| robru | jhodapp: sorry for the spam, was using your silo to debug an issue in production. | 00:57 |
|---|---|---|
| robru | i think it's fixed now | 00:57 |
| jhodapp | robru, dang | 00:57 |
| jhodapp | robru, did I move silos now? | 00:58 |
| robru | jhodapp: oh yeah, sorry, that was a separate issue, had to free you and reassign it. you're in 5 now | 00:59 |
| robru | rtm5 | 00:59 |
| jhodapp | robru, ok | 00:59 |
| robru | jhodapp: ok, there's a package in your PPA, so the issue I was debugging is fixed, *PHEW* ;-) | 01:00 |
| jhodapp | robru: good news :) | 01:00 |
| jhodapp | robru, hopefully after I get a review by ricmm this weekend, I'll be landing that | 01:00 |
| robru | jhodapp: My bug rendered citrain completely incapable of building *anything* in RTM ;-) | 01:01 |
| jhodapp | robru, oh man, no good | 01:01 |
| robru | jhodapp: at 6PM on a friday ;-) | 01:01 |
| robru | jhodapp: but I fixed it! Now it's time for dinner... | 01:01 |
| jhodapp | robru, so when I land in Ubuntu and want to then land in the ubuntu-rtm, what do I need to do? | 01:02 |
| jhodapp | robru, there were so many emails sent about that I got so confused | 01:02 |
| robru | jhodapp: oh yeah it's rubbish | 01:02 |
| robru | jhodapp: basically now you have to make two requests, the utopic one as normal, and then the rtm one is just a copypaste, but change your MP to empty and your source packages can just say 'sync:' (we'll fill in what to sync after the utopic silo lands). | 01:03 |
| robru | jhodapp: when in doubt, copy what other people are doing. there's lots of examples in the spreadsheet | 01:03 |
| jhodapp | robru, so then that gets built for the ubuntu-rtm branch, and then both need to be manually landed by the CI team? | 01:04 |
| cwayne1 | did we do the rtm fork a bit early? | 01:05 |
| cwayne1 | just based on the fact that like more than 50% of the MPs then include a sync: | 01:05 |
| jhodapp | cwayne1, yeah, when would an MP only be landed in one anyway? | 01:06 |
| robru | jhodapp: utopic needs to publish before rtm starts to build | 01:07 |
| robru | bbl, dinner for real | 01:07 |
| jhodapp | robru, ok cool | 01:07 |
| jhodapp | enjoy | 01:07 |
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| cwayne1 | jhodapp: right? no idea | 01:10 |
| * ToyKeeper wonders what's with everyone trying to land huge silos or core app changes at the last minute on a Friday | 01:30 | |
| imgbot | === trainguards: IMAGE 229 building (started: 20140906 02:05) === | 02:05 |
| imgbot | === trainguards: RTM IMAGE 21 building (started: 20140906 03:05) === | 03:05 |
| bzoltan | cjwatson: OK, i have approved the MR | 03:23 |
| imgbot | === trainguards: IMAGE 229 DONE (finished: 20140906 03:50) === | 03:50 |
| imgbot | === changelog: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/229.changes === | 03:50 |
| tedg | robru, K, done | 04:05 |
| imgbot | === trainguards: RTM IMAGE 21 DONE (finished: 20140906 04:20) === | 04:20 |
| imgbot | === changelog: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/21.changes === | 04:20 |
| popey | upgraded my krillin to 21 OTA and unity8 is in an apport/crash loop. going back to #20 | 08:07 |
| popey | same happened when i went 16->17 | 08:07 |
| asac | hmm. for me it was a bit flaky ... e.g. hart to convince to do the upgrade (had to go to settings a few times) | 08:09 |
| asac | but 21 is running here | 08:09 |
| popey | went back to 20 | 08:19 |
| popey | i am wondering if there's some issue with download/checksum here | 08:19 |
| cjwatson | bzoltan: thanks | 08:20 |
| popey | because when i went 16->17 the download took forever | 08:20 |
| bzoltan | cjwatson: Just ping me when this MR lands so I can port it to Trusty and release in the SDK PPA. | 08:20 |
| cjwatson | ok | 08:23 |
| cjwatson | sigh, mvo is offline and I can't set a commit message there | 08:27 |
| cjwatson | bzoltan: would you mind setting the commit message on that MP to "Run pkcon with --allow-untrusted (LP: #1360582)." ? | 08:28 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1360582 in PackageKit "Can't manually install clicks "Signature verification error" since #205" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1360582 | 08:28 |
| cjwatson | then I can get on with building it | 08:28 |
