| pitti | Good morning | 03:27 |
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| thumper | hi pitti | 03:30 |
| thumper | pitti: happy 10 years | 03:31 |
| pitti | hey thumper; thanks! | 03:31 |
| thumper | pitti: I'm nearly at 8 | 03:31 |
| pitti | thumper: crazy how fast that piles up, isn't it? | 03:31 |
| thumper | uh ha | 03:31 |
| thumper | my daughters don't really remember me working away from home | 03:32 |
| thumper | eldest was 5 when I started | 03:32 |
| thumper | pitti: what are you doing up at 5:30am anyway? | 03:45 |
| pitti | thumper: getting up and start working :) | 03:45 |
| pitti | thumper: my wife needs to get up at 4:50, then it depends on how much I can still sleep | 03:46 |
| pitti | sometimes not any more, sometimes until 6:30 | 03:46 |
| thumper | ugh... too early for me | 03:46 |
| pitti | took some time for me to get used to it, too | 03:47 |
| sarnold | careful pitti, at this rate, you'll be getting up before you go to bed.. | 03:47 |
| pitti | heh; but I've been doing this for ~ 3 years now ;) | 03:47 |
| sarnold | two years back, when I joined, it seemed early, but this seems -super- early, hehe ;) | 03:48 |
| pitti | sarnold: yeah, certainly not the natural and recommended proper care for a hacker | 03:49 |
| sarnold | pitti: well, certainly not -this- hacker.. :) | 03:50 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:07 |
| didrocks | morning seb128 | 07:08 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 07:08 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey, how are you? what are you doing still online? ;-) | 07:22 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, bug fixing.. | 07:22 |
| seb128 | lightdm? | 07:22 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yeah | 07:36 |
| robert_ancell | bug 1364725 | 07:36 |
| ubot5 | bug 1364725 in lightdm (Ubuntu Trusty) "logind session ID not used due to race condition" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1364725 | 07:37 |
| seb128 | yeah, saw that one in my emails | 07:40 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, btw Laney is on vac, so don't worry if you don't get much feedback on the gnome-desktop transition this week | 07:40 |
| seb128 | I'm going to try to have a look, but it's not at the top of my list | 07:40 |
| seb128 | would be nice if the Ubuntu GNOME team was helping reviewing/testing since they are the ones that need that upload to land | 07:41 |
| robert_ancell | :) | 07:43 |
| darkxst | seb128, robert_ancell, I am planning to take a look at the gnome-desktop branches, but been quite busy this week, will get to it in the next day or 2 | 08:10 |
| seb128 | thanks | 08:11 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, ta | 08:11 |
| tkamppeter_ | will | 08:59 |
| tkamppeter_ | sorry | 08:59 |
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| ali1234 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1310788 | 11:23 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1310788 in unity-gtk-module (Ubuntu) "Thunar exists with segfault when accessing the context menu a second time" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 11:23 |
| ali1234 | this appears to be another crash caused by unity peeking into application menus | 11:23 |
| larsu | ali1234: unity shouldn't look into context menus | 11:24 |
| ali1234 | yeah, i know it *shouldn't* | 11:24 |
| ali1234 | but apparently it is | 11:24 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1363975 seems to be the same crash | 11:24 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1310788 in unity-gtk-module (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1363975 Thunar exists with segfault when accessing the context menu a second time" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 11:24 |
| ali1234 | e.u.c has a backtrace, it is definitely dying inside unity libs | 11:24 |
| larsu | ali1234: interesting. I'll have a look, thanks for bringing it up | 11:25 |
| ali1234 | thanks | 11:25 |
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| larsu | ali1234: does this happen on trusty for you? I can't seem to reproduce it here | 11:32 |
| ali1234 | no, but then i don't have unity installed | 11:33 |
