[00:17] <fmarier> so it looks like systemd is going to fix everything that sucks in distros http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2014/debconf14/webm/A_glimpse_into_a_systemd_future.webm
[00:50] <G> fmarier: is that the 'systemd-will-do-everything-by-btrfs' thing?
[00:52] <fmarier> G: no it's more like "systemd-is-adding-new-daemons-and-tools-to-fix-all-the-problems-we-run-into"
[00:53] <G> fmarier: oh right, I'll have to watch that then
[00:53] <fmarier> for e.g. something to automatically create system users as needed, which will replace the dirty hacks that we have to put in maintainer scripts at the moment
[00:53] <fmarier> i'm looking forward to that particular one
[00:53] <G> The latest one is http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html
[00:57] <fmarier> hm, i might indeed need to grab a large cup of tea before reading that one
[00:58] <G> Yeah, re-reading it, I can see the logic, but I'm currently cringing at the idea of such things as "what happens when you add NFS to the mix" etc
[00:59] <fmarier> surely systemd will rewrite NFS ;)
[01:09] <olly> If systemd does solve all our problems, it'll just replace them with a whole new set of problems
[01:09] <G> don't.. joke.. about it :P
[01:10] <olly> Like pulse audio did
[01:11] <olly> Except without solving anything afaics
[01:14] <G> yeah, Pulseaudio kinda-works for me, but ALSA/ESD worked better imo
[01:14] <G> tbh, I find the Windows audio subsystems more problem inducing than Pulse these days
[01:29] <olly> It does seem better behaved these days
[01:30] <olly> Ubuntu pushed it too soon which didn't help
[04:47] <G> olly: yeah, Fedora also pushed it way too early as well
[08:11] <mwhudson> lennart is a bit of a nutter, but bits of esd were written by rasterman and he's definitely worse :)
[08:22] <G> true, esd was certainly worse than ALSA
[19:08] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:26] <ajmitch> morning
[20:35] <hads> morning