[09:03] hi all. which application is recommended for irc chat on lubuntu? [09:06] akis: One that fits your personal preference [09:07] !irc [09:07] A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines [09:09] hateball: i am asking for this one that fits better to lubuntu and doesnt need more depedencies from other desktops (ex. KDE, XFCE etc) so my system will remain light. [09:10] akis: Does it have to have a GUI, otherwise irssi is nice [09:10] i would like to have a GUI [09:11] iirc xchat doesnt have that many dependencies outside of GTK+, it should tell you if you try to install it [09:12] I'm on KDE right now, and attempting to install Xchat doesnt want a lot of extra stuff [09:13] i am using xchat alredy under xubuntu and its fine and pretty fast but i didnt decide to install because it is designed for xfce. is it a problem if i will install it to my lubuntu? [09:14] kde has many beutiful and useful apps (dolphin, konversation gnview) and many more but make the systme too heavy for my hardware [09:14] it's not really designed for xfce, it can use gtk+ is all. and I'm thinking you already have gtk+ installed [09:15] I've not tried hexchat, perhaps that is preferable [09:15] ok that's excellent then. and which screenshot app is recommended for lubuntu? xubuntu's screenshot maybe? [09:20] again it depends on features needed [09:20] scrot is nice enough, no gui tho [09:30] screenshot is very fast and light and meets my needs === user__ is now known as akis [13:55] holstein: so ... i've decided to fix and offer a bounty to fix the broken menu system of lubuntu as well as create a graphical map of startup and existing processes as well as bare applications for lubuntu [13:55] so ... i've decided to fix and offer a bounty to fix the broken menu system of lubuntu as well as create a graphical map of startup and existing processes as well as bare applications for lubuntu [13:57] as well as creating a "signature" or "fingerprint" of known "shipped with" application binairies [14:01] and a list of "only necessary applications" or bare bones gui lubuntu [14:03] why is lubuntu moving away from gtk to qt? [14:19] Ahmuck: are you using a newer lubuntu version as 14.04.1? [14:22] no [14:22] the newer version is more streamlined? [14:22] so i just stumbled across system tools frontend and wayland [14:25] Ahmuck: would you please so kind and check what lxde system tools you are speaking about? For example the user-admin-tool is mostly made with perl [14:27] i was looking only at the gui tools offered. there are several "terms", multiple keyboard, power management, system configuration, package managers, etc. [14:28] Ahmuck: what is "several terms"? [14:28] btw, i am getting internal server erros from lubuntu website [14:28] Ahmuck: and you think its a qt/kde-fault? [14:29] sorry, to clarify, lxterm, uterm, xterm, etc. [14:29] i moved from kubuntu to lubuntu for a light dm specifically because i could not run kubuntu (kde) any longer on the machines i was using. [14:29] i'd hate to loose the functionality I gained by moving [14:30] Ahmuck: what do you have against differt kind of terminal-emulations? I still prefer (as an old school user) the xterm [14:30] i really enjoyed kde and it's gui heavy interface but it just became resource heavy [14:30] Ahmuck: moving the mouse and functionality is a question of the windowmanager configuration [14:31] i think that is my point, why is it necessary to have multiple terms. any user wanting a different term would know how to install it on his own [14:32] a problem i run into recently with ibus. finding i did not need ibus to provide a usable keyboard map and accents i dumped it. after dumping it my system became much faster and reading through many forums came to realize that ibus was in fact slowing windows down [14:32] btw, in the old days we would let people install thier own ibus. or in my case scim [14:43] Ahmuck: with regards to several CLI apps, I have made our head of dev aware and it is on his TODO list (with lots of other stuff!) [14:44] so i guess we will be working in parallel [14:44] * Ahmuck is getting up to speed on current de [14:45] phillw: it's not just the cli. for example there are two menu options over different menu lists to work