| akis | hi all. which application is recommended for irc chat on lubuntu? | 09:03 |
|---|---|---|
| hateball | akis: One that fits your personal preference | 09:06 |
| hateball | !irc | 09:07 |
| ubottu | A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines | 09:07 |
| akis | hateball: i am asking for this one that fits better to lubuntu and doesnt need more depedencies from other desktops (ex. KDE, XFCE etc) so my system will remain light. | 09:09 |
| hateball | akis: Does it have to have a GUI, otherwise irssi is nice | 09:10 |
| akis | i would like to have a GUI | 09:10 |
| hateball | iirc xchat doesnt have that many dependencies outside of GTK+, it should tell you if you try to install it | 09:11 |
| hateball | I'm on KDE right now, and attempting to install Xchat doesnt want a lot of extra stuff | 09:12 |
| akis | i am using xchat alredy under xubuntu and its fine and pretty fast but i didnt decide to install because it is designed for xfce. is it a problem if i will install it to my lubuntu? | 09:13 |
| akis | kde has many beutiful and useful apps (dolphin, konversation gnview) and many more but make the systme too heavy for my hardware | 09:14 |
| hateball | it's not really designed for xfce, it can use gtk+ is all. and I'm thinking you already have gtk+ installed | 09:14 |
| hateball | I've not tried hexchat, perhaps that is preferable | 09:15 |
| akis | ok that's excellent then. and which screenshot app is recommended for lubuntu? xubuntu's screenshot maybe? | 09:15 |
| hateball | again it depends on features needed | 09:20 |
| hateball | scrot is nice enough, no gui tho | 09:20 |
| akis | screenshot is very fast and light and meets my needs | 09:30 |
| === user__ is now known as akis | ||
| Ahmuck | holstein: so ... i've decided to fix and offer a bounty to fix the broken menu system of lubuntu as well as create a graphical map of startup and existing processes as well as bare applications for lubuntu | 13:55 |
| Ahmuck | so ... i've decided to fix and offer a bounty to fix the broken menu system of lubuntu as well as create a graphical map of startup and existing processes as well as bare applications for lubuntu | 13:55 |
| Ahmuck | as well as creating a "signature" or "fingerprint" of known "shipped with" application binairies | 13:57 |
| Ahmuck | and a list of "only necessary applications" or bare bones gui lubuntu | 14:01 |
| Ahmuck | why is lubuntu moving away from gtk to qt? | 14:03 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: are you using a newer lubuntu version as 14.04.1? | 14:19 |
| Ahmuck | no | 14:22 |
| Ahmuck | the newer version is more streamlined? | 14:22 |
| Ahmuck | so i just stumbled across system tools frontend and wayland | 14:22 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: would you please so kind and check what lxde system tools you are speaking about? For example the user-admin-tool is mostly made with perl | 14:25 |
| Ahmuck | i was looking only at the gui tools offered. there are several "terms", multiple keyboard, power management, system configuration, package managers, etc. | 14:27 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: what is "several terms"? | 14:28 |
| Ahmuck | btw, i am getting internal server erros from lubuntu website | 14:28 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: and you think its a qt/kde-fault? | 14:28 |
| Ahmuck | sorry, to clarify, lxterm, uterm, xterm, etc. | 14:29 |
| Ahmuck | i moved from kubuntu to lubuntu for a light dm specifically because i could not run kubuntu (kde) any longer on the machines i was using. | 14:29 |
| Ahmuck | i'd hate to loose the functionality I gained by moving | 14:29 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: what do you have against differt kind of terminal-emulations? I still prefer (as an old school user) the xterm | 14:30 |
| Ahmuck | i really enjoyed kde and it's gui heavy interface but it just became resource heavy | 14:30 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: moving the mouse and functionality is a question of the windowmanager configuration | 14:30 |
| Ahmuck | i think that is my point, why is it necessary to have multiple terms. any user wanting a different term would know how to install it on his own | 14:31 |
| Ahmuck | a problem i run into recently with ibus. finding i did not need ibus to provide a usable keyboard map and accents i dumped it. after dumping it my system became much faster and reading through many forums came to realize that ibus was in fact slowing windows down | 14:32 |
