[01:58] <sabgenton> Hey everybody https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U72jsmGE_bs  shows a usbstick that has a phone connector on one end and a pc connector on the other, what if!! we could plug it into the nexus 4 and then plug in a power brick into the other end, portable OTG!?
[02:02] <hackersarchangel> hello everyobdy!
[02:02]  * hackersarchangel *crowd* Hi Dr. Nick!
[02:05] <sabgenton> nobdy?
[02:05] <hackersarchangel> ??
[02:05] <sabgenton> hackersarchangel: did you see my msg above?
[02:06] <hackersarchangel> nope. just arrived
[02:06] <sabgenton> repost
[02:06] <sabgenton> Hey everybody https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U72jsmGE_bs shows a usbstick that has a phone connector on one end and a pc connector on the other, what if!! we could plug it into the nexus 4 and then plug in a power brick into the other end, portable OTG!?
[02:06] <sabgenton> hackersarchangel: basicly looking for a compact way to get otg working
[02:06] <sabgenton> as the nexus 4 needs externel power
[02:08] <hackersarchangel> wait why does the Nexus 4 need power for that? Does the plug not provide any?
[02:11] <sabgenton> hackersarchangel: yeah well not enough, the nexus 5 does though (all long with most good phones now)
[02:12] <hackersarchangel> gotcha
[02:12] <sabgenton> it might be a compromise for the crappy battery int he nexus 4
[02:12] <sabgenton> anyway I got a nexus 4 off ebay so now I need to figure a way to get more storage out of it with OTG hehe
[02:13] <sabgenton> (without plunging into a wall socket)
[02:13] <sabgenton> I wish I could predict what phone ubuntu would support next though :)
[02:14] <hackersarchangel> right. I hate to say it but it looks like it is a sliding mechanism for the two plugs so you can’t attach both ends at once
[03:12] <hackersarchangel> ok is there a guide somewhere or something I can do to troubleshoot SMS?
[03:12] <hackersarchangel> if anyone is in right now lol
[03:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hackersarchangel, heya
[03:13] <hackersarchangel> hey dude
[03:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hackersarchangel, if you wait a few hours, the devs will be waking up.
[03:13] <hackersarchangel> crap
[03:13] <hackersarchangel> lol
[03:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hackersarchangel, do you have a bug that you can submit?
[03:14] <hackersarchangel> Well I don’t know what the exact issue is.
[03:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hackersarchangel, can you describe it?
[03:14] <hackersarchangel> Oh yes.
[03:14] <hackersarchangel> Well, the macro description
[03:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> networking or software or hardware or what?
[03:14] <hackersarchangel> It won’t send SMS.
[03:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ah
[03:14] <hackersarchangel> I can make a phone call, but no SMS.
[03:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hackersarchangel, and so you need to look at the logs
[03:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> or write some debug messages...
[03:15] <hackersarchangel> Which logs? I looked at syslog but nothing was recorded, and I don’t know how to debug SMS
[03:16] <hackersarchangel> I was thinking I needed to use some of the ofono scripts but I wasn’t sure how to trigger some of those properly
[03:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hackersarchangel, I don't have a device and I have only done application development, however, if you can track down the library in question
[03:17] <hackersarchangel> also having another issue altogether with setting contexts for the various things my carrier my need, but it’s already logged bug-wise
[03:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> you may end up doing something really nice for ubuntu.
[03:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> what device are you using btw?
[03:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> !ping
[03:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> !ping
[03:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ah sorry dc'd
[03:18] <hackersarchangel> lol
 hackersarchangel, I don't have a device and I have only done application development, however, if you can track down the library in question
 you may end up doing something really nice for ubuntu.
 what device are you using btw?
[03:18] <hackersarchangel> Nexus 5
[03:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ah
[03:18] <hackersarchangel> aka hammerhead
[03:19] <hackersarchangel> so it’s a ported version, but it’s a good one.
[03:19] <hackersarchangel> If I can get SMS to go, I’ll daily driver it, almost.
[03:19] <Akiva-Thinkpad> yah... that makes me wonder
[03:19] <hackersarchangel> Well I know of another IRC member that has Sprint with the N5 and they are having no issues
[03:20] <Akiva-Thinkpad> very perplexing
[03:20] <sabgenton> hackersarchangel: how hard is the nexus 5 to use vs 4 with ubuntu?
[03:20] <Akiva-Thinkpad> how are you testing this btw?
[03:20] <sabgenton> for you :)
[03:20] <hackersarchangel> No idea. I don’t have a Nexus 4.
[03:20] <hackersarchangel> Multi-Rom installation.
[03:20] <sabgenton> hackersarchangel: but is it working ok ?
[03:21] <hackersarchangel> So it’s a true bare-metal install.
[03:21] <hackersarchangel> Yeah.
[03:21] <hackersarchangel> Short of my probable carrier issues.
[03:21] <hackersarchangel> I’m also running the Utopic-Proposed line, so I’m tempted to try the RTM release.
[03:21] <hackersarchangel> See if it’s any better.
[03:23] <sabgenton> hackersarchangel: Like do all the phones features work ok?
[03:23] <sabgenton> maybe I should send my nexus 4 back :P
[03:23] <hackersarchangel> No bluetooth
[03:23] <sabgenton> that all?
[03:23] <hackersarchangel> Also the screen doesn’t properly turn off, it’s just blanked out, but I think that is device-agnostic
[03:24] <sabgenton> hmm
[03:24] <hackersarchangel> Also if your Carrier is CDMA (Sprint, Verizon in the USA) then it won’t have LTE
[03:24] <sabgenton> not in US
[03:24] <sabgenton> 1800 LTE here
[03:24] <sabgenton> mhz
[03:24] <hackersarchangel> nice.
[03:25] <sabgenton> so LTE would work?
[03:25] <hackersarchangel> Should, but you may need to manually provision it.
[03:25] <sabgenton> settings you mean?
[03:25] <hackersarchangel> right.
[03:26] <sabgenton> ok so far if you had told me a couple of days back I would have got a 5 not a 4 :(
[03:26] <sabgenton> oh well
[03:26] <hackersarchangel> /var/lib/ofono/<random number string goes here>/gprs
[03:26] <hackersarchangel> meh.
[03:26] <hackersarchangel> Not much of a difference IMO, but I have a Sprint based carrier so I needed the N5 if I wanted Nexus.
[03:26] <hackersarchangel> a current one that is.
[03:26] <sabgenton> I will tell the world if my usbstick power stick dasy chain works anyway
[03:27] <sabgenton> hackersarchangel: 4G is worth it
[03:27] <sabgenton> and OTG that isn't messed up
[03:28] <sabgenton> and most nexus 5's I was looking at come with 32GB not 16
[03:28] <hackersarchangel> Fair enough, but I don’t use OTG myself, and where I live 4G is spotty at best
[03:28] <sabgenton> price wise
[03:28] <sabgenton>  yeah but if 4G is good its worth it
[03:29] <sabgenton> yeah I don't feel 4G is cheep enough yet but it's getting there
[03:29] <sabgenton> I keeped my last gingerbread phone for years so I like to think ahead
[03:38] <hackersarchangel> I just had a thought, I wonder if SMS is trying to route through a service center number that isn’t valid.
[04:37] <pitti> sergiusens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8237747/ LGTM
[05:43] <hackersarchangel> well. Validated the SMSC number being correct.
[05:43] <hackersarchangel> I’ll pop in here tomorrow night and see if anyone can give me a hand on this bs.
[05:43] <hackersarchangel> later dudes/dudettes.
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <justCarakas> good morning all
[07:15] <mpt> jgdx, yes, just remove the menu, thank you
[07:18] <mpt> (I commented on the bug report)
[07:39] <asac> i experience very weird behaviour with system-settings... it sometimes just doesnt start and if it does so it never starts until reboot it seems
[07:40] <asac> just see splash animation forever
[07:41] <asac> hmm
[07:41] <asac> -rw-r-----  1 phablet  whoopsie  281922 Aug 28 15:11 _usr_bin_mtp-server.32011.crash
[07:41] <asac> maybe group id changed?
[07:41] <asac> -rw-r--r--  1 phablet       113       0 Aug 28 15:11 _usr_bin_mtp-server.32011.upload
[07:41] <asac> -rw-------  1 whoopsie      113       0 Aug 28 15:11 _usr_bin_mtp-server.32011.uploaded
[07:41] <asac> whoopsie log complains about some files cannot be accessed
[07:42] <asac> anyway ... my system is now in a state where i cannot open system settings app
[07:42] <asac> let me know what info i shall extract and put in abug
[07:47] <popey> asac: anything in ~/.cache/upstart relating to system-settings? (most recently logs)
[07:48] <popey> is it maybe out of disk space ☻
[07:48] <asac> popey: i have SO much stuff in upstart directory
[07:48] <asac> let me grep
[07:49] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8257476/ -> df -k
[07:49] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8257480/
[07:50] <asac> let me look into the unity8.log file, but those dont look like error messages at least
[07:51] <popey> asac: In upstart dir I'd just "ls -latr" and look for most recent thing with "setting" in the name
[07:51] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8257497/
[07:51] <asac> thats tail -n 100 on the unity8.log
[07:51] <asac> i  see ApplicationController::primaryPidForAppId FAILED to get PID for appId= "unity8-dash"
[07:51] <popey> did unity8 crash?
[07:52] <popey> I have seen problems re-starting apps when unity8 dies
[07:52] <asac> no
[07:52] <asac> let me look for stuff with settings in the name :)
[07:52] <asac> application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log
[07:52] <asac> wonder why its legacy :)
[07:54] <asac> cat /tmp/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log  | pastebinit
[07:54] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8257502/
[07:54] <asac> popey: so yesterday or so i had the unity dash also not starting (e.g. spinning forever)
[07:54] <popey> krillin?
[07:55] <asac> not sure where i had that
[07:55] <asac> right now i am on n4 with the settings thingy
[07:55] <asac> but i had that on krillin too i am sure
[07:55] <asac> cant say if unity crashed before
[07:55] <asac> could be
[07:55] <asac> but crash files dont have anything for two days
[07:55] <asac> except now the _usr_bin_system-settings.32011.crash
[07:56] <asac> which is new and seems its not getting uploaded to error tracker :/
[07:56] <popey> my system settings log looks same as yours fwiw
[07:56] <asac> ev: how is mission logging going for whoopsie?
[07:56] <asac> yeah
[07:56]  * asac keeps device in this state until some other ideas come up :)
[07:59] <ev> asac: do you have whoopsie 0.2.37? It should have more verbose logging with timestamps
[08:01] <asac> ev: i am on devel-proposed from yesterday
[08:02] <asac> 0.2.37
[08:02] <asac> so yeah
[08:02] <asac> ev: [09:40:05] Unable to parse report (/var/crash/_usr_lib_arm-linux-gnueabihf_url-dispatcher_update-directory.32011.crash): Unable to map report: Failed to open file '/var/crash/_usr_lib_arm-linux-gnueabihf_url-dispatcher_update-directory.32011.crash': open() failed: Permission denied
[08:02] <asac> this stuff i get
[08:02] <K1773R> i just updated my terminal app and its crashing while launching. known problem?
[08:03] <popey> K1773R: oh, interesting. let me see
[08:03] <popey> K1773R: what device?
