[01:13] <dethredic> I'm running XUbuntu 14.04 with intel iris graphics. With the following package everything works fine: xfwm4=4.11.1-2ubuntu2. When I upgraded to 4.11.1-2ubuntu3.01~eugenesan~trusty1 I no longer see titlebars on maximized windows. Reverting fixes the problem.
[01:15] <Unit193> "4.11.1-2ubuntu3.01~eugenesan~trusty1" is from a PPA, not us.
[01:17] <dethredic> Unit193: Why am I getting that update then?
[01:19] <dethredic> nvm, I see I have his PPA
[01:19] <Unit193> Because you added https://launchpad.net/~eugenesan/+archive/ubuntu/ppa that ppa?  Seems he's never met  apackage he didn't like...
[01:24] <dethredic> I wonder what I installed from him
[01:24] <Unit193> Also, fwiw: - Allow to hide titlebar of maximized windows: 0003-added-titleless-maximization-feature.patch
[01:25] <Unit193> Well, you can remove it, then update, then apt list | grep installed,loc  and see what looks like it came from him.
[02:39] <ferr> Sup any suggestions to tile windows to corners?
[02:42] <baegle> I just upgraded to 14.04 (thinkpad x230). Resuming from suspend, I get the login window, but after logging in, the screen is completely black. I think the backlight is completely off. But my ttys work (after a second, presumably for the backlight to turn on). How can I toggle the backlight on my X session from a separate tty session?
[02:44] <Unit193> Hmmm, wasn't it  xset dpms force on  ?
[02:45] <kerriDoti> hi all.
[02:48] <kerriDoti> can anyone tell me the name of, or more to the point, what the shortcut is to hide/show the window. (((the fourth up arrow button next to the minimize, maximize, and close buttons?)))
[02:49] <baegle> Unit193: was that for me?
[02:51] <Unit193> kerriDoti: Shade.
[02:51] <Unit193> baegle: Yes, generally.
[02:52] <baegle> Unit193: I get the message - unable to open display ""
[02:55] <Unit193> Because DISPLAY isn't set.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1303736 - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1357090
[02:55] <Unit193> You could just  sudo service lightdm restart  the whole thing is a mess, basically.
[02:56] <baegle> lightdm restart would kill my session though
[02:56] <baegle> right?
[02:57] <Unit193> Right.
[02:57] <baegle> right, so that's only a hair better than rebooting
[02:58] <baegle> could I xset and provide it with a display number?
[02:58] <Unit193> export DISPLAY=:0  because it's most likely :0
[02:59] <kerriDoti> Unit193: !Thank you! Now i need to figure out how to do a keyboard shortcut for it, instead of mouse scroll or clicking the arrow button.
[02:59] <baegle> on or off seem to have no effect, but no error. Unfortunately, I'm not in a state to test it unless "off" would do something
[03:00] <Unit193> kerriDoti: Settings Manager -> Window Manager -> Shade
[03:00] <Unit193> Err, Keyboard -> Shade
[03:00] <kerriDoti> cool, will take a look.
[03:05] <kerriDoti> Unit193: Thank you! Got it. Under windows manager. I made a shortcut. Awesomeness!
[03:05] <Unit193> Great.
[04:53] <akis> hi all. anyway to make 'software&updates' to be shown in panel's indicator plugin on 14.04?
[09:03] <xubuntu498> what driver shud i use for intel grapics media accelrator ? Shud i download the driver for ubuntu or fedora ? and how to install it ?
[09:04] <ObrienDave> hang on a sec
[09:05] <ObrienDave> look here ==> https://01.org/linuxgraphics/
[09:07] <xubuntu498> I am on the Intel site.. there is drivers..
[09:07] <ObrienDave> yes, there are
[09:07] <brainwash> the intel driver is already pre-installed and used by default, you only need to download it manually if you need the latest version of it
[09:09] <xubuntu498> The driver is included in xubuntu ?
[09:10] <brainwash> it is
[09:10] <xubuntu498> good
[09:10] <brainwash> the package is called xserver-xorg-video-intel
[09:10] <xubuntu498> But some vide run slow.. i am not sure what it can be..
