[00:19] <rick_h_> bah, shold have looked harder for your nick aisrael
[00:19] <rick_h_> I was trying to tab complete stone<tab> and ar<tab>
[00:19] <rick_h_> not sure what I thought the second one was lol
[00:49] <smoser> hey. aisrael welcome. saw your response above as: madam, I'm adam
[01:31] <jrwren_> cmaloney: Duanne overdosed on heroine I'm not sure if I'd call that bucking the trend.
[01:31] <jrwren_> cmaloney: some of their best material is after he is gone :(
[03:25] <cmaloney> jrwren_: Kind of my point, though Dwayne did mark a turning point for the band
[11:24] <rick_h_> morning
[11:24] <rick_h_> and such
[13:37] <brousch_> jrwren_: You bought a $60 Android tablet and expect it to be a good device representative of Android?
[13:58] <cmaloney> good morning
[13:58] <cmaloney> Who wouldn't? :)
[14:01] <brousch_> I just read the article on Windows 8 with Bing. They run everything from compressed images, on slow CPUs with 1GB RAM?!
[14:01] <brousch_> http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-fights-android-and-chrome-os-with-dirt-cheap-windows-8-1-pcs-and-tablets-7000033274/
[14:02] <brousch_> Most likely from low end flash RAM that gets slower over time
[14:02] <brousch_> flash memory
[14:03] <jrwren_> yes.
[14:03] <jrwren_> why wouldn't it?
[14:03] <jrwren_> I can buy the cheapest apple iOS tablet and it is an excellent repreentation of iOS.
[14:03] <brousch_> You are being silly
[14:03] <jrwren_> brousch_: I know :)
[14:04] <jrwren_> I really should try a $300 android tab for comparison.
[14:04] <brousch_> But now i kind of want this Windows tablet to see if it actually runs at all
[14:04] <jrwren_> can't compare software... have to compare products at same price points.
[14:05] <brousch_> And how do updates apply to the compressed system images?
[14:05] <brousch_> It would be a miraculous feat of engineering if it actually worked
[14:07] <jrwren_> agreed.
[14:08] <jrwren_> I really need someone to teach me how to use android some day.
[14:08] <jrwren_> because, for me,  its harder to use than emacs
[14:10] <brousch_> I have an iphone user transitioning to Android right now. So far no problems
[14:10] <brousch_> I was surprised as he was a fairly gung-ho Apple guy
[14:12] <jrwren_> brousch_: maybe 4.1 was extra bad.
[14:12] <jrwren_> brousch_: I can't find apps. They get installed, adn tehy show up 20 pages to the right on the "desktop"
[14:12] <jrwren_> UNUSABLE!
[14:12] <brousch_> I really don't even remember 4.1. I went 2.3 to 4.03 to 4.2+
[14:13] <jrwren_> it might not even be 4.1
[14:14] <brousch_> Well all of the apps are in the app drawer. How that's sorted depends on what your manufacturer decided to use
[14:14] <jrwren_> http://www.amazon.com/Avatar-Sirius-S702-R1B-2-7-Inch-Tablet/dp/B00CWKVJOW%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB00CWKVJOW
[14:14] <jrwren_> yup, 4.1
[14:14] <jrwren_> *sigh* app drawer... sometimes I remember how to find that. sometimes I don't.
[14:15] <brousch_> usually it's the middle icon on the bottom row of every home screen
[14:15] <jrwren_> I should stop my bitching and root the thing.
[14:16] <brousch_> though it is possible to delete it. then the default physical button will usually open it too
[14:16] <brousch_> hm, maybe not
[14:17] <brousch_> jrwren_: You should be running Ubuntu Touch!
[14:17] <jrwren_> brousch_: if I knew how to install it on there, I would.
[14:22] <brousch_> I feel like it's taking a long time to become available
[14:32] <cmaloney> geez, you folks are wordy this morning.
[14:33] <jrwren_> Its friday.
[14:33] <brousch_> :P
[14:33] <brousch_> jrwren_ got me all worked up
[14:33] <jrwren_> brousch_ loves the android. I don't even understand it.
[14:34] <brousch_> I like Android. It's not perfect, but it's sort-of Linux in everyone's pocket
[14:34] <brousch_> I would prefer a full OS, exspecially on tablets
[14:34] <brousch_> The 'x' is for 'extra'!
