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switchtehbeatI know I keep asking questions but I'm still learning. how do I take a screenshot of a window in Lubuntu? instead of the whole screen?09:13
JohnDoe_71Rushttp://shutter-project.org/ http://code.google.com/p/screengrab-qt/  scrot -s file.png then click to window09:17
testdrswitchtehbeat: sometimes in lubuntu (lxde) is the hotkey already configured, its  alt+print to make a screenshot of the acitve window09:20
switchtehbeattestdr, that worked! you're awesome. :D09:23
switchtehbeatJohnDoe_71Rus, thanks09:23
testdrswitchtehbeat: there are a lot of links with usage-storys about lxde, openbox, lubuntu - just use google to search for those keywords and you get the points, where to look in your local conifg-files or how to change some things --- and dont forget, create a test-user to play with desktopsettings and use it for your main-user only after such tests.09:29
switchtehbeatthanks m8, I do have 1 more question....is there something like rainmeter on windows but for lubuntu?09:44
testdrconky .. or ?grell (name a bit different - dont remember right)09:45
testdrfor conky check: http://conky.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html09:46
testdrand there are a lot more with really fancy desktop-settings, like in circles, on background, in bar-style etc.09:47
switchtehbeatthanks09:50
switchtehbeatlooks good :) conky that is :)09:50
JohnDoe_71Rushttp://gkrellm.srcbox.net/09:55
testdrdanke JohnDoe_71Rus, wusste den Namen nicht mehr genau09:59
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akishi all. what is the usual size of a freshly install 14.04 lubuntu system?12:05
testdraround 3-4 GB12:07
testdrits less than 3GB if no updates or special languages12:08
akisfine. and how can i check this siza? i mean is there special command for it?12:09
testdrno - and yes - this depends on the used filesystem - like for the live-version, there is all in a compressed filesystem in less than 1GB12:10
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akistestdr: can i give a terminal's command to check the size of my file system to check if it is under 4gb?12:13
testdrakis: this sounds to me, like you have no idea about partition-size, filesystem-size and commands like df or du12:16
testdrakis: last there is a slight difference in size between the i386 and 64bit-amd versions12:18
akistestdr: i read about df -h. i would like to know just my /root size,nothing else beyond this. to find out partition size, or the of whole disk is very easy and they are many tools to help me. is df -h enough to give this information?12:19
testdrakis: yes and no - i doubt you want to do something completely different and dont say it12:19
akistestdr: i want to check the usual size to exclude the possibility that a big dir (4g) was moved by mistake in /root12:21
testdrakis: sudo  du  -s   /root12:24
testdrand check:   man   du12:25
testdrfor more infos12:25
akisok thanks for your advises.12:26
akistestdr: i check my xubuntu system (lubuntu runs in another system and i will check it later) and the command sudo  du  -s   /root returns: 44/root. what does it mean?12:31
akis!screenshots13:14
ubottuScreenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imgur.com/ and link the created page here.13:14
akishi all. how is this explained? http://imgur.com/Nhweqih,djpdhgf . the whole used size of disk is 38GB and /home alone is 41 ! what happens here?13:17
testdrakis: one posssible solution, you check what links are.13:24
akistestdr: what you mean?13:31
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akistestdr: could you please explain to me whta you mean?13:34
testdrakis: sorry, im no computer-lesson-teacher, only dumb user, you may check:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_file  and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ln_%28Unix%2913:36
akistestdr: i beg your pardon if i bothered you. as i 20+ years chat user, i know that here we are discussing if we want. if we dont we just dont. this better than trying to "teach" each other. have a nice day my friend.13:39
testdropps - this is a discussion channel, sorry13:40
akisthis is a chat chennel where many times no experts ask more expert if they can kindly explain and give solutions. i am very sorry if i asked something not in the right way.13:42
testdrim very sorry, that i have no clue what you store in your home-directory and how - maybe the nsa knows more?13:44
akisand i think that noone is obliged to answer to any help request. if he know and if he can help, he answers.13:44