| Ahmuck | btw, in the old days we would let people install thier own ibus. or in my case scim | 14:32 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: with regards to several CLI apps, I have made our head of dev aware and it is on his TODO list (with lots of other stuff!) | 14:43 |
| Ahmuck | so i guess we will be working in parallel | 14:44 |
| * Ahmuck is getting up to speed on current de | 14:44 | |
| Ahmuck | phillw: it's not just the cli. for example there are two menu options over different menu lists to work with network settings | 14:45 |
| phillw | I've actually had to use one of the CLI apps (not lxterminal) in a Virtual Machine, for some reason KVM and lxterminal do not play nicely together. | 14:45 |
| Ahmuck | looking at the sys tools taht is being developed here ... http://system-tools-backends.freedesktop.org/download.html | 14:46 |
| Ahmuck | i would imagine this is the eventual goal? | 14:46 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: also, with the move from LXDE to LXQt that gives a chance to tidy things up :) | 14:46 |
| Ahmuck | phillw: actually after reading for about 15 min, that i have come to understand about de to qt. will it be more resource heavy? | 14:47 |
| Ahmuck | btw, is there an independent audit group auditing code? | 14:47 |
| phillw | it is possible that it will be very slightly more resource hungry. Full testing cannot be done as not all the applications have been ported over to it, | 14:48 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: the code is overseen by the merger of LXDE people with RavorQt people. | 14:49 |
| Ahmuck | base testing could be done though, right? and will there be a selection of effecient core apps | 14:49 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: indeed, there is a meta package available but it is advised to run in VM or on a test machine... They do break it from time to time :) | 14:50 |
| Ahmuck | phillw: i was thinking more along privacy audit. with the snowden fiasco and some of the revelations that have resulted from it, i would hope that there was an independent audit group auditing code | 14:50 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: linux are independant :D | 14:50 |
| phillw | anyone can view the source code, and many, many thousands do! | 14:51 |
| Ahmuck | well, not really if people are just installing binaries. look at OpenBSD. even it had been comprimised at some point | 14:52 |
| Ahmuck | yes, i wonder if enough people with neutral alligence are looking at the code | 14:52 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: that's for people to decide. all debian stuff has source code available. It is a requirement to get accepted | 14:53 |
| Ahmuck | k, back to the core apps. system tools backend really looks solid in what it is trying to acomplish | 14:53 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: you dont get the point (is this your task?), if code is not open, it will always be hidden and may "faulty" - open code can checked, but this does not imply everything will be found, what could be malicious | 14:53 |
| Ahmuck | kk, well i need to catch up. it's been three years since I left the scene and getting back in seems easier. perhaps less stress or wiser this time around | 14:54 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: I'm not a dev, just a tester :) I know that Lubuntu Software Center is being ported to Qt5, along with a new system to manage PPA's (as lubuntueers love to tweak things) and the Update Manager. | 14:54 |
| phillw | It was I who 'kidnapped' a dev for those three projects :) | 14:55 |
| phillw | He's been allocated a lab-rat, so they are working on those areas :) | 14:56 |
| Ahmuck | i used to test | 14:58 |
| Ahmuck | quite extensively | 14:58 |
| Ahmuck | my greater achievement is ui ... which ubuntu borrowed my desktop layout | 14:58 |
| phillw | great, get back involved! Walter is a nice guy (TL of testing) and we do have good documentation.... We allways need testers :) | 14:59 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: this is not a bounty situation.. you are free to pay anyone you like to fix what you like, independently | 14:59 |
| Ahmuck | :) i have a life now ! | 14:59 |
| phillw | so do I, but still test :) | 14:59 |
| Ahmuck | i'm an artist. design is my drug. | 15:00 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: than say hello to rafaellaguna TL of our design team, he also looks for new people to bring new ideas in! | 15:00 |