[09:10] <xubuntu498> videos
[09:10] <ObrienDave> do you have xubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[09:11] <xubuntu498> I dont think so.. i have never heard about it.. i only installed xubuntu and the updates.
[09:12] <ObrienDave> open a terminal, copy and paste, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:12] <xubuntu498> can i do it for softwarecenter ?
[09:13] <ObrienDave> think so, i haven't used USC in quite a while
[09:13] <ObrienDave> you can try in synaptic
[09:14] <xubuntu498> shud i use it ?
[09:14] <ObrienDave> as you wish
[09:16] <xubuntu498> youtube works.. some few tv channles run slow.. i am not sure it is the driver or what.. the flashplayr works good i think.
[09:17] <ObrienDave> if streaming media runs slow, it's usually a connection issue
[09:17] <ObrienDave> 99.9% of the time
[09:18] <xubuntu498> i tought the same.
[09:19] <ObrienDave> anyway, installing xubuntu-restricted-extras won't harm your system and makes some video files appear cleaner
[09:19] <ObrienDave> and run smoother
[09:23] <xubuntu498> I found it in the softwarecenter.
[09:24] <ObrienDave> cool
[09:29] <xubuntu498> I allready have iced tea java and flashplayer.. shud i install the xubuntu restricted extras anyway ?
[09:30] <ObrienDave> it won't hurt
[09:51] <xubuntu355> is the xubuntu restricted extras installing the flashplayer over again ?
[09:52] <ObrienDave> could be, only if newer version
[09:54] <xubuntu355> shud i use this package on lubuntu too ? i found it in softwarecenter.
[09:55] <ObrienDave> there is a lubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:55] <ObrienDave> and a kubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:06] <xubuntu355> is this packaged include java ?
[10:08] <ObrienDave> not that i know of
[12:08] <TaxmanBD> hey guyz
[12:08] <TaxmanBD> anyone got a suggestion for lightweight browser? I tried midori and while it's quite lightweight it's terribly buggy
[13:19] <B11> Hello
[13:47] <Tots> Hiya guys, I need to get x11vnc to execute on startup pre-login. Where is the best place to write to and what params do I need to use to get it to play nicely? I'm using -forever and -usepw
[13:47] <Tots> I've tried writing to rc.local, and made a script in /etc/init/ and even tried adding a line in etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
[13:48] <Unit193> I use an upstart job myself.
[13:50] <Tots> Doesn't upstart only work after you login?
[13:50] <Unit193> Upstart is the init system.  Start it on the right task and you're good.
[13:51] <Tots> how can I do this? I'm still a tad new to linux.
[13:52] <Unit193> I use http://paste.openstack.org/show/mD8aXqdAUH1bKxQip8Bi myself, but it really should be fixed.
[13:53] <Tots> why are you doing so much exporting of displays? Can't I just run x11vnc -usepw -forever and be solid? I've got something similar to that in my /etc/init
[13:55] <Tots> www.pastebin.com/sPu4PVkT is what I've got a x11vnc.conf in my /etc/init
[13:55] <akis> hi all. i need a little help. i tried to move from one user to another a directory containing other directories and i gave the command sudo mv /home/user/* /home/user_other/. the system doesnt gave me any error, the files are not any more in user but there not also in user_other. what happened?
[13:55] <Tots> Do I need to have that run by something or is everything in that directory automatically handled?
[13:58] <Unit193> Tots: You should check the log, but generally doesn't know what auth to use.
[13:58] <gabkdlly> akis: What user are you using to look at user_other ?
[13:58] <akis> i log in in user_other using the passw
[13:58] <Tots> Unit193, where can I find the log?
[13:59] <Tots> akis, so you'd enter the password of the user instead of a specific one?
[13:59] <gabkdlly> akis: My guess is that all the files and folders that got moved retained their ownership by user, and are thus not viewable by user_other.  Although, they might belong to root now, I don't know.
