[01:18] <popey> @comment 63874 offtopic profanity
[01:18] <bazhang> thats utopian
[01:18] <bazhang> serious network wide issue
[01:19] <QuinnyPig> bazhang: Which?
[01:20] <bazhang> mesopotomain QuinnyPig , he has about 57 proxies, etc, a ton of nicks
[01:20] <bazhang> haha quinny funny nick
[01:21] <popey> infinmed also?
[01:21] <bazhang> yeppers
[01:22] <bazhang> let me check the one constant they all have
[01:22] <unfo> Hi all!  :)  Is there any way to find out if my bot edit requests end up getting approved or denied?
[01:28] <bazhang> 'njm' is pretty much the real name most all of those have in common (ie infimed, utopian mesoptomian et al)
[01:59] <popey> @comment 63877 inappropriate offtopicness
[01:59] <popey> as if there's appropriate offtopicness ⍨
[02:00] <unfo> @help comment
[02:00] <unfo> !help comment
[02:15] <rww> popey: in +b *!*uid42615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oztmwuykheoxamoo, the bit after the x- is randomly-generated on connect. you probably want +b *!*uid42615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/* instead
[02:16] <rww> less important for IRCCloud than most gateways, but still
[02:17] <popey> thank you. i used an alias to do it, I should be less lazy and do that properly
[02:17] <rww> yeah, a lot of us (me included) do them wrong for that reason
[02:18] <rww> unfo: sure, if they start existing in the bot, they got approved ;)
[02:18] <rww> unfo: in regards to !anyone, it used to exist and was removed, so I don't see it re-appearing any time soon
[02:18] <rww> unfo: and !sicco is not particularly useful imho
[02:18] <unfo> rww:  fair :)  Is !anyone not useful?
[02:20] <rww> hrm, i wonder if i could find the logs from the factoid review where we killed it
[02:21] <rww> ah, there we go
[02:22] <rww> previous text: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real  one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll."
[02:22] <rww> feedback from people at the time was that it was overused (and misused). i.e., people were throwing it at people pretty regularly, in situations where just asking for specific details would work better
[02:23] <rww> it's not that much harder to ask "are you having trouble with it?" than to throw a factoid, and just using factoids makes support channels feel a bit stodgy
[02:23] <unfo> rww:  the idea is to teach people how to correctly use support channels for the future.
[02:23] <elky> it doesn't though.
[02:23] <unfo> rww:  even though it is stodgy.
[02:24] <unfo> elky:  it doesn't?
[02:25] <rww> unfo: there's a bit of a tightrope here. on one side, we could spend huge amounts of time trying to tease details out of users who can't use IRC well. on the other hand, we could throw factoids at them until their question conforms to our preferences
[02:25] <rww> we felt that !anyone was a bit too far towards the latter
[02:25] <elky> unfo: it just makes people jump through hoops that they don't understand, and it feels like they're being told off
[02:25] <rww> that some people like overusing factoids way, way too much, and !anyone was one of their favorites, did not really help its case
[02:25] <elky> not even just "irc well" either. i am not going to expect everyone there to "english well" either
[02:27] <unfo> I hear. Well, you could have one factoid that teaches all the basics. Let me give you an example. !ask in Debian starts with:
[02:27] <unfo> > If you have a question, just ask!
[02:27] <unfo> > For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___."
[02:27] <unfo> > Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask.
[02:27] <unfo> > We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
[02:28] <unfo> It covers: 1) !anyone, 2) say both the expected output and the actual output, 3) what to do if you don't get an answer within minutes, 4) what to do if you don't get an answer within hours, and 5) other matters.
[02:38] <elky> unfo: unfortunately that completely confuses people, especially those whose grasp on english is less than fluent
[02:40] <unfo> elky:  point taken.
[02:40] <unfo> Thank you all!
[09:17] <SamuraiRm> posso avere la parola
[09:17] <ikonia> hello
[09:17] <ikonia> sorry, you won't be unbanned.
[09:19] <ikonia> SamuraiRm: do you understand you are not welcome in ubuntu channels due to your repeated behaviour ?
[09:20] <SamuraiRm> MA VAFFANCULO SCEMO
[09:20] <ikonia> that is why you are banned
[09:20] <k1l> i dont know much italian words, but i know that these words dont stick to the guidelines
[09:21] <SamuraiRm> FACK YOU MO UNDERSTAND?
[09:21] <ikonia> la lingua cattiva è parte della ragione sei bannato
[09:21] <SamuraiRm> MA FOTTITI
[09:21] <ikonia> you are not welcome in the ubuntu channels
[09:22] <SamuraiRm> MA STI CAZZI
[09:22] <ikonia> non siete i benvenuti nei canali di Ubuntu
[09:22] <SamuraiRm> NON SEI BENVENUTO SI DICE SCEMO
[09:22] <ikonia> Questa è l'ultima volta che questa informazione verrà spiegato a voi.
[09:22] <SamuraiRm> MA CHE CAZZO DICI  MA ARIVAFFANCULO
[11:51] <DJones> unopaste: has just gone crazy with mutes
[11:51] <bazhang_> yep
[11:52] <DJones> looks like confused with a netsplit
[16:15] <Pici> ubottu.com isn't resolving...
[16:16] <Pici> shaddup
[16:18] <Pici> tsimpson, not sure if you can help, but ubottu.com seems to be pointing nowhere ^^
[16:19] <tsimpson> Pici: I don't have a problem accessing it
[16:21] <k1l> working here
[16:21] <Pici> hmmm
[16:21] <k1l> took 5 seconds but worked
[16:27] <Pici> https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/ubottu.com
[16:27] <Pici> not resolving here
[16:55] <DJones> Working for me, but slow connecting
[23:03] <pmatulis> how do i find the list of operators for a channel?
[23:04] <pleia2> pmatulis: /msg chanserv access #channel list
[23:06] <pmatulis> pleia2: cheers