[00:49] <bluesabre> knome: testing the strings update menulibre package, then uploading
[00:50] <knome> :)
[00:50] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: released a new mugshot, 0.2.5, already uploaded to ubuntu.  You can send it to debian if you'd like, packaging should be the same
[00:51] <bluesabre> ^ https://launchpad.net/mugshot/+milestone/0.2.5
[00:57] <bluesabre> knome: uploaded
[00:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: still awake/around?
[00:59] <bluesabre> (nope)
[01:05] <bluesabre> taking a break now, bbl
[06:40] <elfy> morning peeps
[06:49] <dkessel> morning elfy!
[06:50] <elfy> hi dkessel 
[08:41] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: ping
[08:42] <ochosi> hey slickymasterWork 
[08:42] <ochosi> what up?
[08:42] <slickymasterWork> morning ochosi 
[08:42] <slickymasterWork> can you check something for me really quick?
[08:43] <slickymasterWork> if the rss feed url in http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfpm-docs:bugs is the correct one
[08:43] <knome> that doesn't look like an rss feed url :)
[08:43] <knome> oh, something in that
[08:44]  * knome hides
[08:44] <slickymasterWork> I mean the one in the "Open Bugreports" section knome 
[08:44] <slickymasterWork> and good morning to you 
[08:45] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: yes, that looks correct
[08:45] <slickymasterWork> ok, thanks ochosi 
[08:45] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: give me a sec, i'll rename a page...
[08:46] <slickymasterWork> dkessel, SkippersBoss, thanks for stepping in and helping with the german and the dutch translations of the documentation. It's appreciated
[08:48] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: ok, the page has been moved now
[08:48] <ochosi> and i've listed it here now: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=start
[08:48] <ochosi> so ppl can easily find it
[08:49] <ochosi> (now you can actually navigate back and forth between the xfpm pages)
[08:49] <slickymasterWork> so knome, the menulibre strings were already uploaded by bluesabre if I understood it correctly
[08:49] <slickymasterWork> yeah ochosi, saw that
[08:52] <knome> slickymasterWork, doesn't look like translatable yet :)
[08:56] <slickymasterWork> haven´t checked it yet knome 
[08:56] <slickymasterWork> and following your lead, won«t check it now
[09:00] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: if you need help or guidance wrt xfpm docs lemme know
[09:00] <slickymasterWork> don't doubt that I will ochosi
[09:00] <ochosi> just as a note
[09:00] <ochosi> the getting started section will almost go away
[09:00] <slickymasterWork> thing is that I'll have to do most of it at home. Don't have any laptops over here at work :P
[09:01] <ochosi> only a few cli options will remain i thikn
[09:01] <ochosi> sure :)
[09:01] <ochosi> basically we need one screenshot per tab for the settings dialog
[09:01] <ochosi> ideally if you have a device that shows up in xfpm, that'd be good for the screenshot
[09:01] <ochosi> if not, i can do that part
[09:01] <slickymasterWork> you're going to have to do it for sure, I don't have one
[09:02] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: perhaps the Getting Started section should be renamed then
[09:03] <ochosi> nah, it's fine
[09:03] <ochosi> actually i just copied over the part that we might still want from the old docs
[09:03] <slickymasterWork> ok
[09:04] <ochosi> so you don't have to worry about that page anymore
[09:04] <ochosi> i'll ask eric whether he wants anything else there
[09:04] <slickymasterWork> yeaps :)
[09:04] <slickymasterWork> two down, three to go
[09:08] <ochosi> the FAQ is also done for now
[09:08] <ochosi> don't worry about that
[09:08] <ochosi> so basically the plugin and the settings dialog and that's it
[09:11]  * slickymasterWork think that it's great when ochosi takes the xub -docs responsibility under his wing 
[09:12] <knome> hah
[09:12] <knome> ochosi, what about the german docs translation? ;)
[09:12] <slickymasterWork> yeah, since you're at it
[09:13] <slickymasterWork> I'm hoping that dkessel will surprise us knome
[09:13] <knome> heh
[09:13] <knome> maybe..
