!
[06:30] <pitti> bonjour seb128 et didrocks
[06:30] <didrocks> hey pitti, how are you?
[06:30] <pitti> quite fine, thanks!
[06:30] <seb128> pitti, salut, ça va bien ?
[06:31] <pitti> we did a fun thing yesterday at Taekwondo training: trampoline jumping!
[06:31] <pitti> i. e. we started with simple jumps, then some kicks in the air, and finally salti
[06:31] <seb128> nice
[06:31] <pitti> I feel my neck and my back today :)
[06:32] <seb128> did you hurt your neck?
[06:32]  * pitti presses "Send" to his "decade at Canonical" mail, santé !
[06:33] <pitti> seb128: nah, not hurt, just some sore muscles due to the totally unusual movements and landing on a mat
[06:33] <seb128> pitti, I'm reading it, forgot to send mine (it was on a w.e)
[06:33] <seb128> k
[06:33] <pitti> seb128: you had your's in April already, no?
[06:34] <seb128> pitti, no, june
[06:34] <seb128> official start at least, I was around earlier but still on notice-period before being able to quit my old job
[06:44] <didrocks> pitti: congrats ;)
[06:57] <pitti> didrocks: merci ! :)
[07:00] <larsu_> pitti: congrats! (and cheers!)
[07:00]  * pitti hugs larsu
[07:06] <seb128> pitti, I hope we have another great 10 years working together ;-)
[07:06] <pitti> seb128: so do I! *hug*
[07:06]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[07:12]  * larsu hugs pitti as well
[07:13] <larsu> nice mail
[08:15] <willcooke> morning folks
[08:24] <willcooke> 10 years pitti :D  Congratulations
[08:26] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:27] <willcooke> morniing seb128
[08:27] <mvo_> pitti: \o/ congrats!
[08:31] <larsu> good morning willcooke!
[08:31] <willcooke> hey larsu
[08:54] <pitti> willcooke, mvo_: \o/ thanks
[09:00] <seb128> pitti, your post link to a warthogs list url which is password protected btw, not sure if that was wanted?
[09:01] <pitti> seb128: I only posted it on my canonical G+ account, visible to canonical only; everyone there should be on warthogs@ and have a password
[09:02] <seb128> pitti, oh, ok, I got confused by the number of people you shared with
[09:02] <seb128> but if that's the canonical group I guess it makes sense ;-)
[09:06] <larsu> seb128: I think it's the canonical g+ account even
[09:06] <larsu> i.e., out own g+
[09:06] <larsu> *our
[09:06] <seb128> right
[09:07] <willcooke> Following on my from G+ post yesterday (https://plus.google.com/108554416426692294217/posts/SQdgmJxzgEJ)  I *can not* get Totem to play HD video with HW acceleration.
[09:07] <willcooke> That's just FYI
[09:07] <willcooke> I'm going to see if I can work it out
[09:08] <willcooke> but I might be back, with questions
[09:08] <willcooke> ;)
[09:08] <seb128> can you get it to work using gst command lines?
[09:08] <willcooke> that's my next port of call
[09:08] <willcooke> once I've got these darned reviews finished :)
[09:08] <seb128> willcooke, didrocks is having lunch with the totem's upstream, ask him to get you infos ;-)
[09:08] <willcooke> orly!
[09:08] <willcooke> amazing!
[09:09] <didrocks> I'll be surrounded by 3 RH guys! If I don't come back for our meeting, CALL THE POLICE! :)
[09:10] <willcooke> XD
[09:10] <larsu> lol
[09:26] <mvo_> seb128: I guess its ok to just upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/8213955/ ? or does this need to go through the jenkins merge parcour?
[09:26] <seb128> mvo_, dunno, I'm not part of the landing team (though you were?)
[09:26] <seb128> check with sil2100
[09:26] <seb128> but I would say it's ok to upload, as long as you also commit to trunk/rtm/whatever serie is needed
[09:27] <mvo_> sil2100: is it ok to land packaging changes like http://paste.ubuntu.com/8213955/ directly in utopic or does this need to go through a formal landing ?
[09:27] <mvo_> seb128: thanks, I ask him. I want to make apt-get install ubuntu-sdk:$arch work :)
[09:28] <mvo_> eh, ubuntu-sdk-libs I guess
[09:28]  * mvo_ is jetlaged
[09:30] <xnox> mvo_: Guten Morgen! =)
[09:30] <mvo_> hey xnox
[09:38] <xnox> mvo_: can you please push your apt repository =)))) ?
[09:39] <sil2100> mvo_: well, it's best to use the train, but you can push directly if only you make sure this release is then synced up in the bzr trunk and tagged with the version you released
[09:39] <sil2100> mvo_: ;)
[09:39] <mvo_> xnox: yes, its on my list once I got over the multi-arch stuff I am currently doing, sorry for letting you wait so long
[09:40] <mvo_> sil2100: thanks, the debian/control file says it will sync automatically so I will just trust that :)
[09:41]  * mvo_ crosses fingers that the comment matches reality
[09:41] <sil2100> Uh? I didn't know we had anything like that!
[09:42] <mvo_> sil2100: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-messages/trunk.14.10/view/head:/debian/control#L19 <- hope it is still valid in the new world order
[09:45] <seb128> mvo_, better to commit yourself
[09:45] <seb128> rather than relying on other to clean up behind you
[09:45] <xnox> mvo_: ack. well, just emailing /all/ the patches to the bug report, would help as well. It's alright =) in the mean time I've hacked up proxy-command to do simple check instead of PAC file checks.
[09:45] <seb128> mvo_, that comment basically means "the CI is going to error out for the next person trying to do a landing, because an archive upload is missing from trunk"
[09:46] <seb128> mvo_, which basically means "whoever hit the error is going to need to understand what the error is there and clean up for you"
[09:46] <sil2100> mvo_: yeah, so this is a standard message, I wouldn't trust it at all ;)
[09:46] <mvo_> seb128: bää, I don't like this - ok, I will prepare proper branches
[09:46] <seb128> mvo_, or just commit your archive upload to trunk
[09:47] <seb128> sil2100, did the CI stop erroring out on missing revisions?
[09:47] <didrocks> sil2100: standard message that you don't trust?
[09:47] <mvo_> seb128: I'm not sure if I have the required permissions for that
[09:47] <seb128> mvo_, I think coredev has
[09:47] <didrocks> not sure to understand you :)
[09:47] <didrocks> mvo_: you should, normally, it's all setup so that you have access to what's needed
[09:47] <didrocks> and yeah, the idea, if you want to upload yourself is that you just commit back to trunk yourself
[09:48] <mvo_> ok, I will see if that works
[09:48] <didrocks> or (at least, in my time), I took care that daily-release/CI Train errors out to not overwrite the archives as seb128 told
[09:48] <didrocks> after what sil2100 is telling, not sure if that's been removed though
[09:48] <didrocks> mvo_: you can tag the release as well in trunk, to help CI Train, but it should be able to get it itself
[09:48] <didrocks> (even without the tag)
[09:49] <didrocks> if that's not been broken in between (but there was a test for it ;))
[09:49]  * didrocks goes out for lunch, bbiab
[09:49] <mvo_> didrocks: thanks, so I will just commit to trunk then, enjoy lunch
[09:50] <didrocks> thanks!
