[09:13] <switchtehbeat> I know I keep asking questions but I'm still learning. how do I take a screenshot of a window in Lubuntu? instead of the whole screen?
[09:17] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://shutter-project.org/ http://code.google.com/p/screengrab-qt/  scrot -s file.png then click to window
[09:20] <testdr> switchtehbeat: sometimes in lubuntu (lxde) is the hotkey already configured, its  alt+print to make a screenshot of the acitve window
[09:23] <switchtehbeat> testdr, that worked! you're awesome. :D
[09:23] <switchtehbeat> JohnDoe_71Rus, thanks
[09:29] <testdr> switchtehbeat: there are a lot of links with usage-storys about lxde, openbox, lubuntu - just use google to search for those keywords and you get the points, where to look in your local conifg-files or how to change some things --- and dont forget, create a test-user to play with desktopsettings and use it for your main-user only after such tests.
[09:44] <switchtehbeat> thanks m8, I do have 1 more question....is there something like rainmeter on windows but for lubuntu?
[09:45] <testdr> conky .. or ?grell (name a bit different - dont remember right)
[09:46] <testdr> for conky check: http://conky.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[09:47] <testdr> and there are a lot more with really fancy desktop-settings, like in circles, on background, in bar-style etc.
[09:50] <switchtehbeat> thanks
[09:50] <switchtehbeat> looks good :) conky that is :)
[09:55] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://gkrellm.srcbox.net/
[09:59] <testdr> danke JohnDoe_71Rus, wusste den Namen nicht mehr genau
[12:05] <akis> hi all. what is the usual size of a freshly install 14.04 lubuntu system?
[12:07] <testdr> around 3-4 GB
[12:08] <testdr> its less than 3GB if no updates or special languages
[12:09] <akis> fine. and how can i check this siza? i mean is there special command for it?
[12:10] <testdr> no - and yes - this depends on the used filesystem - like for the live-version, there is all in a compressed filesystem in less than 1GB
[12:13] <akis> testdr: can i give a terminal's command to check the size of my file system to check if it is under 4gb?
[12:16] <testdr> akis: this sounds to me, like you have no idea about partition-size, filesystem-size and commands like df or du
[12:18] <testdr> akis: last there is a slight difference in size between the i386 and 64bit-amd versions
[12:19] <akis> testdr: i read about df -h. i would like to know just my /root size,nothing else beyond this. to find out partition size, or the of whole disk is very easy and they are many tools to help me. is df -h enough to give this information?
[12:19] <testdr> akis: yes and no - i doubt you want to do something completely different and dont say it
[12:21] <akis> testdr: i want to check the usual size to exclude the possibility that a big dir (4g) was moved by mistake in /root
[12:24] <testdr> akis: sudo  du  -s   /root
[12:25] <testdr> and check:   man   du
[12:25] <testdr> for more infos
[12:26] <akis> ok thanks for your advises.
[12:31] <akis> testdr: i check my xubuntu system (lubuntu runs in another system and i will check it later) and the command sudo  du  -s   /root returns: 44	/root. what does it mean?
[13:14] <akis> !screenshots
[13:17] <akis> hi all. how is this explained? http://imgur.com/Nhweqih,djpdhgf . the whole used size of disk is 38GB and /home alone is 41 ! what happens here?
[13:24] <testdr> akis: one posssible solution, you check what links are.
[13:31] <akis> testdr: what you mean?
[13:34] <akis> testdr: could you please explain to me whta you mean?
[13:36] <testdr> akis: sorry, im no computer-lesson-teacher, only dumb user, you may check:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_file  and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ln_%28Unix%29
[13:39] <akis> testdr: i beg your pardon if i bothered you. as i 20+ years chat user, i know that here we are discussing if we want. if we dont we just dont. this better than trying to "teach" each other. have a nice day my friend.
[13:40] <testdr> opps - this is a discussion channel, sorry
[13:42] <akis> this is a chat chennel where many times no experts ask more expert if they can kindly explain and give solutions. i am very sorry if i asked something not in the right way.