[09:13] <slickymasterWork> on the german translation
[09:13] <ochosi> knome: my day also only has 24hrs
[09:13] <ochosi> knome: what about the wallpaper? ;)
[09:13] <slickymasterWork> well, at least the call did rise some interest 
[09:13] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: i'm trying, but can only help so much. need to fix more bugs in xfpm probably...
[09:14] <knome> ochosi, my day only has 24 hours... ;)
[09:14] <slickymasterWork> yeah ochosi you could make a deal with knome. You promise to get the german translation done by the time he has the wallpaper done
[09:14] <knome> lately, most of the time i have seems to go to trying to catch several hosting providers who simply DO NOT REPLY
[09:15] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: hah, well i'm afraid that that'll be a bad deal for me :D how many strings are there?
[09:15] <knome> ochosi, like 800+...
[09:15] <ochosi> riiiiight...
[09:15] <ochosi> :)
[09:16] <knome> yeah, but 1920x1200 is a lot of pixels!
[09:16]  * ochosi knows that knome doesn't draw with pixels
[09:16] <knome> how do you know that? ;>
[09:16] <knome> maybe i changed the style for this one after you called my mouse a cat!
[09:16] <ochosi> haha
[09:17] <Unit193> s/cat/bunny/
[09:17]  * slickymasterWork almost pulled that one
[09:17] <slickymasterWork> hey Unit193 
[09:18] <knome> ochosi, is it better that it looks like a cow?
[09:18] <slickymasterWork> o/
[09:18] <ochosi> knome: possibly :)
[09:18] <knome> hah
[09:18] <dkessel> knome i hope i will be able to do the german translation - the part i am wondering about is whether it will get reviewed in time...
[09:19] <slickymasterWork> hmm a former XPL and the actual XPL flooding the channel
[09:19] <knome> well, we're building the community :P
[09:20] <ochosi> hehe
[09:20] <ochosi> dkessel: i can help a bit with reviewing
[09:20] <slickymasterWork> dkessel: why don't you apply to the german translators team in LP?
[09:20] <knome> ochosi, added meeting to calendar
[09:21] <slickymasterWork> that way you'd be able to translate in reviewer mode
[09:21] <ochosi> knome: ta
[09:21] <dkessel> slickymasterWork: i did yesterday ;)
[09:21] <ochosi> ok, gotta take off for a bit, bbl
[09:22] <slickymasterWork> great, lets hope that you'll have an answer fast enough
[09:22] <slickymasterWork> have fun ochosi 
[09:22] <bluesabre> XTL joins the battle
[09:22] <bluesabre> morning guys
[09:22] <Unit193> Howdy, bluesabre.
[09:23] <slickymasterWork> morning bluesabre 
[09:23] <ochosi> oha, hey bluesabre 
[09:23] <SkippersBoss> Morning
[09:23] <bluesabre> anything I can help with this morning?
[09:23] <ochosi> that so many of you are here now gives me hope for next week's meeting :)
[09:24] <slickymasterWork> morning SkippersBoss 
[09:25] <SkippersBoss> ochosi, think again. /me just on a day off
[09:25] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork, knome: new menulibre strings should be in the archive now
[09:25] <SkippersBoss> doing some translating 
[09:25]  * slickymasterWork checks
[09:25] <bluesabre> menulibre (2.0.5-1ubuntu1)
[09:27] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre: still seeing the old strings
[09:27]  * bluesabre updates vm
[09:30] <Unit193> Also, RSVP'ing to not be at the meeting.
[09:32] <ochosi> bluesabre: you pinged me last night, anything specific?
[09:32] <ochosi> (also, thanks for updating your dokuwiki)
[09:32] <ochosi> (looks very cleaned up and useful now)
[09:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: re, no workspace switcher and no drag windows, do we still want multiple workspaces?