[08:03] <asac> K1773R: splash screen spinning for ages before it crasehs?
[08:03] <K1773R> asac: no
[08:03] <K1773R> i see a black window fast slipping from right to left, tough it goes away once it reaches almost the left side
[08:03] <ev> asac: `ls -la` /var/crash please
[08:03] <K1773R> ie, the splash screen
[08:04] <asac> k not my issue
[08:04] <popey> K1773R: any logs in ~/.cache/upstart relating to terminal?
[08:04] <asac> ev: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8257541/
[08:04] <asac> ev: note that i want syste-settings submitted
[08:04] <asac> seems it falls over and doesnt even try that
[08:05] <asac> ok on call
[08:05]  * ev digs at the code
[08:06] <K1773R> popey: nope, checked for a file named *terminal*, none exists
[08:06] <K1773R> popey: tough there are many files in there
[08:06] <popey> K1773R: what device?
[08:07] <K1773R> popey: N4
[08:07] <popey> hmm, odd. launches fine here
[08:07] <K1773R> popey: can i reinstall terminal, maybe upgrade borked it
[08:07] <popey> oh hang on
[08:07] <popey> K1773R: did you just update terminal from store, nothing else?
[08:07] <K1773R> from settings
[08:07] <popey> right, okay.
[08:07] <K1773R> also 2 other packages, cant remember which
[08:07] <popey> try searching for terminal in the dash
[08:08] <popey> music probably
[08:08] <K1773R> but i restarted the phone
[08:08] <popey> oh ☹
[08:08] <popey> any other apps have issues?
[08:08] <popey> out of disk space (usual suspect)?
[08:08] <K1773R> all the others im using are working
[08:08] <K1773R> according to df nothing is full, / has 62M left
[08:09] <popey> try uninstall/reinstall
[08:09] <popey> (of terminal)
[08:10] <K1773R> install from store?
[08:11] <K1773R> reinstalling..., lets see
[08:11] <K1773R> fixed, it works again.
[08:11] <popey> phew!
[08:11] <K1773R> maybe not enough space while upgrading
[08:12] <popey> sorry, I don't know.
[08:12] <K1773R> no worries. alsong its fixed :)
[08:12] <K1773R> terminal is quite important
[08:12] <K1773R> thanks
[08:13] <popey> hehe, it is!
[08:23] <popey> Saviq: any idea why my krillin might not display anything. light is on, nothing displaying. I can see it's getting events because when I tap the screen I see this in the unity8 log... unhandled motion event action N (where N is 7, 9 or 10)
[08:24] <Saviq> popey, hmm never heard, sure it's not bug #1349735
[08:24] <Saviq> popey, try phablet-screenshot :)
[08:24] <popey> this is after a reboot
[08:24] <popey> but that bug is interesting to me though ☻
[08:24] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-09-05-092448.png
[08:25] <popey> hah, just unlocked it and its restarting
[08:28] <popey> Saviq: looks like mediascanner is endlessly respawning
[08:28] <popey> thostr_1: ^
[08:28] <Saviq> popey, any chance you got a weird locale?
[08:28] <popey> en_GB weird?
[08:28] <Saviq> popey, oh my, yeah, that can't work
[08:29] <Saviq> popey, but some logs from mediascanner upstart will be helpful (.crash maybe?)
[08:29] <popey> yeah, its done a crash, will file a bug
[08:29] <thostr_1> popey: it supposed to respawn once it crashes because of gstreamer
[08:30] <popey> every couple of seconds?
[08:30] <thostr_1> popey: but you should never have more than one instance running at a time
[08:30] <thostr_1> popey: depends, really. if it's still scanning a huge media collection that might happen
[08:30] <popey> its not huge
[08:30] <thostr_1> but once it has scanned everythign it's not supposed to happen any more
[08:31] <pitti> on today's devel-proposed image in the emulator, adb never comes online, even though I selected a PIN now
[08:31] <pitti> is that known/is there a workaround?
[08:32] <Saviq> pitti, toggle dev mode
[08:32] <Saviq> ogra_, ↑
[08:32] <pitti> ah, that's the bit without system-settings UI yet, right?
[08:32] <thostr_1> popey:let me know if respawning is still happening in 5 minutes
[08:32] <ogra_> pitti, it has system settings
[08:33] <ogra_> pitti, just not fully working
[08:33] <popey> thostr_1: its already been respawning for the last 20 mins
[08:34] <pitti> ogra_: hm, I searched my email archive for adb/developer mode, but no hit :/ what was the magic command again to enable that?
[08:34] <popey> thostr_1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8257741/ is the last 1000 lines of mediascanner-2.0.log which is growing very rapidly
[08:34] <thostr_1> popey: and I guess you don't have thousands of media files...
[08:34] <ogra_> pitti, i'm in the middle of an email
[08:34] <pitti> ogra_: ok, thanks
[08:34] <ogra_> just geting distracted all the time :P
[08:34] <ogra_> (by meetings and such :) )
[08:34] <popey> thostr_1: 68 songs, 15 videos
[08:35] <pitti> (dev mode is on in system-settings, BTW)
[08:35] <popey> Extracting metadata from /home/phablet/Videos/big_buck_bunny_480p_MPEG4_MP3_25fps_1600K.AVI.
[08:35] <thostr_1> popey: seems that blacklisting doesn't work...
[08:35] <popey> it doesn't like that
[08:35] <Saviq> pitti, yeah, I had to turn it off and back on to get it up on mako
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: so, can't say that much about the timezone bug until I can log into the device
[08:35] <thostr_1> popey: yes, but to prevent this we introduced blacklisting, so every file it doesn't like should only be tried once
[08:36] <pitti> Saviq: doesn't seem to help on the emulator
[08:36] <Saviq> :|
[08:37] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I don't have that issue atm, but I can ping you for debugging next time it happens
[08:37] <pitti> seb128: however, the reporters said that timedatectl worked, so I'm not sure it's timedated
[08:37] <pitti> seb128: polkit sounds plausible (the reporter called timedatectl as root)
[08:38] <pitti> but anyway, WFM :/
[08:38] <seb128> pitti, right, I've a feeling it's due to polkit
[08:38] <popey> thostr_1: i moved the videos out of the way and now its stopped crashing. do you want me to file a bug?
[08:39] <popey> Saviq: still just have the ubuntu logo spinny on screen ☹
[08:39] <Saviq> popey, so unity8 doesn't seem to start at all, can you see if it respawns as well?
[08:39] <thostr_1> popey: yes, please file a bug and assign directly to satoris
[08:40] <popey> thostr_1: ok
[08:40] <Saviq> popey, if it just sits there, please clear /var/crash of unity8 bugs and `pkill -ABRT unity8` and file a bug with the resulting .crash
[08:40] <satoris> popey: if you delete /home/phablet/Videos/big_buck_bunny_480p_MPEG4_MP3_25fps_1600K.AVI does it start working then?
[08:40] <popey> satoris: i moved all the videos out of the way, including that one
[08:41] <popey> satoris: i can put them all back, reboot and leave that one out to test
[08:41] <satoris> Please do.
[08:41] <popey> ok
[08:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Bring Your Manners To Work Day! :-D
[08:43] <popey> satoris: yes, its stopped respawning, doing that.
[08:43] <popey> satoris: then i copied the file in and it started crashing mediascanner instantly
[08:43] <satoris> Is this on N4 or krilling?
[08:43] <popey> krillin
[08:44] <popey> satoris: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8257835/
[08:48] <popey> satoris: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediascanner/+bugs shall i file a bug there?
[08:50] <popey> Saviq: do you need me to unpack the .crash or something?
[08:50] <justCarakas> what is krilling ?
[08:50] <popey> justCarakas: "krillin" - a phone.
[08:50] <justCarakas> ow :)
[08:50] <justCarakas> krillin reminds me of dragonball more than a phone :p
[08:50] <popey> there's a good reason for that ☻
[08:51] <Saviq> popey, apport-bug it please
[08:51] <popey> k
[08:51] <popey> Saviq: i have two crashes, one for unity8 and one for unity8-dash
[08:52] <satoris> popey: file a bug but no need to unpack the crash, I reproduced this locally. Fixing...
[08:52] <popey> satoris: k, thanks
[08:52] <popey> \o/
[08:53] <Saviq> popey, the unity8-dash is rather not interesting, because it probably just says "could not connect to unity8"
[08:55] <popey> satoris: bug 1365908 - thanks.
[08:55] <popey> Saviq: got it
[08:56] <popey> Saviq: http://pad.lv/1365910
[08:56] <pitti> ogra_: ah, so perhaps dev mode literally only accepts password, not a PIN?
[08:56] <Saviq> popey, subscribe me please
[08:57] <ogra_> pitti, it doesnt care
[08:57] <ogra_> oh, did i write password ?
[08:57] <ogra_> dang
[08:57] <pitti> ogra_: well, the pin vs. password and password vs. passphrase have been a bit blurred recently
[08:58] <pitti> ogra_: I think someone didn't like PIN (due to mixing it up with the SIM PIN), etc.
[08:58] <ogra_> pitti, yeah,i i'll writa a followup
[08:58] <ogra_> *write
[08:58] <pitti> ogra_: anyway, I mean I added the "4 numbers", not "arbitrary passphrase"
[08:58] <pitti> ogra_: cheers
[08:58] <ogra_> :)
[08:58] <ogra_> thanks for the heads up
[08:59] <popey> Saviq: done
[08:59] <Saviq> pitti, passcode (4-digit) vs. passphrase (freeform) ;)
[08:59] <pitti> ogra_: I'll try with a passphrase too, to see if that fixes it
[08:59] <ogra_> pitti, fixes what ?
[08:59] <pitti> ogra_: adb not coming up, even with dev mode and pin enabled
[08:59] <pitti> (what I asked some minutes ago)
[08:59] <ogra_> adbd treats passwd or pin exactly the same
[09:01] <pitti> emulator-5554offline
[09:02] <pitti> yeah, doesn't help
[09:11] <ogra_> sigh
[09:11] <Chipaca> Laney: do you know who would be best to ask questions about the system update bits of system settings? in particular the dbus interface
[09:12] <Chipaca> ogra_: 'sup?
[09:12] <ogra_> so if the dash would start i could probably try to fix the mtp issue
[09:12] <ogra_> Saviq, i assume you have a bug open for that ?
[09:12] <ogra_> (dash sitting forever at the start animation)
[09:12] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, bug #1362619
[09:12] <ogra_> ok
[09:13] <Saviq> this is getting annoying indeed, and I'm not clear yet on what happens there :|
[09:15] <seb128> Chipaca, Laney is on vac, gatox would be the person to ask but I think he's on vac as well, then you can try barry or didrocks
[09:15] <Chipaca> seb128: durn holiday-makers :)
[09:15] <Chipaca> diddledan_: OHI :D
[09:15] <seb128> hehe
[09:15] <seb128> Chipaca, what's your question?
[09:15] <pitti> ogra_: just to be on the same page, this didn't yet land in RTM, right? (I have image 23 on my mako)
[09:15] <pitti> and adb is still on/root
[09:16] <ogra_> pitti, right
[09:16] <ogra_> only in utopic
[09:16] <pitti> ok, so can only test this with the emulator right now
[09:17] <ogra_> pitti, oh, its your rtm image that it broken ?