[13:44] <testdr> im very sorry, that i have no clue what you store in your home-directory and how - maybe the nsa knows more?
[13:44] <akis> and i think that noone is obliged to answer to any help request. if he know and if he can help, he answers.
[13:46] <akis> i am not an expert but i am just wondering how /home is bigger than the whole system. maybe in pc's and OS's world there is an explanation. i am looking for this explanation because i have a special reason.
[13:52] <testdr> akis: do you think (i try to read brain) you have deleted files and the free space did not show up for those files?
[13:53] <testdr> akis: then it could be those files are only gone to the wastebasket and you have to empty this
[13:53] <akis> testdr: first of all thank you for your time today. yesterday on my freshly installed system i had a problem. do you have more time to explain it here?
[13:54] <akis> testdr: (my basket is empty) but maybe we 're close to find something. can i explain to you?
[13:54] <testdr> akis: you ask and if someone has an answer or tip - you will get one
[13:59] <akis> testdr: you have right. well...have a look here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8233669/
[14:10] <testdr> akis: first check the usage, like this: 1.  du  -sh   /home          and 2.   du   -sh    /home/*
[14:13] <akis> testdr: do i have to use sudo. i have more than one accounts and the system returns me 'access denied'
[14:13] <testdr> and only to not forget it, your used "mv-command" was wrong, cause the usage of "*" does not take the hidden-files (aka dot-files).
[14:13] <testdr> akis: then you have to use sudo
[14:14] <akis> testdr: i used it already. it gaves me 21g for 1st account, 4,7g for 2nd and hanged on 3rd for unknown reason but i know that is 1,8 g counted with pcmanFM
[14:16] <testdr> akis: pls. exec those two commands and paste the result in the pastebin
[14:16] <testdr> akis:and if the command cannot run (you say lasts forever), then there is something wrong with this part
[14:16] <akis> testdr: i used it already. it gaves me 21g for 1st account, 4,7g for 2nd and hanged on 3rd (finished after some secs) 1,9 g= total 27,6g
[14:17] <akis> testdr: ok i will past them soon, wait
[14:17] <testdr> akis: you still missed the first command
[14:18] <akis> testdr: i gave it. it returned me (with sudo) 55g !!!
[14:19] <akis> testdr: paste.ubuntu.com/8233810/
[14:24] <testdr> akis: now try another du, that may produce a long list, so for the second run, you can pipe it into less.   The command is:   sudo  du  -Sh  /home
[14:25] <testdr> akis: or first do a      sudo    ls   -la   /home
[14:27] <akis> testdr: the first command returns all dirs?
[14:28] <akis> and theri size?
[14:28] <testdr> yes - therfore you may first try the second - we may need the first one so you can see where is what
[14:29] <testdr> if you use encrypted user-home-dirs, there should/could be some hidden files, like .ecryptfs in the /home
[14:30] <akis> i run the 1st with  sudo  du  -Sh  /home/* and i took infos for the other accounts too. as fas as i can see there is no where double files (the missing ones).
[14:30] <testdr> akis: that was not my command -- you did add an * asterisk
[14:30] <testdr> and a slash
[14:30] <akis> yes, i did!
[14:30] <testdr> and why?
[14:32] <testdr> an asterisk in the shell will only work for non-hidden-files and if we look for hidden files, we would never notice those
[14:33] <akis> look i count...sudo du -sh /home/* gives me 21+4,7+1,9=27,6 * 2 (encryption)= 55,2 = what gives sudo du -sh /home. have i right?
[14:34] <akis> sudo  du  -Sh  /home/* returned me hidden too!
[14:44] <testdr> akis: you are the user-name "user"?
