| bluesabre | hey all | 02:25 |
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| bluesabre | late night | 02:25 |
| bluesabre | I'll update descriptions, ppas, etc tomorrow morning | 02:25 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: thanks for summing things up | 02:26 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Just so you know, was slightly trolling too. | 02:26 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: I'll finish getting the xfce packages copied from your ppa | 02:27 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: got it ;) | 02:27 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Not sure the descriptions are final. | 02:30 |
| bluesabre | ok, I'll review them and add my comments as well | 02:30 |
| bluesabre | maybe we'll keep the pad open until the mtg next week | 02:31 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, cool. i've got our games in it too, if we want them | 02:36 |
| Noskcaj | And could you take a look at the MREs? | 02:36 |
| bluesabre | Yes, going to take care of those this weekend as well | 02:36 |
| bluesabre | for any of the ones that have bugs, please subscribe me to them as well so I don't lose them | 02:37 |
| bluesabre | my spurts of computer time range from 5-minutes to 5-hours, and I never know what to expect :) | 02:37 |
| bluesabre | also, thanks for packaging them :) | 02:39 |
| bluesabre | bed time, back tomorrow | 02:39 |
| Unit193 | G'nighty. | 02:44 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: bzr: ERROR: unknown command "merge-upstream" | 10:26 |
| bluesabre | Quantal/Saucy packages dropped from our PPAs, descriptions updated for xfce-4.10 and xfce-4.12 | 10:40 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: copied the remaining xfce-4.12 packages over | 10:41 |
| elfy | hi bluesabre | 10:41 |
| bluesabre | hey elfy | 10:41 |
| bluesabre | dailies are still bad? | 10:41 |
| elfy | yep | 10:41 |
| bluesabre | fun | 10:42 |
| elfy | ours - ubuntu, lubuntu - didn't check anymore than that - bug 1366206 | 10:42 |
| ubottu | bug 1366206 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Graphical desktop not starting from livesession" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366206 | 10:42 |
| elfy | you can get in from vt1 with startx | 10:42 |
| bluesabre | oh good, so that will definitely be fixed then | 10:43 |
| bluesabre | by not us | 10:43 |
| elfy | that's was my thought too :D | 10:43 |
| elfy | I also did a bug for autopilot - which balloons has confirmed so that hopefully, this sort of thing will flag up as a fail | 10:44 |
| elfy | if the ap test gets created of course | 10:44 |
| bluesabre | I see | 10:45 |
| elfy | other than that - the only odd thing I'm seeing currently is the xfpm system tab one | 10:46 |
| bluesabre | yeah, that one is unusual | 10:47 |
| elfy | it is | 10:47 |
| elfy | I confirmed it from a clean install - but I don't see the issue here, not checked the other install though - that one lags behind a bit after all the boot issues of late ;) | 10:48 |
| bluesabre | reasonably :) | 10:49 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: I'm still not quite sure how to properly do the packaging for xfdesktop4 4.11.7 (trusty) | 10:51 |
| bluesabre | we have it in utopic, right? | 10:52 |
| brainwash | yes | 10:52 |
| bluesabre | install ubuntu-dev-tools, "backportpackage" can do the rest | 10:52 |
| bluesabre | then you just tweak the debian changelog | 10:52 |
| brainwash | the changelog is the tricky part | 10:53 |
| bluesabre | oh? | 10:53 |
| brainwash | do I keep the original one? | 10:53 |
| bluesabre | we kind of merge it together | 10:53 |
| bluesabre | basically, latest trusty, and then whatever is newest date after that from utopic, and then the newest trusty on top | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | trusty-current, utopic-latest, new-trusty | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | backportpackage might handle that as well | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | I can take a look later | 10:55 |
| bluesabre | but if you want to practice, you have those tools | 10:55 |
| bluesabre | :) | 10:55 |
| elfy | hi brainwash | 10:55 |
| brainwash | hey elfy | 10:56 |
| * bluesabre works on packaging new gtk-theme-config | 10:56 | |
