[00:01] So, the saucy docs branch seems to still be getting translations... [00:06] dbl_click_time seems unused [00:08] it isn't in here http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/tree/defaults/defaults [00:17] xfce bug 6334 [00:17] xfce bug 6334 in General "[xfce]Double click title bar actions use different speed than text selection" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 [00:19] http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/commit/?id=7d94a9c54ec7cf17b063484846250c7a97866853 [00:19] also http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/log/?qt=grep&q=6334 [00:20] bluesabre: ^ [00:20] "dbl_click_time" no longer appears in xfwm4 source [00:21] it's coming from the xubuntu defaults [00:23] got it, thanks ali1234... I'll drop that key from our settings [05:24] knome: Should I renew for xubuntu-docs? === ochosi_ is now known as ochosi [06:26] another day another breakage - lightdm this time [06:46] Uh oh, better not restart then. :/ [06:49] - Rework logind code that gets session ID. The previous method was racy [06:49] and a change in lightdm 1.11.7 led to a lockup when this race occurred. [06:49] (LP: #1364725) [06:49] Launchpad bug 1364725 in lightdm (Ubuntu Trusty) "logind session ID not used due to race condition" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1364725 [06:53] elfy: Better now? [06:53] ochosi bluesabre - you been fiddling with desktop settings again? [06:53] "Reduce number of workspaces to 1"? [06:54] one workspace and try setting seperate wallpaper when you've got desktops back to a sane default [06:54] making sure that you set it so you want different wallpaper - and then try and move the dialogue to the next desktop [06:55] Bleh, the "wrap desktops" thing, that one hit me (other one didn't, alerady had messed with the number.) [06:55] * Unit193 goes to fix. [06:56] Hrm. [06:57] so if you're going to set desktops to 1 - something needs to be done so people can easily reset that and the wrap so other things work as expected [06:58] Yep, found it. [06:58] if random decisions are just going to be made in here by two people then I'm in the wrong place [06:59] Mmm, it is getting tedious. [06:59] well I've certainly had enough of it all [07:01] feels like it's 'have some discussions in *other* channel' have a quick chat in here and jfdi [07:03] Unit193: and no - not better - in the other install - everything but lightdm updated and nvidia reinstalled now it's got a working kernel/nvidia pair :) [07:03] Hrm, OK. I just got a lightdm update that looked like it might do it. [07:04] wasn't a replacement from main server 10 minutes ago [07:04] I wasn't on .8 yet, am now. [07:04] I was - I'm on .7 in this install ;) [07:05] So back to "don't reboot", got it. [07:05] yep [07:06] you *can* get in via tty1 and startx - but it's all wrong, get blue window title bars for a start [07:06] Right, you need to set a few vars to get it right. [07:06] or expect upgrades not to break things :p [07:06] http://paste.openstack.org/show/ecrRO2Xm5SdFUjnlkaeN/ is what I had from so long ago. [07:07] thanks Unit193 [07:08] No idea if it still works, but that's my .xinitrc [07:08] :) [07:11] booting the broken one again to report bug [07:11] Ah, typo there, DEFAULTS_PATH [07:11] back in a few [07:27] that made no difference Unit193 - reported for better or worse bug 1365336 [07:27] bug 1365336 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Lightdm update=No desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365336 [08:13] elfy: monring [08:13] morning [08:14] there was a discussion about it, and i didn't feel that changing these settings warranted a big discussion as it is a consequence of earlier decisions (namely removing workspace-switcher from the panel, disabling scrolling on desktop to switch workspaces) [08:14] also, there was no discussion about it on any other channel [08:14] and it wasn't just two people [08:14] just to correct you there :) [08:15] if you disagree with the decision, let's discuss it. rants really don't help anyone [08:17] the decision to change things have ramifications - changing default wrap - makes the change to wallpaper pointless [08:22] change to wallpaper? [08:23] the desktop settings - set wallpaper different on workspaces - try moving the dialogue now - when you've added a desktop [08:23] elfy: ^ [08:23] ah [08:23] is there a bug or are you just pointing out that you can't set different wallpapers for workspaces with only one workspace? [08:24] any idea about how many people actually only use 1 desktop? [08:24] no, but we didn't base the decision on quantitative analysis [08:24] ochosi: the first thing I did was set to 2 desktops [08:25] then as I got hit by a lightdm bug - I booted the other one - managed to add nvidia - now that bug is fixed - then I found you're removed