[01:40] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: apachelogger what are those bug fixes that the Google+ account was talking about?
[04:03] <ScottK> Riddell: If you could look at approving Bug #1364710 with your release team hat on, I'd appreciate it.
[07:36] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:40] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:40] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[11:47] <soee> someone said on main channel that cant upgrade kde-connect on trusty (backposrts enabled) due to lower priority of newer version ?
[12:32] <apachelogger> PPA exceeded its size limit (2165.00 of 2048.00 MiB)
[12:33] <apachelogger> uff
[12:33] <apachelogger>      353 binary packages (2.0 GiB)
[12:33] <apachelogger> well that seems excessive
[12:34] <apachelogger> and for some reason my system decided that my time should be UTC
[12:35] <shadeslayer> UTC is the best
[12:37] <soee> :) my laptop since few days from time to time sets my time in bios -2 hours :?
[12:39] <yofel> it shouldn't unless you use windows...
[12:40] <apachelogger> yeah that's when one OS thinks the bios time should be UTC and the other thinks it should be local
[13:24] <Quintasan> Lel
[13:24] <Quintasan> I got keys to my new flat
[13:24] <Quintasan> The walking distance to the uni is like 3 minutes
[13:25] <shadeslayer> hurray
[13:25] <Quintasan> No more annoying bus commutes 
[13:25] <Quintasan> More time to waste sleeping or something 
[13:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: also, 3 mins back to your home .... 
[13:25] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:25] <Quintasan> Splendid 
[13:26] <Quintasan> Now I have no excuse not to come home after lectures and work on stuff 
[13:27] <Quintasan> I can even connect to campus wireless network from the room lol 
[13:29] <Quintasan> Great success. 
[13:30] <shadeslayer> hah
[13:35] <shadeslayer> d_ed: pingly
[13:36] <shadeslayer> much fun, ISO broke again because of ubiquity-dm
[13:36] <shadeslayer> d_ed: does sddm take into account already running X servers?
[13:36] <d_ed> erm possibly not
[13:37] <d_ed> that might be the logind issue too.
[13:37] <shadeslayer> nah can't be
[13:37] <shadeslayer> because there we just directly boot to sddm
[13:38] <shadeslayer> but with ubiquity-dm in the picuture, X starts on VT7
[13:38] <shadeslayer> and then when you hit "Try Kubuntu" it tries to start sddm
[13:38] <shadeslayer> I think
[13:38] <d_ed> hmm, it does have code that searches for unused VTs
[13:39] <d_ed> it'll be in the logs as:         qDebug() << "Adding new display" << displayId << "on vt" << terminalId << "...";
[13:39] <shadeslayer> I have no logs :S
[13:39] <shadeslayer> le empty file
[13:39] <shadeslayer> d_ed: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/pending/utopic-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:39] <shadeslayer> in case you want to check it out
[13:39]  * shadeslayer looks at ubiquity-dm
[13:50] <Riddell> guten dias
[13:51] <Riddell> I can't speak german, it just comes out as Spanish!
[13:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: fwiw ubiquity-dm broke plasma 5 ISO again
[13:54] <shadeslayer> idk how
[13:54] <shadeslayer> why
[13:54] <shadeslayer> it doesn't make any sense
[13:54] <Riddell> fooey
[13:55] <shadeslayer> it worked
[13:55] <shadeslayer> yesterday
[13:55] <Riddell> I know :(
[13:55] <apachelogger> twas darth vader
[13:55] <Riddell> this is just the sort of thing I'm worried about in canonical's move away from community made software, we'll get stuck on something fiddly like this
[13:55] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: when u arrive in brno
[13:55] <apachelogger> also how
[13:55] <apachelogger> also spaceships
[13:55] <shadeslayer> spaceships
[13:55] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:55] <shadeslayer> on wheels
[13:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: in a few hours, I'm enjoying austria's finest cuisine just now
[13:56] <shadeslayer> I arrive on the 4th
[13:56] <apachelogger> also I don't think I have Riddell's catalunyan numba
[13:56] <shadeslayer> lunchish time
[13:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: jriddell.org/contact.html
[13:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah, lovely
[13:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: gracias
[13:56]  * shadeslayer wonders if USN offers XML feeds
[13:56] <apachelogger> xml...
