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wgranthallyn: I normally use the 45W one, but I sometimes use my old bigger T400 one without trouble.00:03
hallynwgrant: you've never had this charging trouble I'm talking about i take it?00:09
hallynI really don't wanna be laptop-less for 2 weeks as i send this one in... :(00:10
wgranthallyn: Nope :/00:10
wgranthallyn: Will it turn back on immediately if you unplug the external battery and disable the internal one, then replug?00:10
hallynhow do i disable the internal one?00:11
hallynbut, the last two times it did after i unplugged the external, but the first time it did not00:11
hallynso, want a few more experiments i guess00:11
wgranthallyn: There's a button on the bottom.00:11
hallyn(the first time i was just really pissed off)00:11
hallynoh?00:11
wgrantIIRC00:11
wgrantHm, I thought there was.00:12
wgrantOh, maybe it's not externally accessible, damn.00:12
wgrantI was remembering the internal one.00:12
wgrantBut yeah, I've never had a problem like that.00:13
wgrantThe biggest issue I have is that it doesn't detect a hot-swapped external battery without a suspend/resume or unplug/replug cycle, and I think that's a Linux issue.00:13
hallynok - thx00:15
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desrt|pdxhallyn: you can't do subtree listens for bus names -- you have to register each one separately03:09
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hallyndesrt|pdx: hm, did try that, didn't seem to get interface org.freedesktop.Scope method Abandon to register, but I'll keep going down that route then, thanks03:16
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desrt|pdxoh03:17
desrt|pdxif you want new _interfaces_ then you need to make a new call to register_object03:17
desrt|pdxand ya -- in that case, subtree may make sense depending on what you're up to03:18
hallynsystemd-logind calls method Abandon on interface Scope to let us know we can remove the cgroup.  i just wanna listen to that so we can act on it03:19
desrt|pdxyou'll probably need to use a subtree03:20
desrt|pdxbecause of the stateless thing03:20
hallynok.  actually i guess i just got that to actually create me some cgroups.03:23
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pittiGood morning04:24
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dholbachgood morning06:32
dholbachseb128, does the desktop team still use the ~ubuntu-desktop branches?06:36
seb128dholbach, yes, why?06:36
dholbachseb128, ok, it was just a few I found of date06:37
seb128of date?06:37
dholbachout of date06:38
dholbachsorry06:38
seb128which ones?06:39
seb128things is that some packages don't always have an Ubuntu delta, and we don't commit updates when packages got e.g back in sync with Debian06:40
dholbachah ok06:40
LocutusOfBorg1Hi, what is needed to fix lp 1310049?07:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1310049 in lsdvd (Ubuntu) "Invalid Python Output in Trusty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131004907:47
LocutusOfBorg1the patch is already there07:47
seb128LocutusOfBorg1, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug?07:48
LocutusOfBorg1yes, seb128 I had already done this, a few minutes ago, I was looking for the SRU documentation07:58
seb128LocutusOfBorg1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates07:58
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LocutusOfBorg1yes seb128  was looking at it ;)08:49
seb128LocutusOfBorg1, looking at what?08:49
seb128oh, the SRU documentation, I though you were asking for it08:49
mvo_mardy: hi, just a quick heads-up, I uploaded a new accounts-qml-module with a trivial multi-arch releated change, the control file says direct uploads are ok, but if you prefer a branch instead just say so and I will create one09:02
xnoxdesrt|pdx: hey, you are not totally hooked up for non-uploading DD status =) https://nm.debian.org/public/process/desrt09:17
xnoxI'm sure seb128 would be very happy about that =)09:17
seb128desrt|pdx is going for dd?! ;-)09:18
xnoxseb128: yeap! non-uploading though =)09:19
xnoxseb128: although we might trick him into an uploading DD later on.09:19
seb128is the process less crazy than for DD with upload? ;-)09:19