[14:45] <akis> yes i am
[14:46] <testdr> akis: then its possible you cannot see the duplicate date as long as you logged in, because the later copied data is mounted over the old one. You should use a ubuntu-live-version and mount the partition and do the checks from there
[14:46] <testdr> s/date/data/
[14:47] <testdr> akis: another solution is, you create a second admin-user and use this account to do the checks for your "user" home-directory, when it is not de-encrypted
[14:48] <testdr> akis: you have to logout as the user to have the data only in the normal encrypted - not-readable way
[14:48] <akis> hmm. i thought about this (to use a live usb) but how can i access the encrypted accounts?
[14:49] <testdr> akis: you dont -- create now another user (name it "admin2") with admin-rights, then logout and login with this user-name. Then your home-directory is not over-mounted with the encrypted data
[14:52] <akis> is it maybe a solution to delete all accounts and re-configure them? i have all my data in a sd card.
[14:52] <testdr> akis: for explanation:  if i have a subdirectory with 4GB data in it and i do a mount of another disk-part on this subdirectory, then the old data seems to be gone, but it is not, it will still use the space but will only visible if the mount is not active. For your encrypted home-directory, as long as you logged in the over-mounted (old data from wrong mv) could not be seen.
[14:53] <testdr> akis: no (and yes - its not easy), if you use encrypted filesystems ecryptfs -- there should be a in deeper explanation about it in the wiki
[14:54] <akis> testdr: i understand. you are on this! i was near but i could understand what is happening. you explain to me.
[14:55] <testdr> ecryptfs is nice, but a pain if you change usernames and have to move it around, because you have to take into account if it is encrypted or not and you cannot mix those
[14:55] <akis> testdr: is there any other way to see on my /home beyond the possibility to make a new account?
[14:56] <testdr> like you already thougt - from a live version you may see the files from the mv-command and those from the later cp-command
[14:56] <testdr> but only encrypted
[14:58] <akis> explain me something. i got that the all 3 accounts have 27 g . The missing are counting on this amount?
[14:58] <testdr> akis: i would suggest, use a second admin-user and with your old user logout, check with the second admin-user the diskusage of the home/directory
[15:01] <akis> when i choose to delete the new account it will be deleted with no remains?
[15:01] <akis> no left over i mean?
[15:01] <testdr> i dont understand - again, you have to check the pure filesystem and not the one encrypted for your user - that is annother mount and may hide data
[15:02] <testdr> akis: yes and no -- there is an option to delete the home-dir-data and all data that the user owns (last is risky because a lot of users are never aware where they store data)
[15:05] <akis> i am creating a new user: user_test. how can i give the admin privileges?
[15:08] <akis> ok i founfd it
[15:08] <testdr> akis: (i get tired typing the wiki) you create a new user with the graphical user-administration and change the account type to admin
[15:09] <holstein> you can search for and remove whatever files you choose
[15:09] <holstein> the users /home should be left there
[15:11] <akis> ok. i am trying to fix it. i will need your help soon.
[15:15] <holstein> akis: fix what?
[15:16] <akis> testdr: i am in user's account but i dont see something unusual
[15:16] <holstein> akis: i think you are misunderstanding how i am trying to respond to your requests for a "fix", friend.. if you remove a user, the files stay.. there is no need for a fix for that
[15:16] <akis> holstein: sorry not fix, create
[15:17] <holstein> akis: create what? a new user? sudo adduser is what i use
[15:17] <testdr> akis: what das the "sudo du -sh /home" now shows
[15:18] <testdr> akis: and how can you see into the user-home-directory, when it now should be encrypted?
[15:18] <akis> testdr: type them on user_test terminal?
[15:18] <testdr> yes
[15:19] <akis> "sudo du -sh /home" now shows 55 g. the same as before. i changes the privileges of user so i can see it form user_test. am i right?
[15:21] <holstein> i dont
[15:21] <holstein> if i want to "see" some users files, i'll just use sudo momentarily..
[15:23] <testdr> akis: do a:    sudo   du  -sh    /home/\.??*
[15:24] <akis> testdr: 28 g /home/.ecryptfs
[15:24] <testdr> akis: now do a:    sudo   du  -sh   /home/*
[15:25] <testdr> and count the sum of both -- different directorys
[15:26] <akis> 21g+4,7g+1,9g+476k=28 the same as before plus the new account
[15:26] <testdr> akis: arghh -- is the .ecryptfs in this list? ..