with network settings [14:45] I've actually had to use one of the CLI apps (not lxterminal) in a Virtual Machine, for some reason KVM and lxterminal do not play nicely together. [14:46] looking at the sys tools taht is being developed here ... http://system-tools-backends.freedesktop.org/download.html [14:46] i would imagine this is the eventual goal? [14:46] Ahmuck: also, with the move from LXDE to LXQt that gives a chance to tidy things up :) [14:47] phillw: actually after reading for about 15 min, that i have come to understand about de to qt. will it be more resource heavy? [14:47] btw, is there an independent audit group auditing code? [14:48] it is possible that it will be very slightly more resource hungry. Full testing cannot be done as not all the applications have been ported over to it, [14:49] Ahmuck: the code is overseen by the merger of LXDE people with RavorQt people. [14:49] base testing could be done though, right? and will there be a selection of effecient core apps [14:50] Ahmuck: indeed, there is a meta package available but it is advised to run in VM or on a test machine... They do break it from time to time :) [14:50] phillw: i was thinking more along privacy audit. with the snowden fiasco and some of the revelations that have resulted from it, i would hope that there was an independent audit group auditing code [14:50] Ahmuck: linux are independant :D [14:51] anyone can view the source code, and many, many thousands do! [14:52] well, not really if people are just installing binaries. look at OpenBSD. even it had been comprimised at some point [14:52] yes, i wonder if enough people with neutral alligence are looking at the code [14:53] Ahmuck: that's for people to decide. all debian stuff has source code available. It is a requirement to get accepted [14:53] k, back to the core apps. system tools backend really looks solid in what it is trying to acomplish [14:53] Ahmuck: you dont get the point (is this your task?), if code is not open, it will always be hidden and may "faulty" - open code can checked, but this does not imply everything will be found, what could be malicious [14:54] kk, well i need to catch up. it's been three years since I left the scene and getting back in seems easier. perhaps less stress or wiser this time around [14:54] Ahmuck: I'm not a dev, just a tester :) I know that Lubuntu Software Center is being ported to Qt5, along with a new system to manage PPA's (as lubuntueers love to tweak things) and the Update Manager. [14:55] It was I who 'kidnapped' a dev for those three projects :) [14:56] He's been allocated a lab-rat, so they are working on those areas :) [14:58] i used to test [14:58] quite extensively [14:58] my greater achievement is ui ... which ubuntu borrowed my desktop layout [14:59] great, get back involved! Walter is a nice guy (TL of testing) and we do have good documentation.... We allways need testers :) [14:59] Ahmuck: this is not a bounty situation.. you are free to pay anyone you like to fix what you like, independently [14:59] :) i have a life now ! [14:59] so do I, but still test :) [15:00] i'm an artist. design is my drug. [15:00] Ahmuck: than say hello to rafaellaguna TL of our design team, he also looks for new people to bring new ideas in! [15:44] is 64bit only for amd? it only has amd in it's file name [15:45] * Ahmuck wonders why they put a rj45 connection in laptops anymore [15:47] Ahmuck: it is a legacy thing, just as i386 ISO needs an i686 chip :) [15:55] http://boycottsystemd.org/ [15:55] hrm [15:56] while on the subject of the KISS principle, is there a reason why linux users have not required thier software developers (by reason of democratic coding) to create a document configuration area for apps within the users home directory? [15:57] ie, /home/user/.config/.application [15:57] rather than each software having thier configuration placed ninny whiny whereever [16:01] Ahmuck: when did you last try to herd cats? [16:02] with food [16:02] i have 8 cats [16:02] (bounties) [16:03] they always come when i have food, as i only put out food once a day [16:03] well, ok i don't have 8 but 2 however it seems that the small town i live in believes if they drop off thier strays i will get them nutered/spayed, shots, and