| bzoltan | cjwatson: done | 09:46 |
| bzoltan | Sorry, my response time is not the best on Saturday. I had to suspend two girls. | 09:46 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: sergiusens: It seems that the `phablet-config edges-intro --disable` does not do what used to do. The device boots to the edges intro. | 09:48 |
| ogra_ | bzoltan, yes, thats a bug in cgroups, mterry and hallyn were working on it all day yesterday | 09:49 |
| ogra_ | or rather in the combo of cgroups and lightdm as i understood | 09:49 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: OK, good to know. It means I can not reboot between AP tests. | 09:50 |
| ogra_ | you could hack something together that runs as root ... and upstart job with the dbus call from "phablet-config edges-intro" for example | 09:51 |
| ogra_ | (the prob is that the user has no permissions to talk to the accountservice via dbus) | 09:52 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: that sounds doable | 09:52 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: ehh | 09:52 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: is there any way to prevent screen lock? | 10:05 |
| popey | bzoltan: powerd-cli active | 10:14 |
| popey | dunno if that's the "official" way but that's how I do it. | 10:14 |
| bzoltan | popey: thanks | 10:14 |
| popey | keeps the screen on | 10:14 |
| ogra_ | there is some new unlock code as well in the unity8-autopilot package iirc | 10:23 |
| asac | ogra_: do you know if johns tarball made it into rtm branch yesterday? | 11:04 |
| * asac didnt get an escalation so he assumes it is in | 11:04 | |
| ogra_ | in image 20 | 11:06 |
| asac | nice | 11:06 |
| * asac crosses finger that this powerd issue is really not comgin back | 11:07 | |
| asac | so far the phone is still up | 11:07 |
| ogra_ | i havent seen it in more than a week here | 11:08 |
| asac | i saw it every day | 11:09 |
| asac | ogra_: guess you are not running around with your phone much :) | 11:09 |
| asac | and reboot regularly? | 11:09 |
| ogra_ | no, i dont reboot unless something is seriously broken | 11:09 |
| ogra_ | but i charge over night so it only has long sleep phases during the day | 11:10 |
| asac | interesting | 11:10 |
| asac | ok | 11:10 |
| ogra_ | and these are rarely more than 2h | 11:10 |
| asac | i dont know what long is though | 11:10 |
| asac | think long is long enough for deep sleep | 11:10 |
| asac | doesnt matter how long in that sleep mode i would think | 11:10 |
| ogra_ | probably we have multiple stages of deep sleep in the HW | 11:10 |
| * asac happy that gmail webapp seems to not forget his cookies anymore | 11:13 | |
| * asac hugs dbarth if he would be here | 11:13 | |
| bzoltan | ogra_: I am running tests on #229. the good news is that actually some of the tests pass | 11:18 |
| ogra_ | cool | 11:18 |
| asac | some :) | 11:20 |
| bzoltan | even better... all sudoku app tests pass :) the first fully validated app | 11:25 |
| ogra_ | are you testing rtm or utopic ? | 11:27 |
| ogra_ | asac, seeing your "word suggestion" mail ... try a sudo command in the terminal-app with that on ;) | 11:30 |
| ogra_ | (and enjoy having your sudo pasword from now on in the word suggestion cache :P | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | ) | 11:31 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: utopic #229 | 11:35 |
| ogra_ | k | 11:35 |
| asac | u know what i hate | 11:50 |
| asac | auto correction | 11:50 |
| asac | thats the most useless thing in the world | 11:50 |
| asac | really | 11:50 |
| asac | whoever invented that had no clue how folks dont want to type proper german or english | 11:51 |
| asac | ogra_: it doesnt remember my pin | 11:52 |
| asac | if i dont tell it to | 11:52 |
| asac | what it does though is post it first thing on terminal after i enter it to get acecess to terminal | 11:52 |
| asac | guess thats a bug though | 11:53 |
| asac | auto suggestion doesnt auto remember | 11:53 |
| asac | you have to click the word after typing so it adds it to its dictionary | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | it will show your pin as first suggestion in the wordlist if you enter the first char of it for the duration of the terminal session | 11:53 |
