[07:26] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Are you around?
[08:39] <brainwash> Noskcaj: hey, can you please mark bug 1014891 as won't fix (as per upstream status)
[09:02] <Noskcaj> done
[09:06] <brainwash> Noskcaj: thank you :)
[09:11] <Noskcaj> brainwash, You should try and get bug control rights. it's not particularly hard
[09:11] <brainwash> thanks for reminding me >.<
[09:12] <brainwash> :P
[09:24] <brainwash> Noskcaj: on more, bug 1013945 to low or wishlist even
[09:25] <brainwash> that's it
[09:30] <Noskcaj> done
[09:30] <brainwash> awesome, thanks
[09:41] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: hey, what's up?
[09:52] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Could you take a look at the exo rebuild bug?
[09:52] <Noskcaj> And what is your plan with the xfce 4.10/4.12 PPAs?
[09:53] <Noskcaj> I think we should try and have a PPA for backports like the 4.10 was, and use staging for what the 4.12 was
[09:53] <Noskcaj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exo/+bug/1308533
[09:54] <Noskcaj> Lastly, could you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#Sean_Davis_.28bluesabre.29 to mention that you are the head of devel, etc.
[10:11] <bluesabre> updated your wiki page
[10:12] <bluesabre> we've been using xubuntu-staging for most of that, but it would make sense to throw release builds into the xfce-4.12 ppa
[10:39] <james0r> on 14.04 and looking to test xfce 4.12 out. is there a ppa for this yet?
[10:41] <bluesabre> daily builds of several components: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging
[10:42] <bluesabre> (and some stable, not daily builds)
[10:42]  * bluesabre needs to fix the daily xfce4-settings package later
[10:43] <bluesabre> not broken, but new builds are blocked since we merged something upstream
[10:44] <james0r> bluesabre, great i'll check it out. thx
[10:45] <brainwash> james0r: you should read http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ if you are interested in contributing
[10:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: "Stable" releases are nicer, though.
[10:46] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah... suppose I'll update the PPAs later
[10:46] <bluesabre> :)
[10:47] <Unit193> I'd offer to help, but that'd be pointless. :P
[10:49] <james0r> brainwash, cool. bookmarking both right now for when i get back home.
[10:52] <bluesabre> :)
[10:52] <bluesabre> thankfully we've uploaded most, so I can just backport them to the ppa
[10:53] <brainwash> bluesabre: bug 1349056 still makes me wonder, is there anything which needs to be fixed? misconfiguration caused by the user -> not a bug?
[10:55] <bluesabre> brainwash: I'll work through that one with ochosi... there's a patch that needs to be applied to xfpm (see comment #5)
[10:56] <brainwash> the inverted logic?
[10:57] <bluesabre> yeah, this bit is confusing, but reviewing the code seems to indicate as such
[10:58] <brainwash> mmh, can we add https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11113 as bugwatch?
[11:00] <bluesabre> thats the one
[11:00] <james0r> how breaky is the xubuntu-staging ppa?
[11:01] <bluesabre> there's always a risk, but each of the projects stays in a mostly stable state consistently. I run it and update daily with no issues
[11:02] <james0r> bluesabre, okay cool. this machine isn't used for much, minor breakage ain't a big deal.
[11:03] <bluesabre> brainwash: btw, I'd still not consider that bug a regression, it breaks a former workaround
[11:03] <bluesabre> but I might be wrong in that regard
[11:05] <brainwash> bluesabre: I just want to mark the report accordingly, if there is no bug in the xfce4-power-manager package -> invalid
[11:05] <bluesabre> its a gray area
[11:05] <bluesabre> leave it open for now
[11:05] <brainwash> ofc
[11:05] <bluesabre> and we can close it when the next xfpm release comes out with that patch (ochosi)
[11:12] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: uploaded the rebuild package... I'll be out most of the day, so if possible, please field any questions
[11:12] <brainwash> should we discuss bug 1271169 at some point (meeting)?
[11:13] <brainwash> it's just one of these reports which will stay open for an eternity
[11:13] <brainwash> and I cannot just close it
[11:14] <brainwash> normally I would, but it's penalvch who filed the report =S
[11:15] <bluesabre> poke ochosi with it
[11:15] <bluesabre> gotta run now, bbl
[11:15] <knome> brainwash, get the bugsquad membership.
[11:16] <knome> brainwash, how many times do i have to tell you this? :)
[11:18] <brainwash> it's bugcontrol
[11:18] <brainwash> how many times do i have to tell you this? :D
[11:19] <ali1234> penalvch closes my bugs all the time :(
[11:19] <brainwash> ochosi does not like it when I subscribe him to "random" bug reports
[11:22] <brainwash> ali1234: uhm, did you talk to the ubuntu guys about thunar's incompatibility with unity-gtk-module?