[15:27] <akis> command not found!
[15:28] <holstein> !paste | akis
[15:28] <testdr> akis: you have already typed the command and posted some lines above the size of .ecryptfs
[15:29] <akis> ah ... not just the accounts. 3+1 accounts. no .ecryptfs
[15:29] <testdr> akis: if you use an ecrypted user-home-directory and it is not decrypted (the user not logged in), then there should be not very much - only a few fiels with text-hint that this is encrypted data
[15:31] <akis> you mean that the accounts aren't encrypted?
[15:31] <testdr> akis: you have around 28GB in different user-home-directorys and again around 28GB in the /home/.ecryptfs directory  -- thats a sum of about 56GB
[15:31] <akis> thats right. i mentioned already.
[15:32] <testdr> akis: i dont know - i dont sit at your computer - you only tell me you used another admin-account and then you should not be able to view the encrypted data of other users (if this is encrypted)
[15:32] <holstein> akis: the accounts are encrypted if you encrypt them
[15:32] <holstein> !encryption
[15:33] <testdr> and encryption is done with the login of this user and they are viewable as long as the user is active(and did not logout)
[15:34] <akis> if i use a live cd to see them i cannot. i can see on these account because i changed the privileges of the account. i dont know if this is right or not
[15:34] <testdr> encryption is not the same like to have no privileges!
[15:36] <akis> ok understand that, but if where encrypted and there was not possibility to have any access on them why i create the new account?
[15:36] <holstein> akis: you are not *supposed* to be able to see them..
[15:36] <testdr> akis: if your user "user" (why did you select this name? To make riddles) is not logged in - then you should see only the hint-files like: Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop -> /usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-private.desktop
[15:39] <akis> when i am trying to access the "encrypted" accounts through a live-cd i can see the /home but no access is permitted on it. is that a sign of encryption?
[15:39] <testdr> akis: no! Use sudo
[15:40] <holstein> akis: you are not *intended* to access those
[15:40] <testdr> akis: why do you think the stupid-ubuntu-live-user has default admin-right like superuser root?
[15:40] <holstein> akis: http://www.howtogeek.com/116297/how-to-recover-an-encrypted-home-directory-on-ubuntu/
[15:41] <holstein> depending on what is the intended purpose, i would just login to the user account and get the data i need.. i would have an unencrypted copy on a *seperate* external hard drive
[15:41] <akis> testdr: sudo and what to access them?
[15:41] <testdr> akis: you should take a brake and read the last link from holstein - maybe you get the trick and why you sometimes move in circles
[15:42] <holstein> akis: its not only sudo.. its *quite* involved. you encrypted your /home to prevent the access you are trying to facilitate
[15:42] <testdr> akis: sudo is a command to execute other command with different rights
[15:42] <holstein> !sudo
[15:44] <akis> so what is the result of all these?
[15:44] <testdr> holstein: from what i did understand - it looks like akis has moved data (around 20GB) into his encrypted home-directory and later after login, the data was gone, because the encrypted data is mounted over his home.
[15:45] <holstein> testdr: oh, i remember now.. the first i heard about this days ago there was no encryption envolved with the process
[15:45] <holstein> testdr: i dont mean to step on your toes at all, i just noticed the circling around
[15:46] <testdr> but the data is still there - it is only not visible as long as he is logged in.  He has du about 21GB of his not decrypted home-directory and over 20GB of the .encryptfs-dir, that is used if he logs in
[15:46] <holstein> akis: this may just be a learning experience for you.. you seem to be having issues with encyption.. i suggest not using it
[15:46] <akis> i reboot the system and now i dont have permission to user although i gave the privileges.