xnoxseb128: it's less crazy - one must pass the secret handshake test, licensing test, etc. But not e.g. how to use dput test.09:20
seb128k09:20
seb128no "rewrite your debian/rules in pure makefile without using the dh tools"? ;-)09:20
mlankhorsthah09:25
mlankhorstwell DD is easy. :P09:25
mlankhorsteven uploading09:25
tjaaltonjust takes time10:46
mardymvo_: if you create a branch, you would save me some time -- if you do have time yourself, that is :-)10:49
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sil2100dholbach: hey! I have a small request - could you move my this-month's patch pilot duty one week later? :)11:22
sil2100dholbach: and if you want, you can put my name 2 times in the month if anything11:22
stgraberapachelogger: is that on utopic?11:30
tseliotpitti: hey, do you know why/how requesting suspend from logind could result in a timeout?11:31
tseliotpitti: in 14.0411:31
apacheloggerstgraber: trusty11:34
stgraberodd. I'm aware of some kernel issues with unprivileged overlayfs on utopic but not on trusty...11:35
stgraberapachelogger: is that just a straight unprivileged lxc-start-ephemeral or are you doing nesting?11:36
apacheloggerstgraber: straight one, on AWS if that matters11:36
stgraberapachelogger: ok, just to confirm it's a generic issue and nothing to do with your jenkins setup or its directories, can you try a simple (still unprivileged): lxc-create -t download -n test -- -d ubuntu -r trusty -a amd64 && lxc-start-ephemeral -o test11:37
mvo_mardy: thanks,  I will make sure to create a branch for you11:42
apacheloggerstgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8214763/11:48
apacheloggerstgraber: ah mind you, the container is utopic11:48
apacheloggerpft11:51
apacheloggerstgraber: I can't reproduce it anymore :S11:51
apacheloggerah, actually11:51
apacheloggerstgraber: I since changed the entire home to the first subuid as I found no other way to make rw bind mounts work, so I guess that would have solved the permission problems11:53
apacheloggerstgraber: fails for new user http://paste.ubuntu.com/8214821/11:57
stgraberapachelogger: does a simple "lxc-start -n test" work for that new user?12:00
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apacheloggerstgraber: yep http://paste.ubuntu.com/8214858/12:04
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pittitseliot: could be bug 1253456 or bug 1252121, I just never could reproduce it on a box that I could debug on12:08
ubottubug 1253456 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu) "Suspend takes >20 seconds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125345612:08
ubottubug 1252121 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu Trusty) "missing PrepareForSleep signal after resuming, causing networking to stay disabled" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125212112:08
tseliotpitti: I can't reproduce it here either but an engineer can here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fwts/+bug/136019512:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1360195 in Firmware Test Suite "Can not finish suspend test" [Critical,New]12:10
tseliotI don't know if it's the same issue though12:10
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stgraberapachelogger: hmm, sadly I'm in the middle of a move and my trusty dev box isn't quite back online yet...12:38
stgraberit's a bit puzzling why it works for one user and not for the other though12:38
mvo_xnox: could you please try http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215080/12:40
mvo_xnox: ?12:40
mvo_xnox: you can test using ./build/bin/apt-helper detect-proxy http://foo.bar12:45
apacheloggerstgraber: it works on the one user because I manually cheated my way to a working setup by changing the uid entirely -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215121/12:46
dholbachsil2100, you can move it wherever you like12:47
dholbachsil2100, it's just there as a reminder12:47
mlankhorststgraber: can someone from the release team ack mesa 10.3 or xorg-server 1.16?12:47
aerocarbinejoin #teen12:48
apacheloggerstgraber: I am not sure how this is intended to work but from what I understand the ephemeral setup fails because it tries to create a folder (delta0) in a folder that is not owned by the mapped uid... e.g. in the jenkins example share/local/lxc/foo would be owned by uid=120 but the map only starts at 100000 which results in permission errors. I also observed the same thing with a snapshot clone and a bind mount (which is why I flipped the12:50