akisi am not an expert but i am just wondering how /home is bigger than the whole system. maybe in pc's and OS's world there is an explanation. i am looking for this explanation because i have a special reason.13:46
testdrakis: do you think (i try to read brain) you have deleted files and the free space did not show up for those files?13:52
testdrakis: then it could be those files are only gone to the wastebasket and you have to empty this13:53
akistestdr: first of all thank you for your time today. yesterday on my freshly installed system i had a problem. do you have more time to explain it here?13:53
akistestdr: (my basket is empty) but maybe we 're close to find something. can i explain to you?13:54
testdrakis: you ask and if someone has an answer or tip - you will get one13:54
akistestdr: you have right. well...have a look here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8233669/13:59
testdrakis: first check the usage, like this: 1.  du  -sh   /home          and 2.   du   -sh    /home/*14:10
akistestdr: do i have to use sudo. i have more than one accounts and the system returns me 'access denied'14:13
testdrand only to not forget it, your used "mv-command" was wrong, cause the usage of "*" does not take the hidden-files (aka dot-files).14:13
testdrakis: then you have to use sudo14:13
akistestdr: i used it already. it gaves me 21g for 1st account, 4,7g for 2nd and hanged on 3rd for unknown reason but i know that is 1,8 g counted with pcmanFM14:14
testdrakis: pls. exec those two commands and paste the result in the pastebin14:16
testdrakis:and if the command cannot run (you say lasts forever), then there is something wrong with this part14:16
akistestdr: i used it already. it gaves me 21g for 1st account, 4,7g for 2nd and hanged on 3rd (finished after some secs) 1,9 g= total 27,6g14:16
akistestdr: ok i will past them soon, wait14:17
testdrakis: you still missed the first command14:17
akistestdr: i gave it. it returned me (with sudo) 55g !!!14:18
akistestdr: paste.ubuntu.com/8233810/14:19
testdrakis: now try another du, that may produce a long list, so for the second run, you can pipe it into less.   The command is:   sudo  du  -Sh  /home14:24
testdrakis: or first do a      sudo    ls   -la   /home14:25
akistestdr: the first command returns all dirs?14:27
akisand theri size?14:28
testdryes - therfore you may first try the second - we may need the first one so you can see where is what14:28
testdrif you use encrypted user-home-dirs, there should/could be some hidden files, like .ecryptfs in the /home14:29
akisi run the 1st with  sudo  du  -Sh  /home/* and i took infos for the other accounts too. as fas as i can see there is no where double files (the missing ones).14:30
testdrakis: that was not my command -- you did add an * asterisk14:30
testdrand a slash14:30
akisyes, i did!14:30
testdrand why?14:30
testdran asterisk in the shell will only work for non-hidden-files and if we look for hidden files, we would never notice those14:32
akislook i count...sudo du -sh /home/* gives me 21+4,7+1,9=27,6 * 2 (encryption)= 55,2 = what gives sudo du -sh /home. have i right?14:33
akissudo  du  -Sh  /home/* returned me hidden too!14:34
testdrakis: you are the user-name "user"?14:44
akisyes i am14:45
testdrakis: then its possible you cannot see the duplicate date as long as you logged in, because the later copied data is mounted over the old one. You should use a ubuntu-live-version and mount the partition and do the checks from there14:46
testdrs/date/data/14:46
testdrakis: another solution is, you create a second admin-user and use this account to do the checks for your "user" home-directory, when it is not de-encrypted14:47
testdrakis: you have to logout as the user to have the data only in the normal encrypted - not-readable way14:48
akishmm. i thought about this (to use a live usb) but how can i access the encrypted accounts?14:48
testdrakis: you dont -- create now another user (name it "admin2") with admin-rights, then logout and login with this user-name. Then your home-directory is not over-mounted with the encrypted data14:49
akisis it maybe a solution to delete all accounts and re-configure them? i have all my data in a sd card.14:52
testdrakis: for explanation:  if i have a subdirectory with 4GB data in it and i do a mount of another disk-part on this subdirectory, then the old data seems to be gone, but it is not, it will still use the space but will only visible if the mount is not active. For your encrypted home-directory, as long as you logged in the over-mounted (old data from wrong mv) could not be seen.14:52