then feed them until they find a home [16:04] this is actually something a distro has the power to persuade with "certified by" logo [16:05] for example, i use mnemosyne, goldendict, gimp, thunderbird [16:07] user config could be placed in /home/user/.config/.goldendict/dictionaries, /home/user/config/.goldendict/goldendict.cfg, /home/user/.config/.thunderbird/thunderbird.cfg, /home/user/.config/.mnemosyne/database, etc. [16:07] when i migrate from on computer to another or use portable apps digging through each software to find and locate key config files and databases is a real chore. [16:08] and mnemosyne databases, gramps, etc are important to save (although gramps doesn't have a save function rather an export function [16:08] vlc config would be similar === mhlds_ is now known as mhlds [16:58] phillw: so, about cats. i think i've found a more democratic way of creating a standard [16:59] i used to do script programming. the /home/user/.userconfig is something that can be scripted for each app [17:00] when put on a website, and perhaps with a series of checkboxes, crowdsourced with user submissions, i think's it's possible to create a user configurable script that would change all the paths within an application script to a specific directory/file pattern [17:00] which could be downloaded and ran === DGJones is now known as DJones [17:29] hello, do someone speak french here? [17:30] !fr | Caberu [17:30] Caberu: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. === holstein_ is now known as holstein [18:38] Ahmuck: most folks just sync or backup their /home folder and other needed configs [18:38] they are not public, as you suggest "put on a website", due to security concerns [20:24] Hello, could someone please tell me how to resize my mouse cursor in LXDE? Any help would be most appreciated. [20:27] Weston_: do you *really* want to learn? [20:27] Yes please. [20:27] Weston_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse [20:27] not easy! [20:28] Since it is possible, I'm happy. Thank you phillw for pointing me in the right direction :) [21:19] Greetings! [21:20] I gots a question as a noob. I got my hands real dirty real fast and...probably installed a bunch of things that have caused my lubuntu to run less than optimal. Is there a way to....keep some changes but not all? [21:22] you can uninstall some tihngs if they are dependencies [21:23] if they have dependcies that are bloated [21:23] check for bloated dependencies? [21:26] what do you think is not running optimally can you go to menu system tools task manager [21:26] and see how much you have used [21:28] wait [21:29] I see big numbers next to somethings. [21:29] what do these numbers mean? [21:29] The situation is firefox, I need it to run a 32-bit applet on my 64-bit OS. [21:30] I'm not on the machine right now. But I was looking to see what I could start figitting with. [21:32] yea... [21:35] Srry got disconnected. But...how do I look into the issue once I know where to look [21:45] I will find helping you easier if you are at the machine [21:46] firefox can be a memory hog on old hardware but knowing what is running slow will also help [21:48] Ok thanks! Are there other browsers that are useful and less resource consuming? [21:48] I have chromium...but that's also laggy. [21:49] I'll come back once on the machine. [22:09] Whatsup! Changed for Lubuntu and its great! [22:09] How do I map windows startmenu key to open Lubuntu menu ? [22:10] Reffter: don't have lubuntu in front of me but there's a lubuntu-rc.xml you need to edit [22:10] Reffter: if memory serves me correctly it's in ~/.config/openbox [22:10] How ? [22:11] Reffter: also pretty sure that the "windows" key is referred to more generally as "mod4" [22:11] Don't know nothing about terminal and commands, soz [22:11] Reffter: btw thanks, join the mailing list, hang out in irc with us, and we've got a place for you to contribute if you want to help with the project :) [22:12] Reffter: you can use leafpad to edit things. ~ refers to /home/yourusername [22:12] i will [22:12] oh god thanks, can you give me your reddit username ? [22:12] probably wxl but i honestly don't remember anymore :) [22:13] * wxl rarely uses reddit [22:13] ok xD [22:13] i opened the cfg