[04:37] <pitti> Good morning
[11:09] <jamespage> jibel, pitti: have we considered switching over to using debci for DEP-8 test reporting? I find ci.debian.net much easier to access than jenkins
[13:20] <pitti> jamespage: yes, I've been working on and off on a next-gen cloud-based system
[13:21] <pitti> jamespage: I worked on debci itself quite a lot to support multiple backends, mutliple arches, etc. if you are interested: https://wiki.debian.org/debci/DistributedSpec
[13:21] <pitti> jamespage: vila works on CI airline autopkgtest integration too
[13:22] <pitti> jamespage: I expect that the next thing that we'll switch to will be this, plus using the debci web UI for viewing the results (the swift data format should be compatible)
[14:33] <elfy> balloons: you about?
[14:39] <balloons> elfy, perhaps
[14:39] <elfy> lol
[14:40] <elfy> got issues booting both xubuntu and ubuntu dailies today - have to go to vt1 and startx - loginctl show-seat seat0 shows CanGraphical=no for both
[14:40] <balloons> yikes
[14:41] <elfy> bug 1365336 is one I've been working on with an issue I had - what's confusing me is surely the livesession uses nouveau or the amd opensource one
[14:41] <elfy> why would livesession crash?
[14:41] <elfy> and I've neither the knowledge to dig into that nor any idea who else to tell :p
[14:42] <balloons> elfy, what machine are you trying on?
[14:42] <elfy> vm personally - with nvidia card
[14:42] <slickymasterWork> hey balloons o/
[14:42] <elfy> slickymasterWork: what are you trying it  on?
[14:43] <balloons> ahh alberto is already on it
[14:43] <balloons> hey slickymasterWork
[14:43] <slickymasterWork> that's why I stepped in, here you go ballons -> http://phillw.net/hardware/Ed3c22qV´
[14:43] <slickymasterWork> http://phillw.net/hardware/Ed3c22qV
[14:44] <elfy> balloons: yea - I have received the fixed file here - removed my chucked together .rules file and it the machine is fine
[14:44] <elfy> I'm more concerned with the livesession now
[14:44] <slickymasterWork> balloons: FWIW see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1365815
[14:44] <elfy> not sure where to go with that
[14:45] <elfy> slickymasterWork: that's possibl;y a different issue altogether - I've seen that and it still works ok
[14:45] <slickymasterWork> the INSTALL option works like a charm balloons, the issue just exists in the LiveSession
[14:46] <elfy> that bug is just the wallpaper missing like it does every cycle
[14:46] <elfy> The try option would work if CanGraphical=no was yes
[14:47]  * elfy is positive about that - having been affected by both :)
[14:48] <elfy> balloons: would it be better to create a livesession bug for the cangraphical issue?
[14:53]  * balloons is trying to follow
[14:53] <balloons> ok, so the first bug is about your lightdm desktop update that broke things
[14:54] <balloons> interesting bug, but looks solved, and I get it
[15:00] <elfy> but is it solved - this is what I'm trying to ascertain - why is the livesession even interested in an nvidia package?
[15:01] <elfy> the second bug is something else I'm sure
[15:02] <balloons> there's some udev rules that seem to be the issue
[15:02] <elfy> yea for fglrx and nvidia*
[15:03] <balloons> yea, it's interesting.
[15:03] <elfy> I guess if tomorrow's daily still has the same issue then it's something extra and needs reporting
[15:03] <balloons> my guess is they are consulted regardless of use
[15:04] <elfy> balloons: ok - well I will hold fire on saying anything else for the time being
[15:05] <elfy> why does jenkins not report the live as a fail - or does it not look at that sort of thing?