| ali1234 | it certainly happens for someone somewhere at least once a day so it can't be that hard to reproduce | 11:33 |
| larsu | sure, I was just trying to find out if this might have been fixed already and just needs a backport | 11:36 |
| larsu | (also, we do have quite some users. Just because it happens to someone somewhere doesn't mean it's easy to reproduce) | 11:36 |
| ali1234 | thunar doesn't :) | 11:37 |
| ali1234 | i can't reproduce it on a system with only unity and thunar installed | 11:48 |
| larsu | what else do you need? | 11:49 |
| ali1234 | well the other possibility is xfce desktop while unity is also installed | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | but i don't have a system like that immediately available | 11:50 |
| larsu | I guess this commit is supposed to fix that: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-gtk-module/trunk.14.10/revision/331 | 11:51 |
| ali1234 | yes, indeed | 11:52 |
| larsu | I can't test with a xfce system right now either | 11:52 |
| larsu | backporting that commit should be easy | 11:53 |
| ali1234 | yeah. of course that doesn't really fix the problem, it just prevents the conditions that trigger it :) | 11:54 |
| ali1234 | it's also possible the user is running thunar in unity and some other condition that we don't have is causing the crash | 11:56 |
| larsu | ya, backporting would be a first step to make the crash go away | 11:57 |
| larsu | I'll gladly debug it if you find a way to reproduce this in unity | 11:57 |
| ali1234 | what's more, the error reports stopped on 21st august, so maybe it is already fixed | 11:57 |
| larsu | and I'll point attente to the problem (he's maintaining u-g-m) | 11:58 |
| ali1234 | thanks. i'll see if we can reproduce it somehow or get more information from the reporter | 11:58 |
| ali1234 | mterry: can we get XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP in the crash reports please? | 12:08 |
| mterry | ali1234, hm? Which crash reports? | 12:08 |
| ali1234 | on errors.ubuntu.com | 12:08 |
| seb128 | seems like you ping the wrong person there? | 12:09 |
| seb128 | that would rather be a question for ev/bdmurray/pitti I would say | 12:10 |
| ali1234 | ah, my mistake | 12:10 |
| seb128 | we do include that info on apport report to launchpad | 12:10 |
| seb128 | so could be a e.u.c side change | 12:11 |
| Saviq | hi all, having a problem with lightdm here, I'm on a dual-GPU (Optimus) system here, and lightdm just will not start X when I disable Optimus and run with only the nvidia card (proprietary driver) | 14:07 |
| Saviq | any ideas? | 14:07 |
| Saviq | I can startx and run the session just fine, it's just lightdm never even tries (no Xorg log or anything, nothing interesting in lightdm log...) | 14:08 |
| willcooke | Saviq, sounds like that could be a robert_ancell question. I'll ask him and get back to you (unless someone else knows in the meantime...) | 14:27 |
| Saviq | willcooke, yeah, I though to bug him, but not around | 14:28 |
| Saviq | willcooke, thanks | 14:28 |
| willcooke | Saviq, it's about 2am for him :) | 14:28 |
| Saviq | I even reinstalled, thought I broke something after having removed nvidia + nouveau due to a hardware issue | 14:28 |
| Saviq | willcooke, sclacker | 14:28 |
| Saviq | -c | 14:28 |
| willcooke | Saviq, I know right! | 14:28 |
| willcooke | Saviq, I've mailed him | 14:30 |
| Saviq | willcooke, thanks | 14:30 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey | 14:44 |
| kenvandine | hey seb128 | 14:45 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, going to do an u-s-s landing in the next days? ;-) | 14:45 |
| kenvandine | seb128, yes... been blocked by what's in silo 10 | 14:45 |
| kenvandine | which they are working on landing now | 14:45 |
| kenvandine | i have a bunch of branches building in silo 20 now | 14:45 |
| kenvandine | which will need a respin after 10 lands and merges | 14:45 |
| seb128 | k | 14:46 |
| mvo | seb128: hi, do you know what plans Laney has with the gobject intospection multiarch work? I would love to get it in for 14.10 and I know Laney wants to push it for experimental too | 14:46 |
| mvo | I'm curious about timeline etc | 14:46 |
