[01:55] <RAOF> Bah.
[01:56] <RAOF> logind!!!!
[04:18] <detly> I've just added the Gnome 3 staging PPA so I can try out 3.12. I found that it mostly worked fine, but gnome-control-center and gnome-settings-daemon can't be upgraded without removing unity altogether, which means keybindings and some other things don't work. Is that a known issue? Is there some other PPA I need to add? Or should I just be patient?
[04:36] <pitti> Good morning
[04:37] <sarnold> hey pitti :)
[04:37] <pitti> hey sarnold, how are you?
[04:38] <sarnold> pitti: pretty good, a few hours off for dinner and taking the dog for a walk helps :)
[04:38] <sarnold> pitti: how're you?
[05:00] <pitti> sarnold: still a bit tired, but quite fine otherwise
[05:01] <pitti> (sorry, missed your reply, deep in mutt..)
[05:01] <sarnold> hehe, mutt'll do that :)
[05:39] <didrocks> good morning
[05:59] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:59] <didrocks> good morning pitti!
[07:05] <larsu> good morning!
[07:06] <didrocks> good morning larsu
[07:24] <willcooke> morning
[07:27] <larsu> hi willcooke
[07:28] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:39] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:39] <willcooke> morning seb128
[07:39] <seb128> hey willcooke larsu didrocks
[07:47] <pitti> hey seb128
[07:47] <pitti> morning willcooke and larsu, too!
[07:47] <seb128> lut pitti, wie gehts?
[07:48] <willcooke> hey pitti
[07:48] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! ich hacke wieder an autopkgtest :)
[07:49] <seb128> pitti, schön ;-)
[07:52] <larsu> seb128: ooh, umlaut. 10 German spelling points for you ;)
[07:52] <seb128> larsu, :-)
[07:53] <didrocks> larsu: you do use ¨ as umlaut btw, there is no special character? (as umlaut, IIRC, are more lines than dots)
[07:56] <pitti> didrocks: how do you mean "more lines"
[07:56] <larsu> didrocks: no, they're dots
[07:56] <didrocks> pitti: larsu: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umlaut#mediaviewer/File:U_umlaut_en_Suetterlinschrift.png
[07:56] <didrocks> they are more like 2 vertical lines here than dots, for instance
[07:56] <pitti> didrocks: it's exactly like the trema in other languages (like French), except that it's not being used as a trema (German abolished the trema looong ago), but as changing the pronounciation of a vowel to an umlaut
[07:57] <pitti> didrocks: ah well, that's Suetterlin .. i. e. the written German which was pretty much abolished in the mid-20st century
[07:57] <larsu> didrocks: ah, sometimes people use lines when writing (but it's fairly uncommon these days)
[07:57] <pitti> didrocks: but even modern pupils write the "dots" something more akin to "
[07:58] <larsu> I don't think I've ever seen a typeface with lines instead of dots
[07:58] <didrocks> larsu: pitti: ok, I learnt it that way actually, hence my question :)
[07:58] <pitti> didrocks: wow, you learned Suetterlin? Or just writing the umlauts that way?
[07:58] <didrocks> pitti: just writing the umlauts that way
[07:58] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, in handwriting it's all very sloppy anyway, some people even just write a short horizontal bar, or "
[07:59] <seb128> it's easier to draw a small line with a pen than to do a dot
[07:59] <pitti> yeah, dots with a clasic feather were a bit awkward
[07:59] <didrocks> ok, but for non handwriting is always using dots, got it, thanks!
[07:59] <larsu> pitti says that like he's 200 years old and used to write with a feather regularly
[08:00] <seb128> lol
[08:00] <didrocks> ahah :)
[08:00] <pitti> larsu: well, at least I'm onld enough to have tried :)
[08:00] <pitti> <rusty voice> back in my time, buddy, we wrote 6510 assembler!
[08:00]  * pitti pats his trusty old C64
[08:01] <pitti> that was almost like writing with a feather that leaked all the time :)
[08:01]  * pitti aime les vendredis
[08:02] <larsu> HAHA
[08:03]  * larsu brings pitti a blanket, a hot water bottle, and a cup of tea
[08:03] <seb128> oh, pitti is going to tell us nice stories from old time?