| elfy | anyone know if slickymaster did a bug for the xfpm settings manager issue? | 10:58 |
| knome | i don't think he did, but it's quickly checked | 10:58 |
| elfy | haha | 10:58 |
| elfy | found it :) | 10:58 |
| knome | good | 10:58 |
| elfy | oh no I didn't | 10:58 |
| knome | stop lying to me :P | 10:59 |
| elfy | it was behind you ... | 10:59 |
| knome | well that i can believe | 10:59 |
| elfy | seems not if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 is anything to go by | 10:59 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: also, do we need to re-open the corresponding xfdesktop4 lp reports? nominate for trusty I guess | 11:00 |
| * elfy changes previous bug title so he doesn't get confused again | 11:00 | |
| bluesabre | not sure, nominate for trusty for sure | 11:01 |
| elfy | back to the other install for a short while | 11:01 |
| elfy | ochosi bluesabre bug 1366308 | 11:33 |
| ubottu | bug 1366308 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "System Tab unusable as user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366308 | 11:33 |
| elfy | there is now knome :p | 11:33 |
| knome | good ;) | 11:33 |
| elfy | odd one - try and run it as root and it crashes | 11:34 |
| knome | heh | 11:34 |
| ochosi | elfy: yeah, slickymaster mentioned that yesterday | 11:35 |
| elfy | ochosi: yea - there was seemingly no report at LP or bugzilla - so I did both | 11:36 |
| ochosi | ty | 11:36 |
| ochosi | not sure what's up with that tbh | 11:36 |
| ochosi | possibly a packaging issue | 11:37 |
| elfy | me neither obviously :p | 11:37 |
| brainwash | open a terminal window and run "xfce4-power-manager --debug" :P | 11:37 |
| elfy | who added it to the blueprint lol | 11:37 |
| brainwash | it's a bug.. isn't it? | 11:38 |
| elfy | yea - I just went to add it :) | 11:38 |
| brainwash | and we want to make sure that it will be fixed | 11:38 |
| brainwash | :D | 11:38 |
| brainwash | gotta be faster next time | 11:39 |
| elfy | heh | 11:40 |
| elfy | well I think I've caught up with current issues | 11:41 |
| elfy | unless there are some hiding | 11:41 |
| knome | bbl -> | 11:43 |
| elfy | ochosi bluesabre - sigh ... xfpm is set to Never Never Never xset - q timeout -> timeout: 600 cycle: 0 and xset -q DPMS -> standby: 600 Suspend: 0 Off: 900 | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | I wonder if those are X defaults, and if xfpm doesn't set anything if values are 0 or null | 12:16 |
| elfy | not touched anything like lls or xfpm since the last time :) | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | ochosi ^ | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | gotta run now, bbabl | 12:16 |
| elfy | yep - cya | 12:17 |
| elfy | I'm not really here either - mirage | 12:17 |
| elfy | slickymaster: so looking at http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds - not got bistream vera installed here | 14:39 |
| elfy | Unit193: the black screen - appears to only be a vm issue here - usb booted to desktop fine | 15:04 |
| Unit193 | Lightdm one? Yeah that took a dump on me not so long ago. | 15:07 |
| elfy | fun for all | 15:08 |
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| elfy | didn't notice myself - but why does minimal have xscreensaver instead of lightlocker - if I did know, I've obviously forgotten :) | 15:55 |
| jjfrv8 | elfy, don't know about that ^, but should the browser and mail client be missing in minimal? They still show in Whisker. | 15:58 |
| Unit193 | elfy: xfce4-session has rec: xscreensaver | light-locker | 16:00 |
| elfy | Unit193: and that means ... | 16:00 |
| elfy | it gets xscreen does it | 16:00 |
| Unit193 | Basically, yep. | 16:00 |
| elfy | jjfrv8: from the spec - neither installed - so that's be a bug with whiskermenu I'd say | 16:01 |
| Unit193 | jjfrv8: exo-utils ships exo-mail*.desktop and same for browser, so it'll work with whatever default mail and browsers you install. | 16:01 |
| elfy | or ignore me :p | 16:01 |
| Unit193 | dpkg -L exo-utils | grep desktop | 16:02 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: would you mind reviewing http://www.smdavis.us/tmp/gtk-theme-config_1.2-0ubuntu1.dsc to make sure I didn't do anything stupid? It *should* be ok | 16:02 |