[13:57] <shadeslayer> s/xml/rss/
[13:57] <kubotu> shadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[13:57] <Riddell> this Austrian Double Royal with criss cross fries is a paticular delight
[13:57] <shadeslayer> bugger off kubotu
[13:57] <shadeslayer> yes 
[13:57] <shadeslayer> yes it does
[13:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: lol, u go to austria and eat at mcdo?
[13:57] <shadeslayer> I should totally write a neonBot plugin
[13:57] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[13:57] <apachelogger> information leakage!!!!!!!!!
[13:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what u got against kubotu?
[13:58] <apachelogger> except the fact that I think the trello plugin still has a bug
[13:58] <shadeslayer> kubotu plugin then
[13:58] <shadeslayer> idk
[13:58] <shadeslayer> plugins
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: since it has a RSS feed, I can automate firefox shizzle a bit more
[13:59] <shadeslayer> instead of having it on cron
[13:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: yo good man, what's wrong with u
[13:59] <kubotu> hi, apachelogger
[13:59] <shadeslayer> he's drunk
[13:59] <apachelogger> why screw u kubotu
[13:59] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:59] <apachelogger> I am reasonable certain it didn't work the other day
[13:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: where else could I find that great Austrian tradition the McSundae with karamell?
[13:59] <apachelogger> maybe the time stamp stuff has a corner case bug
[14:00] <apachelogger> cuz the only way for kubotu not to get data is if the server doesn't return anything and that probably only happens if the timestamps are off by a bit
[14:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does it still fail if you stop and start sddm like I did in testing?
[14:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: ....
[14:00] <apachelogger> I am left without words
[14:01] <apachelogger> wellsies
[14:01] <apachelogger> I am arriving at the train station at 16:37 apparently
[14:02] <shadeslayer> yeah I'm arriving before you 
[14:02] <shadeslayer> meet you at the hostel
[14:02] <apachelogger> also apparently I am on the same train as krake, and maybe there'll even be a bistro, why it is entirely possible that I might be drunk
[14:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not staying at the hostel, I am staying at the other place 5 minutes away :P
[14:02] <apachelogger> but yeah
[14:02] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:02] <apachelogger> dinner we shall, I'll give someone a ring
[14:02] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:02]  * shadeslayer does not like the new maroon 5 album
[14:03]  * apachelogger does not like maroon 5
[14:03] <apachelogger> it's like every song is the same, like so much the same, like only the lyrics are different
[14:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yep
[14:04] <shadeslayer> their current album is quite alot like their last one
[14:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: stopping ubiquity and restarting sddm works
[14:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bah, that explains why my testing worked
[14:04] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:04] <shadeslayer> makes me think ubiquity issue
[14:04] <apachelogger> makes me think sddm issue
[14:05] <apachelogger> sddm is an issue.
[14:05] <shadeslayer> actually 
[14:05] <shadeslayer> could be
[14:05] <shadeslayer> I have 2 X's
[14:05] <apachelogger> does it not insist on starting on tty1 yet?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> d_ed: so, sddm forces X on tty1
[14:05] <shadeslayer> plz to fix
[14:05] <apachelogger> because I actually think that is pretty jolly bad from a platform POV if we have some systems on tty1 and others on tty7
[14:05] <apachelogger> also makes support harder than it needs to be
[14:06] <shadeslayer> it could very well be that ubiquity goes bonkers when it can't find X on tty7 
[14:06] <apachelogger> meby
[14:06]  * apachelogger is outraged by the austrian railways not being able to offer online ticketing from brno to austria
[14:07] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8223786/
[14:16] <shadeslayer> yofel:  y u idle in #opensuse-kde :O
[14:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[14:16]  * Riddell release dude for plasma and needs to coordinate with packagers
[14:16] <yofel> syping on other distros? :P
[14:17] <shadeslayer> ^ so who are you spying for :p
[14:17] <yofel> us? although I pay more attention to fedora than opensuse
[14:18] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:22] <apachelogger> the more interesting question is why shadeslayer is in opensuse-kde so he knows that yofel and Riddell are there.........