[08:03]  * seb128 seats quietly and listen
[08:04] <seb128> sits even
[08:04] <pitti> nah, I never do that :)
[08:04] <pitti> or if I do, next time I want to sit in a restaurant with you with a beer in my hand!
[08:04] <seb128> :-)
[08:04] <pitti> dear BTS, please send me my flights already
[08:04] <larsu> ;)
[08:04] <seb128> pitti, when do you fly back?
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: I was going to take the Friday 22:00 one
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, not fancying taking an extra day and staying until monday? it's likely some of us are going to do that
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: until Monday? that's three extra days then
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: but yeah, I can consider that as well
[08:06] <pitti> but I'd go back on Sunday afternoon/evening then
[08:06] <detly> pitti: you really have an old C64?
[08:06] <seb128> pitti, well, that's one day off
[08:06] <seb128> pitti, vac days speaking
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: Sat and Sun? (with the Sat 22:00 flight)
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: ah, that way
[08:06] <seb128> pitti, Sun 22 you mean?
[08:07]  * larsu would like to stay around after as well
[08:07] <pitti> detly: yeah, my first own computer, got it in 1991; before that I went to the university once a week to learn BASIC on these dreaded GDR clones of the old PCs
[08:07] <seb128> pitti, well, I'm probably going to fly back on monday evening, 1.5 days seems a bit short to visit
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: err, yes
[08:07] <seb128> better than nothing
[08:07] <seb128> but if you want to join for sat/sun that would be great ;-)
[08:07] <seb128> didrocks, larsu, desrt are likely to stay for those days as well
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: yeah, but I guess after two full weeks of conferences/sprint I'll be looking forward to getting home again
[08:08]  * willcooke spent a lot of time in DC.  Once you've done the Smithsonian, the Air & Space museum and walked past the white house - you've done DC
[08:08] <seb128> pitti, oh, right, you are away the week before as well
[08:08] <pitti> seb128: ok, good to know; I'll follow up with BTS
[08:08] <didrocks> willcooke: which is taking how long approx?
[08:08] <RAOF> robert_ancell: nvidia-graphics-drivers owns the bugs. tseliot would be the person to subscribe. Or tjaalton.
[08:08] <willcooke> probably 1 day
[08:08] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ta
[08:08] <didrocks> hum
[08:08] <seb128> willcooke, the capitol?
[08:09] <willcooke> seb128, its more of a looking at thing IMHO
[08:09] <willcooke> a la Tienanmen Square
[08:10] <seb128> willcooke, well, I guess then it depends if people want to spend time in museums, that can easy take an extra day
[08:10] <willcooke> yeah
[08:10] <willcooke> I might go here:
[08:10] <willcooke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard_House
[08:10] <willcooke> trollolololo
[08:10] <seb128> lol
[08:11] <willcooke> Oh, the National Archives are probably good - but there is *always* a massive queue to get in, like hours and hours - so I never bothered
[08:11] <larsu> willcooke knows it's Friday
[08:11] <willcooke> The Air & Space museum is great, and not far from the hotel I think
[08:11] <willcooke> larsu, :D
[08:13] <pitti> seb128: ok, Sunday there's a direct United flight at 22:55 -- perfect
[08:13] <pitti> seb128: and that way it's even 400 EUR cheaper..
[08:13] <seb128> pitti, +1, I was pondering taking that one on sun or mon
[08:13] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[08:14]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[08:14] <didrocks> seb128: so, you are going to take the same than pitti?
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: so we'll have pretty much two full days
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: and I'll arrive on Sunday evening then, not Sat
[08:15] <seb128> didrocks, I don't know, going to check out with you/larsu/desrt, I might stay until monday if some others want to do that
[08:15] <seb128> didrocks, I think I'm going to wait monday to email BTS anyway
[08:15] <seb128> so I've the w.e to think about it
[08:16] <larsu> same here
[08:16] <didrocks> hum, WHAT? the price doubled today
[08:16] <seb128> for what fly?
