[09:03] <akis> hi all. which application is recommended for irc chat on lubuntu?
[09:06] <hateball> akis: One that fits your personal preference
[09:07] <hateball> !irc
[09:09] <akis> hateball: i am asking for this one that fits better to lubuntu and doesnt need more depedencies from other desktops (ex. KDE, XFCE etc) so my system will remain light.
[09:10] <hateball> akis: Does it have to have a GUI, otherwise irssi is nice
[09:10] <akis> i would like to have a GUI
[09:11] <hateball> iirc xchat doesnt have that many dependencies outside of GTK+, it should tell you if you try to install it
[09:12] <hateball> I'm on KDE right now, and attempting to install Xchat doesnt want a lot of extra stuff
[09:13] <akis> i am using xchat alredy under xubuntu and its fine and pretty fast but i didnt decide to install because it is designed for xfce. is it a problem if i will install it to my lubuntu?
[09:14] <akis> kde has many beutiful and useful apps (dolphin, konversation gnview) and many more but make the systme too heavy for my hardware
[09:14] <hateball> it's not really designed for xfce, it can use gtk+ is all. and I'm thinking you already have gtk+ installed
[09:15] <hateball> I've not tried hexchat, perhaps that is preferable
[09:15] <akis> ok that's excellent then. and which screenshot app is recommended for lubuntu? xubuntu's screenshot maybe?
[09:20] <hateball> again it depends on features needed
[09:20] <hateball> scrot is nice enough, no gui tho
[09:30] <akis> screenshot is very fast and light and meets my needs
[13:55] <Ahmuck> holstein: so ... i've decided to fix and offer a bounty to fix the broken menu system of lubuntu as well as create a graphical map of startup and existing processes as well as bare applications for lubuntu
[13:55] <Ahmuck> so ... i've decided to fix and offer a bounty to fix the broken menu system of lubuntu as well as create a graphical map of startup and existing processes as well as bare applications for lubuntu
[13:57] <Ahmuck> as well as creating a "signature" or "fingerprint" of known "shipped with" application binairies
[14:01] <Ahmuck> and a list of "only necessary applications" or bare bones gui lubuntu
[14:03] <Ahmuck> why is lubuntu moving away from gtk to qt?
[14:19] <testdr> Ahmuck: are you using a newer lubuntu version as 14.04.1?
[14:22] <Ahmuck> no
[14:22] <Ahmuck> the newer version is more streamlined?
[14:22] <Ahmuck> so i just stumbled across system tools frontend and wayland
[14:25] <testdr> Ahmuck: would you please so kind and check what lxde system tools you are speaking about? For example the user-admin-tool  is mostly made with perl
[14:27] <Ahmuck> i was looking only at the gui tools offered.  there are several "terms", multiple keyboard, power management, system configuration, package managers, etc.
[14:28] <testdr> Ahmuck: what is "several terms"?
[14:28] <Ahmuck> btw, i am getting internal server erros from lubuntu website
[14:28] <testdr> Ahmuck: and you think its a qt/kde-fault?
[14:29] <Ahmuck> sorry, to clarify, lxterm, uterm, xterm, etc.
[14:29] <Ahmuck> i moved from kubuntu to lubuntu for a light dm specifically because i could not run kubuntu (kde) any longer on the machines i was using.
[14:29] <Ahmuck> i'd hate to loose the functionality I gained by moving
[14:30] <testdr> Ahmuck: what do you have against differt kind of terminal-emulations? I still prefer (as an old school user) the xterm
[14:30] <Ahmuck> i really enjoyed kde and it's gui heavy interface but it just became resource heavy
[14:30] <testdr> Ahmuck: moving the mouse and functionality is a question of the windowmanager configuration
[14:31] <Ahmuck> i think that is my point, why is it necessary to have multiple terms.  any user wanting a different term would know how to install it on his own
[14:32] <Ahmuck> a problem i run into recently with ibus.  finding i did not need ibus to provide a usable keyboard map and accents i dumped it.  after dumping it my system became much faster and reading through many forums came to realize that ibus was in fact slowing windows down
[14:32] <Ahmuck> btw, in the old days we would let people install thier own ibus.  or in my case scim
[14:43] <phillw> Ahmuck: with regards to several CLI apps, I have made our head of dev aware and it is on his TODO list (with lots of other stuff!)