[14:36] <jrwren_> hahaha, thanks for calling it "sort-of Linux" :)
[14:37] <jrwren_> Its Linux in that its a fork of the kernel, only. Beyond that kernel fork it has almost nothing else in common with other Linux distros.
[14:37] <brousch_> It's Linux, Jay, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it.
[14:37] <jrwren_> brousch_: if that is a star wreck reference, you have made my day.
[14:37] <brousch_> :-D
[14:38] <jrwren_> There's Klingons off the starboard bow... scrape 'em off captain.
[14:41] <brousch_> hm, there's an x86 emulator image for Ubuntu touch. I don't remember that before
[14:42] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE
[14:42] <cmaloney> That's the reference ^^
[14:49] <wolfger> brousch_++
[14:49] <wolfger> OMG, it's on YouTube?
[14:51] <wolfger> I'm sorry I watched that. It sounded much better in my memory with Nostalgia™ enhancement.
[14:51] <jrwren_> cmaloney: i thought that song was used in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wreck
[14:53] <cmaloney> wolfger: I think it was remixed / enhanced on the Doctor Demento disc I have.
[14:56] <brousch_> I only know it from youtube
[16:42] <wolfger> Teenager arrested for making pot brownies faces possible life sentence. A rich old man named Ilitch is busted for felony cocaine possession, winds up with probation and rehab. God bless the United States of Money Worshipping.
[16:42] <greg-g> move to CA, WA, or CO where we respect your pursuit of happiness
[16:43] <wolfger> Nah. Not me. Beer's legal everywhere. I'm good. :-)
[16:43] <greg-g> :)
[16:44] <greg-g> Weed's safer than alcohol ;)
[16:44] <wolfger> so I hear. But I like drinking a lot more than I like smoking.
[16:44]  * greg-g nods
[16:44] <wolfger> And I like brewing a lot more than I like farming.
[16:44] <greg-g> as a respectable upstanding citizen, I do neither anymore, really
[16:49] <jrwren_> you don't grow your own barley?
[16:53] <wolfger> no, although I have thought about malting my own barley
[16:54] <wolfger> I decided it's best for the beer if I let the pros do the malting, and best for my pocketbook if I let the pros do the farming
[16:54] <jrwren_> wolfger: really?!?
[17:00] <wolfger> really to which part? Buying grain is much cheaper than buying farmland and equipment, yes.
[17:01] <greg-g> <insert paleo response to how intensive grain production is and why it's dumb except on industrial scales>
[17:01] <wolfger> Also, I would then be limited to making beer after harvest :-p
[17:01] <greg-g> says the guy who had honey bunches of oats this morning for breakfast (thanks work kitchen)
[17:02] <wolfger> I'd even be willing to pay a little more to support a local barley farm, but.... there's still the malting issue. There is one malthouse I know of in Michigan. I need to contact them again.
[17:17] <cmaloney> <insert skeptic response on how Paleo is based on flawed reasoning and is probably only good for reducing your intake of processed foods>
[17:17] <greg-g> define "paleo" ;)
[17:17] <greg-g> means very different things to different people, but yeah, less processed food == good :)
[17:18] <cmaloney> I define paleo as the people who use it as a modified Atkins diet.
[17:18] <greg-g> that's still too broad of a category, but ok ;)
[17:19] <greg-g> because "modified atkins" can just mean "anything that says limit carbs"
[17:19] <cmaloney> I'm being glib as well
[17:19] <greg-g> which is, well, a bunch of modern science and part of most healthy diets ;)
[17:19] <greg-g> cmaloney: when aren't you? ;)
[17:19] <greg-g> just don't be Gib, that'd be mean to take over that role.
[17:20] <cmaloney> hah
[17:20] <cmaloney> Well, on NPR...
[17:20] <cmaloney> I dunno. I tend to think of most mass diets with a lot of skepticism
[17:21] <cmaloney> like when everyone was eating cabbage soup
[17:21] <cmaloney> or Atkins
[17:21] <greg-g> define "mass diet" ;)   I mean, the main mass diet is "too much soda, too much sugar, too much tv, too little moving"
[17:22] <cmaloney> mass diet: Anything you can find on a Wikipedia page with a lengthy talkback section on how it's all rubbish. ;)
[17:22] <cmaloney> And yes, I think the "American" diet is rubbish as well
[17:22] <wolfger> In other words, all diets that weren't made up by Aunt Marge
[17:22] <greg-g> honestly, the wikipedians who fit into the "skeptic" tag are sometimes really just massive assholes, but...