| elfy | so my plan for QA in Vapid Vampire is to test core | 16:02 |
| elfy | and ignore desktop :p | 16:03 |
| bluesabre | elfy: +1 | 16:04 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: +VALAFLAGS:= you just assigned something to VALAFLAGS, do you not want to append? | 16:06 |
| bluesabre | ah | 16:07 |
| bluesabre | which is append? | 16:07 |
| Unit193 | Can't remember the difference, and what specifically := does. Generally, += | 16:07 |
| bluesabre | got it, thanks | 16:07 |
| bluesabre | see, I did something stupid x.x | 16:07 |
| elfy | I'll fix it for you - make you look awesome :p | 16:08 |
| Unit193 | And to think of it, is the line above needed? | 16:08 |
| bluesabre | yeah, for some reason it dies hard without it | 16:08 |
| bluesabre | been experimenting for a while this morning | 16:08 |
| bluesabre | originally put there by micah | 16:09 |
| Unit193 | OK, it doesn't look like you need to directly patch that, but no harm in doing so. Otherwise looks fine. Going to push to Debian too? | 16:11 |
| bluesabre | thats the plan... though not sure what the path of least resistance is to debian | 16:11 |
| Unit193 | Two more: Did the homepage officially change? And: Newest version on remote site is 1.0, local version is 1.2 gtk-theme-config: remote site does not even have current version | 16:13 |
| bluesabre | not sure that it officially changed, but satya has only been pushing to lp | 16:14 |
| bluesabre | I should probably change that | 16:14 |
| bluesabre | also, can't update the Vcs since I'm not a member of gtk-theme-config | 16:15 |
| bluesabre | (yet) | 16:15 |
| bluesabre | so yeah, I'll hack on this a bit more and try to clean up | 16:15 |
| bluesabre | heading out for lunch now | 16:15 |
| bluesabre | thanks for your help Unit193 | 16:15 |
| Unit193 | Sure, anytime. | 16:16 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: btw (haven't left for lunch yet) you were right that the line above, can be dropped | 16:52 |
| bluesabre | :) | 16:52 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: any clue about users not being allowed to modify the xfpm system settings? | 16:52 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: if its commented out, its in your code ;) | 16:53 |
| bluesabre | er, disabled | 16:53 |
| bluesabre | not commented out | 16:53 |
| bluesabre | I haven't looked at the code yet | 16:53 |
| ochosi | commented out? | 16:54 |
| ochosi | ah right | 16:54 |
| ochosi | well from what i heard it's a problem with policies | 16:54 |
| ochosi | worked for me always though | 16:54 |
| ochosi | so that's why i was wondering... | 16:55 |
| bluesabre | works for me too | 16:55 |
| bluesabre | maybe different upower or something | 16:55 |
| bluesabre | not sure | 16:55 |
| bluesabre | search for gtk_widget_set_sensitive | 16:55 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: vm only bug ? | 17:01 |
| bluesabre | might be difference of vm with guest-utils installed | 17:03 |
| brainwash | the important info is always missing, like output of upower -d | 17:09 |
| brainwash | elfy: ^ | 17:10 |
| brainwash | and xfce4-power-manager --debug | 17:11 |
| brainwash | and maybe some loginctl magic | 17:11 |
| Unit193 | Normally dpms stuff too. | 17:11 |
| brainwash | and inxi :> | 17:12 |
| elfy | brainwash: yea? | 17:15 |
| elfy | Xubuntu 14.10 Beta 1 Experiences With Kaveri :Thanks to all the developers & everyone involved . I will be making a donation. | 17:19 |
| elfy | passing it along :) | 17:19 |
| brainwash | elfy: your system tab report lacks debugging info | 17:21 |
| elfy | then you need to ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug ;) | 17:21 |
| brainwash | maybe even a screenshot | 17:21 |
| elfy | I just do what we are supposed to | 17:22 |
| brainwash | yea :) | 17:22 |
| brainwash | but someone has to fix this bug | 17:22 |
| elfy | I do have a screeny somewhere | 17:22 |
| brainwash | also, please attach the output of "upower -d" and "xfce4-power-manager --debug" | 17:23 |
| elfy | not doing all that now - I don't keep vm's running | 17:23 |
| brainwash | so it is a vm only bug? | 17:24 |
| elfy | add it to the bug and when I get the time tomorrow I'll do it | 17:24 |
| elfy | possibly | 17:24 |
| brainwash | alright then | 17:24 |
