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bluesabrehey guys00:12
RobertJDohnertWhats up00:18
Unit193bluesabre: What's up, doc?01:03
bluesabreUnit193, RobertJDohnert - not much01:05
bluesabreworking on my wiki page since its out of date01:05
bluesabreagain01:06
bluesabre:D01:06
Unit193Oooh!  Going for motu?!01:06
bluesabreoh, not yet01:06
bluesabrelol01:06
bluesabreseems like I should not restart until the next lightdm release01:06
Unit193Only reason to update it, going for something. :P01:07
Unit193That's what it looks like to me, yep.01:07
bluesabreor adding what I've already got01:07
Unit193bluesabre: He did ping with a rules file you could edit and use.01:07
Unit193I haven't touched mine since getting membership, thus it'd be a major pain to go for packageset or motu.01:07
bluesabreyou can dooooo it01:07
Unit193I think I can make it in time for 16.04. :P01:08
skellatbluesabre: This needs a look: http://askubuntu.com/questions/516314/xubuntu-14-04-disable-desktop-and-panel01:28
bluesabreskellat: sorry about that, will try to tackle it tonight01:28
skellatNo problemo01:28
pleia2ochosi, knome (and anyone else who wants to log in to review a donations page): http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=271202:12
pleia2this was the blocker to social media-ing bountysource, want to have this in place in case people ask about donations more generally02:13
* pleia2 frowns at isos03:03
pleia2I need some help from elfy tomorrow03:03
bluesabreissues pleia2?03:05
pleia2yeah, virtualbox is muy unhappy with both isos03:05
bluesabrelike, garbage video?03:06
pleia232-bit loads up the decision screen with no background (just black) and won't load live03:06
bluesabreah03:06
pleia264-bit is garbage video, won't even give me a choice03:06
pleia2just black and does weird things when I move my mouse03:06
bluesabrefor the bad video,  <host>-F1/F7 to VT switch it back to life03:06
* pleia2 will give that a try03:07
pleia2aha, that was in the release notes but I guess I didn't understand it D:03:09
pleia2woohoo, now 64-bit won't load a live session, just like 32-bit03:10
bluesabreyay, improvement..? :D03:10
pleia2at least it's consistent now :)03:11
pleia2thoughts on filing bug for this?03:11
bluesabreit might already be a known issue, apparently today's lightdm is broken pretty bad03:11
pleia2ah03:12
bluesabreUnit193: is this related to what you guys were seeing earlier?03:12
pleia2ah, maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/136533603:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1365336 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Lightdm update=No desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed]03:13
Unit193Yeah, elfy said the isos were borked and don't upgrade (or reboot at least) your utopic session.03:13
Unit193Mhmm.03:13
bluesabreI already updated my packages, so I'm making sure to not log out or let light-locker send me to the login screen :)03:13
pleia2hehe03:13
Unit193No light-locker, so I'm set.03:13
bluesabregetting pretty tired, going to retire early... back in the morning03:16
pleia2night bluesabre 03:18
elfyochosi: http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive07:15
ochosipleia2: looks good to me! i'd add an icon for each section, but text-wise this is fine07:59
ochosielfy: thanks for the pad and for adding it to the meeting agenda!08:00
elfybluesabre: you might need a nvidia rules file - there are a bunch to choose from on the bug report :)08:00
ochosimakes sense08:00
elfyochosi: welcome08:00
ochosiwe'll mostly have to discuss the stuff in line 24 i guess08:00
elfyyea08:01
ochosialthough if you'd want, you could get in touch with pleia2 and knome about it even beforehands and add info about it08:01
ochosicause you can never know whether they'll be there for the meeting08:01
elfywell I know I won't be ;)08:03
elfyrunning through a core install against the testcase - then I'll do a call for that - pointless though it might well be08:10
ochosipleia2, knome: could you take a peek at this pad (especially the last line) and add some info about that? http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive08:18
ochosibbl08:18
knomei did and commented on the pad :P08:19
elfythanks knome 08:19
knomenp08:21
elfyalternate/mini installs take so loooooong :(08:21
elfyI'm really pleased we don't do those anymore generally08:22
knomemhm08:22
elfylightdm bug is now an nvidia one - and likely to affect amd as well 08:23
knomeduh08:23
elfywhich just about covers anyone who's not using nouveau or the amd opensource thing08:23
knome:|08:24
knomewhat's the bug?08:24
elfyit seems to have been my cycle for finding nvidia issues lol08:24
elfybug 136533608:24
ubottubug 1365336 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "Lightdm update=No desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136533608:24
elfyseems to be some sort of odd interaction with vbox as well - yesterday with nouveau - couldn't get our daily to boot in vm08:26
knomehrr hrr08:27
elfyyea awesome ... 08:27
knomeahh08:31
knomewell at least it has a solution now08:31
* knome just read the bug comments and is relieved08:32
