[00:13] <gamerchick02> hey hey. i bet everyone's at CHC
[00:13] <gamerchick02> went grocery shopping and now i'm beat
[00:17] <rick_h_> I'm the only one here :/
[00:17] <rick_h_> so coffee house coder
[00:28] <cmaloney> Party party.
[00:55] <gamerchick02> coffee house coder
[00:56] <gamerchick02> dang almost wish i drove down there but i'd battled at Meijer and came home victorious. wore me out though
[00:56] <rick_h_> well now there's 3 of us wheee
[00:56] <gamerchick02> wheee
[01:09] <cmaloney> Doing battle with Meijer is bad enough
[12:06] <wolfger> morning
[12:10] <rick_h_> party
[12:29] <brousch_> ug
[12:37] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:54] <greg-g> Just sent off Carrie and Rowan to Michigan for two weeks.
[15:55] <rick_h_> woot
[15:56] <rick_h_> time for a nap!
[15:57] <greg-g> :)
[15:57] <greg-g> it actually probably means: w00t, time for more work!
[15:57] <rick_h_> hah
[16:00] <cmaloney> w00000t
[16:03] <jrwren_> its true. without family around to distract me, I dont know what to do with myself other than work :)
[16:03] <jrwren_> well... maybe starcraft2
[16:04] <cmaloney> Take up knitting?
[16:04] <rick_h_> go to yosemite!
[16:04] <cmaloney> <3 Elite Keyboards
[16:04] <rick_h_> cmaloney: lol
[16:04] <cmaloney> they've fixed my keyboard.
[16:04] <cmaloney> Sending it back to me soon
[16:04] <rick_h_> oh nice
[16:05] <cmaloney> Yeah, nice to have a warranty
[16:06] <cmaloney> Makes me look longingly at some of their other keyboards on their site. :)
[16:06] <cmaloney> Not sure about the KUL
[16:07] <jrwren_> cmaloney: i've considered taking up knitting.
[16:07] <cmaloney> jrwren_: JoDee's done a little knitting. Seems rather relaxing
[16:07] <cmaloney> I'm waiting to get the downstairs in some semblance of order so I can do one of my long-neglected hobbies
[16:08] <cmaloney> bashing the shit out of drums.
[16:08] <cmaloney> Only issue with the KUL keyboard is they're all Ten Keyless
[16:09] <rick_h_> jcastro: almost man! "932 to silver"
[16:09] <rick_h_> jcastro: what wonderful awesome stuff does silver get me? I've forgotten since I've never gotten this close yet
[16:10] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I need to get you on my addictions.
[16:10] <rick_h_> cmaloney: hah, sorry. I've got more than my share already
[16:10] <cmaloney> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.starrealms.starrealmsapp&hl=en
[16:10] <jcastro> rick_h_, 100% bonus miles
[16:10] <cmaloney> It's JoDee approved.
[16:10] <rick_h_> jcastro: so if I get enough miles, I get more miles?
[16:10] <jcastro> oh sorry that's gold
[16:10] <jcastro> you have 25%
[16:10] <rick_h_> doh!
[16:11] <cmaloney> Hah, I thought that was part of that game you were playing last night.
[16:11] <jcastro> that means you get an extra 25% miles
[16:11] <cmaloney> <- idjit.
[16:11] <jcastro> normal miles you can spend on flights
[16:11] <rick_h_> jcastro: ah gotcha
[16:11] <jcastro> the big one is no charge to check a bag
[16:11] <jcastro> oh, and the fancy line at the airport
[16:12] <rick_h_> ooh, the fancy line
[16:12] <rick_h_> that reminds me, I need to file for that card for access to the lounges
[16:12] <rick_h_> 3yrs here and never gotten that thing
[16:12] <jcastro> that won't matter at DTW
[16:12] <cmaloney> The one where they don't make you wait for everyone else?
[16:12] <rick_h_> no?
[16:12] <jcastro> they don't accept priority pass, I actually gave mine up
[16:12] <rick_h_> boooo
[16:12] <jcastro> I'll be platinum by our next trip, I get like 4 free passes
[16:13] <rick_h_> wtf
[16:13] <jcastro> and I can bring up to 3 guests
[16:13] <rick_h_> I've flown my $$$ off this year and just barely scratching silver
[16:13] <rick_h_> you must never be home
[16:13] <jcastro> this is the most I've ever flown
[16:13] <cmaloney> I think he's been doing it longer
[16:13] <rick_h_> jcastro: you guys got the 4pm flight through AMS?