[09:17] <ogra_> *is broken
[09:17] <Chipaca> seb128: i'm wanting to make the push helper do the right thing wrt https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Prompting as much as possible, and looking at the dbus api i'm not sure whether i need to check the connection (if it's "only download on wifi") myself before calling calling stuff
[09:17] <pitti> ogra_: no, RTM is fine; I ran ubuntu devel-proposed in the emulator (to test something else), and I noticed that adb never came up
[09:17] <pitti> ogra_: that got the latest devel-proposes from an hour ago (can't say which, as I don't have shell/adb)
[09:17] <ogra_> pitti, hmm, i guess we need to have a --password option there
[09:18] <pitti> ogra_: well, I did set a password in the wizard
[09:18] <ogra_> (since you cant use ubuntu-device-flash)
[09:18] <pitti> and it asks me for the pin
[09:18] <seb128> Chipaca, hum, that's probably a question for barry I guess
[09:18] <ogra_> pitti, weird
[09:18] <Chipaca> seb128: ok
[09:18] <Chipaca> mpt: question for you wrt https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Prompting
[09:18] <ogra_> pitti, i fear i need sergiusens or rsalveti for that one :(
[09:18] <didrocks> Chipaca: I designed this API, one sec, there is a method for that :)
[09:19] <didrocks> (just need to find back the wiki page we wrote with barry)
[09:19] <Chipaca> mpt: if a broadcast notification of a system update available comes in, and the user is not on wifi and has opted to only download when on wifi, can i treat it as if they'd opted to never auto-download?
[09:19] <Chipaca> didrocks: thanks!
[09:19] <Chipaca> mpt: because otherwise i'd have to hang around waiting for wifi, which has several problems
[09:20] <didrocks> Chipaca: you have CheckForUpdate(), if you call that and you are on autodownload mode (with the current system requirements matching), it will download it
[09:20] <Chipaca> didrocks: aha! and how do i know when it finished?
[09:21] <Chipaca> didrocks: and does it hang around waiting for wifi if it's only on wifi? :)
[09:21] <Chipaca> didrocks: (i need to know when it finished, because that's when i need to present the notification to the user)
[09:21] <didrocks> Chipaca: you listen to the UpdateDownloaded() signals
[09:22] <Chipaca> didrocks: is that only used for system updates, or do i need to filter?
[09:22] <didrocks> there are some scenarios available
[09:22] <didrocks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades/Client -> Mock scenarios
[09:22] <didrocks> you wait to read Normal update in auto mode
[09:22] <Chipaca> hah! internal server error
[09:22] <didrocks> Chipaca: only for system updates AFAIK
[09:23] <didrocks> Chipaca: there is a system image update mock available if you need it for your tests that barry built from that
[09:23] <Chipaca> didrocks: does that page work for you?
[09:23] <didrocks> it does
[09:23]  * didrocks opens a new tab
[09:23] <Chipaca> 500'ing here :-/
[09:23] <didrocks> oh, same now
[09:23] <Chipaca> in fact all the wiki seems kaput
[09:24] <didrocks> yep
[09:24] <didrocks> Chipaca: meanwhile http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/tmp/ImageBasedUpgrades.html
[09:25] <Chipaca> it's back
[09:25] <didrocks> roh ;)
[09:25] <didrocks> Chipaca: so, if you go to that category and are able to run the mock one (ask barry for it, I don't remember how exactly), you can even run scenarios
[09:25]  * Chipaca poked IS people, but unsure whether the recovery was due to that :)
[09:25] <didrocks> like --testing=update-auto-success
[09:26] <didrocks> that will help you for developping I guess :)
[09:27] <Chipaca> didrocks: thanks!
[09:27] <didrocks> yw :)
[09:27] <Chipaca> this is going to be easier than i feared :)
[09:29] <didrocks> yeah, fortunately for oyu, I needed this backend heavily to develop the UI :)
[09:30] <didrocks> (and for integration tests)
[09:38] <satoris> popey: the respawn loop has been fixed already but for reasons we don't yet know, the package in rtm is too old to have the fix.
[09:43] <satoris> popey: could you get me the output of running this command on device: sqlite3 ~/.cache/mediascanner-2.0/mediastore.db 'SELECT * FROM broken_files;'
[09:50] <asac> this meme app
[09:50] <asac> who wrote that?
[09:51] <ichigo-roku> Hi
[09:51] <ichigo-roku> What's the difference between devel-proposed and ubuntu-rtm devel-proposed ?
[09:53] <asac> ichigo-roku: devel-propose is coming out of utopic (trunk) archive
[09:53] <asac> ichigo-roku: ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed is getting produced from our "stableization" archive
[09:54] <ichigo-roku> asac, OK thanks a lot!
[09:54] <asac> ichigo-roku: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm thats the distro that hosts our branch
[09:58] <justCarakas> If I wasn't planing on switching to ubuntu touch I would probably buy a moto 360, they are going on sale today
[09:59] <ev> asac: haven't lost sight of your issue, but found a few more along the way
[10:00] <asac> no worries
[10:04] <asac> ev: would be good to know if there is a global crash reporting regression in here
[10:04] <asac> like nothing works for anyone anymore with the new version
[10:05] <asac> of course talking about touch
[10:16] <popey> satoris: I had to roll my phone back to image 16 because unity wouldn't start, but this is the result of that command http://paste.ubuntu.com/8258408/
[10:19] <ev> asac: the whoopsie process is running as the whoopsie user, yes?
[10:19] <Mirv> renatu: hi! could you put to your todo list to look at the qtpim/qtorganizer5-eds crash reports? both seem similar, but not identical. bug #1365666 and bug #1354162
[10:23] <asac> ev: let me check
[10:23] <asac> ev: whoopsie  2324     1  0 Sep04 ?        00:00:05 whoopsie -f
[10:23] <asac> seems os, yes
[10:23] <asac> s
[10:23] <asac> o
[10:23] <asac> bah!!!
[10:23] <ev> heh
[10:25] <ogra_> sergiusens, we urgently need to drop the hardcoded "adb force hack" from init.rc
[10:25] <ogra_> (and make sure that u-d-f actually sets the property when --developer-mode is set (not sure we have this yet))
[10:29] <ev> asac: can I have your /var/log/apport.log and the full whoopsie log?
[10:29] <ev> it's interesting that the report it's complaining about still got uploaded
[10:30] <ev> and that this even happened - by the time that you listed the directory, whoopsie had access. So I'm wondering if apport hasn't made the file readable yet, but the inotify event still fired.
[10:31] <ev> also, what's this group 113?
[10:33] <asac> ev: sure ... sec
[10:33] <asac> ev: odd i only have rotated whoopsie logs
[10:34] <ev> no apport log?
[10:34] <asac> ev: sorry my bad :)
[10:34] <asac> ev: cat apport.log whoopsie.log  | pastebinit
[10:34] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8258530/
[10:35] <asac> ev: the crash dir is still the same: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8258538/
[10:35] <vitimiti> Did my question arrive before the lag killed me or...?
[10:36] <asac> vitimiti: depends when it was ... dont seee anything from you for last hour or so
[10:36] <asac> just repost in doubt
[10:36] <vitimiti> asac, then it didn't, thanks
[10:36] <vitimiti> Is it possible, using QML just for the "looks" and C++ for functions to download some files into a specified directory, or is the app limited to its cache folder even when using C++?
[10:37] <asac> vitimiti: i think we have a separate channel for app dev questions like this... but dont ask me which one it was
[10:38] <asac> i thoguth it was #ubuntu-appdev or something... but that is empty :P
[10:38] <asac> anyone?
[10:38] <vitimiti> asac, sorry, I thought I was speaking there, my bad
[10:38] <vitimiti> I'm in it, yeah
[10:38] <asac> ah so you know that channel
[10:38] <asac> vitimiti: which is it?
[10:38] <vitimiti> Yeah
[10:38] <vitimiti> #ubuntu-app-devel
[10:38] <asac> cool
[10:38]  * asac tries to remember for next time
[10:38] <vitimiti> haha
[10:40] <ev> asac: so there was no /var/log/apport.log? What you pastebin'ed just has output from whoopsie.
[10:41] <ev> note that it's not world readable
[10:41] <asac> ev: there was an apport.log ... i cat it in the first post first
[10:41] <asac> let me see
[10:41] <asac> ev: its empty
[10:42] <asac> guess rotated?
[10:42] <asac> want the p0revious?
[10:42] <ev> or it never had anything to say
[10:42] <ev> sure
[10:42] <asac> ev: the timestamp of the previous is before the timestamp of the crash thouygh i thihnk
[10:42] <asac> ev: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8258600/
[10:42] <asac> soemthing is fishy there
[10:43] <asac>  date
[10:43] <asac> Fri Sep  5 12:43:10 CEST 2014
[10:43] <asac> so at least my date is not off
[10:43] <asac> guess apport just didnt lock or touch those files at all
[10:43] <asac> poor apport. i am sure it is stuck in hell somewhere suffering :P
[10:45] <asac> ev: i dont know... feels weird. i have crashes that got dumped and processed on sep 5
[10:45] <asac> so apport is quiet if all is fine"?
[10:45] <asac> maybe we dont even need apport anymore :)?
[10:45] <asac> just whoopsie
[10:45]  * asac the disconnected manager
[10:47] <nik90_> Saviq: Are you still facing bug 1362083 ?
[10:48] <ev> :)
[10:48] <ev> still need something to shovel data from the kernel into a report file
[10:49] <asac> guess that should be in systemd :P
[10:51] <ev> pitti: shouldn't the call to os.chmod(..., 0644) happen before os.chown(..., ..., whoopsie)? Otherwise we could have a race where the file is visible to whoopsie (presumably the condition for the inotify event) before it's readable?
[10:52] <ev> in data/apport, this is
[10:53] <pitti> ev: hm, but that would introduce a race where whoopsie would see a readable file without being able to access it -- if that's not a problem, we can swap it
[10:54] <pitti> ev: I'm off for an appointment now, but will read scrollback later
[10:56] <ev> hm
[10:56]  * ev ponders how to avoid a race either way here
[11:06] <victor_bq> hi john
[11:09] <Chipaca> didrocks: does CancelUpdate cause a firing of UpdateFailed?
[11:10] <didrocks> Chipaca: it shouldn't IIRC
[11:10] <Chipaca> didrocks: :(
[11:10] <didrocks> Chipaca: it's a sync call and will return an error if it couldn't cancel
[11:10] <didrocks> otherwise, it's a noop
[11:11] <Chipaca> didrocks: so if i'm hangign around waiting for an update in one process, and cancel it from another, the first one doesn't find out and carries on waiting forever?
[11:13] <didrocks> Chipaca: valid indeed, I guess you can safely change the spec on that with Barry
[11:15] <Chipaca> barry: ping
[11:31] <pirpi_> hi all
[11:35] <pirpi_> i want to install ubuntu on android tablet
[11:36] <pirpi_> means I want to remove android and install ubuntu from scratch
[11:40] <pirpi_> ???????????????????????