elfy:)08:32
* elfy got a bit fed up of reboots :p08:32
knomelol, i can imagine08:32
elfycould have been worse I suppose - I could have rebooted with different .rules and they all fail :D08:33
knomeheh, yep08:33
elfyI guess I should try with systemd as well at some point - unless Unit193's got that covered :)08:37
Unit193drivers: ati,radeon   Other system no longer uses systemd.08:38
elfyand do they work with lightdm .8?08:39
elfyand why are you awake lol08:40
knome*psst* he's weird08:40
elfy:)08:40
Unit193I've been too afraid to reboot. :P08:41
elfyheh 08:42
elfyUnit193: I'll get the -core test call out today - then we can clear that off \o/08:44
Unit193Great, I'll grab a new mini.08:46
elfyrunning through it now on 64bit - working so far :)08:46
james0radded the xubuntu staging repo and updated yesterday, just noticing now that the power manager no longer has an option to display icon in system tray. where would this be handled?09:00
knomebluesabre, ping09:23
knomewhere's micahg?09:23
knomeochosi, ping too09:24
slickymasterWorkochosi: re: the guidelines for xfce docs when taking screenshots (theme+icons) I'm maintaining what we've used before as defined in http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds 09:47
slickymasterWorkbluesabre: did you notice this: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/09/04/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t14:4009:47
knomeslickymasterWork, sceenshots ;)09:52
slickymasterWorkmorning knome 09:54
slickymasterWorkdid get it knome?!09:54
slickymasterWorks/did/didn't09:54
slickymasterWorkah ah now I see it09:55
slickymasterWorkweel it was jjfrv8 that created that link :P09:56
slickymasterWorks/weel/well09:57
bluesabreslickymasterWork, yeah, just translate it as though it was fine10:04
bluesabreknome: pong10:04
slickymasterWorkok bluesabre, it's the only string left there10:05
elfymorning bluesabre slickymasterWork 10:05
elfysomeone point me at the xfpm wiki please :)10:05
bluesabremorning elfy forestpiskie10:05
slickymasterWorkhey elfy, top of the morning to you10:05
bluesabrehttp://wiki.smdavis.us/doku.php?id=xfpm-docs:start10:05
elfybluesabre: lol10:05
elfyty10:06
slickymasterWorkhere you go elfy  http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfpm-docs:start10:06
slickymasterWorklol bluesabre beat me to it10:06
elfy:)10:07
slickymasterWorkelfy take in consideration this http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds when taking screenshots10:07
elfyyep10:09
elfyhttp://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-050914-111416.php 10:15
elfycore test call sent now \o/10:15
bluesabrewoo!10:18
elfyit's even got a test result reported ;)10:20
elfywoohoo - my lightdm bug is now critical for a whole bunch of nvidia/fglrx stuff :p10:21
* bluesabre really needs to remove lightdm as one of his notification keywords10:21
slickymasterWorkI'll try to make same testings later on the afternoon10:21
elfylol @ bluesabre 10:22
elfyslickymasterWork: the core one takes a while to do 10:22
slickymasterWorkhmm, I'll go with the dailys then as I'll be slickymasterWork and not slickymaster10:23
elfyyep - thought I would tell you 10:23
slickymasterWorkthanks elfy 10:24
slickymasterWorkbluesabre: mugshot, menulibre and x-d-s all translated10:25
bluesabreslickymasterWork: fantastic :)10:26
knomebluesabre, would you mind dropping better descriptions for the -dev PPA's?10:28
bluesabre"dropping" is one of those odd words with a double meaning10:29
bluesabre"adding" or "removing"?10:29
knome:P10:33
knomeadding10:33
knomehttps://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging10:33
knomethat isn't exactly useful...10:33
knomehttps://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/extras10:33
knomenor that10:33
knomemost importantly, they do not describe how they fall into our procedures, or in which situation is one supposed to use them10:34
bluesabreknome: ochosi, should I drop packages from the ppas for unsupported releases (only shipping 12.04, 14.04, 14.10)10:34
bluesabreknome: ok10:34
knomenor do they link to the package trackers (they probably should, if we need testing for those packages)10:34
knomedo we have a lot of non-supported stuff then?10:35
knomehttps://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa is a bit weird10:35
bluesabrehttps://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.1010:35
knomeit seems to overlap with other PPA's10:36
knomenot sure about that...10:36
bluesabrecreating a pad10:37
knomemhm10:37
elfyI thought we discussed at the beginning of the cycle sorting all that PPA stuff out10:37
knomeelfy, apparently not :)10:37
dkesselochosi: i am just updating the mugshot translation for "de". should i check "someone should review this translation"?10:37
knomeelfy, we've created a few new PPA's, which are the first two mentioned - they itself do not document waht they are (for) though10:37
knomedkessel, if you feel like you're not sure about the translation10:38
dkesselknome, i am. ok, mugshot done ;)10:39
slickymasterWorkdkessel are you translating in reviewer mode?10:39
knomenice10:39