[09:33] <bluesabre> thanks, I thought that theme was significantly nicer
[09:33] <slickymasterWork> +1 bluesabre 
[09:33] <bluesabre> I might do a bit of work for some of the other CSS in there eventually
[09:37] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: http://i.imgur.com/MiXl0di.png
[09:39] <slickymasterWork> I meant in LP bluesabre -> https://translations.launchpad.net/menulibre
[09:40] <bluesabre> crap
[09:40] <bluesabre> one sec
[09:40] <Unit193> You have to share your pot with LP.
[09:41] <slickymasterWork> yes
[09:43] <brainwash> seeing the "use startup notifcation" option in the screenshot of menulibre makes me wonder.. did anyone notice that a busy cursor is now shown when some slow app like libreoffice or firefox is launching?
[09:43] <brainwash> (utopic)
[09:43] <bluesabre> brainwash: your patch was rolled into the latest greeter
[09:43] <bluesabre> :)
[09:44] <brainwash> yeah, but does it actually work for anyone else?
[09:44] <brainwash> it did for me (months ago)
[09:44] <ochosi> bluesabre: i guess we could try to reduce them to 1 for 14.10 since we provide no easy way (apart from the desktop middle-click menu and some kb-shortcuts) to switch between workspaces. and then see whether there's feedback about that at all...
[09:45] <knome> ochosi, was scroll on desktop disabled by default?
[09:45] <ochosi> knome: yup, should be
[09:45] <knome> mhm
[09:45] <ochosi> that was the most disruptive option anyway
[09:45] <brainwash> having 1+ workspaces is a nice linux thingy, I'm pretty sure that people will complain about it
[09:46] <brainwash> ^ talking about the default configuration
[09:46] <Unit193> Thought we saw one already.
[09:47] <knome> i think argumenting with "is a nice linux thingy" is bollocks
[09:47] <knome> also, "i'm pretty sure..." is nonsense
[09:47] <brainwash> meh
[09:49] <ochosi> i agree with knome there
[09:49] <knome> i don't mind disagreeing with other people, but i'd like to see some valid/not-nonsense arguments
[09:49] <dkessel> tbh i disabled multiplace workspaces on every xp -> xubuntu migration i did since april...
[09:49] <brainwash> is there any need to remove the 2nd workspace?
[09:50] <knome> unless it can be well proven that doing thing X generates negative feedback (like we know adding an amazon search by default to catfish would), it's not a valid argument to say "i'm pretty sure.." or similar
[09:50] <knome> brainwash, if a user for any reason ended up in another workspace, and didn't understand what happened, it's very confusing.
[09:51] <ochosi> i already said why actually...
[09:51] <knome> now THAT'S a fair/valid argument imo
[09:51] <dkessel> if switching workspaces generated some kind of graphical feedback for novice users, i would say keep it... but the way it is... ;)
[09:51] <bluesabre> ooh, amazon search in catfish...
[09:51] <ochosi> dkessel: there's a patch for that. maybe i'll fix it up and we can ship it in xubuntu if upstream doesn't want it
[09:51] <brainwash> yeah, we did remove the workspaces switcher in the panel by default
[09:51] <brainwash> the "visual feedback"
[09:52] <bluesabre> knome, slickymasterWork: figured out the issue, forgot to update the translation template
[09:52] <knome> even a notification that the workspace is switched would be suboptimal... if you don't understand the term workspace, or don't know how to get back to the original one
[09:52] <ochosi> (although i'd first have to find the patch)
[09:52] <bluesabre> it will probably hit launchpad in ~1 hour
[09:52] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre: ta
[09:52] <knome> bluesabre, poor launchpad
[09:53] <bluesabre> launchpad says : <timeout>
[09:54] <slickymasterWork> lol, that's usual bluesabre 
[09:54] <knome> tbh, to me it sounds like a bad idea to maintain more code (and potentially/probably carry a delta) to make a portion of users happy, instead of just dropping to one workspace and let those who want more, enable them themselves
[09:54]  * knome wonders what the "unusual bluesabre" is then
[09:55]  * bluesabre thinks its bluesabre at a party
[09:55] <knome> a political party?
