[00:02] <SP33D> such shit now i broke the whole system
[00:02] <SP33D> sudo depends on that folders
[00:02] <penguin42> don't say I didn't warn you
[00:03] <SP33D> its already over lol
[00:03] <SP33D> i need to boot in recovery mode and try to mount the backup
[00:03] <SP33D> lol
[00:05] <SP33D> you didn't warned me man
[00:05] <SP33D> thats why my system is now broken
[00:05] <SP33D> plz email your full contact details to my lawyer and prepare for getting sued :D
[00:05] <penguin42> SP33D: Sure, that's steve.jobs@....
[00:06] <penguin42> SP33D: So I take it your / partition is too small?
[00:06] <penguin42> or have you got a seperate /usr ?
[00:07] <penguin42> or should that be, did you have....
[00:12] <ikonia> SP33D: could you please try to keep the language clean.
[00:33] <unfo> Hi all!  I am running Debian.  Could someone running Ubuntu+1 please open a shell, type "help", and paste the output in #unpaste?
[00:34] <penguin42> why - that comes from bash?
[00:34] <unfo> penguin42:  I will explain.
[00:34] <unfo> penguin42:  after I compare :)
[00:35] <penguin42> unfo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8228120/
[00:37] <penguin42> unfo: That's from bash 4.3-9ubuntu1  which suggests there is an ubuntu patch in there
[00:38] <unfo> penguin42:  ok, thank you very much.  I now see that Ubuntu's bash help is just as obscure as Debian's bash help.
[00:38] <unfo> The explanation:  I was hoping for something like "Welcome to the Unix command line.  This is the Unix equivalent of the Windows Command Prompt.  There are many commands you can use, like cd, ls, cp, mv, and cat."
[00:38] <penguin42> unfo: No, that 'help' is part of the bash command
[00:38] <penguin42> unfo: and just provides help on bash's builtins
[00:39] <unfo> penguin42:  well, if someone is using Terminal, and they're stuck, and the have no clue how to display the contents of a directory, then "help" won't help them.
[00:39] <unfo> Only "ls" can help them.  And if they don't know to type "ls":  well, I guess they had better Google.
[00:41] <penguin42> unfo: Yes, although that's a very big space to describe; the best you could do would be to point to some tutorial
[00:43] <unfo> penguin42:  you could teach ls and cat, and then point to some tutorial "for more information".
[00:43] <penguin42> unfo: Yes, technically you don't need to install ls with bash which makes the dependency a  little tricky; the bash guys prefer having stuff in the 'info' command
[00:43] <penguin42> (I think)
[00:44] <penguin42> way way way back in the early days of unix (at the end of the 70s) there was a 'learn' command installed which did that basic type of intro
[00:44] <shadeslayer> anyone running Kubuntu utopic here?
[00:44] <unfo> shadeslayer:  Hi!
[00:44] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Here
[00:44] <unfo> !anyone
[00:44] <unfo> penguin42:  They do prefer 'info'.  It may be possible to install bash without ls, but it's unlikely.
[00:44] <penguin42> unfo: Agreed
[00:45] <unfo> penguin42:  A rare embedded system might have that.  Very rare.
[00:45] <penguin42> shadeslayer: What is the nature of your kubuntu utopic question
[00:45] <unfo> !tell shadeslayer about anyone
[00:46] <penguin42> unfo: Yeh and even then they normally have something basic, but still you'll have a hard time persuading bash to change it; an alias in the standard ubuntu bashrc might make sense?
[00:46] <shadeslayer> unfo: penguin42 have you guys noticed IO performance improvements over the last copy of days?
[00:46] <penguin42> shadeslayer: No, but this kubuntu utopic box doesn't do heavy IO
[00:47] <penguin42> shadeslayer: I did notice an odd graphics glitch in todays boot though
[00:47] <shadeslayer> penguin42: oh?
[00:48] <shadeslayer> can't say we've touched that part in the last couple of days
[00:48] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Yeh just as I was dragging a window into it's god-given position (Framework 5 seems to be even worse at saving window layout)
[00:48] <shadeslayer> oh, you're using Plasma 5?
[00:48] <penguin42> nod
[00:48] <penguin42> (but I doubt that would do much to IO performance...)