knomedkessel, how's the doc translation coming up?10:39
dkesselslickymasterWork: yes i am10:39
dkesselknome: it's making progress. german is at about 24% and the reviewer is unable to catch up ;)10:39
slickymasterWorkwell it will be considered as a final translation then10:40
dkesselso... 24% reviewed10:40
slickymasterWorklike knome if you certain about it just don't check the box10:40
slickymasterWork+ said10:40
dkesselit is not very easy to get into the german translation team with review rights (which is ok), so it will take some time until xubuntu-docs are done10:42
slickymasterWorkdkessel, can't you poke someone in https://translations.launchpad.net/+languages/de10:43
slickymasterWorkcorrection, https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-de10:45
dkesselslickymasterWork: i wonder how that team relates to the terman ubuntu translators team10:46
bluesabreknome: we can work from here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/vQ8LL4MVaW10:47
bluesabreochosi ^10:48
* bluesabre will contribute later, has to get ready for work now10:49
slickymasterWorkdkessel, the Launchpad German Translators is a member of https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/launchpad-translators and https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/mahara-translation-group only10:49
knomesome work done on the pad11:01
knomeslickymasterWork, bug 16508211:18
ubottubug 165082 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Alert ! we are losing the history of xubuntu !" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16508211:18
knomeslickymasterWork, do you think we'd like/want something like that in the website/docs?11:18
slickymasterWorkknome, the idea is remarkable and it would be great to have it on the website11:24
slickymasterWorkbut there's one thing that makes me wonder, can we even grasp the amount of research work that is/would be necessary to achieve it11:25
knomedepends what the scope should be11:28
slickymasterWorkknome, from the bug description. "...the history of xubuntu and xfce in ubuntu and how everything started...11:30
slickymasterWorkand I think that's correct, if is to be done, I believe that the scope should be global, i.e., from the 'beginning of times' ;) 11:31
knomelol11:31
knomei believe catching mr_pouit some day would give us most of the information we want..11:32
slickymasterWorkLionel you mean?11:32
knomeyep11:43
bluesabreso, who wants to be ~xubuntu-historian11:47
bluesabre:D11:47
brainwashthe good old days11:48
brainwashbluesabre: any idea which component/package we could blame instead?11:49
brainwashbug 135709011:49
ubottubug 1357090 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Black screen on resume in Xubuntu 14.04.1" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135709011:49
bluesabrehonestly... it's probably the greeter and his hardware does not support DPMS11:49
bluesabrebut, don't comment yet11:50
bluesabrebut yeah, original bug was black screen when you re-entered your session11:50
bluesabre*not* black screen at login screen11:50
bluesabreand if he confirms that it still happens when he removes the package, I don't imagine that xfce4-power-manager is to blame11:51
brainwashright, black screen can be caused by various bugs or broken stuff11:51
brainwashwe simply don't know yet what to blame11:52
bluesabreyup11:52
brainwashit was filed against xubu default settings, so I've changed it to xfpm11:52
bluesabrewe basically need to confirm when exactly he sees it/has seen it11:53
bluesabreand if anything happens between11:53
bluesabrewhat driver11:53
bluesabreinxi -G11:53
bluesabretry to narrow down the information11:54
brainwashyeah, almost feels like he's the only one affected by the problem11:55
brainwashother people just did not hit the apply button twice yet11:55
brainwashin lls11:55
bluesabreultimately, there is not much that can be done with the various combinations of hardware, software, user config, personal workarounds -- when he have a bugfix that has been verified by many people11:55
bluesabre(and is probably unrelated to his bug)11:56
bluesabreI'll comment on it tonight11:56
bluesabremight try a combo of an xfpm setting and xscreensaver11:56
brainwashalright, thanks for getting involved :)11:57
dkesselhmm which package contains the translation string for the context menu when a user right clicks on a file?12:34
knomethunar?12:34
dkesselif i translate what's missing using the transifex website, will that get pushed to xubuntu?12:38
knomeeventually, with new releases12:44
ochosidkessel: as long as you feel comfortable with your translations, there's no need to ask for review13:11
knomeochosi, ping!13:12
ochosiknome: pong13:12
eduardojunioHello! :D14:45
elfyhi eduardojunio :)14:46
dkesselI have another translation question. Is this the right place to put the name of contributors to a translation? https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/utopic/+pots/desktop-guide/de/483/+translate 14:51
eduardojuniodkessel, I want too help with translation but the links are broken. :\ http://wiki.xfce.org/translations14:52
dkesseleduardojunio: the only thing i found for xfce translations is the transifex site14:59