[14:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I was looking for someone
[14:22] <shadeslayer> whose nick I don't remember
[14:23] <yofel> now that's very helpful, isn't it? :D
[14:24] <shadeslayer> well, I know he idled in #opensuse-kde
[14:29]  * apachelogger nods very slowly
[14:31] <BluesKaj> the opensuse chat was full of juveys when I tried the OS a few yrs back
[14:32] <BluesKaj> was no place to get help at the time.. totally hopeless
[14:33] <BluesKaj> not like the adult attitude I see in here everyday :)
[14:40] <shadeslayer> what adult attitude
[14:40] <BluesKaj> so how is the plasma 5 iso. Is it stable and working ok ?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> well, I broke it yesterday
[14:42] <shadeslayer> needs me and d_ed to sit together and debug it I think
[14:42] <BluesKaj> ok shadeslayer , crashing freezing etc</
[14:43] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> the occassional crash, yeah
[14:43] <shadeslayer> but I think all of them were fixed in 5.1
[14:44] <BluesKaj> didn't run too well on this intel gpu laptop or on the nvidiagpu desktop either
[14:53] <shadeslayer> I really should get a SSD on this thing
[14:53] <shadeslayer> even switching tabs in firefox is slow at times
[14:55] <BluesKaj> ff is becoming somewhat bloated again..noticed slow loading on  the desktop pc ...this laptop is fast with practically everything
[14:56] <BluesKaj> still 
[14:58] <shadeslayer> I switched to CFQ a few hours ago
[14:59] <shadeslayer> lets see what happens
[15:04] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,  CFQ?
[15:05] <shadeslayer> a io scheduler that supports IO niceness
[15:22] <shadeslayer> d_ed: poke, mind looking at the end of http://paste.ubuntu.com/8224245
[15:22] <shadeslayer> Qt5 be crashering
[15:22] <shadeslayer> much fun
[15:23] <shadeslayer> could the greeter be using kactivitymanager?
[15:34] <apachelogger> we have put activities in your greeter, so you can have a prn activity without login
[15:44] <snele> shadeslayer: do you plan to backport scheduler changes to 14.04?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> I am unsure
[15:45] <shadeslayer> snele: I want to see what happens with 14.10 first
[15:45] <snele> shadeslayer: ok
[15:46] <shadeslayer> I am unsure if it would be wise to backport it for 14.04 though, need to check what would be the impact
[15:47] <snele> shadeslayer: is there easy way to make a change to from deadline to CFQ? I can test it on 14.04 
[15:47] <shadeslayer> echo cfq > /sys/block/sdX/queue/scheduler
[15:47] <shadeslayer> for a one time change
[15:47] <snele> ok thanks
[15:48] <shadeslayer> for a permanent change, change your boot parameters to accept elevator=cfq
[15:48] <shadeslayer> or add this file : /etc/udev/rules.d/60-ssd-scheduler.rules
[15:48] <shadeslayer> with this line : ACTION=="add|change", KERNEL=="sd[a-z]", ATTR{queue/rotational}=="1",ATTR{queue/scheduler}="cfq"
[15:50] <snele> heh just realised that first thing that I do when I install Kubuntu is to turn off nepomuk/baloo so probably I am not effected by this scheduler change
[15:54] <BluesKaj> and not enable akonadi 
[15:55] <BluesKaj> what pita those 2 apps are 
[15:57] <apachelogger>  stop whining go fix it
[16:04] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, i did ...it's still a pain to have to deal with useless default apps that most home users don't need.
[16:06] <BluesKaj> anyway stuff to do... bbl
[16:09] <shadeslayer> argh
[16:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[16:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/183945400/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.firefox_32.0%2Bbuild1-0ubuntu0.14.04.2~ppa1~trusty1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any clue where the redefinition is happening?