[00:48] <SP33D> penguin42 only to inform you i am back :D
[00:49]  * penguin42 gulps
[00:49] <SP33D> thx to my usb stick :D backup ;)
[00:50] <unfo> !anyone is Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. See also: <!ask> <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before>
[00:51] <shadeslayer> I think you have to be a op
[00:51] <penguin42> shadeslayer: I have this nice screen layout with 3 IRC windows and a shell , and it just never returns in the same order
[00:52] <shadeslayer> penguin42: I see, have you checked if you can reproduce it on the weekly neon5 ISO's
[00:52] <shadeslayer> penguin42: http://files.kde.org/snapshots/neon5-latest.iso
[00:53] <unfo> shadeslayer:  the bot forwarded my edit-request to #ubuntu-ops for consideration.
[00:53] <penguin42> shadeslayer: I haven't - is that in principal more upto date than the ppas?
[00:53] <shadeslayer> unfo: aha ok, didn't know it did that
[00:53] <shadeslayer> penguin42: yes
[00:53] <shadeslayer> penguin42: that's latest git
[00:53] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Oh, right
[00:54] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Might be a bit tricky to setup an equivalent VM but I'll give it a go; are you using 5 ?
[00:54] <shadeslayer> penguin42: I'm using Neon :)
[00:54] <shadeslayer> I'm thinking of getting a SSD, so I have to install utopic at some point
[00:54] <penguin42> I keep meaning to attack the screenlocker and add a way to blank the screen
[00:55] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Get an SSD, they're ludicrously quick to boot; but get a good make
[00:55] <shadeslayer> yeah, one of the Samsung/Intels
[00:55] <shadeslayer> lets see
[00:55] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Yeh
[00:55] <unfo> penguin42:  why not a Seagate Momentus XT?
[00:55] <shadeslayer> still on the fence
[00:55] <shadeslayer> I have a 3 year old laptop
[00:55] <shadeslayer> that could die any moment
[00:55] <penguin42> unfo: That the cached disk?
[00:55] <unfo> penguin42:  yep.
[00:55] <shadeslayer> pondering about investing more into it
[00:56] <unfo> penguin42:  it comes with some gigabytes of flash, for cache purposes.  My cousin bought one.  It worked perfectly.
[00:56] <penguin42> unfo: On my main machine I have the ssd and I have a separate hard disk; the OS and /home on the SSD and then I use the spinny disk for big stuff
[00:56] <unfo> penguin42:  a waste of effort.  You could use one Momentus XT for all partitions.
[00:56] <penguin42> unfo: Except I already had the hard drive when I added the ssd and it's a desktop system so it was easier
[00:57] <unfo> penguin42:  fair.
[00:57] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Nearly got that iso :-)
[00:57] <shadeslayer> :D
[00:57] <penguin42> 6.44MB/s is going some
[00:58] <unfo> shadeslayer:  A Momentus XT is probably a better buy than an SSD.
[00:58] <unfo> shadeslayer:  Read the reviews.
[00:58] <unfo> shadeslayer:  They work well.
[00:58] <shadeslayer> jebus
[00:58] <shadeslayer> 1TB
[00:59] <penguin42> shadeslayer: It's a hard drive + SSD cache in one thing that just looks to the host like a disc
[00:59] <unfo> shadeslayer:  it comes with firmware which handles all the caching.
[01:00] <shadeslayer> oh wo
[01:00] <shadeslayer> this is cheap
[01:00] <penguin42> shadeslayer: But it's only about 8GB of flash
[01:00] <shadeslayer> I think one of my colleagues has something like this
[01:01] <unfo> penguin42:  but 8GB is enough to hold the basic daily-use parts of any OS, including the office suite plus web browser.
[01:01] <shadeslayer> idk, I have a macbook pro 2011, and I can get a hybrid case
[01:01] <shadeslayer> so I can have 2 storage mediums
[01:01] <penguin42> shadeslayer: wth is the passowrd for the live session user?