eduardojuniodkessel, but the link to transifex site are broken :\14:59
eduardojuniohttps://www.transifex.com/projects/p/xfce/15:00
dkesseleduardojunio: hmm right. Have you tried asking in #xfce ?15:01
eduardojuniodkessel, not yet15:01
dkesseleduardojunio: there should be people who can tell you what to do15:02
eduardojuniodkessel, ok, thanks! :)15:03
slickymasterWorkno dkessel, the contributors names are added by a script15:07
slickymasterWorkhey eduardojunio, have you considered translating https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/utopic15:07
dkesselslickymasterWork: OK thanks15:08
slickymasterWorknp dkessel 15:08
eduardojunioslickymasterWork, nope, I'll see! Thanks!15:09
slickymasterWorknp eduardojunio 15:09
slickymasterWorkeduardojunio: also, consider these: https://translations.launchpad.net/catfish-search, https://translations.launchpad.net/light-locker-settings, https://translations.launchpad.net/menulibre, https://translations.launchpad.net/mugshot and https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings15:11
slickymasterWorkit might seem too much, but each of the packages doesn't contain more then 30 strings to be translated15:11
slickymasterWorkbesides catfish :P15:12
eduardojunioslickymasterWork, ok XD15:12
slickymasterWorkand thanks for jumping in and helping eduardojunio15:14
eduardojunioslickymasterWork, nop, It's all for <3 to Xubuntu :D15:15
slickymasterWork:)15:15
=== brainwash_ is now known as brainwash
slickymasterWorkochosi: re: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/09/02/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t15:31 on a fresh install of today's daily, fully updated, I'm getting the same scenario in the 'System' tab16:02
pleia2ochosi: commented on QAIncentive16:17
elfyslickymasterWork: installing to check 16:17
elfyhi pleia2 - thanks :)16:17
slickymasterWorkhey pleia2 o/16:17
pleia2elfy: so at the CC hangout yesterday balloons mentioned they hadn't done much work on the tracker lately, do you get the impression they will be? there are some particular pain points16:18
pleia2slickymasterWork: hey hey16:18
elfypleia2: pain points?16:18
pleia2filter bugs by not ubuntu-kylin would be awesome D:16:18
elfyoic 16:18
pleia2(not specifically ubuntu-kylin perhaps, but those are the most annoying because chinese)16:18
pleia2or by packageset, I don't care about lxde or unity bugs on xubuntu images16:19
pleia2it's so tedious to mouseover 30 bugs16:19
elfyyea - not only that but for me the major pita is See Removed and Superseded builds too16:19
elfytry that one ... 16:19
elfyyou might not hang the tracker 16:19
pleia2where is?16:19
elfyhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds16:19
elfyjust above where you'd pick something to test -at the top16:20
* pleia2 waits16:20
elfyhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/history16:20
pleia2not looking good :)16:20
elfytelling me ;)16:20
knomepleia2, put in a comment on pad16:20
pleia2so yeah, the tracker needs some love16:21
elfythat's bug 112644916:21
pleia2I am quite committed to Xubuntu and it's annoying me enough to make me go all "boo testing"16:21
ubottubug 1126449 in Ubuntu QA Website "Getting a historical results report for a product is difficult" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112644916:21
knomewell, here's the thing16:21
elfypleia2: you're one is bug 99481216:21
ubottubug 994812 in Ubuntu QA Website "Create bug report lists with higher granularity" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99481216:21
knomei did some improvements for the UI, and they are waiting for stgraber to go through them16:21
knomenow if he merged those, it would be much easier to work on other things on the tracker..16:22
pleia2knome: <316:22
knomealso it would be easier if it was not drupal >__<16:22
pleia2heh16:22
pleia2well, that won't change any time soon16:22
knomeno.16:22
pleia2elfy: ooh, it loaded16:23
knomethe worst thing is that i never had enough patience to actually get a testing tracker running.16:23
elfypleia2: quick then :p16:24
elfypleia2: so to answer your original question - not looking good for things to get looked at ;)16:25
elfynot meaning things that people like knome have done there16:25
knomethe history page looks like it's loading way too much stuff at once16:26
pleia2elfy: I'll see balloons in person next week, any in person nudging I should do?16:26
elfyknome: even if you've only got xubuntu filtered in left pane - it grabs EVERYTHING and then filters it - it's that quick you can see it 16:26
pleia2x_x16:26
knomeelfy, yep.16:27
elfystgraber I think is the one - that right knome ?16:27
knomeyeah, balloons is not working on the tracker code16:27
knomebut sure it helps to prod him about issues16:27
elfyyep16:27
knomemaybe we should gather a complete list of issues we see with the tracker16:27
pleia2yeah, he's the community guy whose job it is to make this easier on us16:27
pleia2yeah, biggest pain points16:28
knomeif they are bugs, then create some pad or blueprint that gathers them all16:28
pleia2getting just a few things fixed would make my life 100x better16:28