| asac | at least thats how i learned it and how i see it here | 11:53 |
| asac | ogra_: no it doesnt | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | it does here | 11:53 |
| asac | not for me | 11:54 |
| ogra_ | if my pin is 1234 and i type 1 the first suggestion on the left is always 1234 | 11:54 |
| asac | i think you accidentially added it to your dict | 11:54 |
| asac | by clicking on it when it was in the suggestion bar while typing | 11:54 |
| ogra_ | how wouold i do that ?? | 11:54 |
| ogra_ | hmm | 11:54 |
| asac | ogra_: so when you type you see the suggestions and on the left you see what you type | 11:54 |
| asac | if you click on that it will add that to dict | 11:54 |
| asac | try with brbriwer | 11:54 |
| asac | it will do a whitespace after you hit it and add to dict | 11:55 |
| asac | and its the ONLY way to actually leave a word that isnt suggested like it is if you have auto correction | 11:55 |
| asac | so if i want to write with autocorrection "mennomeno" i have to click it ohterwise it gets transformed into something else | 11:55 |
| asac | :( | 11:55 |
| asac | and then its in dict forever | 11:55 |
| asac | anyway, in general apps should be able to set modes | 11:56 |
| asac | that dont have auto suggestions | 11:56 |
| asac | like password | 11:56 |
| asac | otoh, in browser you can also remember you pass :) | 11:56 |
| asac | but thats different | 11:56 |
| asac | ogra_: i dont know where the ddictionary is kept | 11:56 |
| asac | but i am sure you will find it in there | 11:56 |
| asac | oh ... there is another bug | 11:57 |
| asac | 1. after i unlock terminal it prints the pin in the first line | 11:57 |
| ogra_ | it is gone when i close the terminal | 11:57 |
| asac | 2. and of course at that point it shows the 3050 | 11:57 |
| asac | but only for the first line | 11:57 |
| asac | after that | 11:57 |
| asac | weird | 11:57 |
| ogra_ | only happens within one session | 11:57 |
| asac | but thats a bug | 11:57 |
| asac | right, but for me it doesnt happen after the second line | 11:57 |
| * asac tries again | 11:57 | |
| * ogra_ sighs ... why is krillin always behavinng different :( | 11:58 | |
| asac | 1. kill terminal | 11:58 |
| asac | 2. open terminal enter pin | 11:58 |
| asac | 3. click in terminal pastes my pin :) | 11:58 |
| asac | 4. /me uses backspace to delete | 11:58 |
| asac | 5. type ls | 11:58 |
| asac | 6. type first digit of pin -> does not suggest my pin | 11:59 |
| cjwatson | bzoltan: thanks. response time entirely understandable, I don't expect people to be around on Saturday :) | 11:59 |
| asac | thats what i experience | 11:59 |
| asac | ogra_: try that :) | 11:59 |
| cjwatson | asac: autocorrect is an utter pain when I'm trying to type Irish ... | 11:59 |
| asac | you just not hit enter after the pin gets pasted on first line i guess | 11:59 |
| ogra_ | hmm, right | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | doesnt happen anymore | 12:00 |
| asac | cjwatson: hey :) yes, i hate it a lot for whatever. i use my own shorthands and special english-germano self inventions and it ONLY gets in my way :) | 12:00 |
| asac | and the bad is you dont notice that it changed your word until after you send the text :P | 12:00 |
| asac | i think i have it never do the right correction for me in android | 12:00 |
| asac | cant imagine it helps anyone else :P | 12:01 |
| cjwatson | I'm fine with autocorrect being offered (autosuggest or whatever); the annoying bit is when it's automatically applied when you go to the next word by entering space or whatever | 12:01 |
| cjwatson | that just gets in the way | 12:01 |
| asac | yes thats autocorrection | 12:01 |
| asac | suggestion is fine, just dont bloody do it :) | 12:01 |
| cjwatson | amen | 12:01 |
| asac | see the mail thread :) | 12:01 |
| asac | i think we should turn on suggestion, but nothing else by default | 12:01 |
| asac | ogra_: its weird... i think the big problem is the initial paste | 12:02 |
| asac | which is super buggy | 12:02 |
| asac | ogra_: a) why does it paste anything when i first click in the terminal | 12:02 |
| asac | b) why is my pin in the clipboard | 12:03 |
| asac | -> that certainly is a security bug too | 12:03 |
| asac | ogra_: who would know? mterry? where do i file this bug against? | 12:03 |