[11:41] <K1773R> follow the install guide on the wiki
[11:43] <pirpi_> please provide a link
[11:44] <ogra_> see the channel topic
[11:47] <pirpi_> No I have a china tablet I just want to remove android from it and install ubuntu touch
[11:51] <pirpi_> they have given steps for nexus 7 tab
[11:52] <pirpi_> ????????????????????
[11:54] <satoris> popey: could you try the following: "stop mediascanner-2.0; rm -rf .cache/mediascanner-2.0; start mediascanner-2.0" and then cp the problematic file to ~/Videos?
[11:55] <asac> pirpi_: if the tablet isnt supported and listed on wiki, it won't work out of box and you need to be an engineer to port it
[11:55] <asac> thanks!
[12:01] <jgdx> good day all
[12:02] <vitimiti> good day
[12:11] <moskvicheff> Hi All!
[12:11] <jibel> Saviq, is there a report for the "unity dash doesn't start" bug?
[12:11] <moskvicheff> Does anyone know what handles Power button pressing on nexus 5? I'm trying to deliver backlight fix for the hummerhead..
[12:19] <moskvicheff> anyone?
[12:20] <justCarakas> someone, but maybe not here on this channel
[12:20]  * justCarakas hides
[12:20] <ogra_> moskvicheff, first of all the kernel ... one layer up there is powerd ...
[12:20] <Tassadar> my guess it is inside MIR, but I have no idea where
[12:21] <ogra_> and one more level up there is Mir
[12:21] <Tassadar> well kernel just delivers the key press event, a good starting point would be the place where it is handled as "suspend the device" action
[12:23] <pirpi_> ?????????????
[12:23] <barry> Chipaca: morning!
[12:24]  * cwayne1 assumed it was a powerd bug
[12:24] <Chipaca> barry: heya!
[12:24] <cwayne1> no real reason why, just kinda assumed :)
[12:24] <Chipaca> barry: so, i'm wanting to implement as much as wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Prompting as i can (at least wrt system updates)
[12:24] <barry> didrocks: btw, `man system-image-dbus` gives you the full api
[12:25] <Chipaca> barry: that means, when a push notification about a system update comes in, if the user has opted to not download automatically, i do as i do now and show the notification. if not, i trigger a download, and show the notification when it's done
[12:26] <Chipaca> barry: so far, no problem
[12:26] <Chipaca> barry: now, if while i'm derping around waiting for the download to finish i get *another* notification, what do i do?
[12:27] <Chipaca> barry: i thought i could call CancelUpdate from the new notification's helper, and the old notification's helper would get a UpdateFailed and everybody would be happy
[12:28]  * Chipaca waits for ack or questions
[12:29] <barry> Chipaca: i'm with you so far
[12:30] <Chipaca> barry: so. can we make cancelupdate throw a signal? (if it does already, and the above which is only theoretic is wrong, even better)
[12:30] <barry> Chipaca: CancelUpdate() will emit an UpdateFailed signal *if* downloading is in progress.  if it's not, no signal
[12:31] <Chipaca> hmmm
[12:31] <barry> at least, that's its current behavior
[12:31] <barry> Chipaca: i saw reference to the --testing server above.  it's possible the mocks don't have exactly the same behavior (that would be a bug)
[12:32] <Chipaca> barry: would it be hard to make it fire the signal always?
[12:34] <barry> Chipaca: probably harder to fix the test suite than the code :)  it's a 1 line removal to always emit the signal.  otoh, it seems a little counter-semantic (meaning, if you cancel an update that is not in progress, an update-failed signal is a bit misleading, i.e. nothing was happening that could have failed)
[12:34] <barry> Chipaca: but i guess i'm not totally philosophically opposed to that
[12:34] <Chipaca> barry: i'm open to other ways to do what i want to do :)
[12:35] <barry> Chipaca: alternatively, we could create another signal which specifically acknowledges the CancelUpdate was acted upon.  E.g. continue to emit UpdateFailed only if a download is in progress, but additionally, always emit a (new) Cancelled signal
[12:36] <ogra_> pitti, bug 1365990 ... if you didnt file one yet
[12:36] <Chipaca> barry: that would be perfect
[12:36] <barry> Chipaca: cool.  would you file a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image
[12:37] <barry> Chipaca: please indicate the urgency of the request (i.e. needed for rtm, can wait until after, etc)
[12:37] <Tassadar> moskvicheff: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/utopic/view/head:/src/platform/graphics/android/real_hwc_wrapper.cpp#L102 I think this turns off the screen
[12:38] <Tassadar> bad news is that that blank() method is inside a proprietary blob, I _think_
[12:38] <Chipaca> barry: hmm. it's to work properly in a bit of a corner case, but the basic feature is rtm
[12:38] <Tassadar> what does that part of MIR even link with
[12:38] <barry> Chipaca: it's cool either way, i just need to know for scheduling purposes
[12:38] <Tassadar> like, is it a device-specific build? surely it can't be
[12:39] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: you around?
[12:39] <Chipaca> barry: i'll file the bug, add scheduling bits once people wake up :)
[12:40] <Chipaca> barry: unrelatedly, did you know `system-image-cli --dbus` failed?
[12:40] <Tassadar> oh, you made libhardware an ubuntu package
[12:40] <Chipaca> barry: bug 1365991
[12:41] <Tassadar> and it is in fact libhybris, nice
[12:41] <barry> Chipaca: got it
[12:46] <pmcgowan> Chipaca, yes sir
[12:47] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: i've found a bit of work for barry to do :) it's for a corner case of the system update notification, which is fairly unlikely to happen and only mildly confusing to the user if ti happens. Should I mark the bug as for rtm?
[12:48] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: i'm asking you because you were the one prompting me about the system update notifications a while back, but i could ask asac or lucio instead if it's better
[12:49] <Chipaca> "wishlist rtm" :)
[12:52] <asac> Chipaca: details?
[12:53] <asac> you speak in vague words :)
[12:53] <moskvicheff> Thanks for giving a clue, folks!
[12:53] <Saviq> jibel, yeah it's bug #1362619
[12:53] <Chipaca> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/1365991
[12:54] <jibel> Saviq, thanks
[12:54] <Chipaca> asac: i can describe the corner case, too, if you think it'd add to the bug
[12:55] <Saviq> 015704
[12:56] <Saviq> 743851
[12:57]  * ogra_ notes down Saviq's credit card pins+
[12:57] <pmcgowan> Chipaca, does cancel work in general?
[12:57] <pmcgowan> this is special case?
[12:57] <jibel> Saviq, my device is currently stuck on unity8-dash starting, do you need more info or I can reboot it?
[12:57] <pmcgowan> Chipaca, but if downloadling is not in progress, then the dialog to install r not now is presented? or do I misunderstand
[12:58] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: AFAIK cancel works in general
[12:58] <jibel> time to change your pin code
[12:58] <asac> Chipaca: its hard for me to understand the impact on the user experience if we dont do this for rtm
[12:58] <Saviq> ogra_, /me uses this channel as a sounding board for yubi 2fa while trusted prompts don't survive focus changes
[12:58] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: if a new notification of system update arrives, i want to cancel the previous download
[12:58] <asac> maybe clarifying that will help undersanding priority
[12:58] <ogra_> Saviq, lol
[12:58] <Chipaca> asac: ok, will add to the bug
[12:59] <Saviq> jibel, reboot, it's relatively reproducible
[12:59] <Saviq> more and more so, unfortunately
[13:01] <pmcgowan> Chipaca, looking at barry's reply he said you get a signal if download is in progress, if its done, then wouldnt the user already see the dialog to install
[13:03] <barry> Chipaca: can you explain what it means to "cancel the previous download" if it's already been downloaded?
[13:05] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: barry: asac: added a paragraph to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/1365991 -- let me know if it needs more explaining
[13:05] <Chipaca> of course, another way of fixing this is to have the system updates itself take care of when to do the notification & etc
[13:06] <Saviq> nik90_, yeah, I've an old alarm that doesn't actually work and that I can't remove
[13:06] <Saviq> nik90_, old as in I created it probably 2 months ago or something
[13:06] <pmcgowan> Chipaca, right I thinks thats the part I missed, why barry would need to do anything
[13:06] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: got it now?
[13:07] <pmcgowan> Chipaca, my two cents is thats a good thing to fix but not critical for rtm
[13:07] <barry> Chipaca: another question: is the order of signal emits important when both an UpdateFailed and a Cancelled signal would be emitted?
[13:07] <pmcgowan> at least I cant come up with a likelihood that scenario would occur
[13:08]  * barry is not even sure dbus guarantees signal delivery order
[13:08] <Chipaca> barry: the order wouldn't be important to me, because I'd bail on either
[13:09] <Chipaca> barry: yes there is an ordering guarantee; libnotify uses that to good effect
[13:10] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i've got the battery-check branch all working... with just one bug to fix
[13:11] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i updated it to use the batter level from indicator-power, which is reliable
[13:11] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, how about 25% as the threshold?
[13:14] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, does desktop do this today? we could use the same number
[13:14] <kenvandine> nope
[13:14] <kenvandine> i was thinking 25%
[13:14] <kenvandine> i'm worried about making it to low
[13:14] <barry> Chipaca: i just thought of something: every time you call DownloadUpdate() you should get a signal in all termination cases.  let's say you are in the middle of downloading and you call CancelUpdate().  you will get an UpdateFailed signal.  but lets say instead that before you can cancel it, the download completes, then you'll have already gotten an UpdateDownloaded signal and the CancelUpdate will no-op.  so i think you already have
[13:14] <barry> all the signals you need to decide whether the process waiting for the download should terminate or not.  it always terminates on UpdateDownloaded or UpdateFailed, and you should be guaranteed to get one or the other every time you call DownloadUpdate()
[13:14] <kenvandine> over time, the battery could discharge faster
[13:15] <barry> Chipaca: i'm not sure a Cancelled signal gives you any more information
[13:15] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, yeah I have one of those
[13:15] <kenvandine> so if the battery is old, 10% might only last a few minutes
[13:15] <asac> Chipaca: i follow pmcgowan's assessment. I think its not wishlist, but a real bug that isn't critical for rtm, but also not super low. i would put it as high, but for postrtm unless barry runs out of critical issues
[13:15] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, ok lets start there
[13:16] <Chipaca> barry: when you said it only emitted UpdateFailed if a download was in progress I understood it to mean that if a download was not in progress because you weren't on wifi or had no network or whatever, you'd get no signal
[13:18] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, is that the threshold when the indicator turns red? I think it is
[13:18] <pmcgowan> which would be consistent
[13:19] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, ok, also i'm finding some alarming problems that can only be reproduced on krillin
[13:19] <kenvandine> not sure
[13:19] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, for example... i can't change the timezone or change language on krilling
[13:19] <kenvandine> 2014-09-05 02:21:03,781 - WARNING - QDBusConnection: name 'org.freedesktop.timedate1' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.274'
[13:19] <barry> Chipaca: right.  so let's say you never called DownloadUpdate() for whatever reason, but went straight to CancelUpdate().  there'd be no signal because nothing ever happened.  but that seems kind of silly to do (why would you cancel an update if one never was started).  but once a download is started, it should always end in an UpdateDownloaded or UpdateFailed signal
[13:19] <kenvandine> is what i see in the logs when trying to change timezone
[13:19] <kenvandine> (process:2482): AccountsService-WARNING **: SetLanguage call failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Accounts.Error.PermissionDenied: Authentication is required
[13:20] <kenvandine> (process:2482): AccountsService-WARNING **: SetFormatsLocale call failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Accounts.Error.PermissionDenied: Authentication is required
[13:20] <kenvandine> when changing language
[13:20] <kenvandine> but only on krillin
[13:20] <barry> Chipaca: the only thing a Canceled signal would tell you is "yes, you just called CancelUpdate".