[09:56]  * slickymasterWork was thinking if knome wouldn't say anything :P
[09:56] <bluesabre> in america, every party is political
[09:59] <knome> hah
[10:00] <knome> i hope at least every political party is..
[10:00] <ochosi> ok, gotta take off now, hf everyone!
[10:04] <brainwash> knome: if a user accidentally switched workspaces and gets confused, wouldn't that also be an argument for re-adding the workspace switcher back to the panel?
[10:05] <knome> brainwash, what if they don't understand what the workspace switcher is for, or do not acknowledge that it has something to do with the issue?
[10:08] <knome> bringing the workspace switcher back doesn't completely fix the (potential) issue
[10:08] <brainwash> but why is this a new problem in 2014?
[10:08] <Unit193> Who knows.
[10:08] <knome> it isn't, but we don't have enough manpower to consider every little detail for each release.
[10:08] <brainwash> the concept of the workspace switcher
[10:09] <knome> brainwash, can you try to be a bit more constructive?
[10:09] <knome> brainwash, please argument why you think it would be better to have the workspaces than not.
[10:09] <brainwash> I'm trying to rescue the other workspaces, but I'm dong a bad job apparently :(
[10:09] <knome> why would the regular user want 1+ workspaces?
[10:09] <SkippersBoss> euh
[10:10] <knome> what's the benefit of keeping 1+ workspaces?
[10:10] <SkippersBoss> Guys, not to put oil on fire here, but I l;ike the multiple work spaces
[10:10] <brainwash> do we have any data about this?
[10:10] <knome> data?
[10:10] <brainwash> what the user wants/needs?
[10:10] <SkippersBoss> Personal preference I agree
[10:10] <knome> brainwash, of course not.
[10:11] <knome> this discussion is leading nowhere...
[10:11] <SkippersBoss> but that's what it is personal preference. Is the majority of the users aware of the multiple workspaces and do they care
[10:11] <SkippersBoss> Nope
[10:11] <bluesabre> its not possible to design for personal preference
[10:12] <knome> there are arguments for dropping the additional workspaces.
[10:12] <bluesabre> (btw, package pushed, dropped additional workspaces)
[10:12] <knome> there aren't arguments for keeping the additional workspaces, except "i like them", or "i think most users like them", which aren't substantial 
[10:12] <bluesabre> should be available in the dailies tomorrow, so we'll get feedback from all the awesome testing we get
[10:13] <knome> bluesabre, cheers.
[10:13] <SkippersBoss> Argument is personal preference for the users. Some users like to use them others couldnot be bothered
[10:14] <SkippersBoss> First thing i setup in a new installation is the work spaces
[10:14] <knome> right, so you do it anyway
[10:14] <knome> even if we had 2 by defauly
[10:14] <SkippersBoss> Yep
[10:14] <knome> so, you know how to do it anyway
[10:14] <bluesabre> anyway, we have time to change this back... since there was no visual indicator they existed, we can add or drop basically throughout the cycle, unless we talk about it in the docs
[10:14] <SkippersBoss> As long as I can put it in after
[10:14] <SkippersBoss> I am not bothered 
[10:15] <knome> SkippersBoss, of course, nobody is talking about dropping the feature for good, just a default setting
[10:15] <SkippersBoss> And I think the majority of users restore this feature when needed
[10:15] <SkippersBoss> I think 1 workspace would be ok as the default setting
[10:16] <SkippersBoss> makes life simple
[10:16] <knome> brainwash, if you have an argument for keeping the workspaces/adding them back, i'd be happy to hear them
[10:16] <brainwash> I got no valid ones :/
[10:16] <SkippersBoss> that done then
[10:17] <Unit193> 1. It's a feature that allows a user to categorize running applications.  2. Can be used for higher productivity.  3. An indicator features like this are useful would be Firefox getting a feature just like this.  4. Another plus, they now have different wallpaper per workspace now.