[01:01] <shadeslayer> if I remove my CD drive
[01:02] <shadeslayer> penguin42: nothing, just login
[01:02] <penguin42> oh yeh, it didn't want to do that at first
[01:02] <shadeslayer> oh? 0.o
[01:02] <shadeslayer> it should just work
[01:02] <penguin42> hmm, it's very upset by running in vmvga card
[01:02] <shadeslayer> yeah
[01:03] <shadeslayer> you probably want to switch to TTY2 and back to TTY1
[01:03] <shadeslayer> plasma 5 isn't meant for virtualized hw yet
[01:03] <shadeslayer> since it's all QML2 and GPU accelerated and magic
[01:03] <shadeslayer> and ponies
[01:03] <shadeslayer> and unicorns
[01:03] <shadeslayer> can't forget the unicorns
[01:03] <unfo> shadeslayer:  the biggest Momentus XT is 4 terabytes.  But that's a 3.5" hard drive.
[01:04] <shadeslayer> @_@
[01:04] <shadeslayer> unfo: but like I said
[01:04] <shadeslayer> I could have all my data that I don't really use on my current HDD and buy a SSD + Hybrid case
[01:04] <unfo> shadeslayer:  you can.  You'd then have to manually move data back and forth between the two volumes.
[01:04] <unfo> shadeslayer:  A hassle, but doable.
[01:05] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Is that installable or is it only live on that iso?
[01:05] <shadeslayer> symlinks
[01:05] <shadeslayer> symlinks ftw :P
[01:05] <shadeslayer> penguin42: yes
[01:05] <shadeslayer> penguin42: search for install from kickoff or krunner
[01:05] <penguin42> ok, will do
[01:07] <unfo> shadeslayer:  alternatively, you could buy an SSD and set yourself up with one of the Linux equivalents of Microsoft ReadyBoost.  bcache or dm-cache both offer such functionality.
[01:07] <unfo> penguin42:  ever tried one of those?
[01:08] <penguin42> unfo: No, I just install the OS on the SSD
[01:08] <unfo> penguin42:  I guess it's less effort.
[01:11] <unfo> penguin42:  Western Digital does manufacture hybrid hard drives with more than 8GB of flash.  But as you add more flash, the law of diminishing returns starts to apply.
[01:11] <unfo> penguin42:  there's more information at <http://enwp.org/Hybrid_drive>.
[01:12] <penguin42> unfo: Yeh, tbh I don't like the idea of the lack of control
[01:14] <unfo> penguin42:  it just works.  It controls itself perfectly, so you don't _have_ to control it.
[01:14] <unfo> Although I guess the kind of people who like buying SSD are big fans of fine-grained control.
[01:16] <penguin42> shadeslayer: It's interesting they're using QtCurve as the default Gtk style; it makes sense, Oxygen-gtk has never been stable for me
[01:16] <shadeslayer> actually ...
[01:16] <shadeslayer> that's probably not QtCurve
[01:16] <shadeslayer> they're making their own
[01:16] <penguin42> it says it is!
[01:16] <shadeslayer> ok
[01:17] <shadeslayer> then it hasn't landed on the ISO yet
[01:17] <shadeslayer> maybe this week
[01:17] <shadeslayer> penguin42: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=120628
[01:18] <penguin42> shadeslayer: I really do need to look at the lock screen, it really annoys me
[01:18] <shadeslayer> please send feedback via forums to the VDG! :D
[01:18] <shadeslayer> it's extremely useful
[01:18] <penguin42> vdg?
[01:18] <shadeslayer> KDE has a Visual Design Group
[01:18] <shadeslayer> that is steering the look of Plasma 5
[01:19] <shadeslayer> ( instead of letting developers go mental )
[01:20] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Actually, the look I'm ok with, my problem is I want a way to blank the display on demand
[01:22] <SP33D> can i use this qt styling stuff at present
[01:22] <SP33D> when i am on utopic?
[01:24] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Generally I like the new style ( a bit too close to looking like MS in some ways) but it's still a little buggy
[01:25] <shadeslayer> blank displays on demand?
[01:25] <shadeslayer> so like, you hit a key combo and the screen turns off?
[01:25] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Yeh, say I'm at the lockscreen, I want that to go black
[01:25] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Yeh
[01:26] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Two use cases
[01:26] <shadeslayer> file a bug report?
[01:26] <shadeslayer> could you do that in KDE4?