apacheloggeruid of the jenkins user), as long as the to-be-bound-dir doesn't have write permissions for uid100000 it quite simply won't be writable12:50
apacheloggerI do find that last bit weird though considering 100000 is a subuid of whatever uid the user has xD12:50
stgraberapachelogger: ah, you shouldn't be needing that kind of trick at all, what you do need however is execute access for the mapped uid all the way to .local/share/lxc12:52
stgraberapachelogger: which typically is as simple as "chmod +x /home/<user>"12:52
apacheloggerstgraber: mhh, I did the chmod on both accounts though :/12:53
stgraberapachelogger: let me see if I can figure out how to start a canonistack instance so I can do a very quick test there12:53
pittiwgrant: oh, a langpack! https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/+language-packs12:59
pittiwgrant: was this an one-off thing, or is that cron'ed now?12:59
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wgrantpitti: Oh, sorry, forgot to poke you about that. We should coordinate the cron schedule.13:01
wgrantThe import backlog completed over the weekend.13:02
pittiwow, still 199 MB? I had expected it to be a lot smaller13:02
wgrantIt might make sense to disable langpack support for some of the templates.13:03
wgrantI haven't looked to see where the major size is.13:03
pittiwgrant: so, incidentally I just fixed langpack-o-matic to now fully get along with update tarballs (we need that for ubuntu anyway)13:03
pittiso the requirement for "always need a full export" can be dropped13:03
wgrantAll templates for sources that we copied were copied.13:03
stgraberapachelogger: got a trusty instance up, though it's freakishly slow, trying to get lxc running in there now :)13:04
pittiwgrant: so from my side I'm not fussed about any particular time in teh week13:05
pittiwgrant: so you can run it at the time that is best13:05
wgrantpitti: Thursday for the export?13:07
pittiwgrant: sounds good! then Friday for the build/upload13:07
wgrantYep13:07
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smoseradam_g`, i do have access to such logs.13:22
israelHi, I am wondering how to access files outside of a squashfs... I am building a Live CD without ubiquity.  Is there a way to link to files in the /live directory of the actual image to link to the LiveCD $HOME?13:29
israelin Debian it is ln -s /lib/live/mount/medium/live/ but this directory structure does not exist in the image I am building... what is the equivalent?13:30
xnoxmvo_: building13:31
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shadeslayerisrael: how are you building the ISO?13:36
israelshadeslayer I made a script... I am using chroot, basically I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch13:37
israelBut I am customizing it using an alternate installer called OBI, rather than Ubiquity as I am targetting machines with 128MB RAM using JWM and no display manager... just xinit in $HOME13:38
shadeslayeruh, not entirely sure13:38
shadeslayerisrael: why do you want to do this linking btw?13:39
israelI have a working image, however I need to access a tar.xz stored in image/live/tarballs13:39
Saviqsergiusens, do you have a bug for ciborioum and system hint?13:39
israel:) I was answering as you typed13:39
shadeslayerisrael: doesn't answer my question :)13:40
shadeslayerwhy do you need to access a tar on the binary ISO13:40
shadeslayerinstead of having the tar inside the squashfs13:40
israelOBI uses the tar to install an entire OS.  It is a tarball of an existing system13:40
israelthe entire device13:41
xnoxmvo_: git diff output doesn't tell me base commit id nor branch the diff is against =) hence, i was asking for "git format-patch" as that has metadata for me to find out what the diff is for. As is that fails to compile, failing to find proxy.h headers. Let me fudge it in to compile.13:41
xnoxand/or undo refactoring.13:41
shadeslayerwait so13:42
israelhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI13:42
shadeslayerisrael: your ISO will have squashfs of the system as well as a tar of the entire system13:42