[10:18] <Unit193> And I don't care now, things are changed and it's pretty clear they aren't going back, so no point.
[10:18] <brainwash> but we are talking about the default config only
[10:20] <bluesabre> and its subject to change per discussion :)
[10:20] <SkippersBoss> Unit193, What Knome is saying that the people who are using this feature will set it up themselves. They do anyway.
[10:20] <brainwash> if a user doesn't know about workspace, then he'll just miss a feature
[10:20] <SkippersBoss> At least I do
[10:20] <brainwash> workspaces
[10:20] <bluesabre> or wonder where their windows went
[10:20] <Unit193> SkippersBoss: I read that, and people that want firefox could install that, we could remove that as well.
[10:21] <SkippersBoss> but if only 1 workspace is selected by default windows stay put
[10:21] <brainwash> so the discussion continues...
[10:21] <knome> Unit193, i agree the feature is useful, but jumping into another workspace by accident is meh
[10:23] <brainwash> the current situation is similar for firefox with a hidden tab bar, the user might accidentally open/switch to a new tab and get confused
[10:23] <bluesabre> I'd suggest we review the default config leading up to the meeting next week and start a discussion on it... there might be some settings we want to further tweak or revert, and we can get all the details together for then
[10:24] <bluesabre> since we can't get everyone together for one meeting, I'd suggest starting a [TEAM] thread on the ML :)
[10:25] <knome> bluesabre, that, plus please add the issue to the meeting agenda
[10:25] <bluesabre> yup, doing so now
[10:26] <knome> bluesabre, except that the tab bar is/becomes visible by default when you open a new tab, so there is clear visual reference to both the old and new tab
[10:26] <knome> brainwash, ^
[10:26] <brainwash> ah I see
[10:27] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: as I'm on it, I'm going to add the rest of the command-line options to the Getting Started section
[10:30] <bluesabre> knome, slickymasterWork, ochosi: translation template updated: https://translations.launchpad.net/menulibre
[10:30] <bluesabre> I'll do another translations release on Sunday evening.
[10:31] <knome> aha, so no reason to go translating now ;)
[10:31] <bluesabre> er
[10:31] <bluesabre> tonight
[10:31] <knome> heh
[10:31] <knome> okay...
[10:31] <bluesabre> 5 hours
[10:31] <bluesabre> O.o
[10:31] <knome> so no reason to go translating in the next 5 hours :P
[10:31] <bluesabre> anyway, time to head out
[10:31] <bluesabre> bbl
[10:32] <knome> hf
[10:32] <slickymasterWork> ah ah 
[10:32] <slickymasterWork> have fun bluesabre 
[11:32] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: ftr I'll be using in the xfpm docs the screenshot standardization we decided in http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds so that all screenshots look the same
[11:48] <elfy> mmm - more dumbing down coming to Xubuntu I see
[11:51] <brainwash> dumping down?
[11:51] <elfy> dumbing
[11:52] <brainwash> aah, now I understand
[11:53] <brainwash> elfy: can you please check if bug 1066314 is fixed in trusty?
[11:54] <brainwash> you will have to enable the tray icon of xfce4-power-manager
[11:54] <elfy> can't have no trusty installed with a battery anymore
[11:54] <brainwash> :(
[11:54] <brainwash> no trusty at all?
[11:54] <elfy> someone has to test milestones
[11:55] <brainwash> I think that you can force the tray icon to be visible all the time
[11:55] <brainwash> regardless of having a battery
[11:55] <elfy> I'll try and remember to boot trusty on here at some point - might be easier to get someone else in team who's still running it normally to look
[11:55] <brainwash> wait, so you've upgraded all your systems to utopic? :D
[11:56] <brainwash> ok then
[11:56] <elfy> I've got one on here that gets booted so often than last time it has 400Mb updates 
[11:56] <bluesabre> so, every 3 days?