[10:13] <sil2100> didrocks: that's what I meant - that I wouldn't trust anyone auto-syncing the change up for you in trunk
[10:25] <willcooke> tsdgeos, hey!  What release of Ubuntu are you running?  I'm on 14.04.  I wonder if something has changed filename wise?
[10:25] <tsdgeos> willcooke: unicorn thingie
[10:25] <tsdgeos> 14.10
[10:25] <tsdgeos> newer vlc too i think
[10:25] <tsdgeos> VLC media player 2.2.0-pre2 Weatherwax
[10:26] <tsdgeos> i think yours is TwoFlower
[10:26] <willcooke> oh wait - what Gfx chipset have you got?
[10:26] <tsdgeos> intel
[10:26] <tsdgeos> well an intel+nvidia hybrid
[10:26] <tsdgeos> but using the intel one
[10:26] <willcooke> I wonder why it's using VDPAU then?  I thought that was nVidia
[10:26] <willcooke> ahhh
[10:26] <willcooke> ok
[10:26] <tsdgeos> maybe i need to make it not automatic?
[10:27] <willcooke> I /think/ all that auto does is not crap out when it can't find the HW drivers
[10:27] <tsdgeos> yeah
[10:27] <tsdgeos> if i move it from auto to vaapi though drm it works
[10:28] <willcooke> hrm
[10:28] <willcooke> well, I'm totally out of my depth now
[10:28] <willcooke> :)
[10:28] <tsdgeos> ok, i guess it's just a vlc bug with these hybrid kind of cards
[10:28] <willcooke> I think we should have some kind of video playback special interest group, 'cos I think this stuff should "just work"
[10:29] <willcooke> and it does
[10:29] <willcooke> but you have to do a lot of fiddling first
[10:29] <willcooke> so I suppose it does work, but not "just works" if you see what I mean
[10:29] <tsdgeos> yeah
[10:29] <tsdgeos> correct
[10:29] <tsdgeos> going to that window is not something i should do, and the thing should be installed by default too
[10:29] <willcooke> I might try and arrange a session at a sprint some time, see who is interested
[10:30] <willcooke> yeah
[10:30] <willcooke> +1
[10:30] <willcooke> meeting, brb
[10:39] <mvo_> Laney: do you plan the gobject-introspection multi-arch transition for utopic too? that would be nice as it brings me closer to my "apt-get install ubuntu-sdk-libs:$arch" goal :)
[11:23] <dednick> larsu: ping
[11:24] <larsu> dednick: hey
[11:24] <larsu> (please don't simply "ping")
[11:25] <dednick> larsu: hey. i'm having some trouble with g_date_time_format in unity8. can't seem to use utf8 chars in unity8, but can in indicator-datetime. was hoping you would know why.
[11:26] <larsu> dednick: not sure I understand. g_date_time_format() always produces a utf8 string
[11:26] <larsu> or do you mean what you pass into it?
[11:26] <larsu> (which should also be valid utf8)
[11:26] <dednick> larsu: g_date_time_format(g_date_time_new_now_local(), "%a %d %b\u2003%H:%M") works in indicator-datetime, but not unity8
[11:26] <larsu> ooh, interesting
[11:26] <larsu> what's the error?
[11:27] <dednick> doesn't seem to give one, just passes back null
[11:27] <dednick> oh. maybe need to log out warnings or something
[11:27] <larsu> it probably does log something
[11:28] <dednick> larsu: hm. G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all doesn't give anything extra
[11:30] <larsu> dednick: I'll have a look
[11:30] <dednick> oh. shit. that's weird
[11:30] <larsu> works in python with gi..
[11:30] <dednick> i think it's some env var part of the make script that is causing it
[11:30] <dednick> running test by executable works :/
[11:31] <larsu> woah
[11:31] <larsu> I can't think of a reason why this would be locale dependent
[11:31] <dednick> larsu:  env LC_ALL=C
[11:31] <larsu> ya, I figured
[11:32] <dednick> hm. weird. maybe it uses sprintf or something which doesnt support unicode under LC_ALL=C
[11:33] <larsu> dednick: no, it uses g_locale_from_utf8
[11:33] <larsu> dednick: I don't have this problem from python
[11:34]  * larsu checks C
[11:35]  * xnox use C.UTF-8 ?!
[11:44] <larsu> dednick: does unity8 call setlocale(3)?
[11:45] <larsu> dednick: it ought to do something like setlocale(LC_ALL, "") to make it pick the locale set by env vars
[11:45] <dednick> Saviq: ^ ?
[11:46] <Saviq> larsu, we're not doing anything special, no
[11:46] <dednick> larsu: this is in tests. i think we use LC_ALL=C explicitly
[11:46] <larsu> dednick: I don't think anyone picks that up if you don't call setlocale
[11:46] <larsu> but maybe qt is doing it?
[11:47] <larsu> can you try calling it like a pasted above, before the call to g_date_time_format()?
[11:47] <dednick> larsu: will give it a try
[11:47] <larsu> and set the locale to C.UTF-8, like xnox suggested
[11:47] <larsu> because, obviously
[11:47] <dednick> larsu: does that actually exist? can't see it documented anywhere
[11:48] <Saviq> larsu, yeah, Qt changes formatting based on LC_ALL env
[11:48] <larsu> Saviq: and glib does based on the C library. You need to call setlocal
[11:48] <larsu> e
[11:49] <larsu> and it's what the indicator does, which is why it works there for dednick
[11:49] <larsu> I guess Qt just looks at the env itself
[12:13] <dandre> hello,
[12:13] <dandre> I am getting this error:
[12:13] <dandre> (unity-control-center:9088): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.canonical.Unity.Interface' is not installed
[12:13] <dandre> what package must I install?
[12:20] <seb128> dandre, unity-schemas (if you use utopic)
[12:22] <larsu> mvo_: what does "Multi-Arch: same" do exactly?
[12:25] <dandre> seb128: I use 14.04
[12:26] <seb128> dandre, should be in libunity-core-6.0-9 then
[12:27] <dandre> ok thanks
[12:28] <dandre> I don't use unity and I had an issue with gnome-control-center when clicked on accessibility setting
[12:28] <dandre> I got this error and gnome-control-center crashed
[12:29] <dandre> after installing this package everything seems fine
[12:29] <seb128> k
[12:29] <seb128> bug in g-c-c
[12:29] <dandre> other question: how can I definitivelly  disable all accessibilty features?
[12:30] <seb128> it should have stopped using that key, since we use unity-control-center for unity
[12:30] <dandre> yes certainly
[12:30] <seb128> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility false
[12:31] <seb128> that should do it, I think
[12:31] <dandre> ok will try
[12:32] <seb128> why do you want to desactive it?