| mterry | asac, for Terminal? | 12:04 |
| ogra_ | terminal-app i would guess | 12:04 |
| asac | mterry: yeah see the steps here: | 12:04 |
| asac | 13:57 < asac> 1. kill terminal | 12:04 |
| asac | 13:57 < asac> 2. open terminal enter pin | 12:04 |
| asac | 13:57 < asac> 3. click in terminal pastes my pin :) | 12:04 |
| asac | 13:58 < asac> 4. /me uses backspace to delete | 12:04 |
| asac | 13:58 < asac> 5. type ls | 12:04 |
| mterry | asac, I'm guessing they forgot to turn off the predictive hint for their keyboard entry | 12:04 |
| asac | 13:58 < asac> 6. type first digit of pin -> does not suggest my pin | 12:04 |
| mterry | asac, I think the lockscreen also does that, shame on me | 12:04 |
| asac | look at step 3 | 12:04 |
| mterry | asac, I don't know why it's in the clipboard | 12:05 |
| asac | i enter pin and in the unlock screen and its in the clipboard it seems | 12:05 |
| asac | i dont know why terminal pastes when i click in it :) | 12:05 |
| asac | but it must come from somewhere | 12:05 |
| asac | hehe | 12:05 |
| mterry | asac, but I remember hearing someone blame the OSK / predictive text for that | 12:05 |
| * asac doesnt know if its in the clipboard | 12:05 | |
| asac | just assumes | 12:05 |
| asac | mterry: for stuff being in the clipboard? | 12:05 |
| mterry | asac, well, for the text showing up like that, wherever it came from | 12:06 |
| asac | mterry: read the instructions | 12:06 |
| asac | it doesnt show up :) | 12:06 |
| mterry | asac, well it's pasted in? | 12:06 |
| asac | (as suggestion) | 12:06 |
| asac | yeah | 12:06 |
| asac | but not as suggestion | 12:06 |
| asac | just as real content | 12:06 |
| asac | it is not suggested after that (unless you accept it of course) | 12:06 |
| mterry | asac, I think someone mentioned the same problem with the lockscreen and pasting text into app | 12:06 |
| asac | intersting | 12:07 |
| asac | mterry: where shall i file this against? | 12:07 |
| mterry | asac, and at the time it was theorized it was due to the OSK's treatment of predictive text | 12:07 |
| asac | so we dont forget to look into it | 12:07 |
| asac | predictive text == suggestion? | 12:07 |
| mterry | asac, with the suggestion that the lockscreen should really disable predictive text for that field (or really, maybe the password hint should automatically disable it) | 12:07 |
| mterry | asac, I think so yes | 12:07 |
| * asac turns all that stuff off and tries again | 12:07 | |
| mterry | asac, well I have that off and I still see it | 12:08 |
| mterry | asac, I'd guess OSK for now, to file the bug | 12:08 |
| asac | mterry: what do you have off? all options? or just auto correction? | 12:08 |
| asac | this time with all options turned off it didnt happen | 12:08 |
| mterry | asac, uh... I think I have the default set of options | 12:08 |
| * asac tries more options | 12:08 | |
| asac | mterry: can you check in settings -> language? | 12:08 |
| * asac doesnt know what the defaults are | 12:08 | |
| asac | yeah so just word suggestion withtout anything causes this | 12:09 |
| asac | so indeed | 12:09 |
| mterry | asac, uh no, I can't check right now actually -- but I remember that I saw this bug with a test device, not my dogfood one, so it was with the new default of predicitive=on | 12:09 |
| asac | guess auto suggestion uses clipboard to get the current text to then look in dictionary | 12:09 |
| asac | mterry: dont worry | 12:09 |
| asac | have confirmed its the suggestion feature | 12:10 |
| * asac will file bug | 12:10 | |
| asac | whats the package? | 12:10 |
| ogra_ | ubuntu-keyboard ? | 12:10 |
| asac | really? | 12:10 |
| * asac tries | 12:11 | |
| ogra_ | well, that handles all auto suggestion | 12:11 |
| asac | ok bug 1366314 | 12:16 |
| ubot5 | bug 1366314 in ubuntu-keyboard (Ubuntu) "security issue? auto suggest seems to copy credentials into clipboard" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366314 | 12:16 |
| asac | subscribed jamie and marc | 12:17 |
| asac | will shoot them a mal so they keep that on their radar | 12:17 |
| ogra_ | is it my fingers or is the krillin touchscreen a lot more sensitive recently ? + | 12:20 |
| ogra_ | i can hardly scrolll in webapps without tapping a link | 12:21 |