[01:26] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Yeh I've got half a feeling I did a long time ago and it was closed, I might try again
[01:26] <penguin42> shadeslayer: No you couldn't on 4
[01:26] <shadeslayer> ok, just curious
[01:26] <penguin42> shadeslayer: but 4's advanced screen locker did have a mode which was very configurable you could set as almost completely blank
[01:26] <penguin42> (albeit was hopelessly insecure)
[01:27] <shadeslayer> as for the bug report, propose use cases on the bug report and if it's within reason, the devs should implement it
[01:27] <penguin42> shadeslayer: My 2 use cases are 1) Your watching TV and you accidentally knock the mouse and you have the monitor glaring at you   and 2) When blanking doesn't work automatically (like with synergy)
[01:33] <penguin42> shadeslayer: I'm pleasently surprised to see it's still working on non-GL chipsets (e.g. my VM)
[01:34] <shadeslayer> it'll 'work'
[01:34] <shadeslayer> till it doesn't
[01:34] <shadeslayer> it's not really a tested config
[01:34] <shadeslayer> I've seen backtraces that go into vbox dri drivers
[01:34] <shadeslayer> those are fun
[01:35] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Pity, because IMHO it works a lot better than Gnome3 in a KVM guest
[01:35] <shadeslayer> penguin42: well, can't be helped
[01:35] <shadeslayer> but I hear KVM is getting openGL support
[01:35] <shadeslayer> so maybe it'll work properly then
[01:35] <penguin42> I don't think in the near future to be honest
[01:36] <penguin42> there is the Virgil work but I wouldn't expect it any time soon
[01:36] <shadeslayer> yeah
[01:36] <shadeslayer> lets see
[01:39] <penguin42> they want stuff filed on bugs.kde.org I assume?
[01:43] <shadeslayer> penguin42: yes
[01:43] <shadeslayer> alternatively
[01:43] <shadeslayer> kde.fail :p
[01:44]  * shadeslayer goes back to hacking on Qt
[01:44] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Oh wow
[01:46] <shadeslayer> penguin42: kde.fail ? :D
[01:46] <penguin42> yes
[01:46] <shadeslayer> yeah, it's a bit funny ^_^
[01:46] <penguin42> shadeslayer: That is the single best tld I'm aware of
[01:46] <shadeslayer> haha
[01:47] <shadeslayer> www.tipthismuch.in is pretty cool as well
[01:48] <shadeslayer> penguin42: btw http://kde.sexy/
[01:48] <shadeslayer> KDE has fun TLD's :p
[01:58] <penguin42> shadeslayer: My original bug was kde bug 311116
[01:59] <shadeslayer> penguin42: so the idea seems sane, but just that it wasn't properly implemented
[01:59] <shadeslayer> penguin42: mind reporting that again ?
[01:59] <shadeslayer> but this time against plasmashell
[02:00] <penguin42> ah it's in the shell now?
[02:00] <shadeslayer> well, I think
[02:00] <shadeslayer> I don't remember components and products off the top of my head
[02:00] <penguin42> sheesh what use  :-)
[02:01] <shadeslayer> I actually don't see something good for this
[02:02] <shadeslayer> penguin42: just report against plasmashell/general
[02:02] <shadeslayer> and then someone should move it to the right product/component
[02:04] <penguin42> shadeslayer: kde bug 338796
[02:04] <shadeslayer> cheers
[02:05]  * shadeslayer heads to bed
[02:05] <penguin42> yeh that's not a bad idea; it's passed 3am :-)
[02:05] <shadeslayer> penguin42: fwiw that might go into kscreen
[02:05] <shadeslayer> since kscreen can blank screens
[02:06] <shadeslayer> and kscreen is now part of workspaces
[02:06] <penguin42> ok, lets see what happens
[02:06] <shadeslayer> and it has a kded module running
[02:06] <shadeslayer> yeah
[02:06] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Thanks for your pointers
[02:06] <shadeslayer> penguin42: UTC? :P
[02:06] <shadeslayer> np
[02:06] <penguin42> shadeslayer: UTC+1
[02:06] <penguin42> (UK)
[02:06] <shadeslayer> ah yeah that
[02:07]  * shadeslayer has a flight in 8 hours for Akademy \o/
[02:07] <penguin42> have fun
[02:07] <shadeslayer> AKA sleep deprivation and drunkenness for a week
[02:07] <penguin42> I'm sure we'll see lots of patches then....