[12:33] <dandre> because ramdomly my numeric keypad is mapped to mouse and I must go to accessibity settings to reset it
[12:34] <asac> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1363314
[12:34] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1363314 in ubuntu-clock-app "App fails to launch on up-to-date utopic desktop" [Critical,Confirmed]
[12:35] <asac> seb128: do you know who handles MM on desktop?
[12:35] <seb128> asac, "mm"?
[12:35] <asac> multimedia
[12:35] <asac> gstreamer
[12:35] <asac> etc.
[12:35] <seb128> nobody
[12:35] <seb128> we sync that from Debian
[12:35] <asac> some folks say that something got synced from debian
[12:35] <asac> ok who synched?
[12:35] <seb128> Laney I think
[12:35] <seb128> but he's on holidays for 10 days
[12:36] <asac> Laney: pleas see the bug above
[12:36] <seb128> asac, that's the 3rd channel that's being discussed, can you read backlogs rather than replay the topic yet another time?
[12:36] <asac> seb128: who is on it?
[12:36] <asac> i can if i know that its discussed and where
[12:36] <asac> i cannot read backlogs of all channels
[12:37] <seb128> asac, nobody, or popey/pmcgowan/etx
[12:37] <seb128> etc
[12:37] <seb128> asac, well, you can't read backlogs and I can't discuss the same topic 5 times with 5 different people who each can't read backlos
[12:37] <seb128> logs
[12:37] <asac> why dont you just tell me where this discussion happened?
[12:37] <seb128> asac, it was just discussed on -ci-eng and phablet channels
[12:37] <dandre> seb128: and I loose my numeric keypad when I use remote desktop too
[12:37] <asac> k
[12:38] <seb128> dandre, right, that mouse key
[12:39] <dandre> Is it possible to unistall mousekey feature?
[12:41] <seb128> not sure
[12:44] <mvo_> larsu: on the phone right now, I can asnwer in a sec
[12:44] <didrocks> willcooke: https://plus.google.com/+DidierRoche/posts/FbieUPhSsdu FYI
[12:44] <dandre> found that: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1262845
[12:44] <seb128> dandre, you can gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.a11y.keyboard mousekeys-enable false
[12:45] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I like your orange heart :)
[12:45] <rickspencer3> that would make a nice t-shirt :)
[12:45] <dandre> ok
[12:45] <didrocks> rickspencer3: heh, thanks, I tried to make the heart ubuntu-ish (and check my inskape poor skills)! :)
[12:45] <rickspencer3> :)
[12:46] <didrocks> the original is svg, but for some reasons, g+ wouldn't pick it up, so I exported the png for the blog post
[12:48] <didrocks> mhall119: hey, if you have a minute, maybe you can reshare https://plus.google.com/+DidierRoche/posts/FbieUPhSsdu on our developer g+ community and other channels you normally use? ;)
[12:49] <didrocks> ogra_ is still the professional g+ share*r* ;)
[12:49] <ogra_> :)
[12:52] <seb128> of course, didrocks couldn't resist listing dart in there ;-)
[12:52] <didrocks> seb128: that was my little easter egg :)
[12:52] <seb128> :-)
[12:53] <larsu> hehe I noticed that as well
[12:53] <larsu> didrocks: congrats ;)
[12:53] <didrocks> thanks dude :)
[12:54] <didrocks> let's see if people will retweet/share…
[12:54]  * larsu wonders if he should log into google to do so
[12:55] <larsu> all of the 5 people I'm connected with will see it!
[12:56] <didrocks> ahah ;)
[13:06] <willcooke> ogra_, hey - can you fill me in on this Gst bug?  Is there a bug open?
[13:07] <ogra_> willcooke, nope, not yet ... i dont know about popeys issue ... i talked to Laney about that landing because it suddenly build-deps on libdrm2 annd friends on armhf ... which makes these for us useless deps end up on the phone images
[13:07] <ogra_> willcooke, that was during debconf and Laney said he'd take a look ... i didnt know he'll be off this week tough
[13:08] <ogra_> willcooke, popey assumes the landing can have to do with the CI jobs failing, but i dont think we have a 100% proof for that
[13:08] <tkamppeter> willcooke, hi
[13:08] <ogra_> it just matches the timing
[13:09] <willcooke|meetin> tkamppeter, hey!  In a meeting, but can type a bit
[13:09] <tkamppeter> willcooke|meetin, can you make your slides editable for me? Thanks.
[13:10] <willcooke|meetin> tkamppeter, ah crap, sorry!
[13:11] <seb128> ogra_, popey, asac: it would help if people filed proper bugs, rather than giving partly info through IRC pings to people they think it's appropriate to ping
[13:11] <seb128> willcooke|meetin, ^
[13:11] <ogra_> seb128, true dat
[13:12] <seb128> like Laney got pinged, he's off, nobody else is in the loop and there is not even a proper description of the problem
[13:12] <seb128> if we had a bug the issue would probably be already assigned/tracked
[13:15] <willcooke|meetin> tkamppeter, done
[13:15] <popey> seb128: I filed a bug, 3 days ago (weekend and us holiday notwithstanding) and have been asking for people to help with it over the last 48 hours.
[13:15] <willcooke|meetin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/camera-app/+bug/1364258
[13:15] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1363314 in ubuntu-clock-app "duplicate for #1364258 App fails to launch on up-to-date utopic desktop" [Critical,Confirmed]
[13:15] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1363314 in ubuntu-clock-app "App fails to launch on up-to-date utopic desktop" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1363314
[13:16] <willcooke|meetin> grr - still bots++
[13:16] <seb128> sil2100, can we get the duplicated bot out again?
[13:16] <seb128> popey, ok, just not assigned on the components you guys are blaming
[13:16] <popey> I'm not blaming anyone.
[13:16] <seb128> popey, well, asac&co are
[13:16] <popey> I'm _asking_ for help.
[13:16] <sil2100> seb128: +1 on that! But I have no control over those :)
[13:17] <seb128> sil2100, oh, I though you said you would get one bot less yesterday, I probably misread ;-)
[13:17]  * popey has requested its removal
[13:17] <sil2100> seb128: no no, I was just joking that I'd like a -1 on the bot count ;)
[13:17] <popey> fyi #ubuntu-irc is where you request that
[13:17] <sil2100> popey: yeah, me and Mirv are also trying to find out all the time what could be the cause of those issues
[13:18] <sil2100> popey: and actually who to ping to get it fixed, as it's not obvious right now withou Laney
[13:19] <popey> didrocks: i think i killed your blog
[13:21] <seb128> popey, dropping-letter runs fine on my utopic desktop env
[13:21]  * popey tries again
[13:22] <willcooke|meetin> didrocks, confirmed - your blog is dead!