[14:44] <Ahmuck> so i guess we will be working in parallel
[14:44]  * Ahmuck is getting up to speed on current de
[14:45] <Ahmuck> phillw: it's not just the cli.  for example there are two menu options over different menu lists to work with network settings
[14:45] <phillw> I've actually had to use one of the CLI apps (not lxterminal) in a Virtual Machine, for some reason KVM and lxterminal do not play nicely together.
[14:46] <Ahmuck> looking at the sys tools taht is being developed here ... http://system-tools-backends.freedesktop.org/download.html
[14:46] <Ahmuck> i would imagine this is the eventual goal?
[14:46] <phillw> Ahmuck: also, with the move from LXDE to LXQt that gives a chance to tidy things up :)
[14:47] <Ahmuck> phillw: actually after reading for about 15 min, that i have come to understand about de to qt.  will it be more resource heavy?
[14:47] <Ahmuck> btw, is there an independent audit group auditing code?
[14:48] <phillw> it is possible that it will be very slightly more resource hungry. Full testing cannot be done as not all the applications have been ported over to it,
[14:49] <phillw> Ahmuck: the code is overseen by the merger of LXDE people with RavorQt people.
[14:49] <Ahmuck> base testing could be done though, right?  and will there be a selection of effecient core apps
[14:50] <phillw> Ahmuck: indeed, there is a meta package available but it is advised to run in VM or on a test machine... They do break it from time to time :)
[14:50] <Ahmuck> phillw: i was thinking more along privacy audit.  with the snowden fiasco and some of the revelations that have resulted from it, i would hope that there was an independent audit group auditing code
[14:50] <phillw> Ahmuck: linux are independant :D
[14:51] <phillw> anyone can view the source code,  and many, many thousands do!
[14:52] <Ahmuck> well, not really if people are just installing binaries.  look at OpenBSD.  even it had been comprimised at some point
[14:52] <Ahmuck> yes, i wonder if enough people with neutral alligence are looking at the code
[14:53] <phillw> Ahmuck: that's for people to decide. all debian stuff has source code available. It is a requirement to get accepted
[14:53] <Ahmuck> k, back to the core apps.  system tools backend really looks solid in what it is trying to acomplish
[14:53] <testdr> Ahmuck: you dont get the point (is this your task?), if code is not open, it will always be hidden and may "faulty" - open code can checked, but this does not imply everything will be found, what could be malicious
[14:54] <Ahmuck> kk, well i need to catch up.  it's been three years since I left the scene and getting back in seems easier.  perhaps less stress or wiser this time around
[14:54] <phillw> Ahmuck: I'm not a dev, just a tester :) I know that Lubuntu Software Center is being ported to Qt5, along with a new system to manage PPA's (as lubuntueers love to tweak things) and the Update Manager.
[14:55] <phillw> It was I who 'kidnapped' a dev for those three projects :)
[14:56] <phillw> He's been allocated a lab-rat, so they are working on those areas :)
[14:58] <Ahmuck> i used to test
[14:58] <Ahmuck> quite extensively
[14:58] <Ahmuck> my greater achievement is ui ... which ubuntu borrowed my desktop layout
[14:59] <phillw> great, get back involved! Walter is a nice guy (TL of testing) and we do have good documentation.... We allways need testers :)
[14:59] <holstein> Ahmuck: this is not a bounty situation.. you are free to pay anyone you like to fix what you like, independently
[14:59] <Ahmuck> :) i have a life now !
[14:59] <phillw> so do I, but still test :)
[15:00] <Ahmuck> i'm an artist.  design is my drug.
[15:00] <phillw> Ahmuck: than say hello to rafaellaguna TL of our design team, he also looks for new people to bring new ideas in!
[15:44] <Ahmuck> is 64bit only for amd?  it only has amd in it's file name
[15:45]  * Ahmuck wonders why they put a rj45 connection in laptops anymore
[15:47] <phillw> Ahmuck: it is a legacy thing, just as i386 ISO needs an i686 chip :)
[15:55] <Ahmuck> http://boycottsystemd.org/
[15:55] <Ahmuck> hrm
[15:56] <Ahmuck> while on the subject of the KISS principle, is there a reason why linux users have not required thier software developers (by reason of democratic coding) to create a document configuration area for apps within the users home directory?