[16:13] <cmaloney> Do those miles expire?
[16:13] <rick_h_> cmaloney: it resets every year
[16:13] <jcastro> I am almost platinum and I have one european and like 4 domestic trips to go
[16:13] <cmaloney> really? Shit.
[16:13] <rick_h_> jcastro: damn man
[16:14] <jcastro> delta doesn't expire
[16:14] <jcastro> they roll over
[16:14] <rick_h_> do they carry you on the plane?
[16:14] <rick_h_> I got a reset I thought.
[16:14] <rick_h_> or maybe it was one of those 'program changes'
[16:14] <jcastro> it resets back to your last level
[16:14] <rick_h_> who the heck can keep track
[16:14] <jcastro> it doesn't matter, they are redoing the entire program next year
[16:14] <rick_h_> ah, yea I was a nobody and then was still a nobody
[16:14] <jcastro> so it'll be based on what you spend, not what you fly
[16:14] <cmaloney> Apparently some little algortihm that ticks those miles off. ;)
[16:15] <rick_h_> I just want to get up to first class sometime without spending $3k extra on a seat
[16:15] <jcastro> delta by far has the best program IMO, I get upgraded all the time for free
[16:15] <rick_h_> bad enough I've got to fork over for eco comfort every trip to not hate life
[16:15] <jcastro> I even got an international upgrade once
[16:15] <rick_h_> wtf
[16:15] <rick_h_> how does that work? I must not know how to play the game
[16:15] <cmaloney> jcastro: Heck, the amount of flying you do they probably have a seat reserved with your butt-groove in it.
[16:15] <jcastro> yeah, always fly delta, lol
[16:16] <rick_h_> I tried to upgrade once and they were like "you need to use 30k miles to get a class abc ticket and the $1500 to get to first class each way"
[16:16] <jcastro> how are you only silver?
[16:16] <rick_h_> yea, same here.
[16:16] <jcastro> we've been to capetown AND germany this year
[16:16] <jcastro> that alone is decent
[16:16] <rick_h_> cape town wasn't delta :(
[16:16] <jcastro> oh
[16:16] <jcastro> yeah, rule #1
[16:16] <jcastro> fly the same airline
[16:16] <rick_h_> couldn't get on that flight
[16:16] <rick_h_> all the rest have been
[16:16] <rick_h_> but yea, sent me and 5 of my family to SF but doesn't all count it seems
[16:17] <rick_h_> I got the purchase credits but not miles/etc
[16:17] <rick_h_> 6 freaking tickets
[16:17] <jcastro> yeah that is what they are changing
[16:17] <jcastro> based on what you spend, not what you fly
[16:17] <jcastro> which is either good for us, or horrible
[16:17] <rick_h_> heh, we'll see I guess
[16:17] <jcastro> even at silver I've gotten upgrades
[16:17] <jcastro> depends on the flight
[16:18] <rick_h_> anyway, excited to be < 1k from silver finally after 3yrs
[16:18] <jcastro> status in general sucks at DTW
[16:18] <jcastro> everyone has status
[16:18] <jcastro> so the priority lines are always worse than the normal ones
[16:18] <jcastro> I realize that makes no sense
[16:18] <rick_h_> lol
[16:19] <jcastro> when the line is bad they just open up the TSA Pre line anyway
[16:19] <rick_h_> jcastro: so you guys have the 4pm AMS flight out?
[16:19] <jcastro> so like, you can go through with shoes on and stuff
[16:19] <wolfger> jcastro: when do you go to the airport? That's not been my experience.
[16:19] <rick_h_> woot
[16:20] <jcastro> rick_h_, I am leaving 9:43pm on the saturday
[16:20] <jcastro> wait, wrong trip
[16:20] <rick_h_> jcastro: oh, ok cool
[16:20] <jcastro> sorry
[16:20] <rick_h_> jcastro: hah
[16:20] <wolfger> Priority is always better. Pre-check is where it's really at, but... That just feels like extortion to me. I refuse to pay for decent service.