shadeslayerso basically doubling the size?13:42
israelyes... but the image is around 600MB total with the tar13:42
mvo_xnox: hm, give me some minutes, I shall have something with a proper git format and test then13:43
israelshadeslayer is there a way to copy the squashfs to the HD as the OS? and run some post install scripts to change a few things? (like user and moving /root to /home/$USER13:44
shadeslayerisrael: well, the media will be mounted in /media/user/something/ , so mayeb you can patch OBI to look at that path?13:45
shadeslayerisrael: ubiquity :p13:45
israelUbiquity does not run in less than 384 MB  it locks the computer up... hence the need for OBI13:46
dholbachdidrocks, your blog is a bit busy, right? :)13:46
didrocksdholbach: it seems it went popular, I'm rebooting it in a few :p13:46
shadeslayerisrael: right13:49
* shadeslayer would just use the text installer13:49
israelhmmm... OBI is a one button installer... it is very easy for a novice... text installer is much more complicated than ubiquity, don't you think?13:50
shadeslayerbut ... who would have computers with 128 MB's of RAM :S13:50
shadeslayerseems like a corner case13:50
xnoxmvo_: hm, also local build system seems to link against system libapt-pkg (and headers) instead of the just built ones....13:50
didrocksdholbach: up again13:51
israelshadeslayer people in poor economies who cannot afford a new computer, and cannot afford to stay with XP since it is unsupported13:51
dholbachdidrocks, thanks! :)13:52
shadeslayerisrael: but I doubt you can run much with 128 MB's of RAM13:52
shadeslayerfor LO is out of the picture, as is firefox, chrome13:52
shadeslayermidori maybe, not sure how much RAM it takes13:53
mvo_xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215517/ <- this should actually be much nicer, sorry that it took me so long13:53
israelshadeslayer... I have a nice old 128MB device.  It runs just fine :)  The OS runs in about 60MB ram, so you can do A LOT  This isn't Gnome or even LXDE... ya know?13:53
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Unit193shadeslayer: w3m will work fine.  Also, yes, you can generally use the squashed system itself as the new system.  I did an install once without ubiquity, not bad.13:54
mvo_xnox: against the debian/sid branch, you can test with apt-helper13:54
xnox+++ b/apt-pkg/contrib/proxy.h13:54
xnox+#include <apt-pkg/proxy.h>13:54
israelMidori works fine, FF works albeit slowly and Abiword is always an alternative to LibreOffice13:54
* xnox is not sure how that works.13:54
shadeslayerxnox: heh13:55
israelUnit193 agreed, I use JWM though.  and without a display manager it eats up less ram13:55
shadeslayerisrael: so returning to my original question, why can't the tar.gz be included in the squashfs13:56
shadeslayerwould make your life easier?13:56
mvo_xnox: jetlag13:56
israelshadeslayer, I do not think this works...13:57
xnoxmvo_: =))))))))13:57
shadeslayerisrael: oh ? :S13:57
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shadeslayerah, probably because the ISO mounted as ramfs13:57
shadeslayerand that would be huge13:57
xnoxunless that will compile....13:58
mvo_xnox: maybe I'm super jetlaged, but I don't see this include in http://paste.ubuntu.com/8215517/ - at least not in proxy.h :)13:58
israelshadeslayer  as a side note, I figured it out... :)13:58
israelln -s /live/image/live/ /root/img13:58
israelln -s /live/image/live/tarballs /13:58
israelSometimes it just helps talking about it, eh?  Like partner programming :)13:59
mvo_xnox: what do you think about adding a config for apt in libproxy-tools directly? so that when you install libproxy-tools apt will automatically use the "proxy" command? or do you think that is too suprising?13:59
xnoxmvo_: hm =) i just nuked the whole git repo tree with hard reset and clean, and I no longer have it either =)13:59
mvo_xnox: *puhh* :) glad to hear13:59
shadeslayerisrael: cool :)13:59
mvo_xnox: so the tea helped at least a bit13:59
* xnox is also jetlagged a bit =)13:59
israelThanks for being an ear to bounce ideas off of :)14:00
xnoxmvo_: depends for which distro. In Debian, i think i need manual configuration variable for the PAC file url, on ubuntu it all needs to happen automagically if proxy-webkit is available and e.g. ubuntu services are used to set global proxy and pac file settings.14:01