[08:16] <didrocks> ah no typo :)
[08:16] <seb128> lol
[08:16] <didrocks> same day for way in and back
[08:16] <pitti> seb128: there's only 4 seats left on my preferred flight, so I better get them ASAP
[08:16] <didrocks> so, not a week, double of each way flights, blablabla
[08:17] <pitti> didrocks: Saturday night rule?
[08:17] <seb128> pitti, is that one of the online website "tricks" to make you decide and buy?
[08:17] <didrocks> pitti: oh clearly yeah, it's x2 :)
[08:17] <pitti> I don't know
[08:19] <didrocks> ok, seems we all mostly settled down on Sunday to Sunday anyway
[08:19] <seb128> are we?
[08:19] <seb128> I'm not sure larsu, desrt, attente are
[08:20] <pitti> at least I don't want to go home much later; two days of tourism seems fine
[08:20] <didrocks> larsu: seemed to be
[08:20]  * larsu nods
[08:20] <seb128> didrocks, I think he replied "I'm not going to email bts before monday anyway, give time to think about it"
[08:20] <seb128> +to my
[08:20] <didrocks> ah, nodding on that, not on pitti's
[08:20] <seb128> I assumed
[08:20] <didrocks> larsu: you should nod more clearly!
[08:20] <didrocks> bad nodder :p
[08:21]  * larsu nods clearly
[08:21] <seb128> lol
[08:21] <didrocks> ahah
[08:21] <larsu> like I said, I'll have my final plan by Monday
[08:21] <didrocks> ok ;)
[08:21] <seb128> larsu, what's your preference? sunday or monday?
[08:21] <seb128> k, same here
[08:21] <seb128> I'm flexible
[08:21] <larsu> but it looks very likely that I'll do Sunday -> Sunday (night)
[08:21] <seb128> it's either sunday 11pm or monday 8pm
[08:22] <larsu> because I'll be in Cologne the weekend before
[08:22] <larsu> seb128: Monday would work as well
[08:23] <didrocks> mine for me are 7:50pm
[08:24] <didrocks> A380, can't wait for it! :)
[08:24] <seb128> lol
[08:24] <seb128> shame it's only east coast ;-
[08:24] <seb128> ;-)
[08:24] <didrocks> yeah, I hope we'll be delayed, sure sure :)
[08:24] <didrocks> (delayed, in the plane :p)
[08:25]  * pitti shakes head
[08:25] <pitti> you know, you could fly the other way round if 9 hours isn't enough
[08:25] <didrocks> pitti: you mean, doing that the day after I'm flying 12h back to France? :)
[08:26] <didrocks> sounds like an *excellent* plan :)
[08:26]  * larsu curses CUPS
[08:27] <detly> pitti: very jealous :) I used to have a C64, but another appliance fell on it and cracked one of the circuit boards
[08:27] <detly> oh the memories
[08:27] <pitti> detly: +1
[08:27] <pitti> detly: on the memories, of course, not cracking it :/
[08:28] <detly> yeah, 'twas a sad day
[09:14]  * Saviq reboots to meet the new lightdm, let's see how that goes
[09:39] <tkamppeter> willcooke, hi
[09:39] <willcooke> hi tkamppeter
[11:52] <didrocks> fginther: once you are around: hey! I think you have seen that ps-trusty-desktop-amd64-1 is down, can you put it online again? Then, I'll have 2 questions for you as you have more jenkins expertise than I (around groups not being taken into account and dbus-launch which fails, where we solved it for autopilot IIRC).
[11:53] <didrocks> fginther: I'm out for some exercise, will be back then :)
[14:02] <seb128> kenvandine, it's little test to approve its own mps when others added things to fix :p
[14:02] <seb128> test->taste
[14:02] <seb128> kenvandine, hey btw, happy friday ;-)
[14:03] <kenvandine> haha
[14:04] <kenvandine> misfired in changing it to WIP :)
[14:04] <seb128> kenvandine, ;-)
[14:07] <kenvandine> seb128, i found my problem with the "Not yet" button...
[14:07] <kenvandine> the dialog is getting fired multiple times
[14:07] <kenvandine> getting the onSystemUpdateDownloaded signal several times,should be easy to fix
[14:07] <kenvandine> then my branch will be ready
[14:08] <kenvandine> seb128,  i am a bit puzzled by this... onSystemUpdateDownloaded it does this
[14:08] <kenvandine> root.updatesAvailable -= 1;
[14:08] <kenvandine> why decrement that number on the signal?