| seb128 | mvo, hey, he's on vac until the 11 | 14:47 |
| mvo | oh | 14:47 |
| * mvo scratches head | 14:47 | |
| seb128 | mvo, but he uploaded https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gobject-introspection/news/20140831T003420Z.html | 14:47 |
| seb128 | he said gir needs rebuilds iirc | 14:47 |
| seb128 | let me look at my irc logs | 14:47 |
| mvo | seb128: I wonder if I can simply go ahead in ubuntu, ideally prepare it all in a PPA and then mass-copy. but I would need a trusted ppa for that, right? | 14:57 |
| seb128 | mvo, that seems like a transition/something that needs a ffe to me | 14:58 |
| mvo | seb128: hrm, that not like it was in the old days :P | 14:58 |
| * mvo files one | 14:58 | |
| seb128 | mvo, indeed not! | 14:59 |
| seb128 | mvo, oh, found back the log, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/09/02/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t18:09 | 15:02 |
| mvo | seb128: not that much it seems :) | 15:03 |
| seb128 | mvo, no, but basically it's "either take the hit and do the work, or wait for things to be tested in Debian and sync" | 15:03 |
| seb128 | you can probably help in Debian and then sync | 15:03 |
| mvo | seb128: ok | 15:06 |
| marga | Trevinho, do you think there's any data that we could provide to help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1311316 (input field missing from Unity's lockscreen)? | 15:13 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1311316 in Unity "After locking screen there is no input field to type password for unlock" [High,Triaged] | 15:13 |
| Trevinho | marga: mh, not sure... I've a workaround in mind but it's probably something due to a race... | 15:14 |
| marga | Trevinho, I have quite a number of affected users that can reproduce this on a daily basis, so if there's any data to gather, I could do it. | 15:14 |
| marga | Yes, I agree it's due to a race. Reports state that it's much more likely to happen when on high load | 15:14 |
| Trevinho | marga: ah, ok... I'm not getting that for a long time, but if you've some people affected it would be probably nice to give them a debug version through ppa, to understand more | 15:15 |
| marga | sure | 15:15 |
| didrocks | fginther: hey, did you received my email about the lost jenkins jobs? | 15:19 |
| fginther | didrocks, yes, the jobs were accidentally deleted. I have a backup of them, I just need to get them restored after dealing with a few other critical issues | 15:24 |
| didrocks | fginther: ok thanks! I hope you backed up the version which autologin/add sudoer and so on (for a reminder of what to check) | 15:24 |
| didrocks | fginther: I'll create the chaining jobs then | 15:24 |
| fginther | didrocks, yeah, in this case it was just the job configuration that was removed. the VMs should still be there | 15:25 |
| didrocks | great ;) | 15:25 |
| * fginther will also check for that | 15:25 | |
| didrocks | thanks a lot! | 15:25 |
| ara | seb128, any idea why this xserver-xorg upload to trusty-proposed is not being reflected in the pending sru report? (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru) | 15:48 |
| ara | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/2:1.15.1-0ubuntu2.1 | 15:48 |
| seb128 | ara, it is listed? | 15:51 |
| ara | seb128, no, that's my question. It is not listed in the trusty pending packages, and I don't know why :) | 15:52 |
| seb128 | ara, well, I see it here | 15:52 |
| ara | seb128, sorry, I see it now, my bad | 15:52 |
| ara | :( | 15:52 |
| seb128 | want a screenshot of the page? | 15:52 |
| seb128 | ara, no worry ;-) | 15:52 |
| ara | seb128, thanks, and sorry :) | 15:53 |
| seb128 | nw! | 15:53 |
| marga | Trevinho, I'm awfully jetlagged and so I'm not sure if I understood you correctly. Is there a version that would help debugging already available? Are you going to make it available? Do you need anything from me? | 15:55 |
| Trevinho | marga: I don't have it yet, but we could do it if you have someone that can easily reproduce the issue | 15:55 |
| marga | I have several someones | 15:58 |
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| kenvandine | seb128_, i have that folks change ready to upload, modified from yesterday based on my chat with bigon_ | 16:53 |