[14:00] <Tots> This should be easier. >.<
[14:00] <akis> i can log in on both user and user_other. both are my accounts
[14:02] <Unit193> Tots: Likely in /var/log/upstart/
[14:02] <gabkdlly> akis: Are user and user_other distinct accounts on your machine ?  I don't think the operating system cares that you actually are the same person, or even that you have the same password.  Though I might be missing what you are trying to say.
[14:02] <akis> when i was inside user i gave sudo mv /home/user/* /home/user_other/ and i saw that the system worked for some minutes because the files are some gb. after this operation no file is any more in /user but no file was move to /user_other. what happened?
[14:03] <gabkdlly> akis: I fear we are talking past each other :(
[14:03] <cfhowlett> akis, mv?  not cp?
[14:04] <akis> mv
[14:04] <akis> not cp
[14:05] <Tots> In the log, it says: Home unset in -usepw mode
[14:05] <Tots> That's it
[14:05] <Tots> If it doesn't know which auth to use, how do I tell it that?
[14:05] <Tots> And can you clarify what you mean by auth?
[14:08] <Unit193> Tots: That specific error is because it doesn't know what password file you're looking for, use -passwdfile or one of the other options to fix that issue.
 any idea on what happened? are they those files somewhere else in the system?
[14:09] <gabkdlly> akis: try: sudo ls /home/user_other/
[14:09] <cfhowlett> akis, ^^^ that
[14:09] <gabkdlly> akis: let me know what you see
[14:09] <gabkdlly> akis: but don't paste it here !
[14:10] <gabkdlly> akis: just describe it
[14:10] <akis> nothing !!! empty
[14:11] <cfhowlett> akis, sudo ls -a /home/user-other              will display hidden folders
[14:12] <akis> yea ok but it doesnt althought there are in their place the hidden.
[14:12] <akis> except hidden there is nothing else in this dir
[14:18] <gabkdlly> akis: Are either of the folders in question encrypted ?
[14:18] <akis> yep. both.
[14:18] <Tots> Unit193, in my startup logs, it is saying "Permission Denied" on the script. Do I need to change perms somewhere?
[14:19] <akis> actually both user accounts are encrypted
[14:20] <cfhowlett> akis, o m g
[14:21] <gabkdlly> akis:  Here are some things to be aware of when using encrypted home folders, in particular that the home folder of you users are not even mounted when each user is not logged in. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome
[14:24]  * GridCube facepalms
[14:26] <akis> and what can i do know to fix it? i still have safe the files on a portable media, but i am worry about where are they on my system after i gave the command. are they somewhere on /home/user_other or maybe in root directory?
[14:27] <Tots> Ok, I've got it even using -auth /mypath/.Xauthority, not it says XOpendisplay(":0") failed. since I told it to start with the system and it has appropriate rights, why is it doing this?
[14:27] <akis> i repeat the same command as cp -r and worked!
[14:30] <akis> i confirm that i repeated the same command as cp -r and worked. it is still musterious what happened with the first command mv.
[14:32]  * cfhowlett will believe it after a reboot and test
[14:47] <Tots> For Xubuntu's login screen, what should I use for the auth? /home/username/.Xauthority doesn't seem to do the trick
[14:47] <Tots> i'm running xfce4 as part of xubuntu-desktop
[14:58] <GridCube> Tots, for lightdm?
[15:00] <GridCube> if you mean the login manager, ubuntu uses lightdm, xubuntu is not different in this, and the configuration of lightdm is in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, there you can change some settings for the login greeter, i am pretty sure there are other setting for lightdm that are not in lightdm.conf tho, can't help you there
[15:04] <Tots> oh ok, so it is lightdm. Thank you ^^
[15:47] <ratnakumari> how to use gigolo for file sharing?
[16:04] <xubuntu097> hello
[16:04] <mattxtn> hi
[16:04] <xubuntu097> I need some help
[16:04] <xubuntu097> I broke my computer :(
[16:04] <GridCube> !ask
[16:05] <GridCube> !details | xubuntu097
[16:05] <xubuntu097> I bought a computer with Windows 8.1 pre installed
[16:05] <xubuntu097> a ASUS computer
[16:05] <mattxtn> It's def broke then.