* xnox has debs \o/14:02
xnoxtesting14:02
xnoxmvo_: magic =) all works like a charm!14:05
mvo_xnox: \o/14:05
xnoxmvo_: this makes my life just a little bit more wonderful, when using "enterprise" network =)14:06
mvo_xnox: great, I will push into git - so libproxy-tools should ship a config or nt :) ?14:07
mvo_not14:07
xnoxmvo_: not for now. In neither ubuntu or debian.14:08
mvo_xnox: *sigh*, ok :) I guess we need to put it into the documentation or something then as it seems to be super useful14:08
xnoxmvo_: since in neither of those it would honor things as root. E.g. "apt-get download" would honor user session proxy settings from gnome, but "sudo apt-get download" would not.14:08
xnoxmvo_: i will probably create a mini package which uses e.g. APT::PAC-URL thing to specify and fetch proxies, for debian (and/or as a patch for libproxy-tools, or apt with appropriate either compiled binary or python script)14:10
xnoxand on ubuntu, i'll add support in ubuntu-service to store global PAC url for root user, and make libproxy plugin to talk to ubuntu-service to fetch all those root settings.14:10
xnoxand then life will be complete.14:10
mvo_xnox: great14:12
xnox*****-14:14
sergiusensSaviq: no, did you create one?14:23
Saviqsergiusens, did not, doing now14:23
Saviqsergiusens, ciborium or lxc-android-config? both?14:23
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sergiusensSaviq: both14:31
sergiusensI'll link if not14:31
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Saviqsergiusens, bug #136443414:37
ubottubug 1364434 in lxc-android-config (Ubuntu) "SystemHint sometimes remains false on system volumes, causing permanent ciborium bubble" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136443414:37
sergiusensSaviq: thanks14:37
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tedgjodh, hallyn, so where are we with fixing upstart cgroups?14:53
jodhtedg: I believe hallyn is on the case wrt the required systemd-shim changes - we can't really be convinced everything works as expected until we have that piece.14:57
tedgjodh, Okay, cool.14:58
tedgHopefully we can get those pieces moving together.14:58
hallyntedg: I'm working with $*&%(*$&% g_dbus.  I will have StopUnit - which kills all tasks on logout - working today.  I don't know how to get Abandon - which would just mark cgroups remove-on-empty on logout - working, but post what i have so hopefully someone who knows this stuff can tell me how to fix it15:04
tedghallyn, Ah, cool.15:04
barrymvo_: ping15:45
mvo_barry: pong - want to play again?15:45
barrymvo_: still recovering from our last tourny :)15:45
smoserpitti, do you have any idea why ca-certificates wouldn't work ?16:00
pittismoser: I haven't dug into that yet, but I suppose we sign the images and catalogue with a cert that isn't in ca-certificates?16:01
smoserthis "works for me".16:01
pittior sign it with a cert whose CA isn't there, I mean16:01
smoser$ wget https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/query/released.latest.txt16:01
pittismoser: that's on utopic?16:01
smoseryeah.16:01
smoser(note, all i did was that single command, but as i understood the bug you were asserting that fails)16:02
pittiinfinity, slangasek, stgraber: TB meeting now16:02
smoser$ dpkg-query --show wget ca-certificates16:02
smoserca-certificates2014032516:02
smoserwget1.15-1ubuntu116:02
pittisame here16:02
* pitti tries again in a schroot, but I thought I already did that yesterday16:02
pittiapt install wget16:02
smoserhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8216407/16:03
pittifun, it works there16:03
smoseryou're sure you *had* ca-certificates in the root ?16:03
pittiSetting up ca-certificates (20140325) ...16:04
pittiyes16:04
smoseryeah, and cloud-iamge-utils does Depend on it16:04
pittiwget does, t oo16:04
pittitoo16:04
pittismoser: ah fun -- purging ca-certificates and reinstalling helps16:05
pittiso that smells like some weird upgrade issue16:05
smoseroh. that is fun.16:05
smoserpitti, yeah, very weird in that i dont have it here on my utopic16:05
pittismoser: ok, then sorry for the noise! I'll set it to incomplete and see whether I can reprorduce that on an upgrade16:05
smoserwhich is upgraded pretty much daily-ish16:05