| kenvandine | seb128_, it'll introduce a NEW binary | 16:53 |
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| seb128 | kenvandine, k, I'm about to be away but I can new review that a bit later | 16:54 |
| kenvandine | thx | 16:54 |
| kenvandine | i'm submitting it to debian too, but can't seem to get reportbug to work | 16:55 |
| kenvandine | the locking bug... | 16:55 |
| Laney | mvo: I didn't plan on doing that for 14.10 but was rather going to do it in exp and fix things there as much as possible before next cycle | 17:07 |
| Laney | is it urgent for you? | 17:07 |
| bigon_ | 18:03 < bigon> kenvandine: didn't you also forgot to move " usr/lib/*/libfolks-dummy.so.*" ? | 17:08 |
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| kenvandine | bigon, i didn't forget it, i left it since it's a lib... simpler to leave it there | 17:08 |
| kenvandine | it won't load without the backend plugin | 17:08 |
| bigon | the for libfolks-eds the lib is in the same pkg as the module | 17:11 |
| bigon | I guess we should follow this here non? | 17:11 |
| bigon | need to go now | 17:12 |
| kenvandine | bigon, ok, i'll do that | 17:12 |
| mvo | Laney: aha, ok. not really urgent, it would be nice as it would unblock ubuntu-sdk-libs:$arch but I just checked the rdepends and the amount if quite substantial, so I guess utopic is a bit too ambitious | 17:28 |
| mvo | Laney: I will play around a bit in a ppa and see how bad it is (or have you prepared stuff already?) | 17:33 |
| robert_ancell | Saviq, are you getting bug 1305006? | 20:06 |
| ubot5 | bug 1305006 in Light Display Manager "Crashes running display server scripts for non X servers" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1305006 | 20:06 |
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| Saviq | robert_ancell, reading | 21:03 |
| Saviq | robert_ancell, I don't *think* it was crashing, let me find out again | 21:05 |
| robert_ancell | Saviq, do you have the lightdm.log? | 21:05 |
| Saviq | robert_ancell, no, no crash, this is all that's left in /var/crash; /var/log after a "initctl start lightdm" with no X ever started http://paste.ubuntu.com/8226876/ | 21:20 |
| Saviq | robert_ancell, and I'm trying to run a standard ubuntu desktop session, no unity8 involved | 21:20 |
| robert_ancell | Saviq, oh interesting. What does "loginctl list-seats" give you? | 21:21 |
| Saviq | robert_ancell, seat0 | 21:21 |
| robert_ancell | Because LightDM appears to think there are no seats | 21:22 |
| Saviq | robert_ancell, but I'm running a session through "startx" now, let me log into IRC from somewhere else | 21:22 |
| Saviq | brb | 21:22 |
| robert_ancell | And "loginctl show-seat seat0" | 21:22 |
| Saviq_ | robert_ancell:ok, here from another pc, loginctl says seat0, 1 seats, no greeter | 21:24 |
| robert_ancell | I want to check if seat0 has CanGraphical=false | 21:25 |
| Saviq_ | robert_ancell:CanGraphical=no | 21:26 |
| robert_ancell | That's the issue. Why does it think that? | 21:26 |
| Saviq_ | you tell me :) | 21:26 |
| robert_ancell | Can you file a bug with this info an we'll try and dig into loginds logic to determine what's going on | 21:27 |
| robert_ancell | I suspect that disabling Optimus is making logind think there's no video card | 21:28 |
| Saviq_ | robert_ancell:this has worked for me Fri morning, btw | 21:30 |
| Saviq_ | except I'm on a different mobo now, different BIOS, wonder if that affects things | 21:31 |
| robert_ancell | Saviq_, yeah, we changed to honoring what logind specifies, so before we just ignored CanGraphical as startx will also | 21:31 |
| Saviq_ | ah, nice coincidence... could've saved me a reinstall this morning :) | 21:31 |
| robert_ancell | Yeah, sorry. Was busy sleeping at 2am :P | 21:33 |
| Saviq_ | robert_ancell:yeah, we already decided with willcooke you're a slacker | 21:33 |
| Saviq_ | bug #1365165 | 21:33 |
| ubot5 | bug 1365165 in systemd (Ubuntu) "logind says CanGraphical=no with Optimus disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365165 | 21:33 |
| robert_ancell | Lucky we have such little overlap he's calmed down before I next see him and he doesn't fire me | 21:34 |
