| === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk | ||
| === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha | ||
| RAOF | Bah. | 01:55 |
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| RAOF | logind!!!! | 01:56 |
| detly | I've just added the Gnome 3 staging PPA so I can try out 3.12. I found that it mostly worked fine, but gnome-control-center and gnome-settings-daemon can't be upgraded without removing unity altogether, which means keybindings and some other things don't work. Is that a known issue? Is there some other PPA I need to add? Or should I just be patient? | 04:18 |
| pitti | Good morning | 04:36 |
| sarnold | hey pitti :) | 04:37 |
| pitti | hey sarnold, how are you? | 04:37 |
| sarnold | pitti: pretty good, a few hours off for dinner and taking the dog for a walk helps :) | 04:38 |
| sarnold | pitti: how're you? | 04:38 |
| pitti | sarnold: still a bit tired, but quite fine otherwise | 05:00 |
| pitti | (sorry, missed your reply, deep in mutt..) | 05:01 |
| sarnold | hehe, mutt'll do that :) | 05:01 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:39 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks | 05:59 |
| didrocks | good morning pitti! | 05:59 |
| larsu | good morning! | 07:05 |
| didrocks | good morning larsu | 07:06 |
| willcooke | morning | 07:24 |
| larsu | hi willcooke | 07:27 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 07:28 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:39 |
| willcooke | morning seb128 | 07:39 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke larsu didrocks | 07:39 |
| pitti | hey seb128 | 07:47 |
| pitti | morning willcooke and larsu, too! | 07:47 |
| seb128 | lut pitti, wie gehts? | 07:47 |
| willcooke | hey pitti | 07:48 |
| pitti | seb128: gut, danke! ich hacke wieder an autopkgtest :) | 07:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, schön ;-) | 07:49 |
| larsu | seb128: ooh, umlaut. 10 German spelling points for you ;) | 07:52 |
| seb128 | larsu, :-) | 07:52 |
| didrocks | larsu: you do use ¨ as umlaut btw, there is no special character? (as umlaut, IIRC, are more lines than dots) | 07:53 |
| pitti | didrocks: how do you mean "more lines" | 07:56 |
| larsu | didrocks: no, they're dots | 07:56 |
| didrocks | pitti: larsu: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umlaut#mediaviewer/File:U_umlaut_en_Suetterlinschrift.png | 07:56 |
| didrocks | they are more like 2 vertical lines here than dots, for instance | 07:56 |
| pitti | didrocks: it's exactly like the trema in other languages (like French), except that it's not being used as a trema (German abolished the trema looong ago), but as changing the pronounciation of a vowel to an umlaut | 07:56 |
| pitti | didrocks: ah well, that's Suetterlin .. i. e. the written German which was pretty much abolished in the mid-20st century | 07:57 |
| larsu | didrocks: ah, sometimes people use lines when writing (but it's fairly uncommon these days) | 07:57 |
| pitti | didrocks: but even modern pupils write the "dots" something more akin to " | 07:57 |
| larsu | I don't think I've ever seen a typeface with lines instead of dots | 07:58 |
| didrocks | larsu: pitti: ok, I learnt it that way actually, hence my question :) | 07:58 |
| pitti | didrocks: wow, you learned Suetterlin? Or just writing the umlauts that way? | 07:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: just writing the umlauts that way | 07:58 |
| pitti | didrocks: yeah, in handwriting it's all very sloppy anyway, some people even just write a short horizontal bar, or " | 07:58 |
| seb128 | it's easier to draw a small line with a pen than to do a dot | 07:59 |
| pitti | yeah, dots with a clasic feather were a bit awkward | 07:59 |
| didrocks | ok, but for non handwriting is always using dots, got it, thanks! | 07:59 |
| larsu | pitti says that like he's 200 years old and used to write with a feather regularly | 07:59 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:00 |
| didrocks | ahah :) | 08:00 |
| pitti | larsu: well, at least I'm onld enough to have tried :) | 08:00 |
| pitti | <rusty voice> back in my time, buddy, we wrote 6510 assembler! | 08:00 |
| * pitti pats his trusty old C64 | 08:00 | |
| pitti | that was almost like writing with a feather that leaked all the time :) | 08:01 |
| * pitti aime les vendredis | 08:01 | |
| larsu | HAHA | 08:02 |
| * larsu brings pitti a blanket, a hot water bottle, and a cup of tea | 08:03 | |
| seb128 | oh, pitti is going to tell us nice stories from old time? | 08:03 |
| * seb128 seats quietly and listen | 08:03 | |
| seb128 | sits even | 08:04 |