testdrakis: no (and yes - its not easy), if you use encrypted filesystems ecryptfs -- there should be a in deeper explanation about it in the wiki14:53
akistestdr: i understand. you are on this! i was near but i could understand what is happening. you explain to me.14:54
testdrecryptfs is nice, but a pain if you change usernames and have to move it around, because you have to take into account if it is encrypted or not and you cannot mix those14:55
akistestdr: is there any other way to see on my /home beyond the possibility to make a new account?14:55
testdrlike you already thougt - from a live version you may see the files from the mv-command and those from the later cp-command14:56
testdrbut only encrypted14:56
akisexplain me something. i got that the all 3 accounts have 27 g . The missing are counting on this amount?14:58
testdrakis: i would suggest, use a second admin-user and with your old user logout, check with the second admin-user the diskusage of the home/directory14:58
akiswhen i choose to delete the new account it will be deleted with no remains?15:01
akisno left over i mean?15:01
testdri dont understand - again, you have to check the pure filesystem and not the one encrypted for your user - that is annother mount and may hide data15:01
testdrakis: yes and no -- there is an option to delete the home-dir-data and all data that the user owns (last is risky because a lot of users are never aware where they store data)15:02
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akisi am creating a new user: user_test. how can i give the admin privileges?15:05
akisok i founfd it15:08
testdrakis: (i get tired typing the wiki) you create a new user with the graphical user-administration and change the account type to admin15:08
holsteinyou can search for and remove whatever files you choose15:09
holsteinthe users /home should be left there15:09
akisok. i am trying to fix it. i will need your help soon.15:11
holsteinakis: fix what?15:15
akistestdr: i am in user's account but i dont see something unusual15:16
holsteinakis: i think you are misunderstanding how i am trying to respond to your requests for a "fix", friend.. if you remove a user, the files stay.. there is no need for a fix for that15:16
akisholstein: sorry not fix, create15:16
holsteinakis: create what? a new user? sudo adduser is what i use15:17
testdrakis: what das the "sudo du -sh /home" now shows15:17
testdrakis: and how can you see into the user-home-directory, when it now should be encrypted?15:18
akistestdr: type them on user_test terminal?15:18
testdryes15:18
akis"sudo du -sh /home" now shows 55 g. the same as before. i changes the privileges of user so i can see it form user_test. am i right?15:19
holsteini dont15:21
holsteinif i want to "see" some users files, i'll just use sudo momentarily..15:21
testdrakis: do a:    sudo   du  -sh    /home/\.??*15:23
akistestdr: 28 g /home/.ecryptfs15:24
testdrakis: now do a:    sudo   du  -sh   /home/*15:24
testdrand count the sum of both -- different directorys15:25
akis21g+4,7g+1,9g+476k=28 the same as before plus the new account15:26
testdrakis: arghh -- is the .ecryptfs in this list? ..15:26
akiscommand not found!15:27
holstein!paste | akis15:28
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testdrakis: you have already typed the command and posted some lines above the size of .ecryptfs15:28
akisah ... not just the accounts. 3+1 accounts. no .ecryptfs15:29
testdrakis: if you use an ecrypted user-home-directory and it is not decrypted (the user not logged in), then there should be not very much - only a few fiels with text-hint that this is encrypted data15:29
akisyou mean that the accounts aren't encrypted?15:31
testdrakis: you have around 28GB in different user-home-directorys and again around 28GB in the /home/.ecryptfs directory  -- thats a sum of about 56GB15:31
akisthats right. i mentioned already.15:31
testdrakis: i dont know - i dont sit at your computer - you only tell me you used another admin-account and then you should not be able to view the encrypted data of other users (if this is encrypted)15:32
holsteinakis: the accounts are encrypted if you encrypt them15:32
holstein!encryption15:32
ubottuFor information on setting up encrypted private directories (8.10+) see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory15:32
testdrand encryption is done with the login of this user and they are viewable as long as the user is active(and did not logout)15:33
akisif i use a live cd to see them i cannot. i can see on these account because i changed the privileges of the account. i dont know if this is right or not15:34