| cjwatson | whoops, I forgot citrain inserts bug refs | 12:23 |
| cjwatson | oh well, just a slightly noisy qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu changelog | 12:23 |
| ogra_ | heh, i gave up wondering about weird changelogs | 12:24 |
| cjwatson | things I love: ppc64el (and nowadays powerpc too) build times. we should just ram power8s into all our phones | 12:24 |
| ogra_ | haha | 12:25 |
| ogra_ | its getting winter soon ... i could need a pocket oven :) | 12:25 |
| asac | power is cool and powerful :P | 12:25 |
| asac | they dont waste energy on heat... just pure computing :P | 12:25 |
| asac | lol | 12:25 |
| ogra_ | yeah, i guess sparc would be the better oven here | 12:26 |
| * cjwatson sits back and contemplates the laws of thermodynamics | 12:26 | |
| asac | heh | 12:27 |
| asac | i heard go will reduce build times a lot for us :P | 12:29 |
| ogra_ | lol, go ... | 12:29 |
| asac | no more C++ energy waste | 12:29 |
| ogra_ | go away | 12:29 |
| cjwatson | it had better, since once we have go shared libraries it sounds like we'll be rebuilding the universe frequently :) | 12:30 |
| asac | cjwatson: you say with shared library we will do more rebuilding? | 12:31 |
| asac | or was that a typo? | 12:31 |
| cjwatson | see the thread on -tech | 12:31 |
| asac | hmm | 12:31 |
| cjwatson | the current upstream strategy for go shared libraries will basically bump the soname equiv on every source change | 12:31 |
| cjwatson | at least to start with | 12:31 |
| cjwatson | I'm ok with it as long as it improves later :) | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | another regular haskell bomb for -changes | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | :) | 12:32 |
| asac | heh | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | exactly, except with runtimes as well | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | closer to current ocaml | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | so ... just as well we know how to deal with that kind of thing now ;) | 12:32 |
| asac | what was the motivation driver for folks doing a shared library approach like they did now? | 12:36 |
| cjwatson | I think it's effectively the simplest possible strategy | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | they did flag it as something they might well refine later | 12:38 |
| asac | right. but did they do this effort because of us (aka distros) asking for it or because they found their own reason to need this? | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | oh, right, not totally sure but we have definitely been asking about it, and they noted that part of their proposal was explicitly targeted at distribution builders | 12:39 |
| cjwatson | the proposal is a bit broader than just shared libraries for distros; I only read parts of it | 12:39 |
| bzoltan | as expected the unity8 tests are not really happy with the lockings | 12:45 |
| cjwatson | how do I get click and packagekit into the silo config for ubuntu-rtm/landing-003? | 12:49 |
| cjwatson | is the spreadsheet syntax wrong there? hmm, maybe it needs to lose the :version | 12:50 |
| * cjwatson tries that | 12:50 | |
| * ogra_ notes that lxc-android-config made it into the archive and triggers a utopic image build | 12:51 | |
| cjwatson | much better | 12:53 |
| cjwatson | asac: I've mailed mvo to let him know that's done, but not expecting him to test over the weekend | 12:56 |
| asac | cjwatson: yes perfect. | 12:58 |
| asac | thanks! | 12:58 |
| asac | cjwatson: if its in rtm silo qa will also help testing and give more assurance; they just need goo guidance what type of stuff could happen | 12:58 |
| asac | anyway... | 12:59 |
| * asac steps out for couple hours | 12:59 | |
| asac | hope you guys are having weekend then | 12:59 |
| * asac waves | 12:59 | |
| cjwatson | yeah, will send it off to QA on Monday | 12:59 |
| cjwatson | I'm off too, I smell lunch | 12:59 |
| imgbot | === trainguards: IMAGE 230 building (started: 20140906 13:00) === | 13:00 |
| imgbot | === trainguards: IMAGE 230 DONE (finished: 20140906 14:35) === | 14:35 |
| imgbot | === changelog: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/230.changes === | 14:35 |
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