[13:20] <Chipaca> barry: but i don't call DownloadUpdate, i call CheckForUpdate()
[13:20] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, have you seen any bug reports for things like this?
[13:20] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i'm not seeing any in my searches, but would be surprised if nobody else has noticed this
[13:21] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, dont think so, wonder if the file permissions are goofed up
[13:21] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, does it cause it to fail?
[13:21] <kenvandine> yes
[13:21] <kenvandine> neither works
[13:21] <kenvandine> also... i have a problem when trying to change the passphrase
[13:21] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, any denials in the syslog?
[13:21] <kenvandine> but only on krillin too
[13:21] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, we're unconfined...
[13:21] <Chipaca> barry: which I understood to DWIW wrt waiting for wifi to download stuff & etc
[13:21] <kenvandine> but i can look
[13:22] <barry> Chipaca: right, so if you call CheckForUpdate() you will always get an UpdateAvailableStatus signal.  if you called CFU() while automatic downloads are enabled, it too will always end in an UpdateDownloaded or UpdateFailed signal.  if manual downloads are in progress, you never get the UD or UF signals because no download was initiated
[13:22] <kenvandine> mterry, i'm still seeing that error about display hint when changing the passphrase, but i can only reproduce that on krillin
[13:22] <pmcgowan> thats true
[13:22] <kenvandine> mterry, and with some of these other issues that i can only reproduce on krillin, i'm wondering if we have a problem with AccountsService on krillin
[13:22] <Chipaca> barry: I'm more confused, now :)
[13:22] <pitti> ogra_: adb bug> thanks, subscribed
[13:23] <mterry> kenvandine, oh we do!  but more like policykit
[13:23] <ogra_> not adb, emulator :P
[13:23] <kenvandine> ah ha!
[13:23] <kenvandine> mterry, so known?
[13:23] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, maybe  ogra_  has a thought related to user changes etc
[13:23] <kenvandine> is there a bug?
[13:23] <barry> Chipaca: yeah, me too. ;)  maybe we should schedule a call?
[13:23] <mterry> kenvandine, I spent all day tracing it down.  Bug 1365095
[13:23] <ogra_> pmcgowan, about what exactly ?
[13:23] <mterry> kenvandine, which points to a secondary bug at the bottom, with additional info
[13:23] <mterry> kenvandine, looks like some sort of race right now
[13:24] <pmcgowan> ogra_, seems mterry  just explained
[13:24] <kenvandine> ah... so that could totally cause these issues in settings
[13:24] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah, problems all over the place
[13:24] <kenvandine> sigh
[13:24] <Chipaca> barry: +1 :) in ~3 hours + would work for me
[13:24] <kenvandine> well... it means probably only one thing to fix :)
[13:24] <pitti> ogra_: I followed up with a clarification; it's not just an issue of creating an emulator with a default pwd; even when setting one it doesn't work
[13:24] <ogra_> pmcgowan, good ... i dont touch user credentials :)
[13:24] <kenvandine> and magically everything will be good
[13:25] <mterry> kenvandine, one hopes
[13:25] <barry> Chipaca: that would work for me
[13:25] <ogra_> pitti, right, but the cration tool adds varioud hacks ... they all need to be adjusted
[13:25] <pitti> *nod*
[13:25] <Chipaca> barry: ok, i'll poke you about then
[13:25] <ogra_> pitti, (annd i sadly neither know go nor do i have a clue about "which hacks")
[13:26] <ogra_> waiting for sergiusens to get up and help a bit with that
[13:26] <barry> Chipaca: sounds good
[13:28] <Saviq> "This password is too long" ORLY? When are we? 1970?
[13:33] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i added settings as affected by bug 1365886
[13:38] <Saviq> dholbach, hey, do you know for bug #1365975 what plan do we have? I know for clicks we're going for in-.desktop translations, are we doing the same for .deb-based apps still? or do we, where possible, go for X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain?
[13:38] <Saviq> dholbach, and/or do we have something to extract translations from .po files and into .desktop?
[13:38]  * Saviq recalls webbrowser-app having such a contraption
[13:42] <kenvandine> seb128, sorry, i should have moved the battery-check branch to WIP, it is mostly working now but not really ready
[13:42] <dholbach> Saviq, I can't quite remember... pitti: ^
[13:42] <kenvandine> seb128, only problem i have still is the "Not now" button doesn't seem to do what it should :)
[13:42] <pitti> Saviq: yes, it's called intltool-merge
[13:43] <pitti> it's quite a standard thing to do, there's also autotools supprot for it (pretty much every desktop-ish package does that)
[13:43] <Saviq> pitti, ok cool, will mention that on the bug
[13:43] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, ack
[13:43] <Saviq> pitti, for .deb based apps, do we still go for gettext-based translation or are we going full inline?
[13:44] <pitti> Saviq: pkgbinarymangler strips translations from .desktop files and replaces them with X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain:; which is what we want on teh phone as well ideally, if/once unity8 gets along with that
[13:44] <kenvandine> seb128, i wish BatteryInfo sucked less... like seems silly i can't just use a chargingState property
[13:45] <mterry> ogra_, do you know how to pass arguments to /sbin/init on a device?
[13:45] <kenvandine> instead of listening for state changes and doing hacky stuff
[13:45] <Saviq> pitti, right, so we need to support both approaches anyway, understood
[13:45] <pitti> Saviq: as static translations in .desktops always need a package rebuild, thus you can't fix/update them with new langpacks
[13:45] <pitti> Saviq: well, if X-U-G-Domain: works, it's also fine to exclusively use that
[13:45] <Saviq> pitti, but that doesn't work for .clicks does it?
[13:45] <pitti> Saviq: ah, right
[13:46] <Saviq> so yeah, both ways it is, not like it's a huge task anyway
[13:46] <ogra_> mterry, onyl via kernel cmdline
[13:46] <Saviq> dholbach, wasn't there a generic bug somewhere about .desktop file translations already?
[13:46] <mterry> ogra_, and how to modify that?  I'm used to desktops where I can recovery boot
[13:46] <pitti> Saviq: I suppose unity8 isn't using glib by any chance? (that already implements all that)
[13:47] <dholbach> Saviq, I can't remember to be honest
[13:47] <pitti> Saviq: oh, so it does build-dep on libglib2.0-dev
[13:47] <Saviq> pitti, well, yeah, we do use it in places already
[13:47] <Saviq> pitti, but were using gettext directly
[13:47] <ogra_> mterry, no idea for krillin ... for mako we ship a script
[13:48] <mterry> ogra_, oh I did not suspect they would differ
[13:48] <Saviq> pitti, we're also using QSettings to read the .desktop files, but we might decide otherwise if glib does us good
[13:48] <mterry> ogra_, what do we do for mako out of curiousity?  I wanted to do it for both devices
[13:48] <ogra_> mterry, there is append-cmdline-arg and remove-cmdline-arg ... but i suspect krillin will explode if you use that
[13:48] <pitti> Saviq: ah, ok; I was thinking GDesktopAppInfo, but I had assumed that our Qt packages have a similar patch to support X-U-G-D
[13:48] <pitti> Saviq: otherwise Kubuntu would have a problem
[13:49] <ogra_> mterry, not sure you can modify the cmdline for krilling without rebuilding the device tarball
[13:49] <Saviq> pitti, well, right, unfortunately K != Q for now, bringing anything K would bring a lot of KDE that we don't want
[13:49] <mterry> humph
[13:49] <Saviq> pitti, so GDesktopAppInfo might actually be something we'd use, we'll have a look, thanks!
[13:50] <pitti> Saviq: right; I'm afraid I don't know much about the Q/K architecture, i. e. at which place the support for gettext-desktop files lives
[13:51] <pitti> Saviq: if that's impractical for any reason, FTR these are the relevant patches: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/glib2.0/debian/patches/01_gettext-desktopfiles.patch?revision=41160&view=markup
[13:51] <pitti> Saviq: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/glib2.0/debian/patches/02_gettext-desktopfiles-ubuntu.patch?revision=41160&view=markup
[13:51] <pitti> Saviq: it's split as the first one was suppose to go upstream eons ago, and the second one just adds X-Debian- and X-Ubuntu- aliases for X-GNOME-Gettext-Domain
[13:54] <Saviq> pitti, great, thanks
[13:55] <pitti> Saviq: please feel free to ping me with questions (although I wrote it some 7 years ago, but it's still fairly easy)
[13:55] <Saviq> pitti, yeah, we'll manage, thanks
[13:55] <ogra_> mterry, so what can i do about the denied permission for the dbus command to disable the edge intro ?
[13:56] <ogra_> mterry, i suspect there is some permission missing in the pkla ?
[13:56] <mterry> ogra_, only guaranteed solution so far is to downgrade to lightdm 1.11.7
[13:56] <ogra_> for accountservice
[13:56] <ogra_> mterry, that wont help developer mode or the smoke-tests to succeed :P
[13:56] <mterry> ogra_, I know!  I'm looking into it
[13:57] <mterry> ogra_, some race condition on boot, which is why I was trying to pass --debug to init
[13:57] <ogra_> ok, so you are sure it is the same issue you have in other dbus related places ?
[13:57] <mterry> ogra_, yah the problem is that the cgroup information for the session isn't set correctly
[13:57] <ogra_> ok
[13:57] <mterry> ogra_, so policykit doesn't think the session is part of a logind session
[13:57] <ogra_> thnen i wont bother hacking phablet-tools
[14:02] <seb128> pmcgowan, do you know who maintains "sync-monitor"? I've typo/translations fixes sitting there, I would like to do a landing but I failed to get reviews
[14:02] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ maybe you can do trivial reviews on that? ;-)
[14:02] <seb128> kenvandine, pmcgowan, e.g https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/sync-monitor/synchronization-typo/+merge/232171
[14:02] <pmcgowan> seb128, yeah, renatu  I believe
[14:02] <seb128> renatu, hey, can you review ^?
[14:02] <mdeslaur> sergiusens: in case you haven't seen it, bug 1365886 may be related to your bug yesterday
[14:02] <mdeslaur> ubot5: wake up
[14:02] <seb128> mpt_, you might want to assign yourself to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1334257 (I can't do it for ubuntu-ux bugs)
[14:02] <dbarth> seb128: hi, i have new pacakges for you to check the location branch
[14:02] <dbarth> seb128: do you have time for a quick check?
[14:02] <seb128> dbarth, hey, sure, where is it?