[13:22] <popey> seb128: still fails here from trunk on an up to date utopic machine http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215342/
[13:25] <seb128> popey, does that fail as well, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215350/
[13:26] <cyphermox_> seb128: hey
[13:26] <cyphermox_> to answer your question from yesterday, 'no sim' after flight mode was a known issue yes
[13:26] <seb128> cyphermox_, "was"?
[13:26] <seb128> cyphermox_, when did it get fixed?
[13:26] <cyphermox_> it may or may not be expected to be fixed
[13:26] <seb128> cyphermox_, hey btw :-)
[13:26] <cyphermox_> I don't know
[13:26] <seb128> k
[13:26] <seb128> who is working on it?
[13:26] <cyphermox_> I know awe and tiago and others talked about it
[13:27] <popey> seb128: no, that rings
[13:27] <cyphermox_> I mean, alfonso
[13:27] <cyphermox_> Wellark may also know about it
[13:27] <seb128> popey, ok
[13:28] <cyphermox_> ah, so I hear Wellark is on vacation this week?
[13:29] <seb128> cyphermox_, seems so
[13:32] <cyphermox_> :/
[13:33] <cyphermox_> seb128: is the network indicator something I can help with?
[13:33] <seb128> cyphermox_, I'm not working on it/one of the maintainers, but I guess help there would be welcome yes :-)
[13:33] <cyphermox_> seb128: assuming everything else is in order I may be able to jump on the bugs there
[13:33] <seb128> (especially on the settings side)
[13:33] <cyphermox_> aye
[13:33] <cyphermox_> I'll check
[13:34] <seb128> great
[13:34] <seb128> thanks
[13:34] <cyphermox_> I have to go through a small list of bluetooth bugs first, but I think they're already mostly covered
[13:36] <seb128> if I didn't screw up, that should silent the other bot
[13:45] <seb128> popey, does it work better if you uninstall some of the gstreamer plugin binaries?
[13:49] <willcooke> didrocks, let me know when it's back and I'll test it
[13:50] <didrocks> willcooke: it's up
[13:50]  * didrocks looks at cloudflare
[13:51] <willcooke> :)
[13:51] <willcooke> didrocks, lulz - I think it's down again
[13:52] <didrocks> pfff, first time I publish something since I switched to a raspberry pi
[13:52] <willcooke> wait - its bacjk
[13:52] <willcooke> maybe just slow
[13:52] <didrocks> yeah, let me see if can connect this cloudflare thing quickly
[13:53] <willcooke> didrocks, the initial GET took about 5 seconds
[13:53] <willcooke> :D
[13:53] <didrocks> waow…
[13:53] <didrocks> ok, I start to appreciate my old grilled shuttle K a little bit more
[13:53] <popey> didrocks: sorry, i tweeted from @ubuntu which probably killed it ☻
[13:53] <didrocks> at least, it was able to cope with the traffic
[13:54] <didrocks> popey: ahah, that would explain! thanks nevertheless ;)
[13:54] <popey> didnt realise you were running it on a Z80
[13:54] <didrocks> rohhh
[13:54] <popey> seb128: hmm, any in particular?
[13:55] <seb128> popey, anything which is not default on desktop? e.g keep base and good and fluendos
[13:56] <didrocks> willcooke: popey: load average is 52
[13:57] <willcooke> didrocks, O_o
[13:57] <didrocks> 78
[13:57] <didrocks> I guess, it's the mem which is going to explode…
[13:58] <popey> lolz
[13:58] <willcooke> didrocks,  you could move it to a static HTML page
[13:58] <popey> i see two willcooke's
[13:58] <didrocks> willcooke: that's exactly what I'm doing :p
[13:58] <willcooke> didrocks, :)
[13:58] <seb128> pitti, I seem to hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1358734 every time apport triggers on utopic, is that a known issue/on your list?
[13:58] <didrocks> 106!
[14:01] <pitti> seb128: no,  it's not; thanks for pointing out, adding to TODO
[14:01] <seb128> pitti, thanks, let me know if you need debug info
[14:01] <seb128> could be locale specific
[14:06] <popey> seb128: I'm down to these http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215610/ and it still fails.
[14:06] <seb128> popey, hum, ok :-/
[14:06] <seb128> popey, I'm going to need to investigate more then, thanks for checking!
[14:07] <seb128> I wonder why it works here (or it's because I'm on i386, going to test on other archs in a bit)
[14:07] <seb128> but first out for some exercice, be back before the meeting
[14:13] <didrocks> popey: ok, I guess the maze is back. It's funny to think it's not my connexion limiting this, but my hw. I need to find a backup plan for the next post
[14:21] <willcooke> didrocks, cloudflare looks pretty good :)
[14:21] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah, I'm signing up as we speak :)
[14:22] <willcooke> likewise
[14:22] <willcooke> :)
[14:22] <didrocks> ahah ;)
[14:22] <didrocks> thanks to Jorge!
[14:22] <popey> seb128: fyi, i can run dropping letters from trunk on my amd64 desktop (nvidia http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215728/) but not on my amd64 laptop (intel http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215610/).
[14:23] <popey> didrocks: I will take it as a personal challenge to ddos whatever you do to fix it for your next post
[14:31] <didrocks> popey: challenge accepted! :)
[14:33] <popey> seb128: ignore that last test, erroneous
[15:00] <rickspencer3> willcooke, you inspired me, I am downloading the desktop-next image right now :)
[15:00] <willcooke> rickspencer3, do you have one of those Inspiron laptops?  Their really cute.
[15:01] <rickspencer3> willcooke, I do. but I am going to try it on my Lenovo u310 touch
[15:01] <willcooke> rickspencer3, there is a kbd input bug right now which stops you logging in to U1, so you can easily install packages
[15:01] <willcooke> but we're working on
[15:01] <willcooke> or rather, it's on the list
[15:04] <rickspencer3> willcooke, does that mean I can't install click packages until it's fixed?
[15:04] <rickspencer3> wondering about the word "easily"
[15:06] <willcooke> rickspencer3, yeah
[15:07] <willcooke> rickspencer3, you have to configure your U1 credentials by, for example, using a U7 session
[15:07] <willcooke> I haven't bothered
[15:07] <willcooke> there are a few packaged as apt so I just installed them
[15:07] <willcooke> the dialer for example (albeit a useless example :) )
[15:07] <rickspencer3> willcooke, does the installer support a dual boot install?
[15:08] <willcooke> rickspencer3, 'fraid not
[15:08] <willcooke> erm
[15:08] <willcooke> well
[15:08] <willcooke> having said that
[15:08] <rickspencer3> np
[15:08] <willcooke> it might do actually
[15:08] <willcooke> but beware the installer bug which wipes your hdd without warning
[15:08] <willcooke> logged a bug with slangasek
[15:09] <rickspencer3> willcooke, well, I was planning to wipe and reinstall anyway :)
[15:09] <rickspencer3> just backing everythign up now :)
[15:09] <willcooke> yeah, but if you try to install alongside an old install, lulz, no data now
[15:14] <willcooke> that reminds me
[15:14] <willcooke> I should install Dropbox and get my xchat logs backed up
[15:15] <willcooke> OT: can people spam my blog: www.whizzy.org - I got Cloudflare set up and I'm interested to see if its working.