testdrencryption is not the same like to have no privileges!15:34
akisok understand that, but if where encrypted and there was not possibility to have any access on them why i create the new account?15:36
holsteinakis: you are not *supposed* to be able to see them..15:36
testdrakis: if your user "user" (why did you select this name? To make riddles) is not logged in - then you should see only the hint-files like: Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop -> /usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-private.desktop15:36
akiswhen i am trying to access the "encrypted" accounts through a live-cd i can see the /home but no access is permitted on it. is that a sign of encryption?15:39
testdrakis: no! Use sudo15:39
holsteinakis: you are not *intended* to access those15:40
testdrakis: why do you think the stupid-ubuntu-live-user has default admin-right like superuser root?15:40
holsteinakis: http://www.howtogeek.com/116297/how-to-recover-an-encrypted-home-directory-on-ubuntu/15:40
holsteindepending on what is the intended purpose, i would just login to the user account and get the data i need.. i would have an unencrypted copy on a *seperate* external hard drive15:41
akistestdr: sudo and what to access them?15:41
testdrakis: you should take a brake and read the last link from holstein - maybe you get the trick and why you sometimes move in circles15:41
holsteinakis: its not only sudo.. its *quite* involved. you encrypted your /home to prevent the access you are trying to facilitate15:42
testdrakis: sudo is a command to execute other command with different rights15:42
holstein!sudo15:42
ubottusudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo15:42
akisso what is the result of all these?15:44
testdrholstein: from what i did understand - it looks like akis has moved data (around 20GB) into his encrypted home-directory and later after login, the data was gone, because the encrypted data is mounted over his home.15:44
holsteintestdr: oh, i remember now.. the first i heard about this days ago there was no encryption envolved with the process15:45
holsteintestdr: i dont mean to step on your toes at all, i just noticed the circling around15:45
testdrbut the data is still there - it is only not visible as long as he is logged in.  He has du about 21GB of his not decrypted home-directory and over 20GB of the .encryptfs-dir, that is used if he logs in15:46
holsteinakis: this may just be a learning experience for you.. you seem to be having issues with encyption.. i suggest not using it15:46
akisi reboot the system and now i dont have permission to user although i gave the privileges.15:46
holsteinakis: if i wanted to "recover" data, i would try the tool i suggested before.. testdisk.. i would use the guide i linked above to get into the encrypted /home from a live CD, or just install testdisk in the installation15:46
holsteinakis: yo udont *need* permission like that.. thats not the problem15:47
akisthe first time i used encryption was manually on 12.04 . now on 14.04 i choosed auto but you return me that it doesnt work15:47
holsteinakis: no one has returned you that it doesnt work15:47
holsteinhttp://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step is what i would use if files were freshly deleted15:48
testdrakis: it works - but you broke your setup - you did data-change without taking the encryption into account.15:48
akisdear friend during installation the user (exxpert or not) he just make a click. then everything is automatic. isnt it?15:48
holsteinbut, in the future, you need to have backups.. and on different drives.. you should have that *before* moving any data like that15:48
testdrno - nothing is automatic.15:48
holsteinand, dont move the data.. just copy15:48
akistestdr: why ? because i gave a mv commad?15:49
testdrakis: yes - the mv did not move into the encrypted home-directory15:50
holsteinakis: that is correct.. you *dont* move your files like that.. its why you lost them15:50
holsteinakis: you dont need to move them.. you should, in the future, *not* move them, but, just copy them, to a seperate drive15:51
testdrakis: it did mv into a user-directory like it is without encryption - thats why you as user cannot see the data.15:51
holsteinsudo doesnt "break" that encyption..15:52
holsteinakis: everything is working properly..15:52