[11:22] <ali1234> no, i'll go and ask them now
[11:22] <brainwash> ok :)
[11:26] <ali1234> okay, larsu is having a look :)
[11:33] <knome> brainwash, as many as i have to tell you to get a membership to it!
[11:36] <ali1234> anyone got a system with unity and xfce installed?
[11:37] <knome> i'm sure somebody does...
[11:43] <ali1234> bug 1310788 needs to be tested for reproducability on a system with xfce and unity installed
[11:43] <ali1234> reporter didn't say if they are using xfce or have just installed thunar in unity or something
[12:51] <elfy> ali1234: I could possibly do that xfce/unity thing in a vm if that's of use
[12:51] <ali1234> yes please
[12:52] <elfy> ok - I'll do it later today 
[12:52] <elfy> what do I need to install though - ubuntu-desktop? 
[12:53] <ali1234> unity-gtk-module
[12:53] <ali1234> you know, the usual suspects
[12:54] <elfy> okey doke - I'll set that off in a moment and check the bug later
[12:54] <elfy> well ... I don't know - I wouldn't know unity if it jumped up and bit me
[12:58] <elfy> ali1234: can't confirm that 
[12:58] <ali1234> hmm
[12:58] <ali1234> i guess we wait for more info from the reporter then
[12:58] <elfy> but reading the bug report - it would seem they're using thunar in ubuntu
[13:01] <elfy> if I can garner enough interest I'll install ubuntu and thunar
[13:05] <ali1234> ubuntu and thunar doesn't reproduce it - i tried that one
[13:05] <ali1234> so reporter obviously has some relatively unique setup
[13:06] <elfy> well xubuntu + unity-gtk2/3-modules doesn't either
[13:06] <ali1234> not completely unique though, we got quite a few crash reports, but they don't have much information
[13:06] <ali1234> or it has to be a specific menu or possibly some locale thing
[13:06] <elfy> ali1234: yea - thunar seems to be good at that - I'll install -desktop in xubuntu seen what happens with that
[13:07] <elfy> off again now
[16:06] <Luyin> hi
[16:06] <elfy> hi Luyin 
[16:06] <elfy> afternoon all
[16:07] <Luyin> elfy: my computer atm has free resources to do some testing. are there any test to do today?
[16:09] <elfy> Luyin: there are daily tests for 32 and 64 bit - daily :D
[16:09] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds
[16:10] <Luyin> perfect, hehe ;)
[16:11] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy 
[16:12] <elfy> hi slickymasterWork 
[16:30] <elfy> Luyin: seriously though, there are dailies - 7 days a week, they are generally updated by ~11:00 UTC, possibly before
[16:31] <elfy> the only times there are NOT dailies is if we have either stopped builds for milestones (alpha/beta's) or there is an issue with the build - in which case you'd see the last good build until we got a good new onw
[16:31] <Luyin> elfy: all right, then I'll try to do one every day if I can. more if I don't need my CPU :D
[16:31] <elfy> hope that helps
[16:31] <Luyin> how do I see if there is a build stop? are the build unavailable then?
[16:32] <elfy> no - there would be a build but it would have an 'old' date against it
[16:32] <Luyin> ah okay
[16:32] <Luyin> I've got a question here
[16:32] <Luyin> I'm just trying the "auto-resize" build
[16:32] <elfy> ok 
[16:32] <elfy> hardware or virtual?
[16:33] <elfy> is the space actually large enough to take 2 installs?
[16:33] <Luyin> but since it's a fresh vm, I don't have an OS next to which xubu could be installed :D so I'm not exactly meeting the requirements to proceed, since I can't "Select Install Xubuntu XX.XX alongside SYSTEM YY "
[16:33] <Luyin> I guess your questions are answered with this, elfy 
[16:34] <elfy> Luyin: when I'm doing the whole set I do this - in a 15Gb vbox 
[16:34] <elfy> clean install, resize, manual 
[16:34] <elfy> then you've got a clean install which you can resize :)
[16:34] <elfy> so if you've only got time to do one - do a clean
[16:35] <elfy> tomorrow - do a resize 
[16:35] <elfy> does that make sense? 
[16:35] <Luyin> yep, it does. so I'll just cancel this one and do a clean install instead today
[16:36] <elfy> yep - tomorrow you can do a resize on today's install :)
[16:36] <elfy> you know about zsync?
[16:36] <Luyin> zsync auto-updates my file if I run the command again, right?