[15:15] <willcooke> didrocks, ^^
[15:16] <didrocks> willcooke: sure, I didn't notice any IP from them yet on mine, I guess the DNS change didn't propagate enough still
[15:16] <willcooke> just noticed my DNS change has gone throuhg
[15:17] <davmor2> willcooke: http://www.whizzy.org/2014/08/recording-screencasts-from-the-unity-8-desktop-preview/#comment-12769 hmmm
[15:18] <willcooke> davmor2, what are you seeing?  I just see three comments from G+
[15:19] <didrocks> willcooke: spamming in progress btw
[15:19] <davmor2> willcooke: click on wordpress
[15:20] <willcooke> hrm I see exactly nothing
[15:20] <willcooke> must be my firewall filter things
[15:20] <willcooke> thingy
[15:20]  * willcooke tries from 3g
[15:21] <davmor2> willcooke: Your comment is awaiting moderation.  hmmm that could be why
[15:21] <didrocks> willcooke: I'm proceeding as much connexion as I can in parallell with a for bash loop + curl & ;)
[15:21] <willcooke> davmor2, Even from 3g I see nothing
[15:23] <tkamppeter> willcooke, I have updated the slides now.
[15:23] <willcooke> tkamppeter, thank you very much!
[15:24] <willcooke> right, nearly meeting time
[15:24] <willcooke> so I'm going to go to my happy place
[15:24] <willcooke> which is the garden
[15:25] <willcooke> might get disconnected
[15:30] <willcooke> Ladies and gentlemen, pray silence for... the weekly meeting
[15:30]  * willcooke still hasnt worked out the meeting bot
[15:31]  * larsu thought willcooke was the meeting bot :P
[15:31] <tkamppeter> willcooke, can we start with me this time?
[15:31] <willcooke> shut up you :)
[15:31] <didrocks> :)
[15:31] <willcooke> tkamppeter, sure... go for it...
[15:31] <tkamppeter> - Slides for meetings of me and Will with representatives/Linux driver developers of printer manufacturers
[15:31] <tkamppeter> - Got a collection of PPDs which were formerly downloadable at the CUPS web site for integration in OpenPrinting, had a first look into them.
[15:31] <tkamppeter> - Bugs
[15:33] <willcooke> (other people, for my benefit:  attente_ didrocks FJKong (maybe), larsu, qengho , seb128 )
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter, and thanks again for your work on the slides.
[15:34] <willcooke> I got the conf # set up so I'll update the meetings and send out invites
[15:34] <rickspencer3> willcooke, if I'm trying without installing, what's the password for Ubuntu-desktop-next?
[15:34] <FJKong> willcooke: I just wake up....
[15:34] <FJKong> are we done already?
[15:35] <didrocks> FJKong: just starting ;)
[15:35] <rickspencer3> oops, sorry, didn't see you were in a meeting
[15:35]  * rickspencer3 backs away quietly
[15:35] <willcooke> rickspencer3, hrm, I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think it's either password or ubuntu
[15:35] <willcooke> rickspencer3, if that doesnt work let me know
[15:35] <willcooke> attente_, are you around?  you're go if you are
[15:35] <willcooke> your
[15:35] <attente_> sure
[15:36] <attente_> filed the fcitx integration FFe
[15:36] <attente_> debug keyboard layout variants issue with PPA, thanks seb128 for testing
[15:36] <seb128> rickspencer3, could be "phablet" as well, or you might need to go to a vt and set a password (from what ChrisTownsend said recently)
[15:36] <attente_> dbus property for current IM is upstream in fcitx, using indicator-keyboard icons is upstream in fcitx
[15:36] <seb128> nice!
[15:36] <attente_> wip: proper fcitx engine to input source migration for current fcitx users
[15:37] <attente_> to-do: debug some synching problems between the current input source and fcitx current input method
[15:37] <attente_> (eof)
[15:37] <willcooke> attente_, someone was telling me about problems with Fcitx and Russian, and in fact any language which is not Chinese.  Not sure what the actual problem is there, but we can (should) look in to it a bit more.
[15:38] <willcooke> I'll grep my logs and find out who was telling me about it
[15:38]  * willcooke hopes it wasn't in a hangout :)
[15:38] <didrocks> it was :)
[15:38] <seb128> could be didrocks?
[15:38] <didrocks> and it was me ;)
[15:38] <willcooke> darn it!
[15:38] <seb128> didrocks, what about russian?
[15:38] <didrocks> it was some feedback from bochecha
[15:38] <seb128> you mentioned japanese support not being good, but nothing about russian iirc
[15:38] <larsu> uh oh, all russians will be mad at attente again
[15:38] <didrocks> attente_: you should try to talk to him
[15:39] <didrocks> seb128: russian as well from our discussion
[15:39] <seb128> k
[15:39] <attente_> is he around?
[15:39] <didrocks> attente_: yeah, he is on freenode
[15:39] <didrocks> just /msg him and tell him I sent you his way ;)
[15:39] <didrocks> I'll ping him as well
[15:39] <didrocks> or just broke into his home :)
[15:39] <seb128> do russian use engines?
[15:40] <seb128> or just keyboard layouts?
[15:40] <didrocks> apparently, they do
[15:40] <didrocks> (use engines)
[15:40] <seb128> weird, I though those were using layouts only
[15:40] <seb128> anyway, not a topic to discuss in the meeting I think
[15:40] <didrocks> yep, same for me, but he took that as an example and as he worked on ibus support, I guess he knows a little bit more than us
[15:40] <didrocks> yep
[15:41] <willcooke> ok, something to take out of the meeting then I think
[15:41] <seb128> +1
[15:41] <attente_> ok
[15:41] <willcooke> attente_ can you follow up on that?  Let me know if you need anything organising, meetings what have you
[15:41] <attente_> just queried him
[15:41] <willcooke> thx
[15:41] <seb128> we decided to not switch default this cycle anyway, and we might only change for Chinese next cycle
[15:41] <seb128> but let's keep those issues in mind anyway
[15:42] <willcooke> yeah, seems like a wise move :D
[15:42] <willcooke> ok didrocks, the man who has so much web traffic it crashed his server!  Over to you...
[15:42] <didrocks> \o/
[15:42] <larsu> s/server/raspi/
[15:42] <didrocks> * Announced Ubuntu Developer Tools! http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Ubuntu-loves-Developers. Please, do not hesitate to reshare so that we can start getting feedbacks. ;)
[15:42] <didrocks> * Finished i18n support in the build process (dropped babel and went custom) + translation in French (Chinese as well is supported).
[15:42] <didrocks> * Hooked up + some fixes to get autopkgtests tests passing. It's running the small tests now. Tried to get the medium tests (docker ones) running. After multiple attemps, docker starts, but a permission issue inside the container stalls the tests. After spending some hours on it, put that aside for now (we'll have medium tests running daily anyway).