[15:57] <Ahmuck> ie, /home/user/.config/.application
[15:57] <Ahmuck> rather than each software having thier configuration placed ninny whiny whereever
[16:01] <phillw> Ahmuck: when did you last try to herd cats?
[16:02] <Ahmuck> with food
[16:02] <Ahmuck> i have 8 cats
[16:02] <Ahmuck> (bounties)
[16:03] <Ahmuck> they always come when i have food, as i only put out food once a day
[16:03] <Ahmuck> well, ok i don't have 8 but 2 however it seems that the small town i live in believes if they drop off thier strays i will get them nutered/spayed, shots, and then feed them until they find a home
[16:04] <Ahmuck> this is actually something a distro has the power to persuade with "certified by" logo
[16:05] <Ahmuck> for example, i use mnemosyne, goldendict, gimp, thunderbird
[16:07] <Ahmuck> user config could be placed in /home/user/.config/.goldendict/dictionaries, /home/user/config/.goldendict/goldendict.cfg, /home/user/.config/.thunderbird/thunderbird.cfg, /home/user/.config/.mnemosyne/database, etc.
[16:07] <Ahmuck> when i migrate from on computer to another or use portable apps digging through each software to find and locate key config files and databases is a real chore.
[16:08] <Ahmuck> and mnemosyne databases, gramps, etc are important to save (although gramps doesn't have a save function rather an export function
[16:08] <Ahmuck> vlc config would be similar
[16:58] <Ahmuck> phillw: so, about cats.  i think i've found a more democratic way of creating a standard
[16:59] <Ahmuck> i used to do script programming.  the /home/user/.userconfig is something that can be scripted for each app
[17:00] <Ahmuck> when put on a website, and perhaps with a series of checkboxes, crowdsourced with user submissions, i think's it's possible to create a user configurable script that would change all the paths within an application script to a specific directory/file pattern
[17:00] <Ahmuck> which could be downloaded and ran
[17:29] <Caberu> hello, do someone speak french here?
[17:30] <wxl> !fr | Caberu
[18:38] <holstein> Ahmuck: most folks just sync or backup their /home folder and other needed configs
[18:38] <holstein> they are not public, as you suggest "put on a website", due to security concerns
[20:24] <Weston_> Hello, could someone please tell me how to resize my mouse cursor in LXDE? Any help would be most appreciated.
[20:27] <phillw> Weston_: do you *really* want to learn?
[20:27] <Weston_> Yes please.
[20:27] <phillw> Weston_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse
[20:27] <phillw> not easy!
[20:28] <Weston_> Since it is possible, I'm happy. Thank you phillw for pointing me in the right direction :)
[21:19] <lubunt> Greetings!
[21:20] <lubunt> I gots a question as a noob. I got my hands real dirty real fast and...probably installed a bunch of things that have caused my lubuntu to run less than optimal. Is there a way to....keep some changes but not all?
[21:22] <ianorlin> you can uninstall some tihngs if they are dependencies
[21:23] <ianorlin> if they have dependcies that are bloated
[21:23] <lubunt> check for bloated dependencies?
[21:26] <ianorlin> what do you think is not running optimally can you go to menu system tools task manager
[21:26] <ianorlin> and see how much you have used
[21:28] <lubunt> wait
[21:29] <lubunt> I see big numbers next to somethings.
[21:29] <lubunt> what do these numbers mean?
[21:29] <lubunt> The situation is firefox, I need it to run a 32-bit applet on my 64-bit OS.
[21:30] <lubunt> I'm not on the machine right now. But I was looking to see what I could start figitting with.
[21:32] <lubunt_> yea...
[21:35] <lubunt_> Srry got disconnected. But...how do I look into the issue once I know where to look
[21:45] <ianorlin> I will find helping you easier if you are at the machine
[21:46] <ianorlin> firefox can be a memory hog on old hardware but knowing what is running slow will also help
[21:48] <lubunt_> Ok thanks! Are there other browsers that are useful and less resource consuming?
[21:48] <lubunt_> I have chromium...but that's also laggy.
[21:49] <lubunt_> I'll come back once on the machine.
[22:09] <Reffter> Whatsup! Changed for Lubuntu and its great!
[22:09] <Reffter> How do I map windows startmenu key to open Lubuntu menu ?
[22:10] <wxl> Reffter: don't have lubuntu in front of me but there's a lubuntu-rc.xml you need to edit
[22:10] <wxl> Reffter: if memory serves me correctly it's in ~/.config/openbox
[22:10] <Reffter> How ?