akisholstein: dear friend. the other days i complain about slow internet and many of you told me that something is not right in my system. finally you to go to a chat room for my native language. i google enough and i found many usesrs they complain for slow internet and the problem was ipv6. and i can report that the same problem i had on both my systems under xubuntu and lubuntu and i solve it googling.15:53
holsteinakis: that could have also been taken care of on your network..15:54
holsteinakis: still, im glad you got your system internet working.. the fact here is, sudo doesnt break encryption.. and you dont have anything that is functioning improperly to fix15:55
holsteinakis: you have *many* suggestions above to try to access the information you mv'd incorrectly15:55
akisholstein: ok, i cannot say no, but i didnt have the problel running 12.04 on the same machines and the same network and provider and router. so what?15:55
holsteinakis: this is just volunteer support, friend.. there are no guaratnees or promises.. i am a volunteer15:56
akisi am glad too i make my machine running fast. i appreciate your voluntiaring efforts (excuse me for my english)15:57
holsteinakis: your machine was *always* running fast15:57
akisi appreciate them very very much and thats why i am here.15:58
holsteinakis: may i suggest a native language channel/community for you?15:58
akisrunning internet fast if you want15:58
akisi prefer this channel because i am here for years (from suse and when ubuntu was not well known) and because they are loggin many users15:59
testdrakis: are you german?16:00
akisif the problem is the language i wish you could learn my language which is one of the most ancient in this planet and for just 1 vote isnt the USA language!16:01
akistestdr: I am GREEK !!!16:01
akistestdr: well now what? i created the new account? and now what?16:02
holsteinakis: you read above, and choose what you would like to do16:02
holstein!encryption16:03
ubottuFor information on setting up encrypted private directories (8.10+) see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory16:03
holsteinhttp://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step16:03
akiswhy encryption is involving to space problem?16:03
holsteinakis: what space problem?16:03
akisshould i go for a new installation?16:03
* ianorlin also recommends if you do use encryption a safe deposit box is a secure enough place to write down password and keep it as it is in a secure place16:04
akisshould or not to tick encryption if i choose encryption?16:04
holsteinakis: i already state, you should reinstall *not* using encyption16:04
holsteinakis: i would read about its use for longer before using it16:04
akisany way i give up. i think i create new account for no reason.16:06
holsteinakis: i think it was due to the volunteers here not understanding your questions or issues16:06
testdrakis: i hope from what you did see, you understand that in the encryption-"store" - the directory  /home/.ecryptfs - there is the data of your main-user-account and in the user-home-directory again. But if you login as this user, only the encrypted data is used and thats why you cannot delete the other data.16:07
testdrakis: cause you said you have your backup of the data -- you can as the second admin-user delete some directorys in the /home/user directory and you will see the data-usage get lower16:09
holsteinif i had a backup, i would just start over, and be aware of what encryption is, or not use it..16:10
akisi think that after so many hours here is a little complicated for even i am an almost 30 years PC users for the days of Amstrad 8086!!! never mind. i give up dear friends. thank you for you time today appreciating your efforts to help e. i hope on next days i will find a solution ggogling the problem otherwise i reinstall my system. once again have a nice day and be happy!16:10
Glorfinde1HELP!16:16
Glorfinde1lol16:16
Glorfinde1every thing is green tinted on my moniter16:16
Glorfinde1and I'm not sure why16:16
holsteinGlorfinde1: i would start by testing the hardware, since, when i have seen that in the past, it has been failing monitor/graphics card16:16
Glorfinde1'k16:17
holsteinthen, i would try the bios screen.. and a live CD.. to remove the installed operating system from the equation.. then move on to drivers in use, and what updates have been done when..16:17
Glorfinde1I was having problems with the port16:17
Glorfinde1ok16:17
wxlthaaaaaaaaaaat sounds bad16:17
Glorfinde1yeha16:17
holsteinGlorfinde1: well, linux is not magic, so, if the port is bad, the operating system cant address that16:17
Glorfinde1*yeah, come to think of it the grub screen was bad too16:18
wxlwhat about the bios splash?16:18