[15:46] <holstein> akis: if i wanted to "recover" data, i would try the tool i suggested before.. testdisk.. i would use the guide i linked above to get into the encrypted /home from a live CD, or just install testdisk in the installation
[15:47] <holstein> akis: yo udont *need* permission like that.. thats not the problem
[15:47] <akis> the first time i used encryption was manually on 12.04 . now on 14.04 i choosed auto but you return me that it doesnt work
[15:47] <holstein> akis: no one has returned you that it doesnt work
[15:48] <holstein> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step is what i would use if files were freshly deleted
[15:48] <testdr> akis: it works - but you broke your setup - you did data-change without taking the encryption into account.
[15:48] <akis> dear friend during installation the user (exxpert or not) he just make a click. then everything is automatic. isnt it?
[15:48] <holstein> but, in the future, you need to have backups.. and on different drives.. you should have that *before* moving any data like that
[15:48] <testdr> no - nothing is automatic.
[15:48] <holstein> and, dont move the data.. just copy
[15:49] <akis> testdr: why ? because i gave a mv commad?
[15:50] <testdr> akis: yes - the mv did not move into the encrypted home-directory
[15:50] <holstein> akis: that is correct.. you *dont* move your files like that.. its why you lost them
[15:51] <holstein> akis: you dont need to move them.. you should, in the future, *not* move them, but, just copy them, to a seperate drive
[15:51] <testdr> akis: it did mv into a user-directory like it is without encryption - thats why you as user cannot see the data.
[15:52] <holstein> sudo doesnt "break" that encyption..
[15:52] <holstein> akis: everything is working properly..
[15:53] <akis> holstein: dear friend. the other days i complain about slow internet and many of you told me that something is not right in my system. finally you to go to a chat room for my native language. i google enough and i found many usesrs they complain for slow internet and the problem was ipv6. and i can report that the same problem i had on both my systems under xubuntu and lubuntu and i solve it googling.
[15:54] <holstein> akis: that could have also been taken care of on your network..
[15:55] <holstein> akis: still, im glad you got your system internet working.. the fact here is, sudo doesnt break encryption.. and you dont have anything that is functioning improperly to fix
[15:55] <holstein> akis: you have *many* suggestions above to try to access the information you mv'd incorrectly
[15:55] <akis> holstein: ok, i cannot say no, but i didnt have the problel running 12.04 on the same machines and the same network and provider and router. so what?
[15:56] <holstein> akis: this is just volunteer support, friend.. there are no guaratnees or promises.. i am a volunteer
[15:57] <akis> i am glad too i make my machine running fast. i appreciate your voluntiaring efforts (excuse me for my english)
[15:57] <holstein> akis: your machine was *always* running fast
[15:58] <akis> i appreciate them very very much and thats why i am here.
[15:58] <holstein> akis: may i suggest a native language channel/community for you?
[15:58] <akis> running internet fast if you want
[15:59] <akis> i prefer this channel because i am here for years (from suse and when ubuntu was not well known) and because they are loggin many users
[16:00] <testdr> akis: are you german?
[16:01] <akis> if the problem is the language i wish you could learn my language which is one of the most ancient in this planet and for just 1 vote isnt the USA language!
[16:01] <akis> testdr: I am GREEK !!!
[16:02] <akis> testdr: well now what? i created the new account? and now what?
[16:02] <holstein> akis: you read above, and choose what you would like to do
[16:03] <holstein> !encryption
[16:03] <holstein> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[16:03] <akis> why encryption is involving to space problem?
[16:03] <holstein> akis: what space problem?
[16:03] <akis> should i go for a new installation?
[16:04]  * ianorlin also recommends if you do use encryption a safe deposit box is a secure enough place to write down password and keep it as it is in a secure place
[16:04] <akis> should or not to tick encryption if i choose encryption?
[16:04] <holstein> akis: i already state, you should reinstall *not* using encyption
[16:04] <holstein> akis: i would read about its use for longer before using it
[16:06] <akis> any way i give up. i think i create new account for no reason.