[16:20] <jcastro> rick_h_, yeah, 4:23pm
[16:20] <rick_h_> jcastro: ok cool
[16:20] <rick_h_> finally got my stuff in order to getting ready to setup flights
[16:21] <jcastro> I don't pay for pre, I'm not going to pay for what used to be free
[16:22] <jcastro> especially since they keep opening that line for people anyway
[16:22] <jcastro> I can see paying for global entry though, customs sucks, and that's for the life of the passport
[16:22] <jcastro> I'll probably do that at some point
[16:22] <rick_h_> yea, I want to do that one
[16:22] <rick_h_> and you get pre check for free as part of global passport
[16:22] <rick_h_> so that's my new target
[16:23] <jcastro> if you get platinum delta will give you a voucher too
[16:23] <jrwren_> i have no idea what you guys are talking about :)
[16:23] <rick_h_> jrwren_: hah
[16:23] <jcastro> I'll explain it on the plane, heh
[16:23] <rick_h_> jcastro: gives everyone a travel lesson
[16:23] <jcastro> rick_h_, the best part is, delta will rollover your status
[16:23] <rick_h_> I'll give a gear and methods talk
[16:24] <rick_h_> it'll be a mini-conf
[16:24] <jcastro> so when I hit platinum this year, all next year I stay platinum, even if I don't fly
[16:24] <rick_h_> my wife loves smoser's little gel bottles now
[16:24] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, that's cool
[16:24] <jcastro> I got my crossover rewards with SPG too, so platinum on there
[16:24] <jcastro> I've got it all figured out.
[16:24] <rick_h_> lol
[16:25] <jcastro> as long as I fly delta and stay at SPG I am a king, any place else, worthless.
[16:26] <wolfger> and that's how loyalty programs work, folks. :-)
[16:27] <smoser> wolfger, they work even better now.
[16:27] <smoser> when you have a minimum *spend* to keep airline status
[16:27] <wolfger> ugh
[16:27] <smoser> so you're motivated to have your employer buy you more expensive tickets
[16:27] <smoser> rather than buy the cheap ones
[16:27] <wolfger> I can't believe I don't have good status on Delta yet. I flew a lot of miles this year. :-p
[16:28] <smoser> you're prbably a cheap skate, and buy cheap tickets!
[16:28] <smoser> they've explicitly targetted such people :)
[16:28] <wolfger> Yeah, well, I buy the best my company will pay for.
[16:29] <wolfger> Which just tells me Delta doesn't care about business travelers.
[16:29] <jcastro> they care about the ones who spend more
[16:29] <jrwren_> I don't think I want to know. I don't want to travel :)
[16:29] <wolfger> businesses spend as little as possible, most of the time
[16:29] <jcastro> 58k miles this year for me
[16:29] <rick_h_> travel is fun once you let go and go with the flow
[16:30] <jcastro> hah man, I've flow 244,508 total miles on delta
[16:30] <rick_h_> wheee
[16:30] <rick_h_> how many times around the world is that :P
[16:30] <jcastro> I am 25% of the way to being in that george clooney movie
[16:31] <jrwren_> Up in the Air
[16:31] <jrwren_> cute movie.
[16:33] <wolfger> I am not even sure which of these numbers is my miles flown :-p
[16:34] <wolfger> I've got a balance and an available miles, and an MQM whatever that is.... all different numbers
[16:37] <wolfger> geez, they've even changed the SkyMiles marketplace. I can't buy anything with miles until I hit gold, or get the Delta credit card.
[16:39] <smoser> wolfger, well, even more. they care about people who buy expensive coach tickets too.
[16:39] <smoser> ie, buy your ticket 2 months ohead of time, its cheap.  buy it 3 days ahead, its expensive.  your sky miles is better off by the 3 days ahead of time ticket.
[16:40] <smoser> giving you sick motivation to screw your employer.
[16:44] <rick_h_> wooot! down with the man!
[16:44] <rick_h_> oh wait...he writes me paychecks. Carry one
[16:44] <greg-g> welcome to the world of capitalism/profit maximization/zero sum mentality ;)
[16:53] <wolfger> yay
[17:01] <brousch_> Why do you get the miles when your employer pays for them?
[17:01] <jrwren_> benefit!
[17:08] <rick_h_> because it's return on losing two weekends while they give me back one :P
[17:10] <brousch_> They don't give you a weekend back, they give you cheap travel
[17:11] <rick_h_> wheee
[17:11] <brousch_> Trade flight miles for time off?
[17:11] <rick_h_> it's how I make it up to my wife
[17:11] <rick_h_> once a year I send my wife to a 'medical conference' aka dr vacation on my lost weekends
[17:16] <jrwren_> ha! good call.
[17:41] <cmaloney> Yay, my work is supporting Wikimedia next week. :)
[17:42] <greg-g> ?