[17:14] <shadeslayer> bollocks
[17:14] <shadeslayer> this makes no sense
[17:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: missing include guards?
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why does amd64 build then
[17:34] <shadeslayer> building firefox is rocket science I tells ya
[17:34] <apachelogger> maybe the second include is in a platform specific ifdef
[17:34] <apachelogger>                  from /build/buildd/firefox-32.0+build1/obj-i686-linux-gnu/uriloader/exthandler/Unified_cpp_uriloader_exthandler0.cpp:54: <- first include of nsKDERegistry.h
[17:34] <apachelogger>                  from /build/buildd/firefox-32.0+build1/obj-i686-linux-gnu/uriloader/exthandler/Unified_cpp_uriloader_exthandler0.cpp:80: <- second include
[17:34] <apachelogger> second causes redef because include guards don't work, are not there or whatever
[17:35] <apachelogger> doesn't quite explain why nsCommonRegistry gets redeffed though, doesn't like that is coming from the patch anyway
[17:35] <shadeslayer> that file is generated
[17:35] <apachelogger> the header is not
[17:35] <apachelogger> which is where the include guards would be missing or failing or whatever
[17:35] <shadeslayer> hm
[17:35] <shadeslayer> ah well
[17:35] <shadeslayer> lets add header guards
[17:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also, this builds on precise btw
[17:36] <apachelogger> you should be able to include the same file 30000000 times without a redef issue
[17:36] <shadeslayer> same patches
[17:36] <apachelogger> that means nutin
[17:36] <shadeslayer> kk
[17:36] <apachelogger> could be ifdef gcc_version_balls && gcc_i386
[17:37] <apachelogger> since it's autogen'd unless you make a local build we'll never know why it falls over dead only on trusty i386, but I am reasonable certain the ultimate cause is malfunctioning include guards
[17:42] <shadeslayer> probably
[18:04] <apachelogger> yofel: did you really make this recipe a year ago https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon5-plasmate
[18:04] <apachelogger> I totally don't remember plasmate being in the package pool :O
[18:06] <yofel> I have a vague memory that I did... yes
[18:06] <apachelogger> most peculiar
[18:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, yofel ^ any objections to axeing plasmate from neon?
[18:07] <apachelogger> considering neon might get deprecated for the time being anyway
[18:07] <yofel> nope
[18:07] <apachelogger> don't want to spend time adding new stuff ^^
[18:07] <shadeslayer> *shrug*
[18:07]  * apachelogger throws a ball at shadeslayer
[18:07] <apachelogger> dodgeball!
[18:07] <shadeslayer> dogeball
[18:07] <shadeslayer> :3
[18:07] <apachelogger> jebus
[18:08] <shadeslayer> http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/dogeball
[18:08]  * apachelogger misplaced his bowtie
[18:08] <shadeslayer> you have a what
[18:09] <shadeslayer> now I imagine you sitting with your suit on with your bowtie and a pipe in your hand
[18:09]  * yofel can totally imagine that ^^
[18:10] <apachelogger> that's how I roll
[18:13] <BluesKaj> don't forget the suspenders :)
[18:16] <apachelogger> yeah, can't find any good looking ones either
[18:16] <apachelogger> my closet is a mess!
[18:18] <shadeslayer> can't be worse than me
[18:18] <shadeslayer> my entire room is a mess at the moment
[18:19] <apachelogger> talking about suspenders...
[18:19] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg
[19:11] <soee> what can be the reason that plasmahell sometimes do not start ?
[19:13] <ScottK> Probably apachelogger needs a new fez.
[19:19] <apachelogger> true that
[19:20] <yofel> I'm all for apachelogger brining Fezes for everyone at academy ^^
[19:22] <apachelogger> well that's a bit short term isn't it
[19:22] <apachelogger> yofel: Riddell could probably find a shop for fezes in vienna
[19:22] <apachelogger> all this sort of stuff is to be found in vienna
[19:22] <yofel> heh
[19:22] <yofel> well, we could also just some to Munich
[19:22] <yofel> *just bring
[19:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: too late, I'm in Brno
[19:23] <apachelogger> ah, shame
[19:23] <yofel> Riddell: how's the weather? Tolerable, or does one need Polar equipment?