[02:07] <shadeslayer> haha
[02:07] <shadeslayer> I hope so too
[02:08] <shadeslayer> #breaktheci
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:49] <cjohnston> Hello, I upgraded to 14.10 last night from 14.04... My laptop is now fairly un-usable.. Nothing in the top right corner is showing up (date/time, icons, etc).. The unity bar on the left shows up with all the icons I expect, however I can't open any of the apps, nor the dash.. Tried something like ctrl alt T to open the terminal to no avail.. If I switch to a different console, I'm able to login, and I'm
[11:49] <cjohnston> looking through the logs now but so far don't see anything.. any thoughts?
[11:50] <penguin42> cjohnston: have you tried doing an apt-get update   and apt-get dist-upgrade from the console just to see if it's fixed already?
[11:50] <cjohnston> penguin42: no updates available
[11:52] <penguin42> cjohnston: Does it work as the guest user ?
[11:55] <cjohnston> let me try
[11:55] <cjohnston> before logging in, everything appears correct, I see the time and date, network indicator, etc
[11:56] <cjohnston> guest appears the same as my regular user
[11:56] <penguin42> hmm, that's a pity
[11:57] <penguin42> cjohnston: what graphics card?
[11:59] <cjohnston> hrm. this time when logging into a different console I see a couple systemd issues, but they aren't providing a ton of info
[12:02] <penguin42> cjohnston: There are a few systemd warnings even on working systems
[12:02] <cjohnston> penguin42: NVIDIA NVS 5400M
[12:04] <penguin42> cjohnston: Did you previously have the nvidia closed drivers installed?
[12:08] <penguin42> cjohnston: They tend to break on upgrade; so I'd try uninstalling from the command line and seeing if it survives ok on the open drivers and then if there are new closed drivers for utopic (not sure if they're ready yet)  reinstall them
[12:14] <BluesKaj> cjohnston, I'm using the nvidia-331-updates driver and it seems to work ok on KDE except for the login page not loading, but startx gets me to the desktop. How 331-updates will behave on Unity is another matter though.
[12:17] <BluesKaj> cjohnston, are you running Optimus graphics ?
[12:24] <cjohnston> BluesKaj: that is the card, yes
[12:26] <cjohnston> BluesKaj: penguin42 I have xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and libdrm-nouveau2 installed..  nothing nvidia-...
[12:26] <BluesKaj> so you have an intel and a nvidia dual gpu system?
[12:26] <cjohnston> The graphics seem to work fine, the display looks correct except for missing the notification stuff..
[12:26] <cjohnston> no
[12:26] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:27] <BluesKaj> nouveau is the default nvidia driver on ubuntu , usually works quite well
[12:28] <cjohnston> yup
[12:31] <cjohnston> ya, I don't think it's anything to do with the graphics.. :-/
[12:31] <cjohnston> logs don't seem overly helpful either
[12:35] <elfy> BluesKaj: pretty sure that's a lightdm update to .8 - install with that I need startx - this install with everything BUT lightdm updated works fine
[12:40] <BluesKaj> elfy, ok thanks for the heads up, logging in from the VT isn't a big deal until the fix comes down
[12:41] <elfy> bug 1365336 if you want to me too it :)
[12:45] <BluesKaj> actually the pc boots directly to the VT login , as if lightdm doesn't even exist
[12:46] <elfy> yea think so here
[12:46] <elfy> I meant I'd logged into tty1
[12:47] <elfy> I'll reword it
[12:47] <BluesKaj> yeah the tty or vt as I was informed by a guru
[12:48] <elfy> :)
[12:48] <BluesKaj> vt=virtual terminal ///what the difference is
[12:48] <elfy> no idea :)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> forgotten rather
[12:49] <elfy> guru's can guru if they want - as long as they understand my no guru I'm fine with that :p