wrap when I tried to move the dialogue to set wallpapers [08:26] right [08:27] so we say Move this dialogue - but it's impossible to do without resetting a bunch of things [08:27] in that case that's a clear bug in xfdesktop, it shouldn't show that infobar if workspaces=1 [08:27] or workspaces shouldn't =1 [08:28] no, that's not really the point [08:28] it is for me [08:28] what you're describing is a misleading infobar [08:28] which can easily be hidden === paolo_ is now known as paolo [08:34] sry, gotta go, bbl [08:38] bluesabre, Does the 4.12 ppa still need the 4.10 one? ANd should the description still be "these are pre-release versions, which may contain annoying bugs and/or crash. Use them at your own risk.", since all the packages i pushed are in the official archives [08:42] And we use "staging" for the stuff that is not recommended for normal use [08:54] ochosi: bug 1365382 and xfce 11134 [08:54] bug 1365382 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "Infobar in desktop settings alludes to impossible scenario" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365382 [08:55] xfce bug 11134 in General "Desktop Settings Infobar gives move option when unavailable" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11134 [08:58] interesting that no one has noticed (and reported) this before [08:58] btw we've lost a customer [08:58] read https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1271169/comments/4 [08:58] Launchpad bug 1271169 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) " Let Xubuntu users disable/enable hibernation from Xfce Power Manager" [Wishlist,Invalid] [09:25] gnome-session-fallback doesn't have 5 years of support [09:25] lol [09:25] some people... [09:25] he closed his report at least :) [09:26] yeah he loves closing bugs, i think that's all he does [09:43] Unit193: you have doubts?! Of course you must renew (not should)!!! [09:46] Unit193, knome, since Saucy is EOL, can't we just close the lp:xubuntu-docs/saucy branch? [10:10] elfy: got it, re-enable workspace drag. As I said before, I want to discuss all the default settings with everyone. Created this pad, where we can have a quick overview: http://pad.ubuntu.com/diA31J1P9e [10:10] if anybody has any questions, or wants to change or revert, please, let's discuss [10:11] bluesabre, That's all the xfce stuff done for trusty backport ppa (and your packages) [10:11] working on a larger google doc that shows xfce, 14.04, and 14.10 defaults: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kU58YbatuIjM9OF7DDjajw-QzTVNBDIoKg9ZiV2cPDE/edit?usp=sharing [10:12] Noskcaj: thanks, I moved several xfce packages to the 4.12 ppa [10:12] I'll update the description like you indicatored [10:12] cool [10:12] *indicated [10:13] SHould i also prep our non-xfce stuff? e.g. gnome-mines, abiword, etc. [10:14] g'night [10:14] knome, there's a typo in one of the strings we wrote for including the pkexec policy files in favor of gksu in the documentation [10:15] knome: the string in question is "Please note that for an application to run successfully with pkexec, it will need to ship a pkexec policy file. All default applications in Xubuntu that might need to be ran with adminstrative rights come with pkexec policy files." [10:16] it has to be 'administrative' not adminstrative [10:17] since now I'm not able to push it, I'll do it tonight at home, if you haven't done it yet [10:23] elfy: Re-enabled wrap workspaces on window drag, changes committed to bzr, not yet uploaded to ubuntu [10:23] let me know if we need to change something else [10:23] hey bluesabre [10:23] and please, add comments to the pad if you disagree with any setting [10:24] hey ochosi [10:26] fwiw, wrapping workspaces also breaks the tiling feature of xfwm4 for left/right [10:27] yeah, but that doesn't matter if only one workspace is used [10:27] haven't tested that yet [10:27] that's the setting I usually have, 1 workspace, fun with tiling [10:27] bluesabre: Exactly, it's just annoying to people adding more. [10:28] bluesabre: it does break it here for me [10:28] Unit193: right, so fixed in the next release [10:28] Yep, so I saw. [10:28] ah wait [10:28] it doesn't :) [10:28] Unit193: any comment on the defaults? [10:29] bluesabre: do you still have that bug with the greeter staying black after a while? [10:29] ochosi: haven't tested lately [10:29] been busy with other things [10:31] bluesabre: 1. Only I still disagree with xfwm workspace = 1. 