| pitti | nah, I never do that :) | 08:04 |
| pitti | or if I do, next time I want to sit in a restaurant with you with a beer in my hand! | 08:04 |
| seb128 | :-) | 08:04 |
| pitti | dear BTS, please send me my flights already | 08:04 |
| larsu | ;) | 08:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, when do you fly back? | 08:04 |
| pitti | seb128: I was going to take the Friday 22:00 one | 08:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, not fancying taking an extra day and staying until monday? it's likely some of us are going to do that | 08:05 |
| pitti | seb128: until Monday? that's three extra days then | 08:05 |
| pitti | seb128: but yeah, I can consider that as well | 08:05 |
| pitti | but I'd go back on Sunday afternoon/evening then | 08:06 |
| detly | pitti: you really have an old C64? | 08:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, well, that's one day off | 08:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, vac days speaking | 08:06 |
| pitti | seb128: Sat and Sun? (with the Sat 22:00 flight) | 08:06 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, that way | 08:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, Sun 22 you mean? | 08:06 |
| * larsu would like to stay around after as well | 08:07 | |
| pitti | detly: yeah, my first own computer, got it in 1991; before that I went to the university once a week to learn BASIC on these dreaded GDR clones of the old PCs | 08:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, well, I'm probably going to fly back on monday evening, 1.5 days seems a bit short to visit | 08:07 |
| pitti | seb128: err, yes | 08:07 |
| seb128 | better than nothing | 08:07 |
| seb128 | but if you want to join for sat/sun that would be great ;-) | 08:07 |
| seb128 | didrocks, larsu, desrt are likely to stay for those days as well | 08:07 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, but I guess after two full weeks of conferences/sprint I'll be looking forward to getting home again | 08:07 |
| * willcooke spent a lot of time in DC. Once you've done the Smithsonian, the Air & Space museum and walked past the white house - you've done DC | 08:08 | |
| seb128 | pitti, oh, right, you are away the week before as well | 08:08 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, good to know; I'll follow up with BTS | 08:08 |
| didrocks | willcooke: which is taking how long approx? | 08:08 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: nvidia-graphics-drivers owns the bugs. tseliot would be the person to subscribe. Or tjaalton. | 08:08 |
| willcooke | probably 1 day | 08:08 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, ta | 08:08 |
| didrocks | hum | 08:08 |
| seb128 | willcooke, the capitol? | 08:08 |
| willcooke | seb128, its more of a looking at thing IMHO | 08:09 |
| willcooke | a la Tienanmen Square | 08:09 |
| seb128 | willcooke, well, I guess then it depends if people want to spend time in museums, that can easy take an extra day | 08:10 |
| willcooke | yeah | 08:10 |
| willcooke | I might go here: | 08:10 |
| willcooke | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard_House | 08:10 |
| willcooke | trollolololo | 08:10 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:10 |
| willcooke | Oh, the National Archives are probably good - but there is *always* a massive queue to get in, like hours and hours - so I never bothered | 08:11 |
| larsu | willcooke knows it's Friday | 08:11 |
| willcooke | The Air & Space museum is great, and not far from the hotel I think | 08:11 |
| willcooke | larsu, :D | 08:11 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, Sunday there's a direct United flight at 22:55 -- perfect | 08:13 |
| pitti | seb128: and that way it's even 400 EUR cheaper.. | 08:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, +1, I was pondering taking that one on sun or mon | 08:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, ;-) | 08:13 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 08:14 | |
| didrocks | seb128: so, you are going to take the same than pitti? | 08:14 |
| pitti | seb128: so we'll have pretty much two full days | 08:14 |
| pitti | seb128: and I'll arrive on Sunday evening then, not Sat | 08:14 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I don't know, going to check out with you/larsu/desrt, I might stay until monday if some others want to do that | 08:15 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I think I'm going to wait monday to email BTS anyway | 08:15 |
| seb128 | so I've the w.e to think about it | 08:15 |
| larsu | same here | 08:16 |