| Ahmuck | is 64bit only for amd? it only has amd in it's file name | 15:44 |
| * Ahmuck wonders why they put a rj45 connection in laptops anymore | 15:45 | |
| phillw | Ahmuck: it is a legacy thing, just as i386 ISO needs an i686 chip :) | 15:47 |
| Ahmuck | http://boycottsystemd.org/ | 15:55 |
| Ahmuck | hrm | 15:55 |
| Ahmuck | while on the subject of the KISS principle, is there a reason why linux users have not required thier software developers (by reason of democratic coding) to create a document configuration area for apps within the users home directory? | 15:56 |
| Ahmuck | ie, /home/user/.config/.application | 15:57 |
| Ahmuck | rather than each software having thier configuration placed ninny whiny whereever | 15:57 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: when did you last try to herd cats? | 16:01 |
| Ahmuck | with food | 16:02 |
| Ahmuck | i have 8 cats | 16:02 |
| Ahmuck | (bounties) | 16:02 |
| Ahmuck | they always come when i have food, as i only put out food once a day | 16:03 |
| Ahmuck | well, ok i don't have 8 but 2 however it seems that the small town i live in believes if they drop off thier strays i will get them nutered/spayed, shots, and then feed them until they find a home | 16:03 |
| Ahmuck | this is actually something a distro has the power to persuade with "certified by" logo | 16:04 |
| Ahmuck | for example, i use mnemosyne, goldendict, gimp, thunderbird | 16:05 |
| Ahmuck | user config could be placed in /home/user/.config/.goldendict/dictionaries, /home/user/config/.goldendict/goldendict.cfg, /home/user/.config/.thunderbird/thunderbird.cfg, /home/user/.config/.mnemosyne/database, etc. | 16:07 |
| Ahmuck | when i migrate from on computer to another or use portable apps digging through each software to find and locate key config files and databases is a real chore. | 16:07 |
| Ahmuck | and mnemosyne databases, gramps, etc are important to save (although gramps doesn't have a save function rather an export function | 16:08 |
| Ahmuck | vlc config would be similar | 16:08 |
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| Ahmuck | phillw: so, about cats. i think i've found a more democratic way of creating a standard | 16:58 |
| Ahmuck | i used to do script programming. the /home/user/.userconfig is something that can be scripted for each app | 16:59 |
| Ahmuck | when put on a website, and perhaps with a series of checkboxes, crowdsourced with user submissions, i think's it's possible to create a user configurable script that would change all the paths within an application script to a specific directory/file pattern | 17:00 |
| Ahmuck | which could be downloaded and ran | 17:00 |
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| Caberu | hello, do someone speak french here? | 17:29 |
| wxl | !fr | Caberu | 17:30 |
| ubottu | Caberu: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. | 17:30 |
| === holstein_ is now known as holstein | ||
| holstein | Ahmuck: most folks just sync or backup their /home folder and other needed configs | 18:38 |
| holstein | they are not public, as you suggest "put on a website", due to security concerns | 18:38 |
| Weston_ | Hello, could someone please tell me how to resize my mouse cursor in LXDE? Any help would be most appreciated. | 20:24 |
| phillw | Weston_: do you *really* want to learn? | 20:27 |
| Weston_ | Yes please. | 20:27 |
| phillw | Weston_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse | 20:27 |
| phillw | not easy! | 20:27 |
| Weston_ | Since it is possible, I'm happy. Thank you phillw for pointing me in the right direction :) | 20:28 |
| lubunt | Greetings! | 21:19 |
| lubunt | I gots a question as a noob. I got my hands real dirty real fast and...probably installed a bunch of things that have caused my lubuntu to run less than optimal. Is there a way to....keep some changes but not all? | 21:20 |
| ianorlin | you can uninstall some tihngs if they are dependencies | 21:22 |
| ianorlin | if they have dependcies that are bloated | 21:23 |
| lubunt | check for bloated dependencies? | 21:23 |
| ianorlin | what do you think is not running optimally can you go to menu system tools task manager | 21:26 |
| ianorlin | and see how much you have used | 21:26 |
| lubunt | wait | 21:28 |
| lubunt | I see big numbers next to somethings. | 21:29 |
| lubunt | what do these numbers mean? | 21:29 |
| lubunt | The situation is firefox, I need it to run a 32-bit applet on my 64-bit OS. | 21:29 |