[15:42] <didrocks> * Fix coverage report to reflect reality + fixes in medium tests (certificates related) + some cleanups. Other deprecation (glib-related) fixes for utopic, and whole manual testing in trusty & utopic fresh vms.
[15:42] <didrocks> * Tracker promoted to main (finishing MIR review)
[15:42] <didrocks> * Continued MIR on fcitx and co. Some more feedback (especially on the new packages) and more work needed. It's in the hands of happyaron now.
[15:43] <didrocks> * …and got server downs (thanks popey!). Will ensure he won't win next time :pf
[15:43] <didrocks> EOF
[15:43] <willcooke> Great stuff, thanks didrocks
[15:43] <larsu> didrocks: congrats on the announce, again
[15:43] <didrocks> thx guys ;)
[15:43] <seb128> well done didrocks!
[15:43] <willcooke> We had a good chat with jcastro earlier as well, so we should be getting some good DevOps & Juju love and testing
[15:43] <attente_> "bochecha: I never used fcitx, and I can't type russian :)"
[15:43] <seb128> lol
[15:44] <willcooke> problem solved then
[15:44] <seb128> he was just trolling us then?
[15:44] <seb128> or s/us/didrocks :p
[15:44] <didrocks> attente_: yeah, I'm talking with him now, trying to find if he was just drunk the other day :)
[15:44] <willcooke> FJKong, over to you
[15:44] <attente_> didrocks, he thinks you had too much wine that day :P
[15:45] <willcooke> XD
[15:45] <FJKong> * help with sogou support new bug reported by users
[15:45] <FJKong> 1 status icron error when hidden status bar in panel
[15:45] <FJKong> 2 skin not be shown when update installing
[15:45] <FJKong> * discuss new feature of sogou skin: support Gif format of skin, will be add into version 1.2
[15:45] <FJKong> * meeting with NUDT: some new feature of file manager
[15:45] <FJKong> just paste from gedit:)
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:46] <FJKong> XD
[15:46] <willcooke> larsu, you're turn...
[15:46] <willcooke> your
[15:47] <willcooke> curse my English skills
[15:47] <willcooke> "skills"
[15:47] <larsu> - more review cycles for unitythemeiconprovider; should be able to go in now
[15:47] <larsu> - removed StatusIcon in ubuntu-system-settings and unity8
[15:47] <larsu> - helped out unity8 guys quite a bit this week (debug a crash in unity8/qmenumodel and some random glib-related pings/questions)
[15:47] <larsu> - progress on making our theme ready for popovers (bah, 3rd week I'm saying this) and client-side shadows
[15:47] <larsu> - looked into a few indicator bugs
[15:47] <larsu> eof
[15:47] <willcooke> Good work on the iconprovider stuff
[15:48] <larsu> thanks
[15:48] <didrocks> attente_: just for the record, he even didn't have *any* memory of his housewarming party. Guess WHO was drunk that evening…
[15:48] <larsu> had to fight bzr quite a bit this morning :-/
[15:48] <attente_> lol
[15:48] <didrocks> larsu: same issue than the other day, the rebase?
[15:48] <popey> seb128: seen the comments from bregma on bug 1363314 ?
[15:48] <popey> looks liike libqt5multimedia5-plugins has the issue
[15:48] <seb128> popey, great
[15:48] <larsu> didrocks: ya, but this time bzr rebase messed _everything_ up
[15:48] <willcooke> thx popey
[15:48] <didrocks> :(
[15:49] <seb128> popey, I assumed it would be something like that
[15:49] <seb128> bregma, thanks for looking at it
[15:49] <bregma> Unity8 on desktop is dead in the water right now, trying to find out why....
[15:49] <willcooke> qengho, over to you.  Sound like we have some interesting things coming up for Chromium soon
[15:50] <seb128> bregma, wfm
[15:50] <qengho> done: uploaded new Cr release, 37.0.2062.94. Adds inline PDF support to placate Will.
[15:50] <qengho> todo: more Cr support of Mir.
[15:50] <qengho> EOF
[15:50] <seb128> bregma, from an upgrade done 1.5h ago on utopic
[15:50] <willcooke> bregma, let me know if/how we can help
[15:51] <willcooke> WOOO!  PDF support.  That's such a nice feature, I really missed it moving from Chrome.  Thanks qengho
[15:51] <qengho> :)
[15:51]  * seb128 hates pdf-in-browser
[15:51] <seb128> differently schools I guess :-)
[15:51] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Unity8 is dead for me as well:-(
[15:52] <qengho> seb128: Sorry. about:plugins  kills it.
[15:52] <bregma> the Unity8 problem started last Friday, we think, but libqt5multimedia5-plugins hasn't been synced since June, so the real problem may be elsewhere
[15:52] <seb128> qengho, no worry, I got used to it in firefox, I tend to press store and open it locally then
[15:53] <willcooke> ok, seb128 over to you
[15:53] <seb128> k
[15:53] <seb128> • ubuntu-system-settings for touch
[15:53] <seb128> ∘ bugfixes: ui tweaks for sim lock&notification, refresh battery charge graph periodically, language list using inconsistent casing, background header wrong icon, don't give feedback on clicking updates row if they do nothing, correctly select default bg image, tweaks some ui, make strings properly translatable, handle missing license info
[15:53] <seb128> ∘ reviews (wizard update, security sim locking, launcher/indicators on greeter, extra device info,...)
[15:53] <seb128> ∘ storage, display translated names
[15:53] <seb128> • updated ibus-pinying to unblock ibus migration
[15:53] <seb128> • usual share of bugs triaging and desktop discussions
[15:53] <seb128>  
[15:53] <seb128> (somewhat short list, but a stack of items on touch settings)
[15:54] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:54] <willcooke> This from robert_ancell:
[15:54] <willcooke> Worked on:
[15:54] <willcooke> - Updated unity-settings-daemon / unity-control-center patches to work
[15:54] <willcooke> with new gnome-desktop (awaiting review)
[15:54] <willcooke> - Landed basic LightDM multi-seat logind support
[15:54] <willcooke> - Reviewed and uploaded some changes from the sponsoring queue
[15:54] <willcooke> - Backported some simple-scan improvements
[15:54] <willcooke> Currently working on:
[15:54] <willcooke> - Fixing LightDM crash when running Unity 8 and using script hooks
[15:54] <willcooke> - Reviewing more LightDM multi-seat patches
[15:54] <willcooke> - Improving GTK+ Mir patch
[15:54] <willcooke> Not blocked on anything.
[15:55] <willcooke> And finally, one request from dholbach
[15:55] <tjaalton> how does lightdm determine local users to show on the greeter?
[15:56] <seb128> tjaalton, using accountsservice and login.defs ranges iirc
[15:56] <tjaalton> ah
[15:56] <willcooke> Can those of us on the Patch Pilot list please do everything we can to do our shift
[15:56] <bregma> if I remove /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/mediaservice/libgstmediaplayer.so then Unity8 starts just peachy
[15:56] <willcooke> I think generally, Desktop are *very* good at doing our bit
[15:56] <willcooke> but let's just keep it in mind
[15:57] <willcooke> Ok, sounds like we've got lots of other things going on, so before we end.. any other business?