holsteinthen, if grub is "bad", its not the drive in linux.. if the bios screen is "Bad", then, my money is on hardware failure..16:18
holsteindriver*16:18
* wxl nods16:18
Glorfinde1ok16:19
Glorfinde1first I better unplug a few things :D16:20
wxllike your usb rocket launcher?16:20
Glorfinde1IDK what is it?16:20
holsteinthe bus powered vga disruptor ;)16:20
wxlhttps://www.thinkgeek.com/product/8a0f/16:20
Glorfinde1mk16:21
Glorfinde1it isn't the moniter itself16:22
wxltherre's also the usb pet rock https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/c208/?pfm=Search&t=pet%20rock16:22
Glorfinde1maybe the cable16:22
Glorfinde1LOL16:23
Glorfinde1that stuff is FUNNYU16:23
Glorfinde1-U16:23
wxlthinkgeek is the best but i digress. replace both cables with known good ones.16:23
wxldo you have dvi as well as vga?16:24
ianorlinalso check that the pins are not bent16:25
ianorlinif it is dvi or vga16:25
Glorfinde1is DVI a white connecter?16:25
wxlyep16:25
Glorfinde1yes16:25
Glorfinde1but I don't have it on my pc16:25
Glorfinde1I'm using VGA16:26
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wxlwell nevermind that then. no hdmi right? :)16:28
Glorfinde1n16:28
Glorfinde1o16:28
Glorfinde1I'm ancient in tech16:28
Glorfinde1:D16:28
wxlhey, you've got dvi man16:29
wxlit's not THAT old :)16:29
wxlanywho, let us know what happens when you get some other cables16:29
ianorlinhe said he doesn't have that16:29
wxlianorlin: he has it on the monitor, but not on the video card16:29
Glorfinde1I have DVI on my moniter, not pc16:29
ianorlinah16:29
Glorfinde1vidcard is intel integrated16:29
Glorfinde1not sure if you would call that a video card :P16:30
wxllet's say "gpu"16:30
Glorfinde1that works16:30
Glorfinde1testing other cable16:31
Glorfinde1be back in a few16:31
Glorfinde1Darn16:33
Glorfinde1no diff16:33
Glorfinde1:(16:33
wxlyou don't have another monitor do you?16:34
Glorfinde1no16:34
wxlbecause i think if you have problems with the port, i'd want to check to see if that's not your problem16:34
Glorfinde1well16:34
Glorfinde1I do16:34
Glorfinde1but the moniter isn't the problem16:34
wxli'm not thinking about the monitor16:34
wxlif you have another monitor which you know works, you can plug it in and if there's still a problem, especially at the bios screen, it's your port16:35
Glorfinde1I umplugged the VGA cable and the 'check video cable' screen shows fine16:36
Glorfinde1*unplugged16:36
wxldid you check the bios screen?16:36
Glorfinde1no16:37
Glorfinde1but seems it was a funny color when I started it16:37
Glorfinde1IIRC16:37
wxli'd check that16:37
wxli'm not sure if "check video cable" actually interacts with the port or not16:38
wxlseems like it should but i don't know…16:38
Glorfinde1which port do you mean? the one on the pc or the one on the moniter16:38
Glorfinde1*monitor16:39
wxlwell i assume your problem you said you had was with the monitor?16:39
wxloops16:39
wxls/monitor/pc/16:39
Glorfinde1the monitor was not displaying correctly but IDK if it is the pc or the screen16:41
Glorfinde1but I am thinking it is the pc16:41
wxl0917 < Glorfinde1:#lubuntu> I was having problems with the port16:42
wxl↑ which port did you mean?16:42
Glorfinde1the one on the moniter16:42
Glorfinde1or16:42
Glorfinde1grr16:42
Glorfinde1*monitor16:42
wxlthen i doubt the check video cable screen would even work right16:43
wxlso check that other monitor16:43
Glorfinde1;k16:51
Glorfinde1*'k16:51
Glorfinde1nope16:56
wxldidn't work or did work?16:56
Glorfinde1that monitor will not display anything16:56
Glorfinde1res was to high or someting16:56
wxlbummer16:56
wxldid you restart the computer?16:56
wxli mean it should display the bios screen16:57
Glorfinde1not yet16:57
Glorfinde1I16:57
wxlyeah i would restart the computer when you test the monitor16:57
Glorfinde1man the enter key is awefully close to the ' key16:57
Glorfinde1ok16:58
Glorfinde1I will do so when the updates are installed16:59
Glorfinde1thx for the help17:06
wxlnp17:06
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Ahmucki like to tackle the periodic double power icons in systray.22:24
Ahmuckwhat channel do i need to connect to for help with the panel, systray, and sequence of startup options for basic services (power, network, wireless, etc.)  i'd like to have an understanding as i began tracking down icon differences and posibly multiple utlities or startup processes for the same piece of hardware22:29
Ahmuckwhere would i find documentation on this?22:29
wxlAhmuck: if you `ps aux | grep -i power` do you see multiples of the same process running?23:13

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