[11:57] <elfy> or when utopic was broken
[11:57] <bluesabre> oh wait, trusty
[11:57] <elfy> lol
[11:58] <brainwash> or utopic, does the new tray icon have a "help" menu entry?
[11:59] <elfy> yes
[11:59] <bluesabre> which tray icon?
[11:59] <brainwash> and does it open anything?
[11:59] <elfy> anything else - then I can remove it again
[11:59] <elfy> the battery one bluesabre 
[11:59] <bluesabre> no help button there
[11:59] <elfy> not a button no - a menu help entry
[11:59] <bluesabre> s/button/menu entry
[12:00] <elfy> on right click 
[12:00] <bluesabre> oh
[12:00] <bluesabre> that one does work at least
[12:00] <brainwash> it opens the wiki page in your web browser?
[12:00] <elfy> yea
[12:01] <brainwash> ok, thanks for checking
[12:01] <elfy> s'ok
[12:02] <elfy> wish me luck ... kernel upgrading 
[12:03] <bluesabre> bye elfy
[12:03] <bluesabre> :D
[12:03] <elfy> let's see if nvidia works afterwards ... 
[12:03] <elfy> :p
[12:04] <Unit193> Guess you didn't see it: [18:18:58] < Unit193> elfy, forestpiskie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1363675  I decided to track down the problem,  identified a suspected application, was going to downgrade to test but saw they just released a new version fixing that. :P
[12:04] <elfy> Unit193: I didn't see you - I saw that :)
[12:05] <Unit193> Ah.
[12:05] <elfy> I got that fix last night - working ok now here - just got -12 kernel 
[12:05] <elfy> brb
[12:05] <elfy> perhaps
[12:07] <elfy> \o/
[12:07] <Luyin> hi elfy 
[12:08] <elfy> hi Luyin 
[12:08] <bluesabre> if we want, we can discuss the defaults on etherpad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/diA31J1P9e  I've not populated it yet, but will work on doing so... should be easier to keep track of everything too
[12:09] <elfy> I'll not bother - seems that my opinions are always at odds with everyone who wants to make it simpler
[12:09] <bluesabre> (at least in the super short term)
[12:10] <elfy> tbh all I want is people to test for us - and I can't even get people in -team to do that
[12:10] <bluesabre> yeah
[12:11] <Unit193> I keep running into unfiled bugs every time I do. :/
[12:11] <elfy> everyone has always got a reason not to do it 
[12:11] <brainwash> be the first one to file a report then :P
[12:12] <elfy> mine is getting close to I just can't be bothered with it anymore
[12:12] <elfy> sick to death of -team never reporting at milestones
[12:13] <brainwash> is xubuntu not that popular anymore?
[12:13] <brainwash> outside of -team
[12:13] <elfy> no idea
[12:13] <elfy> from the support things I see about I would guess so
[12:13] <Unit193> brainwash: I greatly dislike filing reports, so having to every time is annoying.
[12:14] <Unit193> Yeah, #x is maintaining being larger than it used to be.
[12:14] <elfy> there's an uptick in [xubuntu] on the forum for sure
[12:14] <Unit193> elfy: Still though, since I have utopic on a couple now, and since you gave the hint about filing those reports, figured shouldn't be hard to knock a few out.
[12:15] <elfy> thanks 
[12:15] <Unit193> (Wasn't filed in LP or Debian, but luckily Xfce's bugzilla had it.)
[12:16] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[12:16] <elfy> 5 from team reported against the beta milestone and 4 others reported
[12:16] <elfy> cya bluesabre 
[12:17] <bluesabre> development and uploads are slowing down, should have more time for dailies and package testing
[12:17] <elfy> you're one of the 5 
[12:17] <elfy> ;)
[12:18] <elfy> and I shouldn't really count the QA lead nor XPL - which makes it even more depressing
[12:18] <Unit193> I normally slap bluesabre in the head when things break, not so much report them as bugs for more paperwork (and as such, no tracker report as I'm "using", not "testing", but I'm working on it...)