[19:23] <Riddell> bring
[19:23] <Riddell> yofel: I'm in t-shirts and sandals and while it's hardly barcelona it's good enough for me
[19:24] <yofel> ah, great
[19:24] <Riddell> but probably best to bring socks and a shirt
[19:24] <Riddell> also this hotel room only has ethernet, there's 1 cable supplied if you disconnect the phone
[19:24] <Riddell> dunno about the hostel
[19:26]  * yofel notes to bring some cables
[19:27] <Riddell> and maybe a hub if you are sharing a room
[19:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ↑
[19:28] <apachelogger> can't even find no fez shop
[19:29] <apachelogger> yofel: how about one of these instead http://www.hut-online.at/doktorhut-schwarz.html
[19:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see my earlier ping about approving Bug #1364710 with your release team hat on, I'd appreciate it.
[19:30] <yofel> can't say I like those :/
[19:30] <yofel> I would rather just wear a classic rain hat
[19:31] <apachelogger> impossibru to find fez
[19:31] <Riddell> ScottK: no sorry looking shortly
[19:31] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:31] <apachelogger> maybe one should consult a hatter
[19:32] <apachelogger> oh fun story, apparently there used to be a fez production industry in brno actually
[19:37] <Riddell> ScottK: from CHANGES file "Release proper version for Ubuntu legacy" what is ubuntu legacy?
[19:37] <ScottK> Riddell: It doesn't affect us.  It's the upstream packages they do for precise/lucid.
[19:38] <apachelogger> for each release done we get legacy points, if we have enough legacy points we can win new exciting things
[19:38] <apachelogger> such as fezes
[19:47] <ScottK> Only if the Doctor is available to take you back in time to when Brno had a fez industry.
[20:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[20:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mmm ok
[20:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm ok?
[20:13] <Riddell> oh cable, yes
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: re hub and cables
[20:13] <Riddell> I guess you can turn your laptop into a wifi hub
[20:14] <Riddell> so probably no physical one needed
[20:14] <Riddell> but grab a cable just incase
[20:14] <shadeslayer> can't
[20:14] <shadeslayer> my laptop has shit hardware
[20:15] <shadeslayer> or software
[20:15] <shadeslayer> depending on who you ask
[20:16] <yofel> hm, I might have an unused router lying around somewhere...
[20:16] <yofel> need to search for it
[20:17] <ScottK> yofel: If you're at Akademy, isn't any router you have that you don't bring with you unused?
[20:18] <yofel> well, there house won't be completely empty when I'm gone, so not quite
[20:18] <yofel> *the house
[20:18] <ScottK> Any of them technical enough to figure its missing?
[20:18] <yofel> yes
[20:19] <ScottK> Too bad.  Otherwise you could just take it and "fix it" when you returned.
[20:19] <yofel> hehehe
[20:24] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:24] <shadeslayer> I have a spare router I can bring
[20:25] <shadeslayer> I think it can handle like 10 people
[20:25] <shadeslayer> so 5 rooms :p
[20:26] <shadeslayer> or well
[20:26] <shadeslayer> since everyone will have 2 devices
[20:27] <shadeslayer> 2 rooms
[20:27] <shadeslayer> ;)
[20:38] <apachelogger> 2 devices?
[20:39] <apachelogger> why you are quite optimistic
[20:40] <ScottK> Riddell: mesa FFe likely to be approved soon.  We'll want to test against it prior to approval/upload so at least mgraesslin isn't surprised with his bugzilla exploads.
[20:42] <Riddell> oh meh not another late mesa upload
[20:43] <yofel> are we getting a new x too?
[20:43] <apachelogger> while we are at it, can we also land a new kernel plz?
[20:45] <ScottK> yofel: Yes.  New X too.
[20:45] <yofel> whee
[20:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Talk to infinity about it in #u-release.