[16:05] <xubuntu097> I attempted to install Xubuntu 14.04 on it
[16:05] <xubuntu097> I followed a you tube tutorial on how to do it
[16:05] <xubuntu097> disable secure boot
[16:06] <xubuntu097> and fast boot
[16:06] <mattxtn> http://askubuntu.com/questions/364100/installing-xubuntu-alongside-with-uefi
[16:06] <xubuntu097> I shrunk my data partition in windows so that I had a bunch of free space
[16:06] <xubuntu097> went in and on that free space created a swap and /
[16:06] <xubuntu097> install went very smoothly
[16:07] <GridCube> mmhm
[16:07] <xubuntu097> rebooted and now nothing loads at all
[16:07] <xubuntu097> no windows boot loader nor grub
[16:07] <GridCube> did you installed from an usb device?
[16:07] <xubuntu097> it just keeps going to the bios
[16:07] <xubuntu097> DVD
[16:07] <GridCube> ok
[16:07] <GridCube> you are sure you enabled legacy boot?
[16:08] <GridCube> can you press F8 or F11, what ever it is in your pc, to choose the boot device?
[16:08] <xubuntu097> yes I can do that
[16:09] <xubuntu097> when I do that it lists my hard drives and cd's and all that
[16:09] <GridCube> mmhm, can you choose the device where you installed grub? and see if it boots?
[16:10] <xubuntu097> I can use that
[16:10] <xubuntu097> but when I do that, it just goes to the uefi again
[16:10] <xubuntu097> what I am thinking about trying is putting in the windows 8 dvd and asking it to repair startup
[16:10] <xubuntu097> just to see if I can get back to windows
[16:10] <GridCube> sure
[16:11] <GridCube> xubuntu097, can you boot to the install dvd?
[16:11] <xubuntu097> yes I can
[16:11] <xubuntu097> and live linux
[16:11] <mattxtn> Wouldn't he be better off loading boot-repair from a livecd/usb after making sure legacy boot is on?
[16:11] <xubuntu097> I am in the xubuntu live cd now
[16:11] <GridCube> if so you can try the boot-repair software
[16:11] <xubuntu097> what is that?
[16:11] <mattxtn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[16:11] <GridCube> xubuntu097, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[16:12] <xubuntu097> ok
[16:12] <xubuntu097> I will try that
[16:12] <mattxtn> use option 2 since you're in the livecd
[16:12] <GridCube> ^
[16:13] <xubuntu097> ok, let me try that
[16:14] <GridCube> xubuntu097, keep in mind all you are doing works over very sensitive areas of your computer, any change you do is under your own responsability, please read a lot before you choose to do something and never trust strangers on the internet at their first words
[16:15] <GridCube> that being said, boot-repair should work, in my experience it has always done so.
[16:15] <xubuntu097> GridCube: thanks
[16:16] <xubuntu097> I am new to this uefi thing
[16:16] <xubuntu097> seems like a joke
[16:16] <GridCube> mmhm, to many of us it does
[16:16] <mattxtn> big time
[16:16] <xubuntu097> I have installed into BIOS many times
[16:16] <xubuntu097> 0 problems
[16:16] <xubuntu097> ever
[16:18] <xubuntu097> I am going to have to try this when I get home from work
[16:18] <xubuntu097> I do not physically have access to the machine atm
[16:19] <xubuntu097> its sitting at home booted to the livecd
[16:19] <GridCube> :)
[16:19] <mattxtn> boot-repair will be there when you get home ;)
[16:19] <xubuntu097> I have been using the livecd for awhile
[16:19] <xubuntu097> I really love the xfce interface
[16:19] <mattxtn> sometimes i want to hug it
[16:20] <xubuntu097> it is so sheik
[16:20] <xubuntu097> shiek
[16:20] <xubuntu097> whichever is correct
[16:20] <xubuntu097> :P
[16:20] <mattxtn> i before e except... something something
[16:22] <xubuntu097> haha, I always think of that
[16:22] <xubuntu097> but then I cant remember then ending
[16:22] <xubuntu097> I thought it was I before E except after C
[16:23] <mattxtn> yeah that's it
[16:24] <xubuntu097> mattxtn: speaking of hugging XFCE, here is a screenshot of my VM. Love it! http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-14-09-02-120333pm.php
[16:26] <mattxtn> mine is pretty basic compared to that
[16:27] <xubuntu097> I thought mine was basic :P
[16:28] <mattxtn> http://i.imgur.com/0QBLlZ1.png
[16:33] <xubuntu097> I guess its not THAT basic
[16:33] <xubuntu097> hehe
[16:38] <SKOPPIO> qualcuno italiano
[16:39] <GridCube> !it | SKOPPIO
[16:39] <SKOPPIO> salve
[16:39] <GridCube> :)
[16:51] <csenger41> hello
[16:52] <csenger41> what is the Menu Editor's package name?