[12:18] <elfy> yea - but if you're using it you ARE testing it 
[12:18] <elfy> anyway - lunch over - back later
[13:08] <Unit193> xubuntu-docs, xubuntu-default-settings, and xubuntu-artwork anything else?
[14:57] <GridCube> :D translation to spanish jumped to 67.3%
[14:58] <slickymasterWork> \o/
[14:58] <slickymasterWork> kudos GridCube 
[14:59] <GridCube> :)
[15:00] <slickymasterWork> just 12.7% left to make it shippable 
[15:01] <GridCube> :)
[15:01] <GridCube> i think i can do that
[15:01]  * slickymasterWork knows that GridCube can
[15:18] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: ping
[15:20] <slickymasterWork> I think I came across a potential bug in xfpm 1.3.2
[15:21] <slickymasterWork> in the 'System tab' when change the value of the 'Put system to sleep when...' slider, its label is unable to properly output the respective value 
[15:22] <slickymasterWork> see these: http://imagebin.org/318613 and http://imagebin.org/318614
[15:22] <slickymasterWork> do you think that a bug should be raised, both in LP and upstream?
[15:31] <slickymasterWork> oh and another thing ochosi, in order for a user be able to change the values in the 'System tab', xfce4-power-manager has to be started with elevated privileges, so we're might facing the need for yet one more pkexec policy file 
[15:31] <slickymasterWork> s/might/might be
[16:29] <slickymasterWork> darn connection
[16:30] <elfy> lol
[16:32] <elfy> slickymasterWork: you sure about priveleges for xfpm? it starts fine from terminal and the menu entry doesn't appear to use any elevated privileges
[16:34] <slickymasterWork> in my box if I open it normally all the objects in the 'System' tab are disabled
[16:34] <elfy> definitely something up with the label though 
[16:34] <slickymasterWork> the only way to access, and use, them is starting with elevated privileges 
[16:34] <elfy> I've got mine saying 4 houNever :)
[16:35] <slickymasterWork> yeah, it starts to overlap, when you move the slider down
[16:35] <elfy> yea - works fine if you make the dialogue bigger 
[16:35] <elfy> slickymasterWork: you done a bug for it?
[16:36] <elfy> if not I'll do one now
[16:36] <slickymasterWork> no, still waiting on ochosi pov
[16:36] <slickymasterWork> do you think we should go ahead and file it?
[16:36] <elfy> filing it now - needs to be trackable 
[16:37] <slickymasterWork> do you want me do the one upstream'
[16:37] <slickymasterWork> ?
[16:37] <elfy> doing that at the same time 
[16:38] <slickymasterWork> damn, elfy is fast
[16:38] <slickymasterWork> ;)
[16:44] <elfy> bug 1364505
[16:44] <slickymasterWork> and the one in bugzilla
[16:44] <slickymasterWork> ?
[16:45] <elfy> xfce 11129
[16:45] <slickymasterWork> nevermind I'm seeing it now
[16:45] <elfy> :)
[16:46] <slickymasterWork> now I'm puzzled as to why I have to start xfpm with elevated privileges and you don't elfy 
[16:46] <slickymasterWork> ochosi ^^^ any ideas?
[16:46] <elfy> so if you start it from a terminal - you don't get the System tab usable?
[16:46] <slickymasterWork> nopes
[16:48] <elfy> mmm
[16:48] <elfy> no idea I'm afraid - bbl
[16:49] <slickymasterWork> the happens when clicking its Icon in the system tray and choosing the “Power manager settings…“ option.
[16:49] <slickymasterWork> + same
[16:50] <elfy> works here
[16:55] <slickymasterWork> maybe an odd config somewhere in my setup
[17:49] <brainwash> elfy: what's the benefit of linking your xfpm bug to 14.10 new features?
[18:36] <elfy> brainwash: linked somewhere and I couldn't find anywhere else logical and I'm not really worried
[18:37] <brainwash> I'm just being curious :)
[18:37] <elfy> move it