2. There's also the scroll on titlebar change to add, no? 3. The xfce4-panel isn't complete is it? Doesn't have where the indicators fit for example. Rest of the stuff on there I'm generally indifferent to. [10:32] I personally use: separator (expands), xfpm, indicator, systray [10:32] scroll on titlebar was added for 14.04 [10:32] I see. [10:32] but I'll put that in there [10:32] Eh, it's not a utopic change, couldn't remember for sure when it was. [10:33] good catch on the indicators [10:36] for the number of workspaces, I'd be fine with restoring as well if most of the team thinks it would be best to leave as is... I want to have settings we all agree on [10:37] Well, we won't have that part for sure, but still. :P [10:38] i'm really a fan of trying new settings in 14.10 [10:38] gathering feedback and then re-evaluating them for 15.04 [10:38] i think the lts+1 release is ideal for that [10:39] (less people think about upgrading immediately) [10:39] slickymasterWork, re: saucy branch, yes [10:40] morning knome [10:40] yeah, it would be the sane thing to do [10:40] who does it? [10:41] i can do that if i still have the access for that [10:41] and remember how it's done... [10:42] ok, did you saw what I said re our changes to the pkexec strings in the -docs? [10:42] done. [10:42] lol [10:42] i did [10:42] won't be around for most of the day again today [10:42] so... [10:42] thanks for that knome [10:43] i guess i could fix the string soon as well [10:43] which file was it? [10:43] I can do it tonight if you're swapped with your real 'work' [10:43] i am, but... that happens, and clients can wait! ;) [10:43] !team | please see the xubuntu-default-settings etherpad and discuss settings... what's missing, what you think should change: http://pad.ubuntu.com/diA31J1P9e [10:43] don't remember it now [10:44] (that never works for me) [10:44] ok, i'll grep for it [10:44] bluesabre, :D [10:44] is not that urgent that it can't wait a few hours and I'll do it tonight [10:44] !team | ^ [10:44] ^: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [10:45] bluesabre, weird. [10:45] the bot doesn't likes bluesabre [10:45] the bot only listens to knome D: [10:45] ;) [10:45] heh [10:45] maybe it's set to ignore him :P [10:45] makes sense [10:45] i don't know... it shouldn't really [10:45] sometimes people set ignores on trolls [10:46] :'( [10:46] maybe one of those is too broad [10:46] asking for other factoids work? [10:46] !fi | knome [10:46] knome: Tämä kanava on tarkoitettu vain englanninkieliselle keskustelulle. Jos haluat suomenkielistä apua (K)ubuntun ongelmiin, liity kanavalle #ubuntu-fi / #kubuntu-fi :-) [10:46] yep, weird [10:46] ah ah ah [10:46] bluesabre, what if you ask for the same factoid again? [10:47] that's why, the bot only understands finnish [10:47] I don't see bluesabre!~bluesabre@ubuntu/member/bluesabre matching any. [10:47] !team | sorry the the unnecessary ping (please see the more important ones above) [10:47] sorry the the unnecessary ping (please see the more important ones above): bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [10:47] * knome shrugs [10:47] who knows [10:47] maybe the bot doesn't want you to call the same factoid twice in a row [10:48] hey Unit193. Did you saw my answer to the question you made to knome re your renewal? [10:48] bluesabre: about the greeter bug, i've never been able to reproduce, just remembered that you had that issue at some point [10:48] anyhoo, np [10:48] slickymasterWork: Yeppers. [10:48] huh.. i have some weird docs branch [10:48] I'll send out a call for package translations today [10:49] weird how knome? [10:49] has some hardcoded paths [10:49] (and include a note to remember the docs translations) [10:49] bluesabre, cheers ;) [10:49] bluesabre: finishing menulibre and heading on to mugshot [10:49] eh eh bluesabre, thanks [10:49] knome: bzr status / log? [10:50] slickymasterWork: thanks [10:50] Unit193, gone already, diff didn't show anything to keep [10:50] bzr is acting up [10:51] Always is, what's up this time? [10:51] typo fix with updated pot pushed [10:51] great knome, thanks [10:52] that string is the only one missing in my translation [10:52] heh [10:52] good for the portugues [10:52] the finnish guys are loosing the race :P [10:52] Already missed today's 6am cutoff. [10:52] +e [10:52] Unit193, "aww" :P [10:53] slickymasterWork, hah, as if it mattered as long as all the strings were there on release;) [10:53] knome: don't forget menulibre and mugshot [10:53] Oooh! It's 7am, still a couple minutes! :P [10:53] yeah, just messing with you [10:53] slickymasterWork, yep. [10:55] Unit193: in six months time the answer to the renewal question will be the same :P [10:56] Meh, could change, I don't do a a ton with them as-is. [10:57] you're work is need, and awesome, behind the spotlights [10:57] s/you're/your [10:57] s/need/needed [10:58] * slickymasterWork wonders off to smoke a cigarette [11:10] bluesabre: thanks - looked at pad also, looks sane enough [11:11] elfy: if you have any changes, let me know [11:11] not trying to pull anything over anybody's eyes, I like to work in the open and well before freezes [11:12] slickymasterWork, you are right... nothing quite gives