pittiI suspect some leftover conffiles from older versions, or missing upgrade cleanup or so16:05
pittismoser: thanks for checking on your system!16:09
smoserpitti, if you see stuff like that, please feel free to msg/bump me in irc.16:10
pittismoser: yeah, I did two days ago, but apparently it got lost in the noise16:10
smoseri miss a lot of bugmail, sadly i'm not as on top of things as you are  :)16:10
pittiso I decided to go for a bug report instead, and keep track of debugging info16:11
pittiwasn't all that trivial to get from "juju deploy" failure down to wget, so it at lesat helped wiht the notekeeping :)16:11
pittiah, the beloved bug mail firehose :/16:11
pittismoser: ok, upgrade worked as well; daily utopic dist-upgrade must have gotten that wrong at some point, but *shrug*, fixed itself :016:18
pitti:) even16:18
pittiso only one bug left without a workaround16:18
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hallynpitti: desrt: ok, if i have a GVariant (returned by a dbus call), g_variant_get_type_string(variant) says "(as)" and g_variant_iter_n_children(iter) says 1, should I not be able to simply g_variant_iter_loop (&iter, "&s", &child) to get the content of that single string into child?16:54
hallyn(I asssume not -b c it's not working - but i've tried tons of variations like "(s)" "{s}" as well as using g_variant_iter_get_next)16:55
hallynmaybe i should just walk g_variant_get_child with a count16:56
hallynit's not glib-y, but should work16:56
pittihallyn: you mean g_variant_iter_next_value ()?16:58
hallynyeah16:58
pittior g_variant_iter_next () (more convenient in C)16:58
pittihallyn: ought to work, yes (with just "s")16:58
pittinot &s16:58
pittihallyn: but g_variant_get_child () seems altogether eaiser16:59
pittihallyn: if g_variant_iter_next () with "s" doesn't work, then I think desrt will be better to answer that (I don't do much with variants, I have little experience with that API)16:59
* pitti waves good night17:05
hallynpitti: thanks, gnight.17:06
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hallynyay, got the string finally17:27
hallyndesrt: hi, if you have a few mins at some point, github.com/hallyn/systemd-shim #stopunit.2 has working org.freedesktop.systemd.Manager StopUnit support;  but I cannot get it to respond to org.freedesktop.systemd.Scope Abandon.  Any hints for obvoius reasons why would be greatly appreciated18:01
hallyn(could18:01
hallynjust be that i didn't set the method prototypes right, i suppose, but probably something even dumber)18:01
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JFSTWO!ops20:22
ubottuHelp! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!20:22
Unit193henrix: Sorry to see you go, but thanks for your efforts!20:30
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cousteauany chance of getting the font OCR-B on the repositories?  There's already OCR-A (fonts-ocr-a).  OCR-B is used often in Europe for ID cards and similar.22:27
cousteau(and I don't know if it can be freely distributed, but I found it for free on a quick "ocr-b ttf" google search)22:27
cousteaumaybe I should ask debian?22:27
cousteau(it also seems to be available from Arch's AUR, so maybe this means it's legal to distribute, dunno)22:29
Unit193"my own contributions are public domain, and others have licensed their copyright claims."  Good luck, sir.22:35
hallyndesrt: hm, since I guess the error is "Failed to abandon scope session-6.scope: No such interface 'org.freedesktop.systemd1.Scope' on object at path /org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/session_2d6_2escope"  I assume that measn I'm supposed to actually set up a new listener on that path when the unit is started?  meaning systemd-shim would have to persist for the duration of the session?  (or a child of its)22:43
hallyni'd kinda prefer to hack systemd to call Manager.Abandon, but that wouldn't fly upstream :)22:44
cousteauUnit193, anyway that's not the font I found; the one I found has all iso8859-1 characters22:49
cousteau(I also found another one for 30-something dollars, so I'm not going to trust the legality of the first font I found)22:50
hallynin wihch case maybe i didn't need to swicth to subtree after all22:56
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