[16:52] <csenger41> it doeesn't start up
[16:52] <slickymasterWork> !hi | csenger41 ~
[16:52] <slickymasterWork> !hi | csenger41
[16:53] <slickymasterWork> stupid bot is sleeping
[16:58] <csenger41> hm?
[16:59] <brainwash> csenger41: menulibre
[16:59] <csenger41> brainwash: thanks, updating now, gonna check it out afterwise
[17:01] <Tots> can I have Xubuntu autologin?
[17:03] <csenger41> Tots: AFAIK yes you can
[17:03] <csenger41> you can turn off asking for password on startup
[17:04] <mattxtn> settings - users - your user - click change on password - check do not ask
[17:04] <csenger41> mattxtn: ^that
[17:06] <Quantibility> Is there any way to throw clients and operations onto a USB ? basiclly i just wanna throw chromes memory operations on the usb
[17:07] <Quantibility> chromes takes up alot of memory
[17:07] <Quantibility> and maybe Jack as well
[17:19] <Luyin> Quantibility: you could mount /tmp on USB, but I'm not sure this is an entirely good idea
[17:19] <Quantibility> Luyin  is temp the files used by the system for all or most processes?
[17:20] <Quantibility> tmp
[17:20] <Luyin> Quantibility: /tmp is a directory which typically stores the temporary files of the system
[17:20] <Quantibility> i have 32 gigs on a 3.0 usb on 2.0 connection...
[17:21] <Quantibility> specificlly looked for one that maxes out 2.0
[17:21] <Quantibility> why would it be a problem? perhaps an (if) statement to manage the non usb problem?
[17:22] <Quantibility> Luyin
[17:22] <Quantibility> so i would have to unmount the current tmp? and make a new one and mount it?
[17:23] <Luyin> Quantibility: actually I'd rather try to figure out if you can setup chrome to a special temp location instead of mounting the system /tmp to a removable stick
[17:24] <Quantibility> Luyin, its worth a shot on all levels, what im tyring to do is keep my main memory as low as possible and temp files fill shit up rediculously
[17:24] <Quantibility> it be nice to see if Jack can have the same thing installed
[17:25] <Quantibility> though i do have plenty... 8gigs ram.. but, hey i like trying diiferent things to see if i can get better perfromance
[17:25] <Quantibility> Luyin
[17:26] <Quantibility> i think tmp can have stuff writen to both can it not? and use USB solely untill its not there?
[17:26] <Luyin> Quantibility: I don't think you'll have fun with this. since everything will write to your stick then (which had to be formatted properly first), 1. your write times will be horribly low 2. your stick will soon be crab. I don't recommend doing this.
[17:26] <Luyin> Quantibility: and I won't give you support on this, I already regret mentioning this. better forget it
[17:27] <Quantibility> Luyin yes, i know my stick would be crap in time.. and i take heed in your warning.
[17:27] <Quantibility> why nooot :(
[17:27] <Quantibility> i have a new one in the mail Lol
[17:27] <Luyin> Quantibility: if you really wanna do this (and hereby I strongly recommend you'd drop the idea), see the infos on fstab and the mount command
[17:28] <Luyin> don't forget backing up your system. you have been warned
[17:28] <Quantibility> yeah been reading that.. i could make a script to control input output
[17:28] <Quantibility> yeah i have two HD externals i can back up all types of shit on... 320 gigs of back up space.