[14:02] <dbarth> silo 17
[14:02] <dbarth> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-017
[14:02] <seb128> dbarth, k
[14:02] <seb128> jgdx, hey, while you are looking at the os details, do you want to fix the panel not being scrollable? ;-)
[14:02] <seb128> jgdx, you probably just need to set the flickable and change the anchor of the colum to be left/right
[14:02] <jgdx> seb128, sure
[14:02] <jgdx> seb128, I've updated [1] with a bunch of fixes. It's not perfect, but a major change of this panel warrants a different bug, ux work and another branch. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-1365167-numerous-custom-background-issues/+merge/233376
[14:02] <jgdx> imo
[14:02] <jgdx> :)
[14:02] <seb128> jgdx, k, looking to that in a bit
[14:02] <jgdx> thanks
[14:03] <charles> jibel, what's the bug # for that time-displayed-is-off-by-a-few-minutes bug that you and seb128 were seeing a few days ago?
[14:04] <sergiusens> mdeslaur: thanks, I'll subscribe
[14:04] <seb128> charles, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1365530
[14:04] <jibel> charles, it was only yesterday not few days :) bug 1365530
[14:04] <charles> that was only yesterday? oog :)
[14:05] <charles> jibel, seb128, thanks
[14:05] <jibel> charles, the screenshot on the report shows only 1 minute difference but I saw a 10 minutes difference
[14:05] <jibel> but not as bad as previous bug
[14:06] <seb128> I again had a 6 minutes difference here
[14:06] <seb128> it tends to fix itself in less than a minute also
[14:06] <seb128> but if you use your phone as a watch and take it out of the pocket, turn it on, look at the time on the lock screen ... then it's a fail
[14:06] <ogra_> updating the clock shoudl simply be the first task in the wakeup process
[14:07] <charles> jibel, are you seeing it always fix itself after a minute too?
[14:07] <jibel> charles, yes
[14:07] <charles> ok
[14:08] <jibel> I agree with seb128, you cannot use the phone as a watch
[14:16] <rovout> hi
[14:19] <mpt_> thanks seb128, done
[14:19] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[14:20] <seb128> jgdx, that "vertical single value" mp is weird, it doesn't fix the bug listed in the vcs name, does it?
[14:23] <Tassadar> rsalveti: ping
[14:26] <jgdx> seb128, vcs? You don't see the full device image part for spanish?
[14:26] <jgdx> I do
[14:27] <seb128> jgdx, sorry, I though the bug was about the "OS ..." on the about page itself
[14:27] <seb128> not in the subpage
[14:34] <seb128> jgdx, ok, comment approved, you might want to change the contact info to not list mardy there
[14:34] <seb128> jgdx, let me know if you want to change that, so I can change the status after you are done
[14:37] <jgdx> seb128, what's appropriate? Moi?
[14:38] <jgdx> seb128, thanks, pushed
[14:43] <seb128> jgdx, yeah, or just drop the line
[14:43] <Marzel> Does somebody know, which version of ubuntu for devices is the newest for Nexus 4? (dev-branch) Or: When comes the next update?
[14:45] <kenvandine> Marzel, version?  our latest utopic-proposed image # is 224
[14:45] <kenvandine> Marzel, if that's what you mean
[14:46] <kenvandine> Marzel, i guess you probably mean the promoted image... not sure on that ;)
[14:46] <Marzel> Ok, I have 203. The last two updates came OTA. The new one not?
[14:47] <kenvandine> Marzel, they will be OTA
[14:47] <kenvandine> that might be the last promoted image
[14:47] <Tassadar> dobey: just found out why the backlight stays on on n5
[14:47] <kenvandine> Marzel, once all the tests pass another image will get promoted, then you'll see it
[14:48] <Marzel> kenvandine, strange....
[14:48] <Tassadar> ubuntu first blanks the screen and then sets the brightness to 0, android first sets brightness to 0 and then blanks the screen
[14:48] <kenvandine> Marzel, strange?
[14:49] <kenvandine> we don't promote images until all our tests pass, etc
[14:49] <Marzel> kenvandine, yes, because my nexus doesn't show me a new update....
[14:49] <kenvandine> Marzel, right... i suspect you have the latests
[14:49] <kenvandine> 224 is for the utopic channel
[14:49] <kenvandine> which hasn't passed yet
[14:50] <Marzel> And branch-channel?
[14:50] <matv1> hey all. Connecting to a wifi network that uses PEAP authentication fails on UT. but i seem to remember hearing that one could edit some network config files manually to get this to work
[14:50] <Marzel> Sry, dev-channel?
[14:50] <matv1> is this true and if so: which files?
[14:50] <kenvandine> Marzel, 203 is the latest
[14:50] <kenvandine> i just confirmed
[14:50] <Marzel> matv1: If I connect to peap, it turns wifi off and on again and then it does nothing... :D
[14:51] <matv1> Marzel how do you connect? the UI doenst even give me a prompt
[14:52] <dobey> Tassadar: oh, ok
[14:52] <Marzel> matv1: Sorry, I mean, if I select the network
[14:52] <Tassadar> I'm not entirely sure what to do about it
[14:52] <dobey> Tassadar: will you propose a fix then? :)
[14:52] <matv1> Marzel ah yes. thats the same for me
[14:52] <Tassadar> I need somebody who knows what sets the brightness to 0 after you press power button
[14:52] <Tassadar> I can hack over it in kernel drivers, but I think what ubuntu does is wrong
[14:53] <matv1> Marzel but i think I heard that you could manually edit the network file
[14:54] <matv1> Marzel on desktop that would be /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[14:54] <Marzel> Tassadar: If you write a bash-script turning all GPIOs to 0, the display brightness goes to 0. But I dont think, that this is a good idea... :D
[14:54] <Tassadar> why would I write such script
[14:54] <matv1> Marzel but that obviously not there on UT
[14:54] <Tassadar> I know what's wrong)
[14:55] <Marzel> I did it and had this as result. But I don`t give any garanty.... ;)
[14:55] <Marzel> And I don't know, if i you break something....
[14:57] <Marzel> matv1: This file (/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections) exists at the phone, too.
[14:57] <Marzel> Somebody here knowing, how to control the notification-LED?
[14:58] <jgdx> brendand, lol @ bug 1350809
[14:58] <brendand> jgdx, why lol? just cause it's a weird bug :) ?
[14:58] <jgdx> brendand, yeah :p
[14:59] <jgdx> and it happened just like ye had predicteth
[15:00] <Marzel> kenvandine, is dev 203 newer than utopic 224?
[15:01] <matv1> Marzel: aha! Thanks I assumed that would be elsewhere on touch. I will try creating a file for a peap connection and see what happens
[15:01] <matv1> matv1 should never assume  :)
[15:02] <kenvandine> Marzel, no... utopic-proposed is the same as devel-proposed
[15:02] <kenvandine> which is newer than utopic (same as devel)
[15:02] <kenvandine> Marzel, so that's where development happens, and when all regression testing passes it goes to devel
[15:04] <Marzel> Ok. So, if I understand it correctly, 224 is coming? Or is there any mistake (in my mind)? :)
[15:04] <kenvandine> something later than 224 is coming :)
[15:05] <kenvandine> 224 hasn't passed everything needed to be stable enough
[15:05] <kenvandine> and we usually get at least one new image a day
[15:05] <kenvandine> sometimes several a day
[15:05] <kenvandine> until all the tests pass
[15:05] <Marzel> Ah ok.
[15:05] <kenvandine> deeming it stable enough for devel
[15:07] <Marzel> I've wondered, because after install ubuntu for devices there came some updates every some days and now it took "a long" time... ;)
[15:08] <kenvandine> Marzel, just 2 weeks :)
[15:08] <kenvandine> Marzel, we're working very hard to stabilize the latest round of features
[15:08] <Marzel> Yes. :)
[15:09] <Marzel> Its all ok. ;)
[15:10] <Marzel> kenvandine, Do you know, if there is any changelog for the updates (system and/or apps)? :)
[15:11] <kenvandine> http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu/
[15:11] <kenvandine> Marzel, for some reason the latest there is 221
[15:11] <kenvandine> which was yesterday
[15:11] <dobey> Marzel: the changes in the latest version of an app are displayed in the preview for the app, in the apps scope
[15:12] <Marzel> kenvandine, Thank you very much! :)
[15:12] <Marzel> dobey, you, too. :)
[15:13] <kenvandine> Marzel, no problem
[15:16] <seb128> jgdx, did you get design guidance/talk to mpt about the background import workflow/strings?
[15:22] <jgdx> seb128, filed a bug and asked about the action, but no more than that.
[15:22] <seb128> jgdx, k
[15:23] <cwayne1> sergiusens: hey, does the golang gettext stuff  you guys are using for account-polld format currency as well?
[15:24] <sergiusens> cwayne1: I don't know; we are just using it for translation strings
[15:25] <sergiusens> cwayne1: it seems it should work
[15:27] <sergiusens> cwayne1: I actually don't know how that is supposed to be annotated
[15:59] <Tassadar> okay, I have found a setBrightness call in dbus-monitor, but the server is anonymous - "sender=:1.12". Can I somehow find out which process sent it?
[15:59] <anpok> just updated nexus4 and adb is disabled. tried enabling it again - I am supposed to pick a passphrase?
[15:59] <Tassadar> *the sender is anonymous...
[16:08] <ogra_> anpok, yep
[16:08] <ogra_> anpok, or a pin
[16:20] <Tassadar> finally, found the place where screen is turned off/on
[16:20] <Tassadar> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-system-compositor-team/unity-system-compositor/trunk/view/head:/src/screen_state_handler.cpp#L162
[16:20] <Tassadar> first it turns the panel off/on in display->configure and _then_ it sets the brightness
[16:21] <Tassadar> is there anybody who works on that code in unity-system-compositor?
[16:28] <ogra_> Tassadar, #ubuntu-mir does
[16:28] <Tassadar> thanks
[16:29] <rickspencer3> hey, has anyone heard anything about keyboard not appearing on nexus 4 on current rtm image?
[16:30] <ogra_> rickspencer3, only right after the wizard has run
[16:30] <rickspencer3> ogra_ restart fixes it?
[16:30] <ogra_> yep
[16:31] <rickspencer3> thanks ogra_
[16:31] <ogra_> :)
[16:35] <Tassadar> well, I guess I'll start a bug and talk with rsalveti what he thinks is the best way to handle this once he's available
[16:38] <jgdx> later
[16:50] <Tassadar> ogra_: I need to build a single ubuntu touch package to test a fix (unity-system-compositor), is there a way to do that without building the whole rootfs?
[16:50] <Tassadar> I suppose I could do it on the device with apt-get build-dep and apt-get source
[16:51] <ogra_> yeah
[16:52] <Tassadar> how do you turn on the developer mode these days?
[16:54] <ogra_> Tassadar, you set a pw and siggle the switch
[16:54] <ogra_> *toggle
[17:18] <Tassadar> ogra_: hmm, where is the switch supposed to be?
[17:18] <ogra_> about this device -> developer mode
[17:20] <Tassadar> oh yeah
[17:20] <Tassadar> thanks
[17:37] <Tassadar> that's probably the first time I build a package on a phone)
[17:37] <Tassadar> fortunatelly, it is pretty small one)
[18:02] <rsalveti> Tassadar: sorry, what is the issue?
[18:02] <rsalveti> ogra_: so it seems you already fixed the adb issue on the emulator, right?
[18:02] <ogra_> rsalveti, nope
[18:02] <ogra_> rsalveti, sergiusens was looking into it
[18:02] <rsalveti> ogra_: and regarding the offline issue?