| didrocks | hum, WHAT? the price doubled today | 08:16 |
| seb128 | for what fly? | 08:16 |
| didrocks | ah no typo :) | 08:16 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:16 |
| didrocks | same day for way in and back | 08:16 |
| pitti | seb128: there's only 4 seats left on my preferred flight, so I better get them ASAP | 08:16 |
| didrocks | so, not a week, double of each way flights, blablabla | 08:16 |
| pitti | didrocks: Saturday night rule? | 08:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, is that one of the online website "tricks" to make you decide and buy? | 08:17 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh clearly yeah, it's x2 :) | 08:17 |
| pitti | I don't know | 08:17 |
| didrocks | ok, seems we all mostly settled down on Sunday to Sunday anyway | 08:19 |
| seb128 | are we? | 08:19 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure larsu, desrt, attente are | 08:19 |
| pitti | at least I don't want to go home much later; two days of tourism seems fine | 08:20 |
| didrocks | larsu: seemed to be | 08:20 |
| * larsu nods | 08:20 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, I think he replied "I'm not going to email bts before monday anyway, give time to think about it" | 08:20 |
| seb128 | +to my | 08:20 |
| didrocks | ah, nodding on that, not on pitti's | 08:20 |
| seb128 | I assumed | 08:20 |
| didrocks | larsu: you should nod more clearly! | 08:20 |
| didrocks | bad nodder :p | 08:20 |
| * larsu nods clearly | 08:21 | |
| seb128 | lol | 08:21 |
| didrocks | ahah | 08:21 |
| larsu | like I said, I'll have my final plan by Monday | 08:21 |
| didrocks | ok ;) | 08:21 |
| seb128 | larsu, what's your preference? sunday or monday? | 08:21 |
| seb128 | k, same here | 08:21 |
| seb128 | I'm flexible | 08:21 |
| larsu | but it looks very likely that I'll do Sunday -> Sunday (night) | 08:21 |
| seb128 | it's either sunday 11pm or monday 8pm | 08:21 |
| larsu | because I'll be in Cologne the weekend before | 08:22 |
| larsu | seb128: Monday would work as well | 08:22 |
| didrocks | mine for me are 7:50pm | 08:23 |
| didrocks | A380, can't wait for it! :) | 08:24 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:24 |
| seb128 | shame it's only east coast ;- | 08:24 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 08:24 |
| didrocks | yeah, I hope we'll be delayed, sure sure :) | 08:24 |
| didrocks | (delayed, in the plane :p) | 08:24 |
| * pitti shakes head | 08:25 | |
| pitti | you know, you could fly the other way round if 9 hours isn't enough | 08:25 |
| didrocks | pitti: you mean, doing that the day after I'm flying 12h back to France? :) | 08:25 |
| didrocks | sounds like an *excellent* plan :) | 08:26 |
| * larsu curses CUPS | 08:26 | |
| detly | pitti: very jealous :) I used to have a C64, but another appliance fell on it and cracked one of the circuit boards | 08:27 |
| detly | oh the memories | 08:27 |
| pitti | detly: +1 | 08:27 |
| pitti | detly: on the memories, of course, not cracking it :/ | 08:27 |
| detly | yeah, 'twas a sad day | 08:28 |
| * Saviq reboots to meet the new lightdm, let's see how that goes | 09:14 | |
| tkamppeter | willcooke, hi | 09:39 |
| willcooke | hi tkamppeter | 09:39 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| didrocks | fginther: once you are around: hey! I think you have seen that ps-trusty-desktop-amd64-1 is down, can you put it online again? Then, I'll have 2 questions for you as you have more jenkins expertise than I (around groups not being taken into account and dbus-launch which fails, where we solved it for autopilot IIRC). | 11:52 |
| didrocks | fginther: I'm out for some exercise, will be back then :) | 11:53 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| === JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
| seb128 | kenvandine, it's little test to approve its own mps when others added things to fix :p | 14:02 |
| seb128 | test->taste | 14:02 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey btw, happy friday ;-) | 14:02 |
| kenvandine | haha | 14:03 |
| kenvandine | misfired in changing it to WIP :) | 14:04 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ;-) | 14:04 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i found my problem with the "Not yet" button... | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | the dialog is getting fired multiple times | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | getting the onSystemUpdateDownloaded signal several times,should be easy to fix | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | then my branch will be ready | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i am a bit puzzled by this... onSystemUpdateDownloaded it does this | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | root.updatesAvailable -= 1; | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | why decrement that number on the signal? | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | and right now it gets decreased to many times | 14:09 |