[17:29] <Quantibility> teach me to properly back up and well continue..
[17:42] <csenger41> hello, what can I do with this error?
[17:42] <csenger41> http://pastebin.com/wRbbVDJ6
[17:43] <deshipu> csenger41: install back the python libraries on which sofware-center depends
[17:44] <csenger41> where can I see the list of them?
[17:44] <deshipu> apt-cache show software-center
[17:45] <deshipu> but if you have it installed, they should be installed as well, unless you broke something pretty badly
[17:45] <csenger41> well I tried removing and installing again, but didn't work
[17:45] <deshipu> did you replace the system's python with some other version?
[17:46] <csenger41> no I think not, just added some stuff
[17:46] <csenger41> but upon installation, shouldn't it check those dependencies?
[17:46] <deshipu> yes
[17:46] <deshipu> that's why I said you must have something broken
[17:47] <csenger41> ohh great
[17:47] <csenger41> reinstalling then?
[17:48] <deshipu> maybe someone else will have better ideas
[17:48] <csenger41> reinstall xubuntu-desktop from Synaptics should help?
[17:49] <deshipu> no, I don't think it will help
[17:49] <csenger41> aww :(
[17:51] <csenger41> well I'm downloading xubuntu again and I'll try not messing too much with it next time
[17:59] <csenger41> thanks for the help, I guess I fcked up something really nice :D
[17:59] <csenger41> bye
[18:06] <akis>  hi all. i need a little help. i tried to move from one user to another a directory containing other directories and i gave the command sudo mv /home/user/* /home/user_other/. The system didnt return any error message, worked for a couple of minutes (because the whole size was about 5 gb). After the system returned to command prompt i checked if the files were moved and i realized that although  the files were not any more in /home/user (source
[18:06] <akis> ) there were not also in /home/user_other. In your opinion  what happened and the files disappeared? Where are they or they just deleted? Is it possible to be transfered somewhere else (i.e. inside root file system)? I have to mention that as i had a copy of these files i returned for a second try and i gave this time cp -r /home/user/directory /home/user_other/ and the whole direcrory with all subdirectories copied succesfully. But still i am
[18:06] <akis> wondering if i made any damage to my system or i sent those files with my first command somewhere else. Any idea?
[18:19] <asb> I installed Xubuntu 14.04.1 -- updated software -- installed NVidia proprietary driver (331) and restarted -- now lightdm hangs (it doesn't show the login dialog)
[18:20] <asb> Any one run into any issues after fresh install and updates?
[18:44] <holstein> akis: i have no idea what happened, but, in the future, i would have a copy on *another* drive, since *all* drives fail.. having that proper backup will help with any issue you may have. i would then use rsync.. i like grsync.. i would expect to sort out permissions.. i would not move, but copy, since there is no benefit to move over copy
[18:48] <akis> holstein, thank you for your answer. i just wondering if the whole directory was moved to my system file or somewhere else (who knows) and is getting space...
[18:49] <holstein> akis: i would look around for the files, and use a recovery application if needed.. testdisk photorec... whatever
[18:51] <akis> holstein: the files arent in my home. just the files i got after the cp -r. is there any possibility to be moved in the rest file system? i dont think so, but...
[18:51] <akis> is there search tool to help me?
[18:52] <holstein> akis: sure.. many "tools"..
[18:52] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/find
[18:52] <holstein> !info catfish
[18:53] <akis> can i use a live cd to search instead installing an application on my system?
[18:53] <holstein> akis: nothing is preventing that
[18:54] <holstein> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step is what i use for recovery
[18:56] <akis> holstein: ok thank you very much for your useful advices. i will take a look on these.
[18:59] <akis> holstein: i want also to report that i solve the problem we discussed here yersteday after i googled enough (i.e. slow internet) and  this worked fine for me : http://www.noobslab.com/2012/05/disable-ipv6-if-your-internet-is.html. I am very huppy that i can enjoy fast internet on both FF and Midori and keep my newly clean install 14.04 without be obliged for a downgrade (because for me under 12.04 everything was fine).