[18:02] <ogra_> rsalveti, but then got dragged away into heloing with pull-lp-source
[18:02] <Tassadar> rsalveti: eeh, right now nothing, I think I solved it in the mean time, I'll write if I'll need anythin after all, sorry.)
[18:02] <sergiusens> ogra_: well I thought the test setup has more priority, doesn't it?
[18:03] <ogra_> *helping
[18:03] <ogra_> sergiusens, definitely
[18:03] <rsalveti> Tassadar: sure, no worries
[18:03] <rsalveti> ogra_: mind triggering a new image so we can include your latest adb changes?
[18:04] <ogra_> rsalveti, dev mode wont enter rtm before monday, so we have the weekend
[18:04] <ogra_> rsalveti, waiting for rmadison, buut yeah, that was my plan
[18:04] <rsalveti> argh, still in proposed
[18:04] <sergiusens> Ursinha: where's the documentation for the archive's getPublishedSources?
[18:04] <rsalveti> ogra_: cool
[18:04] <rsalveti> sergiusens: can you force developer mode by default when creating the emulator then?
[18:05] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I think that was what I wanted
[18:05] <sergiusens> rsalveti: but asked for bzoltan's input on password
[18:05] <rsalveti> alright, otherwise that will probably break the sdk
[18:05] <sergiusens> I was thinking of a default password as well
[18:05] <ogra_> ++
[18:05] <rsalveti> yeah, sounds fine
[18:05] <ogra_> just 0000
[18:05] <ogra_> :)
[18:05] <ogra_> i'll use that in phablet-bootchart too
[18:07] <sergiusens> Ursinha: found the lp docs, finally :-)
[18:12] <Ursinha> bookmark it this time :P
[18:17] <taiebot> Hello. No-one has confirmed this bug yet it is quite bad though has it can leave you with an unusable dash still happening on r226. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1362769
[18:31] <Tassadar> dobey: fixed it \o/ - https://code.launchpad.net/~vbocek/unity-system-compositor/fix-hammerhead-backlight/+merge/233572
[18:31] <dobey> Tassadar: awesome!
[18:32] <Tassadar> I have a .deb with the fix if you want it right now)
[18:32] <K_Peignot_> @awe_ Hi,  Still have the ofono problem, so I updated the bug report with syslog etc
[18:33] <K_Peignot_> nota : here is the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1366132
[18:33] <Tassadar> looks like it even enters deep sleep now
[18:38] <dobey> kgunn: ^^ any chance we could get that branch from tassader landed? is unity-system-compositor yours?
[18:40] <K_Peignot_> Hi anyone (@awe_ if you're there ;-) ), I would need assistance in manually viewing the crash file via apport-cli (and it seems installing ofono -dbg package too) for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1366132
[18:40] <awe_> K_Peignot_, I'm here... just was in the middle of something else.  Give me 5m...
[18:41] <K_Peignot_> @awe_  No problem
[18:49] <mterry> ogra_, I keep getting "device offline" when I try to adb in
[18:49] <mterry> ogra_, is that something I did wrong after this new adbd stuff?
[18:50] <ogra_> mterry, mako or krillin ?
[18:50] <kgunn> dobey: u-s-c, yeah...lemme see if i can get someone to review
[18:50] <mterry> ogra_, krillin
[18:50] <mterry> ogra_, on devel-proposed channel
[18:50] <awe_> K_Peignot_, can you please check the file /var/lib/urfkill/saved-states?
[18:50] <awe_> see if WWAN is set to soft=true
[18:50] <ogra_> mterry, the fix fr that sits stuck in utopic -proposed for some reason ...
[18:50] <awe_> your modem is currently offline, and there's a known bug re: this file getting out of sync
[18:50] <ogra_> mterry, sudo chgrp phablet /dev/android_adb
[18:51] <ogra_> mterry, in the terminal -app ... then toggle dev mode off and on
[18:51] <ogra_> that should get you going
[18:51] <kgunn> Tassadar: hey there, did you test that change on n4 ?
[18:51] <Tassadar> no, I don't have one
[18:51] <mterry> ogra_, thanks!  will try
[18:51] <Tassadar> kgunn: I can try it on flo though
[18:52] <kgunn> Tassadar: it's ok, we'll take a look
[18:53] <K_Peignot_> @awe_ [WWAN] soft=true
[18:53] <awe_> K_Peignot_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/urfkill/+bug/1321627
[18:53] <mterry> ogra_, beautiful, worked
[18:53] <awe_> as root, stop urfkill
[18:53] <dobey> kgunn: cool, thanks
[18:53] <awe_> edit the file, change to false and then reboot
[18:54] <awe_> you should be back online
[18:54] <ogra_> mterry, great, then the pending fix works too :)
[18:54] <awe_> K_Peignot_, sorry you hit this, a fix is in-progress, hopefully will lend next week
[18:55] <mterry> ogra_, I have to do that every boot!
[18:55] <mterry> ogra_, :(
[18:56] <K_Peignot_> Ah this is a great new ! is there a way (setting it to false maybe) to avoir reinstalling ?
[18:56] <ogra_> mterry, yeah, a udev rule is in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/android-tools/4.2.2+git20130218-3ubuntu30
[18:56] <ogra_> mterry, you could also just copy the adbd udev rule around from 70 to 98
[19:06] <kdub> has anyone been successful building qtmir under sbuild?
[19:07] <K_Peignot_> @awe_ just read the workaround in the bug, thanks a lot !
[19:07] <dobey> what the heck is this "DOWNLOAD MODE" graphic?
[19:07] <awe_> K_Peignot_, no problem.  Glad to be of assistance
[19:07] <K_Peignot_> @awe_ I marked my bug as a duplicate
[19:07] <K_Peignot_> @awe_ thanks again !
[19:08] <Tassadar> kgunn: just tried it on flo, works fine
[19:10] <kgunn> ta
[19:15] <sergiusens> Ursinha: there is no good search tool for bookmarks though :-P I have too many :)
[19:19] <nikwen> sil2100: I've got notifications for five system updates today, with only two of them being listed here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/
[19:20] <nikwen> sil2100: Therefore, I'm worried that builds 205 - 207 aren't official ones.
[19:20] <nikwen> sil2100: Would you be so kind as to tell me whether they are?
[19:20] <nikwen> sil2100: Sorry, I meant builds 225 - 227.
[19:22] <Ursinha> sergiusens: :) I used bookmarks a long time ago, and for that there was http://del.icio.us (before there was cloud) :)
[19:22] <sil2100> nikwen: so, I think those are builds that only had the barebones changed, so not sure if those will be visible there...
[19:22] <Ursinha> now I just use google
[19:22] <sergiusens> yeah, same
[19:22] <sil2100> nikwen: not completely sure, will have to look deeper into that
[19:23] <dobey> anyone know why adb would not be running after flashing with --developer-mode ? the switch is "on" in "about this phone" but adb on my workstation isn't finding the phone
[19:23] <nikwen> sil2100: So that means that they are still from the official Ubuntu servers?
[19:24] <nikwen> dobey: You need to set a password or pin, otherwise adb won't start.
[19:24] <dobey> nikwen: only if you didn't flash with --developer-mode
[19:25] <ogra_> dobey, adb wont start if there is no password set
[19:25] <nikwen> dobey: Check this thread: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09773.html
[19:25] <ogra_> (by design)
[19:26] <dobey> that sucks
[19:26] <nikwen> dobey: I don't like that either.
[19:26] <ogra_> its not complete yet .. it will get worse
[19:26] <dobey> i want to not have to care about security on this device that has no sim and never leaves my desk unless i'm going to a sprint
[19:26] <ogra_> dobey, so flash with --developer-mode --password=0000
[19:27] <dobey> ogra_: i don't want to have to type 0000 every time i unlock the screen, even if it is only 0000 or 1234
[19:28] <ogra_> dobey, complain to the security team ... as i said, not done yet ... it will also require you to unlock the screen if you reconnect to adb
[19:29] <ogra_> same behavior that mtp has since a few days
[19:29] <dobey> jdstrand: ^^
[19:30] <jdstrand> dobey: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings/ProtectingUserData and please don't complain to me. this is what came after agonizing conversations surrounding customer requirements
[19:30] <dobey> oh, "adb shell" is not root any more either
[19:31] <ogra_> right, not differemt to any other ubuntu :)
[19:31] <jdstrand> also, also, note:
[19:31] <jdstrand> Either:
[19:31] <jdstrand>     adb should only accept new connections if screen is unlocked, or
[19:31] <jdstrand>     Authenticate new computers to adb if it is enabled
[19:32] <ogra_> right
[19:32] <jdstrand> once the 'Authenticate new computers' bit is there, the other can be lifted
[19:32] <jdstrand> we want 'Authenticate new computers' in the long run
[19:32] <ogra_> well, that also needs you to unloc the screen and accept the cert then
[19:32] <ogra_> but only once at least
[19:32] <jdstrand> yes, but that is only once
[19:32] <jdstrand> that solve's dobey's issue
[19:32] <dobey> jdstrand: i'm fine with it for actual phones that will get sold; i just want to be able to completely disable it for the device that i'm flashing and having to install random packages on all the time, to test
[19:33] <jdstrand> solves*
[19:33] <ogra_> jdstrand, no, dobeys issue is that he needs a pw at all and needs it now on the UI
[19:33] <ogra_> in all other cases
[19:33] <jdstrand> I thought dobey's issue was having to enter a password to unlock the screen to use adb
[19:34] <ogra_> well, and to onlock it at any other point in time
[19:34] <ogra_> *unlock
[19:34] <dobey> my complaint is having to have a pin/password to unlock the screen at all, when i want to have adb enabled.
[19:34] <ogra_> i guess just unlocking for adb would be a minor annoyance compared to the amount of unlocks you have to do otherwise ...
[19:35] <jdstrand> so, between authenticating computers and modifying sudoers, should be able to do whatever
[19:35] <ogra_> but we cant really have a fullly open phone
[19:36] <jdstrand> dobey: in the future, you would set a PIN, authenticate your computer so adb recognizes it, then use swipe to unlock
[19:37] <ogra_> jdstrand, since i had to hack up adbd so heavily and it will not work for porters the way it is now ... i was wondering to build another deb with a developer version ... we could probably make that circumvent security ...
[19:37] <dobey> then in the future i hope i don't have to use --wipe ever
[19:37] <ogra_> so if you make your image writable anyway and install debs you could have an open adb installed
[19:38] <ogra_> one that doesnt have any of these requirements
[19:38] <jdstrand> that is probably possible. it is likely another long conversation which I would rather not have now :P
[19:38] <ogra_> no, more for post rtm anyway
[19:38] <ogra_> somethign to talk about over a beer at the sprint :)
[19:38]  * jdstrand nods
[19:48] <dobey> now how the heck do i make console.info() work in qml
[19:52] <kenvandine> dobey, are you by chance trying to get output from ubuntu-system-settings?