me the same warm, happy feeling than Unit193 contributing to xubuntu... [11:12] :) you and me alike knome [11:12] slickymasterWork, knome: me too [11:12] I feel all fuzzy now [11:12] * slickymasterWork considers him a must have [11:12] I sware knome is on something. [11:13] i'm always on something [11:13] bluesabre: the wrap one was the issue for me - adding a workspace is easy - but with wrap gone I had to report 2 bugs ;) [11:13] elfy: gotcha [11:13] alrighty, I'll be out for a while now, bbl [11:13] have a good day :) [11:13] you too [11:13] yep, good day to bluesabre [11:14] * elfy is now on 3 and a half day weekend [11:14] damn elfy, how I envy you :P [11:14] ttyl bluesabre [11:15] slickymasterWork: until payday ;) [11:15] considering taking tomorrow off as well, but unlikely to happen [11:15] well, if you knew the payday amounts these days over here elfy [12:08] image is broken with this lightdm bug - if that's what it is [12:09] didn't add any new settings changes yesterday, so not my fault [12:09] lol [12:09] got the same issue in my other install atm [12:11] Carp, don't reboot or update the other 'un. [12:12] it's this one that works [12:12] the other better one is unfortunately updated [12:13] We're not the only ones in here using utopic right? [12:13] don't thinks so [12:25] team factoid updated. [12:25] thanks knome [12:27] np === lderan_ is now known as lderan === halfie_ is now known as halfie === halfie is now known as 1JTAABIAE [14:40] bluesabre, I believe there's a typo in one of the Mugshot's strings in https://translations.launchpad.net/mugshot/trunk [14:40] in the string: "This stable release fixed a crash that occured when saving user details in a non-English locale. This release also included an updated translation template and new translations." [14:40] shouldn't it be 'occurred' instead of 'occured'? [14:50] ochosi bluesabre - found another oddity it seems - window manager theme is set to default - which is blue, thought it was supposed to be greybird [14:51] oh nvm [14:52] using startx it appears it starts the xfce session instead of xubuntu [14:53] brb === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [17:32] slickymaster: please keep the guidelines for xfce docs in mind when taking screenshots (theme+icons) [17:32] remember when we worked on xfdesktop [17:35] evening ochosi [17:52] Noskcaj: MRE for xfdesktop4 should be doable or? http://lpaste.net/110504 [17:54] if no, maybe we should just cherry pick one or more patches [18:12] pleia2: how's the xfce bounty marketing thingy coming along? [18:13] * elfy hasn't had time to look at his action from last meeting yet ochosi [18:14] oh, I should do that [18:15] thanks pleia2 - I'll change the logs :D [18:15] ochosi: I'll make some plans tonight and let you know if I have questions [18:15] pleia2: thanks, that's great! [18:16] elfy: would be great if you could look into it until the meeting, otherwise we'll just carry it forward till the next meeting [18:19] if I can I will [18:19] bbl [19:02] Unit193: had to create a .rules file to get lightdm to work [19:03] http://pastebin.com/BL3ADDMG if you're interested [19:35] "Simply logging off provokes the back screen symptom (!)" [19:35] this sounds familiar [20:07] brainwash, yeah, we can. Could you file it? [20:08] Noskcaj: maybe [20:08] what about the regression potential? [20:08] we got a lp report [20:15] it's a bit confusing.. elfy confirmed that a patch has fixed the desktop freezing bug, but other users continued to experience it, so the patch was removed upstream (before 4.11.7) [20:16] Noskcaj: did your first mre request have any success? [20:17] the panel plugin one [20:17] brainwash, It's been ignored [20:17] ouch :( [20:18] bluesabre, Could you look at bug 1339911 [20:18] bug 1339911 in xfce4-clipman-plugin (Ubuntu) "[MRE] Please update xfce4-clipman-plugin to 1.2.6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1339911 [22:58] xubutrello: card 85 link [22:58] I'd hope this late it won't land, and nothing really has hit the tracking bug #1358209. [22:58] https://trello.com/c/lgQiG8tA/85-update-the-docs-networking-section-for-the-new-networkmanager [22:58] bug 1358209 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Please update Network Manager version to 0.9.10.0 or 0.9.8.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1358209 [22:59] Bug #1351977 [22:59] bug 1351977 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "New upstream release 0.9.10.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351977 [23:11] Unit193: are there grave differences? [23:11] * ochosi hadn't even noticed there was a new release [23:12] IIRC, nm-tool no longer exists, which we talk about in the doc. nmcli is the newer, cooler one (TUI, ncurses). [23:19] Unit193: ah right, maybe we have in fact talked about it [23:19] ochosi: We have.