[19:27] <xubuntu097> has anyone setup enigmail before? I want to start signing my emails
[19:27] <xubuntu097> looks pretty easy to do
[19:27] <HedgeMage> xubuntu097: Yep, and I've taught it a couple of times.
[19:27] <HedgeMage> xubuntu097: just ask if you need help (though be advised that I'm at work, thus disappearing on and off)
[19:28] <xubuntu097> HedgeMage: what do you mean, you have taught it?
[19:28] <HedgeMage> xubuntu097: I've run a few cryptoparties, and sometimes work sends me to teach people better security hygeine.
[19:28] <HedgeMage> NBD
[19:28] <xubuntu097> awesome!
[19:28] <HedgeMage> :)
[19:29] <xubuntu097> The only thing is, I think I have a key out there that I published a long time ago
[19:29] <xubuntu097> is there a way to remove it?
[19:29] <ObrienDave> just make a new key
[19:29] <HedgeMage> Depends, do you have the secret key and passphrase, or a revocation certificate for it?
[19:29] <HedgeMage> If not, you'll have to just let it be.
[19:29] <xubuntu097> nope, I have none of that
[19:29] <xubuntu097> I don't mind if it is out there
[19:29] <xubuntu097> I just dont want people to get confused
[19:29] <HedgeMage> This is why I don't make keys without expirations.  They eventually outmode even if I lose the passphrase. :)
[19:30] <xubuntu097> maybe it did have an expiration
[19:30] <xubuntu097> i forgot what the website was where you check for them
[19:30] <xubuntu097> let me check
[19:30] <HedgeMage> I wouldn't worry too much unless it was widely signed AND hasn't expired AND people are depending on keyservers to guess your key rather than getting at least an ID from you.
[19:31] <xubuntu097> ok, cool
[19:31] <xubuntu097> the only downside to it, is that there are not a lot of people that encrypt their mail
[19:31] <xubuntu097> :(
[19:32] <HedgeMage> There are in the right social circles. ;)
[19:32] <HedgeMage> And, seeing you using it may inspire some of the people you know to learn.
[19:32] <xubuntu097> how will they know that I do it, if I cant encrypt it to them?
[19:32] <xubuntu097> Oh, I guess I can still sign them
[19:32] <HedgeMage> You can still sign them.
[19:32] <HedgeMage> Yep. :)
[19:33] <xubuntu097> then hopefully I can keep my crappy government out of my emails
[19:34] <HedgeMage> :)
[19:37] <xubuntu097> HedgeMage: do you have any issues using enigmail accross different physical machines?
[19:38] <HedgeMage> xubuntu097: No.  I've got it running on four machines using two keys without issue.
[19:38] <xubuntu097> so you just export the private key to the other machines?
[19:39] <HedgeMage> Yes, though I'm careful about my work private key only being on work machines, and my personal private key only being on personal machines.
[19:41] <xubuntu097> is that stored in an encrypted file, or is it plain text?
[19:42] <HedgeMage> While you *can* make a passphraseless private key, doing so is stupid outside certain server applications.  Normally, your private key is encrypted with a passphrase you select.
[19:43] <xubuntu097> ok, just wanted to make sure it was not stored in plain text. That would be very unintelligent
[19:44] <HedgeMage> It would.
[19:48] <xubuntu097> I have a very basic question, and it speaks to my ignorance on this particular subject. But, can you flash a UEFI motherboard and just install BIOS?
[19:50] <ObrienDave> probably not
[19:50] <HedgeMage> In theory, you could if you had access to a BIOS image suited to the board, however...the likelihood of that being the case is near-nil.
[20:01] <xubuntu097> the windows 8 computer that I got has really caused all sorts of problems
[20:01] <xubuntu097> I cant stand UEFI
[20:40] <xubuntu880> i installed 14.04, but now my screen is flickering. i have a toshiba sattilite with an ati graphics card please help. Thanks!
[20:41] <deshipu> !ati
[20:41] <xubuntu880> hope it works! thanks!