[16:06] <holstein> akis: i think it was due to the volunteers here not understanding your questions or issues
[16:07] <testdr> akis: i hope from what you did see, you understand that in the encryption-"store" - the directory  /home/.ecryptfs - there is the data of your main-user-account and in the user-home-directory again. But if you login as this user, only the encrypted data is used and thats why you cannot delete the other data.
[16:09] <testdr> akis: cause you said you have your backup of the data -- you can as the second admin-user delete some directorys in the /home/user directory and you will see the data-usage get lower
[16:10] <holstein> if i had a backup, i would just start over, and be aware of what encryption is, or not use it..
[16:10] <akis> i think that after so many hours here is a little complicated for even i am an almost 30 years PC users for the days of Amstrad 8086!!! never mind. i give up dear friends. thank you for you time today appreciating your efforts to help e. i hope on next days i will find a solution ggogling the problem otherwise i reinstall my system. once again have a nice day and be happy!
[16:16] <Glorfinde1> HELP!
[16:16] <Glorfinde1> lol
[16:16] <Glorfinde1> every thing is green tinted on my moniter
[16:16] <Glorfinde1> and I'm not sure why
[16:16] <holstein> Glorfinde1: i would start by testing the hardware, since, when i have seen that in the past, it has been failing monitor/graphics card
[16:17] <Glorfinde1> 'k
[16:17] <holstein> then, i would try the bios screen.. and a live CD.. to remove the installed operating system from the equation.. then move on to drivers in use, and what updates have been done when..
[16:17] <Glorfinde1> I was having problems with the port
[16:17] <Glorfinde1> ok
[16:17] <wxl> thaaaaaaaaaaat sounds bad
[16:17] <Glorfinde1> yeha
[16:17] <holstein> Glorfinde1: well, linux is not magic, so, if the port is bad, the operating system cant address that
[16:18] <Glorfinde1> *yeah, come to think of it the grub screen was bad too
[16:18] <wxl> what about the bios splash?
[16:18] <holstein> then, if grub is "bad", its not the drive in linux.. if the bios screen is "Bad", then, my money is on hardware failure..
[16:18] <holstein> driver*
[16:18]  * wxl nods
[16:19] <Glorfinde1> ok
[16:20] <Glorfinde1> first I better unplug a few things :D
[16:20] <wxl> like your usb rocket launcher?
[16:20] <Glorfinde1> IDK what is it?
[16:20] <holstein> the bus powered vga disruptor ;)
[16:20] <wxl> https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/8a0f/
[16:21] <Glorfinde1> mk
[16:22] <Glorfinde1> it isn't the moniter itself
[16:22] <wxl> therre's also the usb pet rock https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/c208/?pfm=Search&t=pet%20rock
[16:22] <Glorfinde1> maybe the cable
[16:23] <Glorfinde1> LOL
[16:23] <Glorfinde1> that stuff is FUNNYU
[16:23] <Glorfinde1> -U
[16:23] <wxl> thinkgeek is the best but i digress. replace both cables with known good ones.
[16:24] <wxl> do you have dvi as well as vga?
[16:25] <ianorlin> also check that the pins are not bent
[16:25] <ianorlin> if it is dvi or vga
[16:25] <Glorfinde1> is DVI a white connecter?
[16:25] <wxl> yep
[16:25] <Glorfinde1> yes
[16:25] <Glorfinde1> but I don't have it on my pc
[16:26] <Glorfinde1> I'm using VGA
[16:28] <wxl> well nevermind that then. no hdmi right? :)
[16:28] <Glorfinde1> n
[16:28] <Glorfinde1> o
[16:28] <Glorfinde1> I'm ancient in tech
[16:28] <Glorfinde1> :D
[16:29] <wxl> hey, you've got dvi man
[16:29] <wxl> it's not THAT old :)
[16:29] <wxl> anywho, let us know what happens when you get some other cables
[16:29] <ianorlin> he said he doesn't have that
[16:29] <wxl> ianorlin: he has it on the monitor, but not on the video card
[16:29] <Glorfinde1> I have DVI on my moniter, not pc
[16:29] <ianorlin> ah
[16:29] <Glorfinde1> vidcard is intel integrated
[16:30] <Glorfinde1> not sure if you would call that a video card :P
[16:30] <wxl> let's say "gpu"
[16:30] <Glorfinde1> that works
[16:31] <Glorfinde1> testing other cable
[16:31] <Glorfinde1> be back in a few
[16:33] <Glorfinde1> Darn
[16:33] <Glorfinde1> no diff
[16:33] <Glorfinde1> :(
[16:34] <wxl> you don't have another monitor do you?