with leafpad and now ? [22:14] * Reffter will create a account for wxl [22:14] * wxl can't remember what key opens the menu as is [22:14] * Reffter is joking and doesnt know nothing about Lubuntu [22:14] Hehe [22:15] argh [22:15] can you put that file up on pastebin? i'll tell you what to edit sheesh [22:16] oh === daker_ is now known as daker [22:17] search for A-F1 or Alt-F1 as that is the current key to open the menu [22:17] that and Control Escape [22:17] found [22:18] ok well can you find a reference to "Super" in there? [22:18] because i think openbox calls it the super key for whatever reason [22:18] lxsession-default launcher_manager lxsession-default launcher_manager Synaptic Power! [22:22] done [22:22] ok, now open up the terminal [22:22] don't be scared, you can do this :) [22:22] done [22:22] type in the following: [22:22] echo .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | pastebinit [22:23] then copy and paste the url here [22:23] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8227316/ [22:23] Oh, very nice [22:23] your pro [22:23] give me your email :3 [22:23] aw crap [22:23] i told you the wrong thing [22:23] cat .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | pastebinit [22:23] '-' [22:24] Lol? [22:24] yeah yeah :) [22:24] http://paste.ubuntu.com/ [22:24] nope [22:24] terminal send that [22:24] needs to have a number after it :) [22:24] basically replace "echo" with "cat" [22:24] terminal send that [22:24] try again [22:24] i did [22:24] it send: [22:25] Nop [22:25] no number [22:25] @Lubuntu:~$ cat .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/ [22:25] weird [22:25] oh yeah don't add the http://paste.ubuntu.com at the end [22:26] It send: [22:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com [22:26] try running: cat .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml [22:26] with no numbers [22:26] that command opened the file in term [22:26] ok [22:26] then what the heck [22:27] i'm so confused [22:27] i will send by pastebin [22:27] ok [22:28] worked : http://pastebin.com/A9sYszWS [22:29] Be fast please [22:29] need to sleep [22:29] 23:29 here [22:29] coming [22:30] so first make a copy of the file [22:30] as a backup [22:30] done [22:30] then edit it so that line 384 is: [22:30] save it [22:31] then get in the terminal and do: lxpanel restart [22:31] lxpanelctl restart [22:31] i mean [22:32] restarted [22:32] oh shoot [22:32] not working [22:32] you need to restart openbox [22:32] ah [22:32] command? [22:32] 1s [22:33] openbox --restart [22:33] done [22:33] not working [22:33] :( [22:33] darn [22:33] The "S" key from the alphabet iS doing that [22:33] :O [22:34] hi. any tips to shorten my boot time? i disabled some services, put in an ssd and cut down grub timeout. [22:34] OH [22:34] DHOW [22:34] Wait nikin [22:34] here we go. try using "Super_L" instead of "S" [22:34] k [22:35] YEY! [22:35] WORKING [22:35] THANK YOU [22:35] :) [22:35] no problem [22:35] that one's not in the wiki so i'll make sure to add it later [22:35] Only left works [22:35] but i dont care [22:35] only use left [22:35] if i want to use right i put Super_R [22:36] Yea, thx [22:36] email me : mfpmaster25@gmail.com [22:36] and say: hey, im wxl [22:36] thx! [22:36] need to go [22:36] yep [22:36] Reffter: wxl@ubuntu.com [22:36] Oh [22:37] You have official ubuntu [22:37] cool [22:37] easier to remember :) [22:37] well, it's simply a recognition of volunteering [22:37] can i have one to ? D: [22:37] which you can do too :) [22:37] yep! [22:37] you have to earn it :) [22:37] i wanted :D [22:37] nice [22:37] send me an email and we'll talk about how you can contribute [22:37] i will talk to you tomorrow [22:37] Portugal s2 [22:37] Pentium IV s2 [22:37] LUBUNTU ! [22:38] * Reffter is going to sleep [22:38] * Reffter says : Bye! [22:38] bye! [22:38] bye [22:38] Going to send a email right now [22:39] ∿ Reffter [22:39] bye [22:39] ↑ that's a wave [22:41] is it safe to remove update-notifier? [22:42] well you won't have any notifications nikin :) [22:43] wxl: i can live without them :) I already disabled it, but it stil starts up for some reason [22:45] it also remove update-manager and update-release-upgrader-gtk [22:46] but thats fine [22:47] thanks... good night