[21:19] <xubuntu880> . flickering problem re: the drivers won't work. i am using an x1200 series graphics card. Any modded drivers for linux
[21:21] <xubuntu880> . flickering problem re: the drivers won't work. i am using an x1200 series graphics card. Any modded drivers for linux? Anyone?
[21:23] <xubuntu880> . flickering problem re: the drivers won't work. i am using an x1200 series graphics card. Any modded drivers for linux? Anyone?  Help!
[21:24] <Hedgework> xubuntu880: quit being an asshole.
[21:24] <Hedgework> xubuntu880: Spam is not welcome here.
[21:27] <xubuntu097> that was interesting
[21:29] <knome> Hedgework, for what it's worth, there are nicer ways to put that, please consider that with the fact that this channel is supposed to be family-friendly.
[22:44] <xubuntu097> Does anyone know if the Chromium project has google embedded tracking stuff in it?
[22:55] <mattxtn> this may help xubuntu097: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome
[22:59] <xubuntu097> mattxtn: that is nice. But unless I missed something, that does not talk about the reporting of usage to Google. I guess I don't know what "User Metrics" are
[23:00] <mattxtn> https://github.com/nylira/prism-break/issues/169
[23:05] <mattxtn> DeviceMetricsReportingEnabled
[23:05] <mattxtn> Enable metrics reporting
[23:05] <mattxtn> Data type:
[23:05] <mattxtn>     Boolean
[23:05] <mattxtn> Supported on:
[23:05] <mattxtn>         Chromium OS (Chromium OS) since version 14
[23:05] <mattxtn> Supported features:
[23:05] <mattxtn>     Dynamic Policy Refresh: Yes
[23:05] <mattxtn> Description:
[23:05] <mattxtn>     Controls whether usage metrics are reported back to Google. If set to true, Chromium OS will report usage metrics. If not configured or set to false, metrics reporting will be disabled.
[23:05] <mattxtn> ouch sorry for massive paste
[23:06] <xubuntu097> ah, it does do some reporting
[23:06] <xubuntu097> also, this was interesting - http://i.imgur.com/61bSoGs.png
[23:11] <mattxtn> agreed
[23:35] <xubuntu097> anyone know any good linux games like risk or diplomacy?
[23:36] <xubuntu097> I have been in the mood for a good strategy game for awhile
[23:36] <holstein> !info domination
[23:37] <mattxtn> !fail
[23:37] <mattxtn> :)
[23:37] <holstein> !info luxdelux
[23:37] <Unit193> holstein: Yeah, that first one is a fairly good risk version.
[23:37] <holstein> !info ksirk
[23:38] <holstein> i *knew* we had one in the default repos :)
[23:38] <knome> risk-like? roll a die per person, biggest roll wins. reroll ties.
[23:38] <xubuntu097> I don't care that much
[23:38] <xubuntu097> I just want to do some world wide strategy against other players
[23:38] <xubuntu097> form armies
[23:39] <xubuntu097> secure countries
[23:39] <holstein> xubuntu097: try the ones mentioned above ^
[23:39] <knome> "strategy"? :)
[23:39] <mattxtn> mines?
[23:40] <xubuntu097> did I misspell it or something?
[23:40] <xubuntu097> my brain is fried today
[23:41] <knome> sorry... the irony must have lost in transmission. i don't think risk has any more strategy than a dieroll.
[23:41] <xubuntu097> oh
[23:41] <xubuntu097> It does have some
[23:41] <xubuntu097> where to place your armies
[23:41] <xubuntu097> how far to proceed
[23:41] <xubuntu097> where to defend
[23:41] <knome> that's not the scope of this channel anyway ;)
[23:42] <xubuntu097> ultimately it is possible for one guy to defeat loads of guys
[23:42] <xubuntu097> but thats possible in real life as well
[23:42] <xubuntu097> :P
[23:43] <ObrienDave> try AAA http://triplea.sourceforge.net/mywiki
[23:45] <xubuntu097> woow! ObrienDave
[23:45] <xubuntu097> that looks the best so far!
[23:45] <ObrienDave> it's actually fun to play, many different "boards" available