| === mpt_ is now known as mpt | ||
| === om26er_ is now known as om26er|dinner | ||
| fginther | didrocks, bon jour! I've recovered ps-trusty-desktop-amd64-1. We may have to do a few tweaks to make it reliable. It's a bit hit or miss on coming up cleanly | 14:54 |
| didrocks | fginther: thanks for restarting them :) | 14:54 |
| didrocks | ahah, was just pinging you :) | 14:54 |
| didrocks | sounds good :) | 14:55 |
| didrocks | fginther: do you have some time (maybe a hangout?) so that we can fix my latest blockers? | 14:55 |
| fginther | didrocks, do you have time later today? I'm trying to address a problem with the mako images that is blocking all MP testing | 14:57 |
| didrocks | fginther: I'm still around for a couple of hours | 14:58 |
| fginther | didrocks, ok, I'll ping you when I get things settled | 14:58 |
| didrocks | fginther: perfect! good luck :) | 14:58 |
| qengho | Does anyone here use any general interface testing system on desktop that doesn't assume lots about the UI toolkit? | 15:03 |
| qengho | I use sikuli in chromium, but it was broken*, and no one else noticed, so I wonder if there's something better. | 15:04 |
| qengho | * https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntu/utopic/sikuli/lp1313398/+merge/233407 | 15:04 |
| qengho | By "general interface testing", I mean program automation, with some assertions. | 15:05 |
| didrocks | qengho: python unittests is quite great for that (if the assert are text/content only). I'm using it with subprocesses in some cases | 15:14 |
| qengho | didrocks: It's not text. Think of clicking buttons on screen. | 15:20 |
| didrocks | qengho: ok, I guess people would say autopilot, but I doubt they have chromium bindings | 15:20 |
| qengho | Right, I don't want to be too friendly with the toolkit. | 15:21 |
| balloons | qengho, buttons in chromium or web stuff? | 15:21 |
| balloons | if "web stuff", selenium | 15:22 |
| qengho | balloons: Well, buttons, to verify (e.g.) that webapps options is in the settings screens. | 15:22 |
| qengho | Also, some very simple web-browser-starts-and-can-reach-web-pages too. | 15:23 |
| qengho | balloons: I'm also thinking about a fontconfig bug now in Chromium. I want to verify that asking for CSS typeface falls back to what we expect it to. | 15:24 |
| qengho | Basically, I love "sikuli", but I hate its dependence on Java. | 15:25 |
| didrocks | qengho: you need some image recognization tools, seems like sikuli is still the FLOSS leader though | 15:25 |
| qengho | Thank you, d. | 15:26 |
| balloons | qengho, you could also use xpresser if you want image rec. it uses python | 15:26 |
| balloons | that said I would avoid image recognition based testing if there is ANY other option | 15:27 |
| qengho | balloons: Agreed. At least sikuli lets me use it's OCR voodoo and its fuzzy matching dark-magick. | 15:28 |
| balloons | it's probably just opencv | 15:29 |
| fginther | didrocks, want to chat now? | 15:56 |
| didrocks | fginther: sounds great! | 15:56 |
| didrocks | fginther: have link handy or want me to? | 15:56 |
| fginther | didrocks, sending an invite now | 15:57 |
| === om26er|dinner is now known as om26er | ||
| Trevinho | marga: hey! | 16:40 |
| Trevinho | marga: so, I've made a ppa with some changes that might solve the "missing input field" issue. Could you give this to the affected people to see if it solves? | 16:40 |
| Trevinho | https://launchpad.net/~3v1n0/+archive/ubuntu/unity-tests | 16:40 |
| marga | Trevinho, sure, thanks | 16:41 |
| marga | There's a growing list of angry users, they'll be happy to test it :) | 16:41 |
| Trevinho | marga: packages should be published on the repo in few minutes | 16:41 |
| Trevinho | marga: mh, ok, we'll try to make them smile then ;) | 16:42 |
| Trevinho | marga: that repo is just a first round btw, with cleanest fix we have... If that fails, I'll go with brute force ;) | 16:43 |
| willcooke | have a good weekend all, see you next week | 16:56 |
| marga | Trevinho, ok, I sent the email asking my users to test your packages, I expect I'll have feedback between Monday and Tuesday | 17:18 |
| Trevinho | marga: nice, let me know | 18:01 |
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