pleia2aside from filtering, mouseover bugs is the worst idea ever16:28
knomelol16:28
knomeyeah16:28
knomehmm16:29
pleia2I ended up sourcing the page last night and looking at it that way16:29
knomei made a patch that makes sure the tooltips are *visible*16:29
knomedoesn't look like that landed in production either..16:29
elfynope16:30
elfycommented against comments in QA pad16:30
knomebugs in a list would be awesome.16:30
knomeit would be even more awesome if you could hide some bugs16:30
pleia2I'm not being nice, someone thought mouseover bugs was a good idea once, I shouldn't trash it, just grumpy16:30
elfybugs in anything readable would be awesome16:30
knomeand if you could see against which product they were filed against...16:31
pleia2yeah16:31
elfyyea - filtering and history - 2 things - fix them - makes the whole thing more usable16:31
* pleia2 nods16:32
elfyone even made it onto QA incentive pad ;)16:33
pleia2that's what triggered my rant16:33
elfyhe he he 16:33
pleia2"yeah, that's annoying, also.." :)16:33
pleia2knome: wait, django or drupal?16:35
knomei guess both..16:36
knomethe site runs drupal, but apparently most of the code is written in django/python16:36
* pleia2 boggles16:37
pleia2I didn't know that was possible16:37
knomeso, python is out of question for me16:37
knomeand drupal is teeth-grinding16:37
knomeyes, the stupid bugs have bugged me enough to *still* write some stuff for the trackers16:37
knomehey, another thing i did16:37
* elfy once again is pleased code is a foreign country to him 16:38
pleia2haha16:38
knomewas when you drag+drop a bug link to the "bug" fields16:38
knomeit will automatically format it correctly16:38
knome(adds ", #####" at the end of the input box)16:38
pleia2neat16:39
knome(regardless of what position you dropped the link at)16:39
knomethat's not the best implementation16:39
knomebut that's much better than having to copy bug numbers manually16:40
elfyslickymasterWork: can confirm that xfpm behaviour in vbox - also appear to have Devices tab in that - not got that here on hardware16:43
elfyslickymasterWork ochosi bluesabre - system tab in xfpm - my install and vm http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-050914-174552.php16:46
slickymasterWorkyes elfy, that's on a vbox for me also, haven't tried it on hardware yet16:47
slickymasterWorkelfy: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfpm-docs:preferences16:48
slickymasterWorkalso getting the 'Devices' tab16:48
pleia2elfy: what's the deal with Xubuntu core? I don't see an iso to download16:56
knomepleia2, read the mailing list16:57
pleia2:D16:57
pleia2that's not fair, it was just 2 hours ago16:57
pleia2thanks :)16:58
knomeyou're welcome16:59
knomewell, you didn't use the best excuse16:59
knome"i must have missed the mailing list discussion since i wasn't around then"16:59
knomecourtesy of a semi-frequent visitor on this channel16:59
pleia2I haven't checked that mailbox this morning!17:00
pleia2the question was actually from last night, when I was testing isos, I just remembered it :)17:00
knomeheh17:01
elfypleia2: I think that to have a download to grab from the tracker - we'd need 2 - 1 for each arch17:04
elfypleia2: ok - so booting images is a faff currently :)17:05
pleia2:)17:06
elfybest plan is to start install from usb boot at the beginning and fail the livesession17:06
elfybut I'm holding fire on the bug till the image gets respun tomorrow17:07
elfyknome: though I guess I could request rebuild on the tracker? 17:08
elfynever done that for anything but milestones17:08
elfypleia2: I think there is an issue with images re lightdm - there was a bug for that, which is now actually nvidia-* and flgrx 17:10
knomeyou could, but is the image fixed?17:10
elfythe bug I had is fixed 17:11
knomewell, you got your answer from balloons already ,)17:11
elfyyep :)17:11
elfypersonally I think it is fubar and will still be 17:12
elfyunignoring queuebot for a while17:13
knomeheh17:21
knomewith a decent irc client, you can ignore everything, then unignore parts of that17:22
elfyI ignore it unless I want to not17:24
pleia2ochosi, knome: updated with logos http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=271217:26
pleia2knome: feel free to update for prettierness17:26
knomecool!17:26
knomewhat's the rationale for the order?17:27
elfya-z17:27
elfy:)17:27
knomeexcept "contribute your time" ;)17:28
elfywhich should be plastered everywhere :p17:28
pleia2hehe17:28
elfya-z-a then knome :D17:28
knomei would prefer if the order was bountysource, unixstickers, canonical, <hr /> (!), contribute17:28
pleia2but yeah, a-z for vendors, then reminder that people can dontate time17:28
pleia2donate too17:28
knomewhat if i want to dontate?17:29
pleia2you can do whatever you like17:29
slickymasterWorki'LL MAIL YOU MY ACCOUNT NUMBER THEN knome 17:29
* slickymasterWork hides17:29
knomelol17:29
knomei'll let don t. eat it then..17:29
knomepleia2, so what do you think of my suggestion?17:30
pleia2sure17:30
knomeanother possibility is to order them by:17:30
knomenah17:30
pleia2I don't care much about order :) there aren't so many that anyone gets buried17:30