| robert_ancell | Saviq_, ta | 21:34 |
| Saviq_ | robert_ancell:let me know if I can get you anything else, I'll try downgrading lightdm then | 21:34 |
| robert_ancell | Saviq_, you should be safe with lightdm <= 1.11.7. I'll start digging into how logind does the CanGraphical determination - currently have no knowledge there | 21:35 |
| Saviq_ | robert_ancell:good enough, thanks a bunch | 21:35 |
| robert_ancell | Saviq_, can you add a lspci to the bug report? | 21:40 |
| Saviq_ | robert_ancell:will do | 21:47 |
| Saviq | robert_ancell, and yeah, downgraded lightdm works like a charm, thanks! | 21:52 |
| * Saviq missed his second screen | 21:53 | |
| Saviq | robert_ancell, lspci uploaded | 21:55 |
| robert_ancell | Saviq, ta | 21:55 |
| robert_ancell | Your system is different to mine. Mine shows both an Intel and NVIDIA VGA controller on the PCI bus. Yours only seems to have NVIDIA | 21:58 |
| robert_ancell | But you must have an Intel controller somewhere | 21:58 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, ^ any insights into Optimus and where the Intel controller would be? | 21:59 |
| RAOF | Saviq: When you say “disable optimus” what do you mean? Do you mean flick a bios switch to “nvidia only” or somesuch? | 22:24 |
| Saviq | RAOF, yes | 22:39 |
| Saviq | RAOF, it literally says "Enable Optimus" and a checkbox | 22:39 |
| Saviq | robert_ancell, ↑ | 22:39 |
| Saviq | robert_ancell, I explicitly disable the intel one in the BIOS to be able to use external monitors properly, otherwise I end up in hybrid/prime and stuff's not so great | 22:40 |
| RAOF | You're using the binary nvidia drivers like all the UI heathens, aren't you? | 22:40 |
| Saviq | RAOF, not for long now ;) | 22:41 |
| Saviq | RAOF, but yeah, nouveau just doesn't cut it, and with intel alone I only get the VGA out | 22:42 |
| RAOF | I just wonder whether this bug is actually “logind doesn't understand that non-kms drivers can run X”. | 22:42 |
| Saviq | and with hybrid all hell breaks loose with multimonitor | 22:42 |
| RAOF | tselliot would be interested in your hybrid experiences, methinks. | 22:43 |
| RAOF | On the basis that he's been doing much of the “can we make hybrid work” bits. | 22:44 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, yeah, that's what I was thinking | 22:45 |
| robert_ancell | Is that solvable? | 22:45 |
| RAOF | Not really, no. | 22:46 |
| RAOF | logind can't know if X will run without actually running X. | 22:47 |
| RAOF | Which makes me wonder what CanGraphical is meant to be. | 22:47 |
| robert_ancell | yeah | 22:47 |
| robert_ancell | CanGraphical means "has a graphical device associated with this seat: | 22:47 |
| robert_ancell | " | 22:47 |
| RAOF | Yeah, it's a barefaced lie. | 22:48 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, is there an alternative method of telling if a binary driver device is present, i.e. can we just patch logind? | 22:48 |
| RAOF | Well, it *could* do that correctly, I guess. By doing pci/usb/whatever probing equivalent to what X does... | 22:48 |
| RAOF | Saviq: Hey, could you dump “udevadm info --export-db” output on that bug? | 22:49 |
| Saviq | RAOF, done | 22:50 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: We could, assuming that we have udev rules that appropriately tag all possible output devices with seats, and then logind can *distinguish* all possible output devices... | 22:51 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, so it might just be a missing udev rule? | 22:52 |
| RAOF | Plausibly. | 22:52 |
| RAOF | So, I'm not sure what logind checks, but Saviq's udev output shows that there's nothing with an appropriate seat tag. | 22:55 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, but there is a device that could/should be tagged? | 22:56 |
| robert_ancell | i.e. udev at least knows about the device | 22:56 |
| RAOF | Not sure. There's both a drm device and P: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0 with DRIVER=nvidia, so at least in this case there's options. | 22:57 |
| RAOF | But I'm not sure if logind is (for example) looking for a framebuffer or something. | 22:58 |
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