[16:36] <elfy> if you zsync it yep 
[16:36] <Luyin> yes I did this
[16:36] <Luyin> very handy :)
[16:36] <elfy> indeed it is :)
[16:37] <elfy> I've aliased them - lazy :p
[16:38] <Luyin> elfy: ctrl+r is my friend ;)
[16:39] <elfy> 64l is mine - or 32l ;)
[17:03] <elfy> ali1234: installed ubuntu-desktop in an updated utopic, started ubuntu - thunar - no crash if I right click a bunch of times - making sure there was no daemon, xfce and xubuntu desktop - same thing
[17:15] <ali1234> elfy: thanks. hopefully attente can get to the bottom of it
[17:15] <elfy> do you want me to comment in thread as to what I've done for attente 
[17:15] <elfy> or will it just be noise
[17:16] <ali1234> probably just noise if you never managed to reproduce and the guy is using unity
[17:16] <elfy> yea
[17:16] <ali1234> it's really down to reporter to give more details (or just post the damn crash dump already)
[17:16] <elfy> though if needed I could install unity and thunar 
[17:16] <elfy> yea - just seen that
[17:16] <ali1234> nah, i tried that already
[17:17] <ali1234> and so did larsu
[17:17] <ali1234> we couldn't repro
[17:17] <ali1234> so there must be some third variable we don't know about
[17:17] <elfy> okey doke
[17:17] <elfy> well shout if there is anything I can do 
[17:23] <brainwash> ali1234: aren't the hidden error reports helpful?
[17:24] <ali1234> dunno. they're on the bug report anyway
[17:24] <ali1234> there's only so much a backtrace can tell you, when dealing with dbus and gtk
[17:25] <ali1234> but it would be good to at least confirm it is the same bug from e.u.c
[17:25] <brainwash> ok =S
[17:54] <Luyin> clean install ran perfectly. reporting in a mom
[18:00] <Luyin> reported
[18:01] <ochosi> thanks Luyin 
[18:01] <Luyin> np ochosi 
[18:01] <Luyin> doing the next one already ;)
[18:02] <ochosi> awesome
[18:08] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[18:08] <elfy> thanks Luyin :)
[18:08] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[18:09] <Luyin> elfy: you're welcome. I wish I could do more, especially translations, but I'm running low on time atm ;/
[18:10] <elfy> Luyin: everything that you do is appreciated
[18:17] <Luyin> elfy: I'm having strange behaviour again. how large is a raw, fresh xubuntu 14.10 install?
[18:18] <Luyin> might be my virtual partition is too small
[18:22] <elfy> installer tells you it wants 6.2Gb free space
[18:23] <Luyin> ok then this is my error. I'm off to dinner now, but going on later. c u
[18:29] <brainwash> Noskcaj: can you please split the status of bug 1307251 into trusty/utopic? the last comment requested it
[18:30] <brainwash> we won't sru this stuff, it's just too minor
[18:30] <brainwash> but what about the micro release policy?
[18:32] <brainwash> however, backporting xfdesktop4 to trusty should be fine too, but I have no clue if this will have any success
[18:34] <dkessel> erm... what's the workaround again for "broken graphics on utopic daily installer"?
[18:35] <dkessel> in a vm....
[18:45] <elfy> one that's black screen dkessel ?
[18:45] <elfy> if so F1/F7 works in vbox 
[18:46] <dkessel> that was a pixelated, large, mouse cursor. background was black. i am now trying the image upgrade test
[19:05] <dkessel> elfy: right, if forgot i had to use <host key>+F1 to get vbox to send the key press to the guest. now running the image upgrade test...
[19:19] <Luyin> bbl
[20:11] <dkessel> omg the desktop guide seems long when you start translating it....
[20:12] <elfy> took me no time at all to translate it into Australian ... 
[20:16] <dkessel> meh
[20:17] <brainwash> use google translate?
[20:17] <brainwash> saves some time :>
[20:23] <dkessel> ew
[20:24] <dkessel> ...and gives really nice results. have you ever played "translation party"?
[20:24] <dkessel> http://translationparty.com/
[20:24] <brainwash> is google translate still that bad?
[20:28] <dkessel> no. but google is still no native speaker
[20:34] <brainwash> not yet
[20:36] <brainwash> I never bothered to start translating stuff, because usually there are enough german translators available
[20:58] <dkessel> I am done for today...
[21:27] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, I've started to put all the xubuntu apps into ppa:noskcaj/xubuntu , they could go into whatever our "supported" ppa is (Stuff that's stable enough for anyone to use)
[23:06] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: good work! :D
[23:49] <bluesabre> ochosi, ali1234: noticed these keys in xfwm4 conf... which one is the currently valid one?
[23:50] <bluesabre> <property name="dbl_click_time" type="int" value="400"/>
[23:50] <bluesabre> <property name="double_click_time" type="int" value="250"/>