| elfy | who knows :) | 17:24 |
| elfy | tbh until I've got an image that I can boot in vm without mucking about I'm not all that convinced of anything | 17:25 |
| elfy | vm's are getting the CanGraphical=no issue - I booted the same image on hardware and it worked | 17:25 |
| ochosi | elfy: so the bug is kinda racy? | 17:36 |
| ochosi | in temrs of not always being reproducible | 17:36 |
| elfy | I'm just thinking of where I can reproduce it actually | 17:36 |
| elfy | hold fire on thinking about it much for the moment :) | 17:37 |
| elfy | cuurently - NOT in image booted to vm/NOT in my install(s) but IS in a vm install | 17:38 |
| elfy | not sure where slickymaster sees it | 17:38 |
| ochosi | odd | 17:39 |
| elfy | I don't see IT nor the cangraphical=no bug if I boot the image on hardware - just going to sort a clean install so will know more then | 17:39 |
| elfy | very odd - which is why I said "tbh until I've got an image that I can boot in vm without ..." | 17:39 |
| elfy | I don't know what that loginctl issue causes elsewhere | 17:40 |
| elfy | biab | 17:41 |
| elfy | ochosi bluesabre - ok so the ONLY place I see this bug is in a vm install - works fine on hardware | 18:03 |
| elfy | funnily enough the only place I see the show-seat issue is in vm as well | 18:04 |
| elfy | I'd mark the bug as Really Odd if the option existed :) | 18:04 |
| elfy | bbl | 18:07 |
| ochosi | thanks for checking elfy :) | 18:09 |
| ochosi | guess you saved us a lot of time | 18:09 |
| elfy | welcome :) | 18:10 |
| elfy | yea I'd say so - I'll be interested to see if once the lightdm issue is fixed in vm this one disappears | 18:10 |
| elfy | even if it does make it weirder :D | 18:10 |
| bluesabre | elfy: do you have guest extensions installed? | 18:11 |
| elfy | bluesabre: yep | 18:12 |
| bluesabre | k | 18:12 |
| elfy | bluesabre: I can try quickly with it uninstalled if you want | 18:12 |
| elfy | I did - no difference to the install | 18:15 |
| elfy | one more test to do then I really will be gone for a bit :p | 18:15 |
| bluesabre | ok | 18:16 |
| bluesabre | I'll try a few things | 18:17 |
| elfy | test 1a - still Cangraphical=no | 18:17 |
| bluesabre | elfy, can you past the link to your screenshot? | 18:19 |
| elfy | http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-050914-174552.php | 18:20 |
| bluesabre | ok | 18:20 |
| bluesabre | figured it out | 18:20 |
| bluesabre | if you hover over that, it says ~ "suspend and hibernate not supported" | 18:20 |
| bluesabre | trying to suspend my vm, this seems like the case | 18:21 |
| bluesabre | my vm does hibernate | 18:22 |
| elfy | bluesabre: ok - but sleep used to work | 18:22 |
| bluesabre | but... I thought hibernate was disabled in ubuntu | 18:22 |
| elfy | oh | 18:22 |
| * bluesabre is getting confused | 18:22 | |
| elfy | hang on - confusion between display and system | 18:23 |
| elfy | yea - me too - is the system tab in xfpm new(ish) | 18:23 |
| bluesabre | several parts of it are, I think | 18:23 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: poke | 18:24 |
| elfy | so why is it available (system sleep) when running the live session? | 18:24 |
| bluesabre | xfce4-session bug probably | 18:24 |
| elfy | I guess that is the oddity - if it was disabled in both | 18:24 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: what's up? | 18:25 |
| bluesabre | I'm running with an installation in the vm | 18:25 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: read the backlog | 18:25 |
| elfy | ok - so in actuality not a bug with xfpm at all | 18:25 |
| bluesabre | :) | 18:25 |
| bluesabre | yeah, I think xfpm is actually working correctly | 18:25 |
| elfy | k - that's good then | 18:26 |
| bluesabre | I can also test in vmware player, since it handles virtual hw differently | 18:26 |
| elfy | just a bit of confusion arising | 18:26 |
| ochosi | gah, backlog | 18:26 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: seems like not a bug in xfpm | 18:26 |
| elfy | didn't help that I had two apparently the same black screen things going on in discussion | 18:26 |
| elfy | ochosi: it's not loads - just a few lines :p | 18:27 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: frankly, i thought so from the beginning ;) | 18:27 |