[15:57] <willcooke> I guess not,  Thanks all, see you next week
[15:58] <didrocks> thanks all!
[15:59] <seb128> thanks
[15:59] <seb128> bregma, since qtmultimedia-opensource-src didn't change for a while I guess something else changed and is bringing gst1.0 in process
[16:00] <bregma> seb128, I think it might be the other way around: something is bringing gstreamer1.0 into the process and qtmultimedia-opensource-src didn;t change to use the new version
[16:01] <seb128> bregma, that's what I said? ;-)
[16:01] <seb128> well, touch is still using 0.10 on purpose I think
[16:01] <bregma> oh, right 1.0 vs. 0.10
[16:06] <rickspencer3> willcooke, I guess the input isssue is that I can't make a . (period)?
[16:07] <rickspencer3> oh, can't make lots of things :/
[16:08] <willcooke> rickspencer3, yeah, the side stage some times cant get, or refuses to give up, focus
[16:08] <willcooke> *kbd focus
[16:09] <willcooke> I found a really strange one where caps lock got inverted *some times*
[16:09] <willcooke> I cant reproduce it atm though
[16:09] <rickspencer3> willcooke, yeah, all kinds of keyboard problems
[16:10] <rickspencer3> willcooke, is there a way to make it use the osk instead of the hard keyboard?
[16:10] <seb128> bregma, ^ do you know?
[16:10] <rickspencer3> also ...
[16:10] <rickspencer3> omg unity8 *flies* on this laptop
[16:11] <willcooke> rickspencer3, yeah, speed wise it's lightning fast
[16:12] <rickspencer3> omg
[16:12] <willcooke> no sure @ osk
[16:12] <rickspencer3> soooo fast
[16:12] <bregma> as far as I know the OSK does not work properly on the desktop for some reason and the hardware keyboard seems to be subject to racy grabs or something, so it stops working from time to time
[16:12] <bregma> the OSK may just not be seeded
[16:13] <bregma> seb128, it appears libthumbnailer0 may be the culprit pulling in gstreamer1.0
[16:13] <willcooke> bregma, I'd love to see it in there if it isn't seeded.  How can I help to make that happen?  Well, I supposed I should check if it is seeded, I'll do that first...
[16:13] <willcooke> bregma, seb128 ZOMG - I read about that yesterday
[16:14] <willcooke> the thumbnailer thing
[16:14] <bregma> well, I'd start by manually installing the package, I just need to find out what it is first
[16:14] <rickspencer3> willcooke, is someone working on the keyboard issue? it seems like it's not too useful until we get this fixed :/
[16:14] <willcooke> erm, it was in a bug report in LP, let me see if I can find it, might be helpful
[16:14] <willcooke> rickspencer3, yeah we have a bug open for it, one sec...
[16:14] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1322116
[16:14] <seb128> and it seems the reply is "no"
[16:14] <seb128> the Mir doesn't seem to have cycles for desktop atm
[16:15] <bregma> ☹
[16:15] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[16:16] <rickspencer3> ok so work around is to close all side stage app
[16:16] <rickspencer3> now I can't make it input a "." again :/
[16:16] <rickspencer3> willcooke, I think ^ is a different issue
[16:16] <rickspencer3> is there a bug report on that?
[16:17] <willcooke> I think it's the same issue, or at least it should be
[16:17] <seb128> what's your issue?
[16:17] <rickspencer3> seb128, it's like my keyboard can't figure out when I have caps lock on our off
[16:18] <seb128> k, that's an ok bug
[16:18] <rickspencer3> so, fist I had to hold down shift to make a capital W
[16:18] <seb128> the one ^ makes it so the sidebar doesn't get input
[16:18] <rickspencer3> right
[16:18] <willcooke> yeah, I think it's the same
[16:18] <rickspencer3> oh?
[16:18] <seb128> so you can't type your u1 login/password in the settings
[16:18] <rickspencer3> seb128, well, I am on a web page
[16:18] <willcooke> like the kdb service is missing the caps lock toggle because input is being eaten by /dev/null
[16:18] <rickspencer3> right now, I can't get it to make a capital "w"
[16:19] <willcooke> I might as well open a new one anyway, we can always close as dupe if needed
[16:19] <willcooke> leave it with me
[16:19] <rickspencer3> thanks willcooke
[16:20] <rickspencer3> seb128, is there anything I can do from VT1 or something to make it work?
[16:20] <rickspencer3> restart the keyboard service or something?
[16:20] <seb128> not that I know
[16:20] <seb128> it's a mir bug afaik
[16:20] <rickspencer3> arg
[16:21] <bregma> fairly certain it's at the Mir level
[16:23] <rickspencer3> oh well
[16:25]  * qengho falls in love with fcitx-pinyin.
[16:26] <didrocks> willcooke: did you get why it downloaded the html for him? I replaced with a static page a couple of hours ago
[16:27] <willcooke> didrocks, I think it must have been during the switch over, cos I tested and it was fine
[16:28] <willcooke> yeah, he says it works now
[16:28] <seb128> bregma, so yeah, it "  * Re-enable embedded album art." in libthumbnailer is what created the gst symbols conflict issue
[16:28] <seb128> that makes libthumbnailer use gst, which it was not before
[16:28] <didrocks> willcooke: ah, I think now that the DNS change has propagated. I see almost no static asset download anymore
[16:29] <willcooke> \o/
[16:29] <seb128> popey, ogra_, asac ^
[16:29] <seb128> sil2100, ^ you were looking at that as well I think
[16:31]  * ogra_ hugs bregma and seb128 
[16:31] <seb128> ogra_, asac: so nothing to do with the gstreamer updates
[16:31] <seb128> just saying ;-)
[16:32] <seb128> well, there is still the depends issue, but that can wait next week for Laney to sort out I guess
[16:32] <ogra_> seb128, wasnt me... i only complained about the bloated deps the sync brought in
[16:32] <ogra_> yeah, not urgent at all
[16:32] <asac> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1363314 is fixed now?
[16:32] <ogra_> we shoudnt release with them thought ...
[16:32] <asac> thats the trigger
[16:32] <asac> that made it get on my plate
[16:33] <asac> pmcgowan: ^^ ...
[16:33] <seb128> asac, no, it's not
[16:33] <seb128> asac, the issue is that qtmultimedia uses gst0.10 and libthumbnailer use gst1.0 and they end up loaded in the same process and have symbol conflicts
[16:34] <seb128> asac, somebody is going to either make qtmultimedia use gst1.0 or make libthumbnailer stop using gst again/use gst0.10
[16:35] <asac> who?