[16:34] <Glorfinde1> no
[16:34] <wxl> because i think if you have problems with the port, i'd want to check to see if that's not your problem
[16:34] <Glorfinde1> well
[16:34] <Glorfinde1> I do
[16:34] <Glorfinde1> but the moniter isn't the problem
[16:34] <wxl> i'm not thinking about the monitor
[16:35] <wxl> if you have another monitor which you know works, you can plug it in and if there's still a problem, especially at the bios screen, it's your port
[16:36] <Glorfinde1> I umplugged the VGA cable and the 'check video cable' screen shows fine
[16:36] <Glorfinde1> *unplugged
[16:36] <wxl> did you check the bios screen?
[16:37] <Glorfinde1> no
[16:37] <Glorfinde1> but seems it was a funny color when I started it
[16:37] <Glorfinde1> IIRC
[16:37] <wxl> i'd check that
[16:38] <wxl> i'm not sure if "check video cable" actually interacts with the port or not
[16:38] <wxl> seems like it should but i don't know…
[16:38] <Glorfinde1> which port do you mean? the one on the pc or the one on the moniter
[16:39] <Glorfinde1> *monitor
[16:39] <wxl> well i assume your problem you said you had was with the monitor?
[16:39] <wxl> oops
[16:39] <wxl> s/monitor/pc/
[16:41] <Glorfinde1> the monitor was not displaying correctly but IDK if it is the pc or the screen
[16:41] <Glorfinde1> but I am thinking it is the pc
[16:42] <wxl> 0917 < Glorfinde1:#lubuntu> I was having problems with the port
[16:42] <wxl> ↑ which port did you mean?
[16:42] <Glorfinde1> the one on the moniter
[16:42] <Glorfinde1> or
[16:42] <Glorfinde1> grr
[16:42] <Glorfinde1> *monitor
[16:43] <wxl> then i doubt the check video cable screen would even work right
[16:43] <wxl> so check that other monitor
[16:51] <Glorfinde1> ;k
[16:51] <Glorfinde1> *'k
[16:56] <Glorfinde1> nope
[16:56] <wxl> didn't work or did work?
[16:56] <Glorfinde1> that monitor will not display anything
[16:56] <Glorfinde1> res was to high or someting
[16:56] <wxl> bummer
[16:56] <wxl> did you restart the computer?
[16:57] <wxl> i mean it should display the bios screen
[16:57] <Glorfinde1> not yet
[16:57] <Glorfinde1> I
[16:57] <wxl> yeah i would restart the computer when you test the monitor
[16:57] <Glorfinde1> man the enter key is awefully close to the ' key
[16:58] <Glorfinde1> ok
[16:59] <Glorfinde1> I will do so when the updates are installed
[17:06] <Glorfinde1> thx for the help
[17:06] <wxl> np
[22:24] <Ahmuck> i like to tackle the periodic double power icons in systray.
[22:29] <Ahmuck> what channel do i need to connect to for help with the panel, systray, and sequence of startup options for basic services (power, network, wireless, etc.)  i'd like to have an understanding as i began tracking down icon differences and posibly multiple utlities or startup processes for the same piece of hardware
[22:29] <Ahmuck> where would i find documentation on this?
[23:13] <wxl> Ahmuck: if you `ps aux | grep -i power` do you see multiples of the same process running?