knomethat didn't make sense..17:30
knomejust that canonical isn't really our preferred way, even if it's not bad17:31
pleia2k, refresh17:32
knomebesides, it's different... the donator doesn't get anything17:32
knomeand we might not get (if we didn't apply) either17:32
knomeyep, better17:32
eduardojunioslickymasterWork, I have already translated 100% the Catfish to Brazilian Portuguese! :D https://translations.launchpad.net/catfish-search/trunk/+pots/catfish/pt_BR/+translate17:32
pleia2I don't want to edit this anymore, and I have to get back to work, feel free to tweak and I'll publish on Monday or so17:32
slickymasterWorkgreat work eduardojunio, thanks for that17:32
knomehehe, sure, hf pleia2 17:33
pleia2:)17:33
slickymasterWorkeduardojunio: I have to finish the portuguese one :P17:33
eduardojunioslickymasterWork, XD17:33
elfycya sunday pm pleia2 :)17:33
slickymasterWorkeduardojunio: when translating the other links I posted, feel free to recur to the portuguese translations I've made17:34
slickymasterWorkbesides a few things, the idiom is pretty much the same ;)17:35
eduardojunioslickymasterWork, ok :)17:35
slickymasterWorkand again thanks for jumping in and help17:35
eduardojunioslickymasterWork, I'm newbie translating, so, after I translate the Catfish to brazilian portuguese, when the program will update the taranslation?17:37
eduardojuniotranslation*17:37
slickymasterWorkin the next release eduardojunio 17:37
slickymasterWorkknome: https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/utopic/+pots/desktop-guide/fi/+translate still missing 4 strings :P17:37
eduardojunioslickymasterWork, oh, ok! thanks :D17:37
knomeslickymasterWork, i know ;)17:37
* slickymasterWork hides once again17:37
knomeslickymasterWork, keeping them untranslated to make you feel uncomfortable17:38
slickymasterWorkthe french one is getting there knome 17:38
slickymasterWorklol17:38
elfyknome: LOL17:38
slickymasterWorkwith friends like these...17:38
elfyha ha 17:39
knomehey, you're the one reminding me daily of the strings ;)17:39
slickymasterWorkwell, you showed me who to get things done during your XPL days knome 17:39
knomehehe17:39
knometrue17:39
knomes/who/how/ too ;)17:40
eduardojunioslickymasterWork, you are "David Pires"?17:40
slickymasterWorklol knome 17:40
slickymasterWorkyes, indeed I am eduardojunio 17:40
eduardojunioslickymasterWork, ok :D17:40
elfynice to see people pitch up - ask if they can help - and then do something 17:40
slickymasterWorkyes, elfy17:41
elfyhappened a bit lately :)17:41
knomeyes, i especially like the last point ,)17:41
elfyknome: me too :)17:41
slickymasterWorkknome: seems to have lost an eye17:41
elfyoff for a bit - back later to see how the image is 17:43
knomeyep...17:43
knometoo much poking from slickymasterWork !17:43
slickymasterWorkhey, I'll also be leaving in a few minutes17:43
slickymasterWorkhave fun elfy 17:44
knomemeh, that one string should have <userinput> and not <code>17:47
slickymasterWorkwhich one knome?17:48
knomeIf the program you wish to run as an administrator is graphical, such as the <application>Mousepad</application> text editor, run the command prefixed with <code>pkexec</code> in the command line. For example, to run <application>Mousepad</application> with administrative rights, run the command <code>pkexec mousepad /path/to/file</code>.17:48
slickymasterWorkyeah, you're right, we missed that one17:49
slickymasterWorkit's  an easy fix anyway17:50
slickymasterWorkchange a change in the tags17:50
slickymasterWorks/change/just17:50
slickymasterWorkI can do it this weekend17:50
knomeyes, but it means translations will be invalidated :P17:51
slickymasterWorkyeah, that's the down side17:51
slickymasterWorkbut I think it's necessary, for the sake of consistency17:52
slickymasterWorkor do you disagree17:52
slickymasterWork?17:52
knomesure17:52
knomei'll land the change now17:52
slickymasterWorkdkessel, FYI ^^ (not sure if you got there yet)17:53
ochosipleia2: looks nice!17:53
slickymasterWorkhey ochosi 17:53
knomepushed17:53
slickymasterWorkthanks knome 17:53
knometranslation template should propagate to launchpad... sometime17:54
slickymasterWork:)17:54
knomei really like that we are attributing translators17:55
slickymasterWorkyes, and people do feel good when they some how see their effort recognized17:55
dkesselthanks slickymasterWork . luckily I didn't get there yet.17:55
slickymasterWorkochosi: quick nag http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/09/05/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t16:0217:56
knomeyes, and they potentially benefit from it in other ways too17:56
slickymasterWorkoh ok dkessel 17:56
slickymasterWorkthat's true knome 17:56
dkesselOh BTW. The chapter about simple scan is wrong. It say you have to use a documents menu... But there is no such menu anymore. You directly click the scan button...17:57
knomedkessel, mind to file a bug?17:58
slickymasterWorkknome beat me to it17:58
slickymasterWorkthere's still time to fix that before release17:59
ochosislickymasterWork: interesting. couldn't reproduce that previously, but i'll take a look soon18:00