[17:45] <brousch_> Next keyboard http://goo.gl/ySwjZ5
[17:46] <jrwren_> now I'm hungry for fried chicken
[17:56] <cmaloney> greg-g: We do a charity jeans day at work
[17:57] <cmaloney> and I suggested Wikimedia Foundation as one of our charities.
[17:58] <greg-g> neat-o
[17:59] <brousch_> How does that work? The company pays the charity for you to not wear jeans?
[18:00] <cmaloney> No, we pay money that goes to charity so we can wear jeans on a non-casual Friday.
[18:00] <cmaloney> on a particular day.
[18:01] <brousch_> So the company doesn't actually contribute anything except letting you wear jeans?
[18:02] <greg-g> welcome to capitalism ;)
[18:02] <cmaloney> I think they do some matching or something else along that line
[18:04] <wolfger> bribe us to relax the dress code, and then we'll donate that money to charity and reap the tax breaks.
[18:04] <brousch_> That would be nice
[18:05] <cmaloney> I went to Catholic school for four years where jeans were verboten. I'm conditioned to do almost anything to wear jeans.
[18:06]  * brousch_ makes note of that
[18:07] <brousch_> You went to Catholic school and Hope?
[18:07] <cmaloney> brousch_: Has to be in a situation where I can't otherwise wear jeans.
[18:07] <cmaloney> brousch_: Yep, and St. Paul Lutheran School.
[18:07] <brousch_> geez
[18:08] <greg-g> hence all the metal music
[18:08] <cmaloney> I've got the guilt, grace, and predestination thing down. :)
[18:08] <brousch_> cmaloney: You waited so long to take a turn in Go that I forgot my strategy
[18:09] <cmaloney> That's part of my new strategy
[18:10] <brousch_> OK, I think I found it
[18:17] <wolfger> Heh
[20:55] <rick_h_> jcastro: jrwren_ what seats are you guys on the flight out?
[20:55] <rick_h_> I need to move out of this stupid window seat she put me in
[20:56] <jrwren_> row 51 :(
[20:56] <jrwren_> seat d
[20:56] <jcastro> 36D
[20:56] <jcastro> but I can move
[20:56] <rick_h_> jcastro: all good, I'll hopefully get up to eco comfort, but no isle seats open yet
[20:56] <rick_h_> they tend to open up close to the flight I think
[20:56] <jcastro> yeah
[20:57] <jcastro> can you do 36F?
[20:57] <rick_h_> I'll move to 52 and poke jrwren_  in the head
[20:57] <jcastro> aisle on my row
[20:57] <rick_h_> 36E
[20:57] <jrwren_> oh no!
[20:57] <rick_h_> is the only open one
[20:57] <jrwren_> how do you change seats? :)
[20:57] <rick_h_> jrwren_: I log into delta and change my stuff around
[20:57] <jcastro> rick_h_, which one on 52? I'll take the other one
[20:58] <rick_h_> jcastro: taking 52F atm and DE are also both open
[20:58] <rick_h_> we can stick jrwren_  in the middle and squeeze him all the way to AMS :P
[20:58] <jcastro> ok I snagged 52D
[20:58] <rick_h_> oh man there is no eco comfort on that flight out wtf
[20:59] <rick_h_> I see it coming back
[20:59] <jcastro> they probably just don't show it
[20:59] <jcastro> what are you grabbing on the way back?
[20:59] <rick_h_> I'm staying late, don't head back until the 16th
[20:59] <jcastro> ack
[20:59] <rick_h_> heading through ATL on that one :/
[21:00] <brousch_> You prefer aisle to window?
[21:00] <rick_h_> each seat was window seat, I think she read my seat prefernce backwards
[21:00] <jrwren_> I have to figure this out latter...gotta go with teh kiddo.
[21:01] <rick_h_> brousch_: yes, when you're on a 10hr plane, it's nice to get up whever the $@#$#@ you feel like
[21:01] <rick_h_> vs waiting for sleeping folks to wake up
[21:01] <rick_h_> jrwren_: have fun
[21:01] <brousch_> I love window. You're flying through the air at 400MPH. Watch the wonder!
[21:01] <rick_h_> brousch_: plus I can get up and get stuff in/out of my backpack durnig the trip. I get on the plane with at least 3 bottles of water/drinks and snacks
[21:01] <rick_h_> brousch_: psh, I'm trying to not piss my pants for a full workday :P
[21:02] <brousch_> Bah, give them the ass as you squeeze out
[22:02] <greg-g> benefit of working from home and not being afraid of someone coming into the room asking for something: RATM playing on the good headphones at unprofessional levels with occasional air drumming
[22:03] <jrwren_> still no idea how those guys picked their seats. I have my delta login, but no confirmation number or ticket number.