[14:09] <kenvandine> and right now it gets decreased to many times
[14:54] <fginther> didrocks, bon jour!  I've recovered ps-trusty-desktop-amd64-1. We may have to do a few tweaks to make it reliable. It's a bit hit or miss on coming up cleanly
[14:54] <didrocks> fginther: thanks for restarting them :)
[14:54] <didrocks> ahah, was just pinging you :)
[14:55] <didrocks> sounds good :)
[14:55] <didrocks> fginther: do you have some time (maybe a hangout?) so that we can fix my latest blockers?
[14:57] <fginther> didrocks, do you have time later today? I'm trying to address a problem with the mako images that is blocking all MP testing
[14:58] <didrocks> fginther: I'm still around for a couple of hours
[14:58] <fginther> didrocks, ok, I'll ping you when I get things settled
[14:58] <didrocks> fginther: perfect! good luck :)
[15:03] <qengho> Does anyone here use any general interface testing system on desktop that doesn't assume lots about the UI toolkit?
[15:04] <qengho> I use sikuli in chromium, but it was broken*, and no one else noticed, so I wonder if there's something better.
[15:04] <qengho> * https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntu/utopic/sikuli/lp1313398/+merge/233407
[15:05] <qengho> By "general interface testing", I mean program automation, with some assertions.
[15:14] <didrocks> qengho: python unittests is quite great for that (if the assert are text/content only). I'm using it with subprocesses in some cases
[15:20] <qengho> didrocks: It's not text. Think of clicking buttons on screen.
[15:20] <didrocks> qengho: ok, I guess people would say autopilot, but I doubt they have chromium bindings
[15:21] <qengho> Right, I don't want to be too friendly with the toolkit.
[15:21] <balloons> qengho, buttons in chromium or web stuff?
[15:22] <balloons> if "web stuff", selenium
[15:22] <qengho> balloons: Well, buttons, to verify (e.g.) that webapps options is in the settings screens.
[15:23] <qengho> Also, some very simple web-browser-starts-and-can-reach-web-pages too.
[15:24] <qengho> balloons: I'm also thinking about a fontconfig bug now in Chromium. I want to verify that asking for CSS typeface falls back to what we expect it to.
[15:25] <qengho> Basically, I love "sikuli", but I hate its dependence on Java.
[15:25] <didrocks> qengho: you need some image recognization tools, seems like sikuli is still the FLOSS leader though
[15:26] <qengho> Thank you, d.
[15:26] <balloons> qengho, you could also use xpresser if you want image rec. it uses python
[15:27] <balloons> that said I would avoid image recognition based testing if there is ANY other option
[15:28] <qengho> balloons: Agreed. At least sikuli lets me use it's OCR voodoo and its fuzzy matching dark-magick.
[15:29] <balloons> it's probably just opencv
[15:56] <fginther> didrocks, want to chat now?
[15:56] <didrocks> fginther: sounds great!
[15:56] <didrocks> fginther: have link handy or want me to?
[15:57] <fginther> didrocks, sending an invite now
[16:40] <Trevinho> marga: hey!
[16:40] <Trevinho> marga: so, I've made a ppa with some changes that might solve the "missing input field" issue. Could you give this to the affected people to see if it solves?
[16:40] <Trevinho> https://launchpad.net/~3v1n0/+archive/ubuntu/unity-tests
[16:41] <marga> Trevinho, sure, thanks
[16:41] <marga> There's a growing list of angry users, they'll be happy to test it :)
[16:41] <Trevinho> marga: packages should be published on the repo in few minutes
[16:42] <Trevinho> marga: mh, ok, we'll try to make them smile then ;)
[16:43] <Trevinho> marga: that repo is just a first round btw, with cleanest fix we have... If that fails, I'll go with brute force ;)
[16:56] <willcooke> have a good weekend all, see you next week
[17:18] <marga> Trevinho, ok, I sent the email asking my users to test your packages, I expect I'll have feedback between Monday and Tuesday
[18:01] <Trevinho> marga: nice, let me know