ochosimaybe also ping bluesabre about it18:00
ochosimight be a packaging issue18:00
slickymasterWorkbluesabre: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/09/05/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t16:0218:00
dkesselknome: if I remember it the other day. Too tedious from the phone ;)18:01
knomedkessel, i'll file it now and you'll fill in the details (if needed) later. deal?18:04
slickymasterWorkI'm off guys, cy later18:04
dkesselknome: ok18:07
knomebug 136615018:08
ubottubug 1366150 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Incorrect information about Simple Scan menus " [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136615018:08
brainwashochosi: now that you are familiar with xdg-utils, please take a look at bug 136615318:24
ubottubug 1366153 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "xdg-screensaver doesn't lock screen with light-locker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136615318:24
ochosibrainwash: that's an obvious issue, i only fixed the inhibition for xubuntu/xfce19:09
ochosibut anyway, i'm waiting for ll 1.6 which will have a proper dbus interface, so that can then go upstream to xdg-utils19:10
Unit193Made some comments on the pad as well.  Also, re: ppas.  Can we remove all saucy and quantal packages?20:31
knomeUnit193, see pad20:35
knomewe could chat here too20:42
knomei talked with ochosi,20:42
knomeand the idea is to make bluesabre the owner of that team, in a way or another20:42
Unit193Ooooh, then I can bribe him to add me.20:43
knomethe reason why i raise this up is that if you go to http://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive , this is the default repository...20:43
Unit193I'm not saying that it's needed, just that that's what we used it for.20:43
knomeyeah, it seems a bit ambiguous though20:43
knomeespecially it being the default repository, and it having that ambiguous description20:43
knome"here is something."20:43
knomeeven the "extra" name is a bit... ugh :)20:44
knomeimo it would be better as "preview" or sth20:44
knomewell, that's not good either20:44
elfyback20:44
knomebut extra sounds like xubuntu-restricted-extras to me :P20:44
knomeor sth similar20:45
knomeit doesn't communicate "these are very prone to break your system"20:45
elfyI'd agree with 'preview' - communicates what they are20:45
Unit193"Extras" to me is stuff outside the official repository that may well be of interest to Xubuntu users.20:45
knomepreview sounds like "beta" too20:45
knomeUnit193, exactly.20:46
knomebut since they are not really tested...20:46
Unit193Meh, kind of tested.20:46
knomeyeah, i guess it kind of describes what the PPA is20:46
knomeexcept we tell people not to rely on the PPA for features20:46
knomewell, in the new description20:46
knomebut that's how i see it anyway20:46
knomeit shouldn't be a very stable repository20:47
knomei mean, stuff will either get included, or then not, and then it should be dumpe.20:47
knome+d20:47
Unit193Mid cycle updates, updates after release, easier uploading, etc, etc.20:48
knomebut that's just how i see it, feel free to prove me wrong.20:48
knomebut shouldn't those be by design in staging?20:48
knomehow many times we have a new version of package X of which we are not sure if we want to land or not?20:49
knomewell i guess there are use cases20:49
knomebut from my POV, those are for staging anyway20:49
Unit193That more implies that it'll be in Xubuntu ${develRelease} rather than something you can install, or something that'll actually get updated after Utopic is released.20:49
knome"let's test if this new fix works"20:49
knomeif it doesn't, of course it won't land20:50
knomebut the intention is to land that20:50
knomeand the point of the staging repository is to notice bugs..20:50
knomewell maybe i should explain from where i'm coming from in larger scale:20:51
knomestaging: anything we want to xubuntu, be it a new package, package version or a bug fix20:51
knomeextras: anything we're considering to maybe include at *some point* (release: n+1)20:51
knomeonce a social decision is made to include something, it should theoretically be dropped to staging20:52
elfyochosi: Toz is pointing people at core :)20:52
knomeToz?20:53
knomeUnit193, ^ did what i just said make any sense to you?20:53
ochosielfy: good good :)20:54
knomeochosi? ^20:54
Unit193knome: It's kind of the idea of 4.12 PPA, post release updates that won't get SRU'd.  Yes it makes sense, and tat's pretty much how we're doing it with extras, none of those (didn't know thunar-dropbox was going to) will make it to utopic, but maybe V.20:54
ochosiknome: sry, i haven't been following and have no time to read the backlog right now20:54
knomeUnit193, sure, but xfce 4.12 is a special case, which is why it has a separate PPA anyway :)20:55
knomei'm not saying we should drop the xfce PPA's, they probably serve a good cause.20:55
knomebut in the mindset we have, where does the "main"/default PPA stand?20:55
Unit193So, no.  There will be no updates one, I'll go back to doing that on my own. :)20:55