[17:23] <cmaloney> greg-g: Agreed
[17:23] <greg-g> you try to tone down the vitriol and you get slaped in the face
[17:23] <greg-g> I'm all for science and debunking shit, but being an ass is just, dumb ;)
[17:23] <cmaloney> pretty much any forum where people play "pick and choose" with their facts.
[17:23] <greg-g> yep
[17:23] <greg-g> ok, time for meeting prep, laterz!
[17:24] <cmaloney> laterness.
[17:24] <greg-g> (also, partial outage I'm watching ;) )
[17:24] <greg-g> out css/js/static server cluster isn't happy
[17:24] <greg-g> our*
[17:24] <cmaloney> ugh
[17:24] <cmaloney> Tell everyone to use gopher in the interim
[17:49] <jrwren_> greg-g: wtff??? insert paleo response??? but you eat meat??? wtf do you think the meat you just ate eats?
[17:49] <greg-g> jrwren_: not corn
[17:49] <greg-g> not wheat
[17:50] <greg-g> grass
[17:50] <jrwren_> paleo: a word that means I can eat whatever i want, while being judgemental of everything else everyone else eats.
[17:50] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I'm finding it pretty hard not to bat the Markdown folks with Restructured Text. :)
[17:51] <greg-g> those people already did that, now they just have an affinity group to join ;)
[17:51] <cmaloney> s/bat/bait/
[17:51] <jrwren_> greg-g: what meat did you eat that wasn't fed corn or some other big agg grain crop?
[17:52] <greg-g> jrwren_: you know cows existed before big ag grain did, right?
[17:52] <greg-g> jrwren_: 100% grass feed cow
[17:53] <jrwren_> greg-g: hahahahahaha.
[17:53] <jrwren_> greg-g: you realize corn is a grass?
[17:53] <greg-g> yes, but they aren't fed corn
[17:53] <jrwren_> greg-g: I can feed cows nothing but corn on a feed lot and it will be 100% grass fed.
[17:53] <greg-g> jrwren_: sure, but I know my rancher(s)
[17:53] <jrwren_> greg-g: that rules. I wish I knew some.
[17:54] <greg-g> probably 90% of carrie's calories come from people we talk to once a week
[17:54] <greg-g> I'm less than that because I'm not really consistent and eat out at work
[17:54] <greg-g> (carrie and rowan's)
[17:55] <jrwren_> you are even bigger local eaters than we are.
[17:55] <jrwren_> so jealous.
[17:56] <jrwren_> then again.. you talk to the people when you eat out and they bring you your food, so all those calaries come from people you talk to.
[17:58] <cmaloney> I can barely talk to the cashier at the checkout.
[17:58] <cmaloney> That's enough social interaction. ;)
[18:01] <jrwren_> I always say "burito please" to the person at chipotle
[18:07] <brousch_> I point and grunt. I don't want to know where my food came from
[18:07] <jrwren_> I still think about your son thinking animals GAVE us meat.
[18:08] <brousch_> I think it was more like they were making it, like in a factory
[18:08] <brousch_> chicken nuggets: nuggets made by chickens
[18:08] <brousch_> Perfectly logical
[18:09] <brousch_> Maybe too much wallace and grommit
[18:18] <jrwren_> hahaha
[18:42] <greg-g> jrwren_: :) "can I have a #2 with turkey" doesn't count ;)
[18:47] <jrwren_> mmm... now I want a burito
[18:48] <jrwren_> and also... a farm... kinda.
[18:53] <greg-g> :) ditto on both ;)
[20:00] <brousch_> cmaloney: Got my ass handed to me by a random on Go
[20:06] <jrwren_> !w
[20:12] <cmaloney> brousch_: fun fun. :)
[20:12] <cmaloney> I have yet to play folks on Dragon Go Server
[20:13] <cmaloney> (random)
[20:13] <brousch_> I did well early on, but he surrounded me and I could not escape
[20:13] <brousch_> Similar to how you beat me last time
[20:21] <cmaloney> Yeah, I don't think I'm able to repeat that on the 13x13 board. :)
[20:23] <brousch_> Maybe not this time
[20:23] <brousch_> This random game was 13x13