| lubunt | I'm not on the machine right now. But I was looking to see what I could start figitting with. | 21:30 |
| lubunt_ | yea... | 21:32 |
| lubunt_ | Srry got disconnected. But...how do I look into the issue once I know where to look | 21:35 |
| ianorlin | I will find helping you easier if you are at the machine | 21:45 |
| ianorlin | firefox can be a memory hog on old hardware but knowing what is running slow will also help | 21:46 |
| lubunt_ | Ok thanks! Are there other browsers that are useful and less resource consuming? | 21:48 |
| lubunt_ | I have chromium...but that's also laggy. | 21:48 |
| lubunt_ | I'll come back once on the machine. | 21:49 |
| Reffter | Whatsup! Changed for Lubuntu and its great! | 22:09 |
| Reffter | How do I map windows startmenu key to open Lubuntu menu ? | 22:09 |
| wxl | Reffter: don't have lubuntu in front of me but there's a lubuntu-rc.xml you need to edit | 22:10 |
| wxl | Reffter: if memory serves me correctly it's in ~/.config/openbox | 22:10 |
| Reffter | How ? | 22:10 |
| wxl | Reffter: also pretty sure that the "windows" key is referred to more generally as "mod4" | 22:11 |
| Reffter | Don't know nothing about terminal and commands, soz | 22:11 |
| wxl | Reffter: btw thanks, join the mailing list, hang out in irc with us, and we've got a place for you to contribute if you want to help with the project :) | 22:11 |
| wxl | Reffter: you can use leafpad to edit things. ~ refers to /home/yourusername | 22:12 |
| Reffter | i will | 22:12 |
| Reffter | oh god thanks, can you give me your reddit username ? | 22:12 |
| wxl | probably wxl but i honestly don't remember anymore :) | 22:12 |
| * wxl rarely uses reddit | 22:13 | |
| Reffter | ok xD | 22:13 |
| Reffter | i opened the cfg with leafpad and now ? | 22:13 |
| * Reffter will create a account for wxl | 22:14 | |
| * wxl can't remember what key opens the menu as is | 22:14 | |
| * Reffter is joking and doesnt know nothing about Lubuntu | 22:14 | |
| Reffter | Hehe | 22:14 |
| wxl | argh | 22:15 |
| wxl | can you put that file up on pastebin? i'll tell you what to edit sheesh | 22:15 |
| wxl | oh | 22:16 |
| === daker_ is now known as daker | ||
| wxl | search for A-F1 or Alt-F1 as that is the current key to open the menu | 22:17 |
| wxl | that and Control Escape | 22:17 |
| Reffter | found | 22:17 |
| wxl | ok well can you find a reference to "Super" in there? | 22:18 |
| wxl | because i think openbox calls it the super key for whatever reason | 22:18 |
| Reffter | <!-- Keybindings for running Run menu from Lxpanel on Home + R--> <keybind key="W-r"> <action name="Execute"> <command>lxsession-default launcher_manager</command> </action> </keybind> <keybind key="A-F2"> <action name="Execute"> <command>lxsession-default launcher_manager</command> </action> </keybind> <!-- Keybindings for running Menu from Lxpanel --> <keybind key="A-F | 22:18 |
| Reffter | Nop | 22:18 |
| wxl | !paste | Reffter | 22:18 |
| ubottu | Reffter: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 22:19 |
| Reffter | i can paste bin it | 22:19 |
| wxl | yep there ya go | 22:19 |
| wxl | give me the WHOLE thing | 22:19 |
| wxl | it will save you some trouble :) | 22:19 |
| Reffter | Ok | 22:19 |
| Reffter | Thanks | 22:19 |
| Reffter | Love you <3 | 22:19 |
| wxl | hahahah | 22:19 |
| * wxl blushes | 22:19 | |
| Reffter | Syntax is XML ? | 22:20 |
| Reffter | or +PHP | 22:20 |
| wxl | xml | 22:20 |
| Reffter | ARGH! | 22:20 |
| Reffter | PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed | 22:20 |
| wxl | you don't have to worry about syntax hilighting | 22:20 |
| wxl | use paste.ubuntu.com | 22:20 |
| Reffter | '-' | 22:20 |
| Reffter | im using | 22:20 |
| wxl | weird | 22:21 |
| Reffter | yea | 22:21 |
| wxl | so here let's try this | 22:21 |
| wxl | install the package "pastebinit" | 22:21 |
| Reffter | Synaptic Power! | 22:21 |
| Reffter | done | 22:22 |
| wxl | ok, now open up the terminal | 22:22 |
| wxl | don't be scared, you can do this :) | 22:22 |
| Reffter | done | 22:22 |
| wxl | type in the following: | 22:22 |
| wxl | echo .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | pastebinit | 22:22 |
| wxl | then copy and paste the url here | 22:23 |
| Reffter | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8227316/ | 22:23 |
| Reffter | Oh, very nice | 22:23 |
| Reffter | your pro | 22:23 |
| Reffter | give me your email :3 | 22:23 |
| wxl | aw crap | 22:23 |