[12:50] <BluesKaj> anyway I was corrected with vigour :)
[12:51] <BluesKaj> elfy, well you know how picky some of these ADD geeks can be :)
[12:51] <elfy> :)
[12:53] <BluesKaj> I got booted from #ubuntu for calling one of them a "correction troll"
[12:54] <BluesKaj> banned actually
[12:59] <elfy> well - that's likely to happen in ubuntu space channels
[13:00] <BluesKaj> it was personal IMO, but I don't miss the chat much since ubuntu is becoming so different vs kubuntu now
[13:01] <elfy> I don't use that channel - didn't when I used ubuntu
[13:01] <elfy> has it's place of course
[13:07] <cjohnston> BluesKaj, penguin42 I just tried a livecd and it is the same there
[13:08] <penguin42> cjohnston: Sounds like they broke it then
[13:08] <BluesKaj> cjohnston, seems to me your upgrades and dist-upgrades didn't work
[13:09] <cjohnston> BluesKaj: if it's broken on the live cd, I don't think your statement makes sense
[13:10] <BluesKaj> the ugrades fix the existing problem that the livecd has
[13:11] <BluesKaj> so your install isn't upgraded
[13:11] <elfy> cjohnston: I'[ve got the same issue with live sessions - it has the lightdm updated
[13:11] <BluesKaj> live cd are seldom up to date, cjohnston
[13:12] <BluesKaj> err cds
[13:18] <cjohnston> BluesKaj: I'm on 1.11.8-0ubuntu1 for lightdm
[13:19] <cjohnston> elfy: you were saying you need to run
[13:19] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Well, except for the nightlies
[13:19] <cjohnston> 'startx' to work with that version?
[13:19] <cjohnston> I downloaded the 20140904 daily..
[13:21] <BluesKaj> cjohnston, same lightdm here, but I run kde so who what the problem could be , I just get an error saying service 1000 unknown then it boots to the VT/TTY login
[13:22] <BluesKaj> who knows
[13:23] <BluesKaj> I haven't checked the logs yet since it's on a different pc
[13:23] <cjohnston> BluesKaj: I do see that
[13:24] <cjohnston> hmm.. nouveau MMIO read of 0x00000000 FAULT at 0x002140 [ !ENGINE ]
[13:34] <BluesKaj> cjohnston, unfortunately I don't see any errors regarding lightdm in /var/log/syslog, however nvidia-331-updates driver shows as activated ..I switched from nouveau because it wasn't working well virtual desktops on kde
[13:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: lightdm errors normally land in /var/log/lightdm
[13:49] <BluesKaj> oops sorry , lightdm logs says user1000 added then it says user 1000 changed and that's all]
[13:51] <penguin42> that is the last message in my lightdm.log - but is that all you've got?
[13:51] <cjohnston> elfy: fwiw, the systemd-shim bug report, that version (7-2) is still in proposed... so unless you have utopic-proposed, it isn't your bug..
[13:51] <cjohnston> I am still on 7-1
[13:59] <BluesKaj_> penguin42, http://paste.kde.org/pxyfhfzul\
[14:00] <BluesKaj_> err http://paste.kde.org/pxyfhfzul
[14:00] <penguin42> oh weird
[14:01] <penguin42> BluesKaj_: So the only difference in the lines we've actually got is that I see you've got a /usr/local/share/lightdm.conf.d/90-nvidia.conf
[14:01] <penguin42> BluesKaj_: Can you do a dpkg -S   on that to see where it comes from?
[14:03] <BluesKaj_> no path found
[14:03] <penguin42> what's in it?
[14:05] <BluesKaj_> krunner says the path doesn't exist either
[14:06] <BluesKaj_> also tried /usr/local/share/lightdm.conf.d , but it's not valid
[14:08] <penguin42> BluesKaj_: Sorry, the path is /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/90-nvidia.conf
[14:09] <BluesKaj_>  /usr/local/share seems to have a series of empty folders
[14:09] <penguin42> BluesKaj_: Do you have the Nvidia drivers installed?
[14:10] <BluesKaj_> penguin42, ok , http://paste.kde.org/po8fghffs
[14:11] <penguin42> BluesKaj_: I'm assuming that's coming from some Nvidia installed package - I'd try removing it....