| bluesabre | last 7 minutes | 18:27 |
| ochosi | since it was always working | 18:27 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 18:27 |
| bluesabre | potentially a bug in xfce4-session though | 18:27 |
| elfy | cool - right I'm really off now then :) | 18:27 |
| elfy | cya later | 18:27 |
| bluesabre | seeya elfy | 18:27 |
| bluesabre | thanks! | 18:27 |
| Unit193 | Not long until the deadline for --v | 18:35 |
| Unit193 | xubutrello: due soon | 18:35 |
| xubutrello | -> 1. New default wallpaper (id: 92) due: 2014-09-08 09:00:00 UTC from list: To Do 14.10 | 18:35 |
| bluesabre | good thing knome is almost done with it | 18:36 |
| bluesabre | right knome? | 18:36 |
| bluesabre | maybe knome could grace us with a beta wallpaper | 18:36 |
| bluesabre | knome, thoughts? | 18:36 |
| bluesabre | :> | 18:37 |
| Unit193 | Hah, niiice. :D | 18:37 |
| Unit193 | Think that countdown thing died out a few cycles back. | 18:37 |
| bluesabre | if we get a fixed one, I'll put it up on my site, somewhere obnoxious | 18:38 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: hehe, yeah i pinged him about it a few times already ;) | 19:00 |
| ochosi | but since UIF is approaching, i guess we should keep it up | 19:01 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 19:01 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: would you test the updated gtk-theme-config if I threw it into the experimental ppa? | 19:01 |
| bluesabre | brb | 19:02 |
| bluesabre | yay, logged out and back in without breakage | 19:05 |
| bluesabre | and locales work with the updated package | 19:06 |
| bluesabre | yo puedo configurar mis paneles en espanol | 19:06 |
| bluesabre | !es | bluesabre | 19:07 |
| ubottu | bluesabre, please see my private message | 19:07 |
| bluesabre | :) | 19:07 |
| bluesabre | managed to hack a translated desktop file into the new package :] | 19:59 |
| bluesabre | building here: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa | 20:03 |
| brainwash | can we bring gdmflexiserver back, let some xfce package install it? | 20:22 |
| brainwash | not the real deal, just a script with the same name which runs "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" or any other command | 20:24 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: any idea what the best solution for bug 1320560 might be? | 20:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1320560 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Removal of gdmflexiserver breaks user switching" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320560 | 20:25 |
| brainwash | patch all affected packages (4) or provide our own gdmflexiserver script? | 20:27 |
| bluesabre | gdmflexiserver is gone, we should patch packages | 20:28 |
| brainwash | hardcode dm-tool? | 20:28 |
| brainwash | or point to another script? | 20:28 |
| bluesabre | gdmflexiserver is already hardcoded, so sure | 20:29 |
| brainwash | but gdmflexiserver is just a shell script | 20:29 |
| brainwash | the user can edit it | 20:29 |
| bluesabre | Which package provided it? | 20:30 |
| brainwash | lightdm | 20:30 |
| bluesabre | seems like "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" is the new thing | 20:30 |
| bluesabre | or, preferred | 20:30 |
| brainwash | does it work with gdm? | 20:30 |
| bluesabre | haven't tried it | 20:31 |
| bluesabre | in a xubuntu or ubuntu-xfce config, they're using lightdm | 20:32 |
| brainwash | that's the common setup | 20:33 |
| bluesabre | I'd have to look at the code for each package, but there's probably a few different approaches we can try | 20:33 |
| bluesabre | dm-tool just seems like the most obvious | 20:33 |
| brainwash | maybe a xflock4 style script? | 20:34 |
| bluesabre | does gdm provide gdmflexiserver? | 20:34 |
| brainwash | no | 20:35 |
| bluesabre | so, only lightdm, and it only used to? | 20:36 |
| brainwash | I think so | 20:36 |
| knome | Unit193, bluesabre: two days! | 20:37 |
| bluesabre | doesn't make sense to bring it back then, the packages should be patched | 20:37 |
| knome | come on guys, i never start preparing the final wallpaper that early | 20:37 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Is it meant to lock too? | 20:37 |