knomewe can do an updates one, but then it should be called updates, not "ppa for xubuntu developers"20:56
Unit193Hah. :P20:56
knomeand in the same mindset,20:56
Unit193I'd say 4.12 is "default".20:56
knomeextras is like "alpha" to main/seed, where staging is like "beta" to main/seed20:57
Noskcajknome, +1 to a updates PPA, that's sort of what i'm doing with ppa:noskcaj/xubuntu.20:57
knomeUnit193, go to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive20:57
NoskcajAnd my thoughts exactly20:57
knomeUnit193, you're redirected to the random ppa with random packages and an ambiguous description20:57
knomeNoskcaj, that's not my interest in this discussion, nor something i'll decide, poke ochosi/bluesabre/Unit193 :(20:58
knome:) that is...20:58
Unit193Why poke me?20:58
knomedunno. you're doing something like that20:58
knomei just don't know how useful those PPA's are20:59
knomemost of the important stuff should be SRU'd or in the proposed or whatever repo20:59
NoskcajI poked bluesabre, he copied most of it to the 4.12 ppa20:59
knomefor non-LTS releases, the support window is now 9 months so it makes no sense to backport/land a lot of updates20:59
Unit193Depends, if you have to do all the SRU paperwork, I'd agree.21:00
knomeNoskcaj, right, but that's 4.12 stuff, so it's a different story21:00
skellatedrrrrrr21:00
* skellat didn't realize his cat wanted to use IRC just moments ago21:00
Unit193elfy: Also, yes.  Mini's do tend to take heck of a long time...21:01
knomeUnit193, of course it depends on how important the patch/update is. but if it isn't important enough to get it in the main repositories (whatever pocket), i'm not sure if it's important enough for an official (though unsupported) PPA..21:02
* Unit193 shrugs.21:02
knomeyeah, i don't have the answer either...21:02
brainwashNoskcaj: I did not attach any debdiff to the MRE request for xfdesktop4, it's basically the package from utopic with a different version string and build target, or?21:03
Unit193Basically, I'm not sure how much I agree but it's an easy enough workaround that I don't have to care.21:04
knomei'm most interested in the fact that each PPA has a good enough purpose AND the appropriate description so that end-users who end up in the PPA page in any possible way, will KNOW what the PPA is for and understands what they can expect from the PPA21:05
knomeconsidering they read the description; if not, then they are lost souls anyway21:05
brainwashNoskcaj: oh, the changelog needs to be changed too, so it auto closes the lp reports... which need to be re-opened for trusty.. what a mess21:05
Unit193knome: Yes, that part of course sounds like a plan.21:06
elfysounds like a topic or sticky ... 21:07
elfy:p21:07
knomealso, if there is overlap between PPA's, that should be removed to clear out all possible confusion, for users, developers, testers or anybody else21:07
Noskcajbrainwash, You branch lp:ubuntu/trusty/xfdesktop4 , then do the least possible changes, then make a -0ubuntu0.1 release21:08
NoskcajCan you do it or do you want me to?21:08
brainwashNoskcaj: branch the trusty branch?21:09
Noskcajyeah. We want as few changes as possible21:09
brainwashI thought that we just pick the utopic release and basically backport it21:10
brainwashor do you want to cherry pick the patches?21:12
brainwashsru vs mre21:13
brainwashI'm confused21:13
NoskcajBoth are the same, you modify the trusty branch.21:15
NoskcajSo in this case, just put the debian/ into the new release's tarball, then updat the changelog21:15
brainwashI can try that21:16
Noskcajor bzr branch lp:ubuntu/trusty/xfdesktop4 && cd xfdesktop4 && bzr merge-upstream && dch -v 4.11.7-0ubuntu0.1 && bzr diff21:20
Unit193knome: So in your model, where do skippy-xd, xfce4-soundmenu and xfdashboard go?  I'd think extras because they target "Maybe in N+1 or +3", but just wonderin'.21:26
knomeUnit193, if there is no social decision that they "will be" in a release, then they should be in extras21:27
knomeeverything that is in any other place than the "default ppa" is in the right place from my POV atm21:28
Unit193Great.21:28
knomethe descriptions are just a bit bad, and without your description for the "default ppa", i wouldn't know what it was for21:28
knomeso for that kind of situations, i'd just create a new sandboxed PPA :)21:29
Unit193#action bluesabre to update the descriptions, remove the "default" repo, remove all saucy and quantal packages, and add Unit193 to xubuntu-dev.21:34
Unit193:-------------------------_D21:34
knomehah!21:36
NoskcajAlso add Noskcaj21:36
* knome facepalms21:36
Unit193I think someone missed the trollface.21:43
elfyreported no desktop in livesession now bug 136620621:48
ubottubug 1366206 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Graphical desktop not starting from livesession" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136620621:48
elfyin case anyone tries 21:49
Unit193vbox too?21:50
elfythat is vbox21:50
elfyought to say so in bug21:50
Unit193Checked, didn't see it.  OK.21:51
elfyit didn't say it :) I meant I ought to say so :)21:51
elfywell - I'm off now - night all 21:52

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