[22:11] <wxl> Reffter: also pretty sure that the "windows" key is referred to more generally as "mod4"
[22:11] <Reffter> Don't know nothing about terminal and commands, soz
[22:11] <wxl> Reffter: btw thanks, join the mailing list, hang out in irc with us, and we've got a place for you to contribute if you want to help with the project :)
[22:12] <wxl> Reffter: you can use leafpad to edit things. ~ refers to /home/yourusername
[22:12] <Reffter> i will
[22:12] <Reffter> oh god thanks, can you give me your reddit username ?
[22:12] <wxl> probably wxl but i honestly don't remember anymore :)
[22:13]  * wxl rarely uses reddit
[22:13] <Reffter> ok xD
[22:13] <Reffter> i opened the cfg with leafpad and now ?
[22:14]  * Reffter will create a account for wxl
[22:14]  * wxl can't remember what key opens the menu as is
[22:14]  * Reffter is joking and doesnt know nothing about Lubuntu
[22:14] <Reffter> Hehe
[22:15] <wxl> argh
[22:15] <wxl> can you put that file up on pastebin? i'll tell you what to edit sheesh
[22:16] <wxl> oh
[22:17] <wxl> search for A-F1 or Alt-F1 as that is the current key to open the menu
[22:17] <wxl> that and Control Escape
[22:17] <Reffter> found
[22:18] <wxl> ok well can you find a reference to "Super" in there?
[22:18] <wxl> because i think openbox calls it the super key for whatever reason
[22:18] <Reffter> <!-- Keybindings for running Run menu from Lxpanel on Home + R-->     <keybind key="W-r">       <action name="Execute">         <command>lxsession-default launcher_manager</command>       </action>     </keybind>     <keybind key="A-F2">       <action name="Execute">         <command>lxsession-default launcher_manager</command>       </action>     </keybind>     <!-- Keybindings for running Menu from Lxpanel -->     <keybind key="A-F
[22:18] <Reffter> Nop
[22:18] <wxl> !paste | Reffter
[22:19] <Reffter> i can paste bin it
[22:19] <wxl> yep there ya go
[22:19] <wxl> give me the WHOLE thing
[22:19] <wxl> it will save you some trouble :)
[22:19] <Reffter> Ok
[22:19] <Reffter> Thanks
[22:19] <Reffter> Love you <3
[22:19] <wxl> hahahah
[22:19]  * wxl blushes
[22:20] <Reffter> Syntax is XML ?
[22:20] <Reffter> or +PHP
[22:20] <wxl> xml
[22:20] <Reffter> ARGH!
[22:20] <Reffter> PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed
[22:20] <wxl> you don't have to worry about syntax hilighting
[22:20] <wxl> use paste.ubuntu.com
[22:20] <Reffter> '-'
[22:20] <Reffter> im using
[22:21] <wxl> weird
[22:21] <Reffter> yea
[22:21] <wxl> so here let's try this
[22:21] <wxl> install the package "pastebinit"
[22:21] <Reffter> Synaptic Power!
[22:22] <Reffter> done
[22:22] <wxl> ok, now open up the terminal
[22:22] <wxl> don't be scared, you can do this :)
[22:22] <Reffter> done
[22:22] <wxl> type in the following:
[22:22] <wxl> echo .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | pastebinit
[22:23] <wxl> then copy and paste the url here
[22:23] <Reffter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8227316/
[22:23] <Reffter> Oh, very nice
[22:23] <Reffter> your pro
[22:23] <Reffter> give me your email :3
[22:23] <wxl> aw crap
[22:23] <wxl> i told you the wrong thing
[22:23] <wxl> cat .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | pastebinit
[22:23] <Reffter> '-'
[22:24] <Reffter> Lol?