[22:05] <rick_h_> jrwren_: you should in your itenerary from the travel agent
[22:05] <rick_h_> jrwren_: but honestly, it's auto tied to my delta american express
[22:05] <rick_h_> jrwren_: so I just login to my CC and see it there tied to my frequent flier number
[22:05] <greg-g> what trip are ya'll talking about?
[22:06] <jrwren_> I'm too dumb to figure out how to get it from my itenerary to my delta acct.
[22:06] <rick_h_> greg-g: next sprint, now that jrwren_ and aisrael are on board we've got a big group heading from detroit
[22:06] <jrwren_> dinner time!
[22:07] <rick_h_> jrwren_: hmm, do you have a FF Number or anything at the end ot the two flights in the confirmation pdf?
[22:07] <jrwren_> too bad we didn't include mramm on that email :(
[22:07] <rick_h_> heh, he's probably already there/etc
[22:07] <jrwren_> rick_h_: nothing.
[22:07] <rick_h_> he travels more than jcastro does
[22:07] <rick_h_> jrwren_: hmm, maybe that 'travel record xxxxx' at the top would work?
[22:08] <rick_h_> jrwren_: yea, that worked for me
[22:08] <jrwren_> yup, that was it.
[22:08] <jrwren_> wow. unintuitive.
[22:08] <jrwren_> about what I expect from an airline.
[22:08] <jrwren_> thanks rick_h_ !
[22:08] <rick_h_> https://www.delta.com/ go to "My trips/manage an existing trip" and then enter names/number
[22:08] <jrwren_> now I can go eat dinner.
[22:08] <rick_h_> jrwren_: :)
[22:08] <rick_h_> enjoy
[22:08] <greg-g> oh man right, I forgot jrwren_ was with canonical now!
[22:09]  * jrwren_ moves seat away from those guys :p
[22:09] <rick_h_> yea, ramm, jcastro, smoser, me, and jrwren_ along with adam all now representing
[22:09] <rick_h_> soon we'll rival TX for most folks
[22:09] <greg-g> crazy
[22:09] <rick_h_> greg-g: you ever get some good info on your estimating velocity question stuff a while back?
[22:10] <jcastro> I estimate my velocity at 0
[22:10] <rick_h_> lol
[22:10] <rick_h_> only uphill from here!
[22:10] <smoser> adam ?
[22:10] <rick_h_> hey, I landed a branch of code today
[22:10] <smoser> whos adam
[22:10] <rick_h_> first one in a month or more but there you have it
[22:11] <rick_h_> smoser: the new eco guy, adam israel or whatever, not in channel atm
[22:11] <rick_h_> but comes and goes
[22:11] <rick_h_> this channel at least
[22:11] <smoser> cool
[22:11] <rick_h_> he's actually across the ambassador bridge I guess
[22:11] <rick_h_> but flying out of dtw we'll count him to take on those texans
[22:13] <greg-g> rick_h_: not entirely, no. Got a couple good book recommendations from matt zimmerman, of course :)
[22:13]  * greg-g loves that guy
[22:13] <rick_h_> very cool
[22:38] <aisrael> smoser: I'm adam!
[23:14] <cmaloney> jcastro: http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/metallica-is-officially-in-the-guinness-book-of-world-records
[23:18] <cmaloney> Man, so many good bands calling it a day
[23:18] <cmaloney> Shadows Fall, Chimaira
[23:18] <brousch_> As the band that went most downhill after they stopped taking drugs?
[23:19] <cmaloney> Which one?
[23:19] <cmaloney> Metallica?
[23:19] <greg-g> isn't that a true statement for all bands?
[23:19] <cmaloney> got to give them props: they're still touring
[23:20] <cmaloney> greg-g: I'd argue Skinny Puppy bucked that trend
[23:22] <cmaloney> but yeah, number of bands had problems after stopping the drugs / alcohol
[23:22] <cmaloney> Though I did like Permanent Vacation by Aerosmith
[23:22] <greg-g> <insert quote from Bill Hicks here>
[23:54] <greg-g> So Carrie and Rowan had to land in Flint since DTW was closed?
[23:54] <greg-g> wtf
[23:55] <aisrael> thunderstorms, maybe?
[23:55] <aisrael> One of the last times I was at DTW, there was a tornado that forced us to evac
[23:56] <greg-g> eek