[15:07] <balloons> elfy, graphical issues are hard to determine..no attempt is made by the AP tests to do so
[15:07] <balloons> that said, I find it interesting the tests made it through the checks
[15:07] <elfy> ok - thanks for that - was a bit confused :)
[15:07] <balloons> if it appears to install ok, but then fails to load up after we won't see it
[15:07] <balloons> we should detect boot failures, but nothing beyond
[15:08] <balloons> it would be interesting to have a test for a live session. I don't know that we have one
[15:09] <elfy> it boots fine, if you choose install rather than try - that works as expected
[15:09] <elfy> it's just livesession
[15:09] <balloons> right.. and nothing goes after try :-)
[15:09] <elfy> yep - CanGraphical=you have to be joking :D
[15:10] <balloons> elfy, for giggles, open a bug against ubiquity and ask for an autopilot test to be run against the live session
[15:10] <elfy> :)
[15:10] <balloons> seriously, so the idea won't be lost at least
[15:10] <elfy> I'm just doing so now
[15:11] <balloons> I think it could basically just check that the greeter started and stays running for a few mins, and the desktop session starts and stays running
[15:15] <elfy> bug 1366079
[15:15] <elfy> there you go balloons
[15:16] <balloons> elfy, excellent thanks
[15:16] <elfy> yw
[15:17] <elfy> balloons: so - just quickly going back to issue #1 here - if I do get the same issue tomorrow - what should I report it against do you think?
[15:17] <balloons> the same issue? I would report against lightdm if it's the same
[15:17] <elfy> ok - thanks then :)
[15:51] <elopio> balloons: review please: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-calendar-app/fix1351319-swipe_to_get_current_day/+merge/229356
[16:07] <balloons> elopio, lol.. this is perfect. I was just looking at this
[16:09] <balloons> elopio, so the only confusion is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1365674
[16:10] <elopio> balloons: yes. But I think it's not a big deal, I
[16:10] <elopio> 'll just add the optional argument and calendar will keep working.
[16:10] <balloons> I don't see the issue. You are calling a private helper, from a private helper
[16:11] <balloons> ohh, lol, I get it now
[16:11] <balloons> sorry :-)
[16:11] <elopio> calling a private helper on one project from a private helper on a different project.
[16:11] <balloons> yes, lol
[16:11]  * balloons rattles head
[16:12] <balloons> approved. Thanks elopio
[16:12] <elopio> thanks
[16:26] <elopio> balloons: what about a new release of weather to the store?
[16:26] <balloons> elopio, we can do one, I take it there's something you need to release
[16:27] <elopio> balloons: this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1365279
[16:27] <balloons> elopio, ohh, I see 358 is in there
[16:27] <balloons> so that fix should be in
[16:28] <balloons> so latest trunk is in store
[16:29] <elopio> balloons: ok, thanks. So maybe next run will pass.
[16:29] <balloons> yep
[16:31] <knome> balloons, ping.
[16:32] <balloons> knome, pong
[16:32] <knome> balloons, we need to talk about the trackers... you will see pleia2 next week, and we will gather her a list of things that sucks, and you better be prepared to assure her you will get somebody to fix those issues :)
[16:33] <pleia2> I think sitting down and going through them will be helpful
[16:33] <balloons> knome, we had a pre-cursor to this yesterday. In thinking about it, I think it's the biggest obstacle atm
[16:33] <knome> well that's the nice way to say it i guess
[16:33] <balloons> so what we don't have is someone who knows django and can make the fixes and has the time to do so
[16:34] <balloons> I know you have lots of good stuff I'd like to see implemented knome
[16:34] <knome> well, i have *implemented* a bunch of stuff, but they are waiting to be pushed to production
[16:34] <knome> which also sucks
[16:34] <knome> implemented meaning implemented in the most literal sense you could imagine; the code is sitting in the trunk.
[16:36] <pleia2> balloons: some of the pain points are pretty bad, I love and am committed to Xubuntu and it's making *me* not want to do testing, this needs attention
[16:38] <balloons> elopio, just fyi from my perspective I'm trying to fix-up calculator, trying to land reminders mp's, and trying to tweak rssreader tests to land the new header
[16:38] <balloons> I'd appreciate your thoughts on the calculator mp, I'll share soon
[16:38] <elopio> balloons: ack.