[14:12] <BluesKaj_> yes the nvidia-331-updates driver the recommended nvidia-331 driver doesn't load, altho i don't see it blacklisted...think the kernel module was removed
[14:12] <penguin42> my guess is you've still got bits of the packages left over like that one
[14:13] <BluesKaj_> nvidia-331-updates driver and the regular 331 are obviously diffeent bersions of the same kernel module
[14:13] <BluesKaj_> verwions
[14:14] <BluesKaj_> where's my glasses
[14:15] <elfy> cjohnston: I know which version of -shim I have here - I said in bug report " no -shim upgrade available here unless I allow -proposed repos - so error here is apparently only lightdm"
[14:16] <cjohnston> elfy: did anything else upgrade when you upgraded lightdm? I switched from 14.04 to 14.10 so I have no idea what else may have been new
[14:16] <BluesKaj_> penguin42, well I prefer using the 331-updates over the nouveau ...the nouveau doesn't work well with my desktop preferences/effects ..logging in from the VT/TTY isn't a problem for me.
[14:17] <elfy> cjohnston: heh - I had a bunch of updates - BUT I have 2 installs here, one with everything BUT lightdm updated one with all updated - the one with the old lightdm boots properly
[14:17] <cjohnston> gotcha... I downgraded lightdm and rebooted and it still isn't working
[14:19] <BluesKaj_> ok , back to the laptop
[14:45] <BluesKaj> penguin42, cjohnston I have no issues with the newest version of lightdm  on this intel cpu and gpu laptop
[14:46] <cjohnston> ok
[14:49] <BluesKaj> lightdm must have an API problem with nvidia drivers including nouveau
[14:54] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Well maybe, I'm just suspicious of that lightdm nvidia conf file, since it's only your lightdm that's broke I'd try taking that conf file out
[14:55] <BluesKaj> well i suppose it's worth a try
[14:57] <SwedeMike> ml
[15:05] <BluesKaj> penguin42, took that /90-nvidia.conf text file out , but there's no change during rebooting
[15:05] <penguin42> oh well, worth a try
[15:42] <rgouveia> hi ... i'm having a weird issue with thunar not respecting my default applications even though they are defined. pdfs are opened with gimp instead of evince. i did some troubleshooting and it seems to be using mimeinfo.cache to get this information
[15:42] <rgouveia> even weirder is that if i open thunar /path/to/pdf on the terminal it opens with evince
[15:43] <rgouveia> running python -c 'import gio; print gio.app_info_get_all_for_type("application/pdf")' gives me gimp on the terminal
[15:43] <rgouveia> btw, this also happens with a newly created user
[15:43] <rgouveia> any ideas on what is going on ? :-)
[19:42] <daurnimator> anyone managed to run utopic under systemd-nspawn?
[19:42] <daurnimator> if you want to give it a try: mkdir utopic && sudo debootstrap --arch=amd64 utopic utopic http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ && sudo systemd-nspawn -D utopic
[19:43] <daurnimator> the first issue to show up is that dns resolution fails
[19:43] <daurnimator> which seems to be related to /run
[21:34] <daurnimator> https://asciinema.org/a/11947
[21:34] <daurnimator> ^^ if anyone can help
[21:38] <penguin42> for something that claims purely text based recording why is the playback so awful
[21:39] <Ampelbein> I can't watch it, no JS and too lazy to enable it.
[21:39] <daurnimator> why is it awful?
[21:41] <daurnimator> I can also pastebin the output if thats better
[21:41] <penguin42> daurnimator: It's displayed kind of huge, insists on playing back slow - I just want the text
[21:42] <daurnimator> sorry, the hugeness is just the size of my screen when I recorded it
[21:43] <daurnimator> to increase speed add ?speed=5 to the url to make it 5 times faster
[21:45] <penguin42> no, the size is due to the size that site decided to render it at rather than just presenting it as plain text back to us
[21:45] <daurnimator> http://codepad.org/GUWm9PU8 <== the failed spawn in pastebin form :)
[21:47] <penguin42> better, so it looks like it's the /dev/kmsg it's upset by
[21:48] <daurnimator> penguin42: googling around, the kmsg error doesn't seem to be a deal breaker
[21:48] <daurnimator> as in, its a warning, not an error
[22:02] <Sitting_Bullsht> ugh*