[16:35] <seb128> dunno
[16:35] <asac> this is blocking folks from merging their apps
[16:35] <seb128> who is working on those codebases
[16:35] <asac> thats why it was esaclated
[16:35] <seb128> that has nothing to do with us/desktop
[16:35] <seb128> those are new component from our touch upstream teams
[16:35] <asac> which landing broke it?
[16:35] <asac> not the gstreamer sync?
[16:35] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thumbnailer/1.2+14.10.20140827.1-0ubuntu1
[16:36] <seb128> no
[16:36] <asac> ok so thumbnailer?
[16:36] <seb128> that upload
[16:36] <seb128> yes
[16:36] <seb128> it added support for album art
[16:36] <asac> sil2100: pmcgowan: can you figure who did that?
[16:36] <seb128> which added the gst1.0 use
[16:36] <asac> seb128: thanks!
[16:36] <seb128> Satoris according to the changelog
[16:36] <didrocks> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/thumbnailer/trunk
[16:36] <didrocks> hum
[16:36] <didrocks> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/thumbnailer/trunk/revision/93
[16:36] <asac> sil2100: pmcgowan: maybe backout or so. check with manager of satoris if he isnt around anymore
[16:37]  * asac will be out for 1h and then check back
[16:37] <asac> smeone might want to post this into the bug
[16:37] <pmcgowan> seb128, argh this happened before, I will chase it
[16:37] <seb128> pmcgowan, thanks
[16:38] <willcooke> seb128, asac you want me to update the bug?  Happy to do so
[16:38] <willcooke> pmcgowan, ^^
[16:38] <pmcgowan> willcooke, please do
[16:38] <willcooke> on it
[16:39] <seb128> willcooke, if you want sure, thanks
[16:39] <pmcgowan> willcooke, I would assign to satoris so he can check it
[16:39] <willcooke> ack
[16:39] <pmcgowan> jussi
[16:39] <popey> Thanks seb128!
[16:39] <seb128> popey, thanks to bregma who did most of the work ;-)
[16:39] <didrocks> pmcgowan: asac: FYI, CI stated that it failed in the MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~jpakkane/thumbnailer/embedded-album-art/+merge/231207
[16:40] <popey> thanks bregma ☻
[16:40] <didrocks> previous merge showed flaky tests, but some passed: https://code.launchpad.net/~jpakkane/thumbnailer/logging/+merge/230779
[16:59] <willcooke> didrocks, http://www.webupd8.org/2014/09/canonical-releases-ubuntu-developer.html
[17:02] <didrocks> willcooke: the article is impressive in term of rightness :) (and you can really feel that the journalist installed it, which is always appreciated)
[17:02] <didrocks> thanks for the link!
[17:03] <willcooke> thank jcastro
[17:03] <didrocks> why is he never on #ubuntu-desktop! He's a cool dude though :)
[17:03]  * didrocks /msg him
[17:07] <ogra_> didrocks, he will ... once we serve all desktops from the cloud
[17:07] <didrocks> ahah, WIP, right?
[17:08] <ogra_> yeah "long term vision"
[17:08] <ogra_> :)
[17:25] <bregma> so, the OSK requires the ubuntu-keyboard[-*] package be installed, and the Maliit upstart job from ubuntu-touch-session be installed, some confiuguration done somwheres, and still it won't run because it tries to dlopen() the incorrect video drivers
[17:26] <bregma> sounds like a task for someone to do....
[18:04] <Laney> pingfest
[18:04] <Laney> are these dependencies a big problem?
[18:05] <seb128> Laney, hey
[18:05] <Laney> hiya
[18:05] <seb128> Laney, no, we sorted it out, the real issue was libthumbnailer bringing gst1.0 in process where gst0.10 is used by other bits, leading to symbols conflict and things not starting
[18:06] <Laney> right okay, I doubted it would cause any problems
[18:06] <ogra_> Laney, not big enough to work on them during vacation
[18:06] <seb128> Laney, they tried to blame the gst update because timing was similar
[18:06] <ogra_> Laney, they are a problem for release and we need them gone ... but its surely not that urgent
[18:06] <seb128> it was the most likely candidate from a first look to the changes
[18:06] <seb128> Laney, how was debconf? are you still in the u.s or somewhere else for holidays?
[18:09] <Laney> seb128: it was nice thanks, talked about transition tracker and gi and other things
[18:09] <seb128> nice
[18:09] <seb128> did you get buying for the gir-multiarch thing?
[18:09] <Laney> yeah talked to ah, he didn't mind
[18:09] <Laney> so that's in exp now
[18:10] <Laney> going to do a mass rebuild soon to see what breaks and then fix that
[18:11] <Laney> and yeah, still in portland - staying with some friends who live a bit out to the east
[18:11] <Laney> today is chinese garden day
[18:12] <Laney> also found a climbing centre ;-)
[18:14] <Laney> breakfast time, ttyl
[18:15] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[19:11] <BigWhale> Thanks for this guys! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kazam/+bug/1298883
[21:06] <robert_ancell> xnox, around?
[21:06] <robert_ancell> or TheMuso
[21:14] <xnox> robert_ancell: yes.
[21:14] <xnox> robert_ancell: cepasa mon amigo?
[21:15] <robert_ancell> xnox, https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/ubuntustudio-default-settings/lightdm-config-in-usr/+merge/233124
[21:15] <robert_ancell> In particular, I had a question about the priority of your configuration
[21:16] <xnox> robert_ancell: i believe it should be same or higher, in practice it doesn't matter much as one (by default) only has one, but no the other theme.
[21:17] <robert_ancell> xnox, yeah, I generally set all the Ubuntu defaults to 50 and expect all the derivatives to use 60
[21:17] <robert_ancell> xnox, I'll update the branch if you agree
[21:24] <xnox> robert_ancell: i agree
[21:25] <robert_ancell> xnox, ok, branch updated
[21:26] <robert_ancell> Is there an Ubuntu package search tool? I want to find any other packages installing into /etc/lightdm
[21:50] <attente_> there's apt-file
[21:50] <sarnold> packages.ubuntu.com
[21:53] <attente_> :w
[22:42] <robert_ancell> I can never get packages.ubuntu.com to work properly. If I search for "/etc/lightdm" it returns nothing and "lightdm.conf.d" also returns nothing. "lightdm" returns some results but they are truncated
[22:42] <robert_ancell> I'm also not confident it is finding everything
[22:55] <sarnold> robert_ancell: it's tough; a lot of files are created by postinst scripts and they often go to lengths to avoid declaring the files as conffiles because changing those causes dpkg prompts during upgrades
[22:56] <sarnold> robert_ancell: I've thought before it'd be nice to start with a basic VM, snapshot all files, install a package, record new files / changed files, and then revert the VM and iterate...
[22:56] <robert_ancell> yeah, that would be nice :)
[22:56] <sarnold> but the complexity of such a beast would be .. daunting.
[22:57] <sarnold> robert_ancell: this thing can kind of help track down those postinst-based files: http://ubuntu-codesearch.surgut.co.uk/
[22:58] <robert_ancell> ah, that finds lubuntu-default-settings doing the wrong thing