[16:38] <elopio> balloons: I will try to focus on the fake home for reminders, copying what you did on music.
[16:40] <balloons> yea, I was a bit surprised to see it worked, lol.. I had thought it didn't after all our tests :-)
[16:41] <balloons> elopio, so while I have you, you may as well have a look: https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-calculator-app/ap-fix-missing-keypress/+merge/233534
[16:41] <balloons> There's some trouble with missing key presses, and you can see I have a try block catching them atm
[16:42] <balloons> the test suites can certainly use more cleanup in many ways, I'm just trying to unblock there landings
[16:43] <knome> elfy, pleia2: can we schedule some time to sit down and go through what's wrong with the tracker piece by piece?
[16:44] <knome> elfy, pleia2: then make sure they are reported as bugs, and have (clear) enough information for somebody to potentially start working on them?
[16:44] <pleia2> wfm
[16:44] <balloons> knome, this I did not know.. So you simply need someone to review and push the code?
[16:44] <knome> elfy, pleia2: then we could poke balloons and let him find a django expert with time
[16:44] <elfy> knome: I'm about from 2 hours time until Sunday evening
[16:44]  * balloons feels like this conversation happened before
[16:44] <elfy> so does elfy :)
[16:45] <knome> balloons, i only need stgraber to double-check the code is fine and push it to production.
[16:45] <knome> or anybody else that can review and push..
[16:45] <knome> but i believe it all falls down on this one poor guy
[16:47] <knome> pleia2, was saturday your off-from-FOSS day?
[16:47] <pleia2> knome: yeah, I'm available sunday
[16:47] <knome> me too. tomorrow is semi-bad
[16:47] <knome> pleia2, what's your sunday wakeup time?
[16:47] <balloons> so I'll work on unblocking us on the code front. I'll work with stephane to do so
[16:48] <pleia2> knome: nowish
[16:48] <knome> right..
[16:48] <knome> is 16UTC completely out of question?
[16:48] <pleia2> I can make that work
[16:49] <knome> good! elfy, does 16UTC on sunday work for you?
[16:53] <knome> oh elfy...
[16:59] <elopio> balloons: I don't like the retry. Things like this or the select_many_retry generally don't help us getting tests to stable, and don't help us by hiding underlying issues.
[16:59] <pleia2> balloons: thanks re: code unblock
[16:59] <elopio> why are we missing some key presses?
[17:00] <balloons> elopio, yes, I have the retry in there to see what other issues might exist and to try and figure out why the presses are being missed. The app misses keypresses on load, I'm not sure where else, I'm reviewing the log
[17:00] <balloons> anyways, I'll have you look later when it's done
[17:01] <balloons> i'm going to try checking the calc keyboard state before pressing
[17:01] <balloons> or perhaps the button itself even
[17:01] <balloons> if those don't work, I'll come find you
[17:01] <elopio> balloons: I've left you my comments on the branch.
[17:01] <elopio> sure, I'll help you debug, just ping me.
[17:03] <elfy> knome pleia2 - 16UTC is good for me
[17:03] <knome> great :)
[17:04] <knome> added to the team calendar
[17:04] <elfy> okey doke - I'm sure to remember to check that :p
[17:04] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/team-calendar/ :P
[17:04] <knome> or you can sync it with thunderbird...
[17:04] <elfy> I know *where*
[17:04] <elfy> and I do sync with tbird :p
[17:05] <knome> heh
[17:05] <elfy> it's remembering to read it :D
[17:05] <knome> yep
[17:09] <elfy> balloons: if I requested rebuild on tracker for our images - would they get respun with all relevant updates - I'm assuming so
[17:10] <balloons> indeed
[17:11] <elfy> ta - just checking :)
[17:11] <knome> achtung! elfy is cross-posting!
[17:11] <elfy> he's a goblin that elfy guy