[22:24] <wxl> yeah yeah :)
[22:24] <Reffter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[22:24] <wxl> nope
[22:24] <Reffter> terminal send that
[22:24] <wxl> needs to have a number after it :)
[22:24] <wxl> basically replace "echo" with "cat"
[22:24] <Reffter> terminal send that
[22:24] <wxl> try again
[22:24] <Reffter> i did
[22:24] <Reffter> it send:
[22:25] <Reffter> Nop
[22:25] <Reffter> no number
[22:25] <Reffter> @Lubuntu:~$ cat .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[22:25] <Reffter> weird
[22:25] <wxl> oh yeah don't add the http://paste.ubuntu.com at the end
[22:26] <Reffter> It send:
[22:26] <Reffter> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:26] <wxl> try running: cat .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[22:26] <Reffter> with no numbers
[22:26] <Reffter> that command opened the file in term
[22:26] <wxl> ok
[22:26] <wxl> then what the heck
[22:27] <wxl> i'm so confused
[22:27] <Reffter> i will send by pastebin
[22:27] <wxl> ok
[22:28] <Reffter> worked : http://pastebin.com/A9sYszWS
[22:29] <Reffter> Be fast please
[22:29] <Reffter> need to sleep
[22:29] <Reffter> 23:29 here
[22:29] <wxl> coming
[22:30] <wxl> so first make a copy of the file
[22:30] <wxl> as a backup
[22:30] <Reffter> done
[22:30] <wxl> then edit it so that line 384 is:    <keybind key="S">
[22:30] <wxl> save it
[22:31] <wxl> then get in the terminal and do: lxpanel restart
[22:31] <wxl> lxpanelctl restart
[22:31] <wxl> i mean
[22:32] <Reffter> restarted
[22:32] <wxl> oh shoot
[22:32] <Reffter> not working
[22:32] <wxl> you need to restart openbox
[22:32] <Reffter> ah
[22:32] <Reffter> command?
[22:32] <wxl> 1s
[22:33] <wxl> openbox --restart
[22:33] <Reffter> done
[22:33] <Reffter> not working
[22:33] <Reffter> :(
[22:33] <wxl> darn
[22:33] <Reffter> The "S" key from the alphabet iS doing that
[22:33] <Reffter> :O
[22:34] <nikin> hi. any tips to shorten my boot time? i disabled some services, put in an ssd and cut down grub timeout.
[22:34] <wxl> OH
[22:34] <Reffter> DHOW
[22:34] <Reffter> Wait nikin
[22:34] <wxl> here we go. try using "Super_L" instead of "S"
[22:34] <Reffter> k
[22:35] <Reffter> YEY!
[22:35] <Reffter> WORKING
[22:35] <Reffter> THANK YOU
[22:35] <wxl> :)
[22:35] <wxl> no problem
[22:35] <wxl> that one's not in the wiki so i'll make sure to add it later
[22:35] <Reffter> Only left works
[22:35] <Reffter> but i dont care
[22:35] <Reffter> only use left
[22:35] <Reffter> if i want to use right i put Super_R
[22:36] <Reffter> Yea, thx
[22:36] <Reffter> email me : mfpmaster25@gmail.com
[22:36] <Reffter> and say: hey, im wxl
[22:36] <Reffter> thx!
[22:36] <Reffter> need to go
[22:36] <wxl> yep
[22:36] <wxl> Reffter: wxl@ubuntu.com
[22:36] <Reffter> Oh
[22:37] <Reffter> You have official ubuntu
[22:37] <Reffter> cool
[22:37] <wxl> easier to remember :)
[22:37] <wxl> well, it's simply a recognition of volunteering
[22:37] <Reffter> can i have one to ? D:
[22:37] <wxl> which you can do too :)
[22:37] <wxl> yep!
[22:37] <wxl> you have to earn it :)
[22:37] <Reffter> i wanted :D
[22:37] <Reffter> nice
[22:37] <wxl> send me an email and we'll talk about how you can contribute
[22:37] <Reffter> i will talk to you tomorrow
[22:37] <Reffter> Portugal s2
[22:37] <Reffter> Pentium IV s2
[22:37] <Reffter> LUBUNTU !
[22:38]  * Reffter is going to sleep
[22:38]  * Reffter says : Bye!
[22:38] <Reffter> bye!
[22:38] <nikin> bye
[22:38] <Reffter> Going to send a email right now
[22:39] <wxl> ∿ Reffter
[22:39] <Reffter> bye
[22:39] <wxl> ↑ that's a wave
[22:41] <nikin> is it safe to remove update-notifier?
[22:42] <wxl> well you won't have any notifications nikin :)
[22:43] <nikin> wxl: i can live without them :) I already disabled it, but it stil starts up for some reason
[22:45] <nikin> it also remove update-manager and update-release-upgrader-gtk
[22:46] <nikin> but thats fine
[22:47] <nikin> thanks... good night