| wxl | i told you the wrong thing | 22:23 |
| wxl | cat .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | pastebinit | 22:23 |
| Reffter | '-' | 22:23 |
| Reffter | Lol? | 22:24 |
| wxl | yeah yeah :) | 22:24 |
| Reffter | http://paste.ubuntu.com/ | 22:24 |
| wxl | nope | 22:24 |
| Reffter | terminal send that | 22:24 |
| wxl | needs to have a number after it :) | 22:24 |
| wxl | basically replace "echo" with "cat" | 22:24 |
| Reffter | terminal send that | 22:24 |
| wxl | try again | 22:24 |
| Reffter | i did | 22:24 |
| Reffter | it send: | 22:24 |
| Reffter | Nop | 22:25 |
| Reffter | no number | 22:25 |
| Reffter | @Lubuntu:~$ cat .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/ | 22:25 |
| Reffter | weird | 22:25 |
| wxl | oh yeah don't add the http://paste.ubuntu.com at the end | 22:25 |
| Reffter | It send: | 22:26 |
| Reffter | http://paste.ubuntu.com | 22:26 |
| wxl | try running: cat .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | 22:26 |
| Reffter | with no numbers | 22:26 |
| Reffter | that command opened the file in term | 22:26 |
| wxl | ok | 22:26 |
| wxl | then what the heck | 22:26 |
| wxl | i'm so confused | 22:27 |
| Reffter | i will send by pastebin | 22:27 |
| wxl | ok | 22:27 |
| Reffter | worked : http://pastebin.com/A9sYszWS | 22:28 |
| Reffter | Be fast please | 22:29 |
| Reffter | need to sleep | 22:29 |
| Reffter | 23:29 here | 22:29 |
| wxl | coming | 22:29 |
| wxl | so first make a copy of the file | 22:30 |
| wxl | as a backup | 22:30 |
| Reffter | done | 22:30 |
| wxl | then edit it so that line 384 is: <keybind key="S"> | 22:30 |
| wxl | save it | 22:30 |
| wxl | then get in the terminal and do: lxpanel restart | 22:31 |
| wxl | lxpanelctl restart | 22:31 |
| wxl | i mean | 22:31 |
| Reffter | restarted | 22:32 |
| wxl | oh shoot | 22:32 |
| Reffter | not working | 22:32 |
| wxl | you need to restart openbox | 22:32 |
| Reffter | ah | 22:32 |
| Reffter | command? | 22:32 |
| wxl | 1s | 22:32 |
| wxl | openbox --restart | 22:33 |
| Reffter | done | 22:33 |
| Reffter | not working | 22:33 |
| Reffter | :( | 22:33 |
| wxl | darn | 22:33 |
| Reffter | The "S" key from the alphabet iS doing that | 22:33 |
| Reffter | :O | 22:33 |
| nikin | hi. any tips to shorten my boot time? i disabled some services, put in an ssd and cut down grub timeout. | 22:34 |
| wxl | OH | 22:34 |
| Reffter | DHOW | 22:34 |
| Reffter | Wait nikin | 22:34 |
| wxl | here we go. try using "Super_L" instead of "S" | 22:34 |
| Reffter | k | 22:34 |
| Reffter | YEY! | 22:35 |
| Reffter | WORKING | 22:35 |
| Reffter | THANK YOU | 22:35 |
| wxl | :) | 22:35 |
| wxl | no problem | 22:35 |
| wxl | that one's not in the wiki so i'll make sure to add it later | 22:35 |
| Reffter | Only left works | 22:35 |
| Reffter | but i dont care | 22:35 |
| Reffter | only use left | 22:35 |
| Reffter | if i want to use right i put Super_R | 22:35 |
| Reffter | Yea, thx | 22:36 |
| Reffter | email me : mfpmaster25@gmail.com | 22:36 |
| Reffter | and say: hey, im wxl | 22:36 |
| Reffter | thx! | 22:36 |
| Reffter | need to go | 22:36 |
| wxl | yep | 22:36 |
| wxl | Reffter: wxl@ubuntu.com | 22:36 |
| Reffter | Oh | 22:36 |
| Reffter | You have official ubuntu | 22:37 |
| Reffter | cool | 22:37 |
| wxl | easier to remember :) | 22:37 |
| wxl | well, it's simply a recognition of volunteering | 22:37 |
| Reffter | can i have one to ? D: | 22:37 |
| wxl | which you can do too :) | 22:37 |
| wxl | yep! | 22:37 |
| wxl | you have to earn it :) | 22:37 |
| Reffter | i wanted :D | 22:37 |
| Reffter | nice | 22:37 |
| wxl | send me an email and we'll talk about how you can contribute | 22:37 |
| Reffter | i will talk to you tomorrow | 22:37 |
| Reffter | Portugal s2 | 22:37 |
| Reffter | Pentium IV s2 | 22:37 |
| Reffter | LUBUNTU ! | 22:37 |
| * Reffter is going to sleep | 22:38 | |
| * Reffter says : Bye! | 22:38 | |
| Reffter | bye! | 22:38 |
| nikin | bye | 22:38 |
| Reffter | Going to send a email right now | 22:38 |
| wxl | ∿ Reffter | 22:39 |
| Reffter | bye | 22:39 |
| wxl | ↑ that's a wave | 22:39 |
| nikin | is it safe to remove update-notifier? | 22:41 |
| wxl | well you won't have any notifications nikin :) | 22:42 |
| nikin | wxl: i can live without them :) I already disabled it, but it stil starts up for some reason | 22:43 |
| nikin | it also remove update-manager and update-release-upgrader-gtk | 22:45 |
| nikin | but thats fine | 22:46 |
| nikin | thanks... good night | 22:47 |
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