[19:53] <kenvandine> dobey, if so... console.info gets eaten
[19:53] <kenvandine> otherwise you should get it in the upstart log
[19:53] <dobey> kenvandine: no, from the pay-ui app
[19:53] <kenvandine> try bumping it to console.warn
[19:54] <dobey> well console.debug wasn't working either
[19:54] <kenvandine> it won't
[19:54] <kenvandine> well
[19:54] <dobey> it should
[19:54] <kenvandine> it doesn't in system-settings :)
[19:54] <kenvandine> so maybe pay-ui has the same issue
[19:54] <kenvandine> only console.warn works
[19:54] <kenvandine> someday i'll debug that ;)
[19:55] <dobey> dunno about system settings
[19:55] <kenvandine> dobey, i spent so much time trying to figure out why i couldn't get console.debug to work... until someone told me to use console.warn
[19:55] <dobey> but the c++ qDebug() are going to the console for pay-ui
[19:55] <dobey> (at least, they are here)
[19:55] <ogra_> kenvandine, lol, same here
[19:55] <kenvandine> ogra_, fun isn't it :)
[19:56] <ogra_> yeah
[19:56] <kenvandine> dobey, just try console.warn...
[19:56] <dobey> console.rum()
[19:56] <kenvandine> that's even better!
[20:00] <dobey> http://www.yellow5.com/pokey/archive/pokey160_1.gif
[20:02] <dobey> kenvandine: do you mean system-settings, or online-accounts, for your debug() troubles?
[20:03] <kenvandine> system-settings
[20:03] <kenvandine> i think online-accounts has the same problem
[20:03] <kenvandine> i think anything mardy touched does :)
[20:03]  * kenvandine blames mardy :-p
[20:05] <kenvandine> dobey, i think qDebug in the cpp works fine, just console.debug that doesn't
[20:05] <dobey> well, the ubuntuone plug-in has a log handler to format the log output in the same way we were doing with python in u1
[20:05] <dobey> kenvandine: console.warn isn't working for me either, though :)
[20:05] <kenvandine> dobey, ok... sorry... i tried to help :)
[20:06] <dobey> ugh, storm clouds
[20:07] <dobey> and it's 16:00 already :-/
[20:42] <jdstrand> sergiusens: hey, are there i386 versions of terminal or file manager clicks somewhere?
[20:45] <sergiusens> jdstrand: no really
[20:45] <sergiusens> jdstrand: these packages need some rework for that
[20:45] <jdstrand> ok
[20:48] <sergiusens> jdstrand: more than anything, it's ci work
[20:49] <jdstrand> I need to figure out how to do fat packages for permy
[20:49] <jdstrand> last I checked, the sdk didn't really do that for me
[21:54] <anpok> ogra_: is there a default password?
[21:54] <tedg> anpok, No, it's what you set it to.
[21:54] <anpok> because it did not accept the pins i entered
[21:55] <anpok> and so i tried to enter a password
[21:55] <tedg> mhall119, popey, is the file manager generating URLs for the file? https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/ae7eff84-3529-11e4-aa89-fa163e707a72
[21:55] <anpok> and well left the previous password empty
[21:55] <anpok> entered a new one .. it did not accept it
[21:55] <anpok> .. left the phone a lot for a few minutes
[21:56] <anpok> picked it up again .. password locked \o/
[22:21] <matv1> does anyone know of a way to get peap authentication for wifi to work (manually i guess)
[22:22] <matv1> i have tried manually creating a connection file in networkmanager
[22:22] <matv1> no such luck though
[22:22] <popey> tedg: i don't understand what's going on there
[22:23] <tedg> popey, file manager is sending a "file:///*" URL to URL Dispatcher, and URL dispatcher is saying that it can't process it.
[22:23] <tedg> popey, In general, we can't process file:/// URLs.
[22:23] <matv1> i thought i heard people say (i think on here) that it could be done though
[22:24] <popey> matv1: I've not seen how to, would be interested to know
[22:24] <popey> tedg: hmm, not sure how that's happening.
[22:25] <popey> tedg: feel free to file a bug if you think it's doing something Bad™  and the guys will look at it.
[22:25] <tedg> popey, Heh, if you don't, then I really don't :-)
[22:25] <popey> haha
[22:25] <tedg> popey, I guess I don't know bug or feature.
[22:25] <popey> well I dont know what would get to that state
[22:25] <ahayzen> matv1, i would be interested as well as when i go back to university next week they use PEAP with MSCHAPv2 :/
[22:25] <tedg> popey, The right way to handle files it to pass them to content hub.
[22:25] <popey> I mean, I can see how it could poorly construct a file url, its plausible
[22:26] <matv1> ahayzen yes same here. well i work in education and we use eduroam (which uses that protocol)
[22:27] <popey> tedg: I wonder if the user has done something odd like symlink log in documents to /var/log
[22:27] <popey> so they can quickly get to log files in the app?
[22:27] <matv1> ahayzen its been i fight as well to get it to work on desktop untill 14.04 when a final bug dealing with certs was fixed
[22:28] <popey> ahayzen: I'd be interested in debugging that when you get back!
[22:28] <tedg> popey, No, it shouldn't matter. The filemanager should *never* send a file:/// URL out.
[22:28] <matv1> so i was hoping it would be integrated into touch as well
[22:31] <ahayzen> matv1, hmmm mine has worked since like 13.04 on the desktop...
[22:31] <ahayzen> popey, yep same....android has a UI...i think or some automated way of doing it...you connect to connect@brookes first which gets you the cert and then to eduroam..i think
[22:32] <popey> thats it, eduroam
[22:32] <ahayzen> matv1, thats basically what i did IIRC http://obis.brookes.ac.uk/wireless/wireless_setup_Linux.html
[22:32] <ahayzen> popey, matv1 and thats the android setup http://obis.brookes.ac.uk/wireless/Android.html
[22:32] <matv1> ahayzen there was a nasty bug in networkmanager where it refused connection if no certificate was accepted
[22:32] <ahayzen> hmm maybe u don't need connect@brookes then what was that for lol
[22:33] <ahayzen> oh u have to register for eduroam before you can use it so u have to use connect@brookes and then u can use eduroam :P god security lol
[22:33] <tedg> popey, bug 1366217
[22:33] <matv1> haha i know
[22:33] <ahayzen> matv1, ah i see...but mine was working so i guess my certificate was good?
[22:34] <matv1> ahayzen it would seem so
[22:35] <ahayzen> matv1, i was quite surprised my university even had instructions for linux lol
[22:36] <matv1> ahayzen yes this linux thingy must be catching on!
[22:37] <matv1> ahayzen popey but i am all good on the desktop now. So would i just do a bug report that it doesnt work on touch? i mean to get the ball rolling on that?
[22:37] <ahayzen> :) it is
[22:37] <matv1> which would be weird as that is explicitely stated on the touch install webpage
[22:38] <ahayzen> matv1, just of interest does it work if you copy the config over manually?
[22:39] <matv1> ahayzen no it doesnt work. I tried editing a config file today over several hours
[22:39] <ahayzen> matv1, ah ok :(
[22:47] <popey> matv1: i think we already have a bug for it
[22:47] <popey> i filed one a year ago
[22:47] <ahayzen> popey, do you use PEAP as well?...or have some place you use it?
[22:47] <popey> bug 1241986
[22:47] <matv1> popey aha great minds think alike! just some more slowly :)
[22:48] <popey> ahayzen: at OggCamp last year in Liverpool they gave us free wifi, it was at Liverpool University
[22:48]  * ahayzen subscribes and marks as 'affects me'
[22:48] <ahayzen> popey, ah probably eduroam then? hehe
[22:49] <popey> yes, it was
[22:49] <popey> you can't connect behind a proxy either
[22:49] <ahayzen> popey, did it work for longer than 5minutes for any device for u ;) lol ... it usually disconnects on any platform and just dies if more than 2 people try and use the same access point aha
[22:49] <ahayzen> silly thing
[22:50] <popey> yeah, it was a bit ropey
[22:50] <ahayzen> hah
[22:51] <popey> ahayzen: and in answer to your question, no I don't have any other PEAP networks to connect to
[22:51] <popey> hence why I'm interested in some debugging
[22:51] <ahayzen> popey, probably a good thing ;) ... yeah u can use me when i get back :)
[22:51] <popey> thanks
[22:57] <matv1> popey ahayzen i can be called on to try stuff as i work inside an eduroam institution every day. And i am inside the it department as well so thats sometimes usefull
[22:57] <popey> excellent thanks
[22:57] <ahayzen> matv1, awesome :)
[22:57] <popey> i would be interested to see in what way it fails if you use "phablet-network" to copy your laptop nm config over
[22:58] <popey> in theory it should work, but i expect there is some dialog we don't implement, some tick box to say "accept cert" or somesuch
[22:59] <matv1> popey yeah as i said that issue existed as well on desktop for a long time. actually you should even be able to ignore the cert
[23:00] <matv1> but all that stuff is handled in the config file and i tried a million ways but it always fails
[23:01] <popey> matv1: capture logs next time ☻
[23:01] <popey> matv1: might need to increase network manager logging or something
[23:02] <matv1> popey okay i will try that on monday
[23:03] <matv1> popey and attach the logs to the bug
[23:03] <popey> yay
[23:15] <matv1> Am i correct in my understanding that pop will not be supported in the new trojita email core app?
[23:17] <matv1> i know pop is not the greatest protcol in the world but really a lot of providers use it still (exclusively)
[23:17] <matv1> so i would be sad
[23:36] <doflaherty> matv1, I think the app is being built on an existing library that only supports IMAP
[23:37] <matv1> doflaherty yes but i believe at some point there was talk of extending that to pop
[23:38] <matv1> but i cant really find any discussion about that now. so maybe my wishfull thinking only :)
[23:40] <doflaherty> I hadn't seen anything about it, sorry
[23:41] <matv1> doflaherty no worries, I will get by :)
[23:42] <matv1> still, i believe that would one of the major issues for a lot of potential users not  offering any support for pop mail
[23:42] <doflaherty> how common is pop3 compared to imap?
[23:43] <matv1> i cant give you any figures. but its not niche or anything
[23:45] <matv1> i am thinking that canonical might be more verbal about not taking that on in the pop support in the coming core app. Maybe then some community app coders would decide to have a stab at that
[23:46] <nhaines> matv1: as the email app is merely a port, I suspect that it won't support POP3 until Trojita does.
[23:46] <nhaines> matv1: but Canonical has also stated that an email client is not a core app and never will be.
[23:46] <doflaherty> yeah, they've been pretty clear about it being a side project
[23:48] <matv1> nhaines hum are you sure about that?
[23:48] <nhaines> Yup.
[23:48] <matv1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/EmailClient does not really give that impression to me
[23:50] <nhaines> They told me very clearly, in chat and in person, that they're not wasting any effort on it for RTM, and after that would be up in the air.
[23:52] <matv1> yes i am understanding that now as well. All i am saying is, if that would be communicated more clearly -especially the non support for pop3- some other effort would start to get an app together that does pop mail
[23:53] <matv1> for instance the wiki even says: Must Have: I want to add/modify email settings for a POP3/IMAP account
[23:55] <matv1> nhaines maybe the easiest thing would be to not call it an email client but an imap client
[23:56] <nhaines> POP3/IMAP clients also don't support any of the other dozen email protocols out there.  I can't rememember the last time I saw a POP3-only email provider.
[23:57] <matv1> nhaines I can ;)
[23:59] <matv1> as doflaherty said: it would be interesting to see figures
[23:59] <nhaines> matv1: then email them and say 1986 called and it's time to pick a better protocol.  ;)
[23:59] <matv1> nhaines haha agreed!