| bluesabre | knome: lol | 20:37 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: we would bring it back to make things work again | 20:38 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: not the original script, it would be a wrapper for dm-tool | 20:38 |
| bluesabre | why not update the packages to use something that exists? | 20:38 |
| brainwash | patch 4+ packages or just 1 | 20:38 |
| brainwash | :D | 20:38 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: dm-tool does lock as well | 20:41 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: I'd rather take the non-lazy route :) | 20:41 |
| brainwash | what about upstream? | 20:42 |
| bluesabre | gdmflexiserver doesn't exist upstream either :) | 20:42 |
| brainwash | but when will the devs notice? | 20:43 |
| brainwash | :P | 20:43 |
| brainwash | and why was it even removed.. | 20:45 |
| bluesabre | which packages are affected? | 20:45 |
| Unit193 | !find gdmflexiserver utopic | 20:45 |
| ubottu | File gdmflexiserver found in gnome-colors-common, gnome-icon-theme-gartoon-redux, kdm-gdmcompat, libgdm1 | 20:46 |
| brainwash | bug 1320560 | 20:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1320560 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Removal of gdmflexiserver breaks user switching" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320560 | 20:47 |
| brainwash | gdmflexiserver is to be removed in the next (1.9+) lightdm version. The | 20:47 |
| brainwash | correct way to switch user is to use dm-tool, so I'm just closing this | 20:47 |
| brainwash | bug now. | 20:47 |
| brainwash | ^ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=683373 | 20:48 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 683373 in lightdm "lightdm: User switching does not work (no gdmflexiserver provided)" [Important,Open] | 20:48 |
| bluesabre | since libgdm provides gdmflexiserver, we'd have to make whichever package conflict with gdm | 20:51 |
| bluesabre | lightdm-gtk-greeter would be the best bet | 20:51 |
| bluesabre | that still doesn't help upstream though | 20:52 |
| brainwash | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-team/lightdm/trunk/view/1840/utils/gdmflexiserver | 20:52 |
| bluesabre | er, I guess it doesn't have to conflict with update-alternatives | 20:52 |
| brainwash | looks like a simple wrapper for dm-tool | 20:53 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 20:53 |
| bluesabre | not sure what would be the best course of action | 20:53 |
| bluesabre | it seems to me that making patches for dm-tool would be best for us | 20:54 |
| bluesabre | but maybe not | 20:54 |
| bluesabre | this probably needs more discussion with more folks involved | 20:55 |
| brainwash | who's gonna patch all the packages? not me =S | 20:55 |
| brainwash | it's a small annoyance anyway, people can use the workaround and create their own gdmflexiserver script | 20:56 |
| brainwash | and whiskermenu in xubuntu already calls dm-tool | 20:56 |
| bluesabre | I agree with Corsac here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=683373 | 20:57 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 683373 in lightdm "lightdm: User switching does not work (no gdmflexiserver provided)" [Important,Open] | 20:57 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: "Patching" is long term, creating the script is a bandaid. | 20:57 |
| brainwash | btw we are talking about trusty also, right? | 20:57 |
| brainwash | that's mainly the problem, patching many packages and sru them or whatever | 20:58 |
| bluesabre | we can probably add a script to xubuntu-default-settings | 21:00 |
| bluesabre | I'll look into update-alternatives | 21:00 |
| bluesabre | but since Corsac agrees, these patches can be made in Debian and we can float them in | 21:00 |
| bluesabre | but I'll work on a script now | 21:01 |
| brainwash | xubu default settings is xubuntu only | 21:01 |
| bluesabre | I know | 21:01 |
| bluesabre | I can only upload for xubuntu | 21:01 |
| bluesabre | its a display manager script, its been dropped from lightdm | 21:01 |
| brainwash | xfce4? | 21:01 |
| bluesabre | maybe xfce4-session then | 21:02 |
| Unit193 | lightdm-gtk-greeter ? | 21:02 |
| brainwash | yeah, -session | 21:02 |
| bluesabre | xfce is modular, so it doesn't matter where we put it, people could still use xfce without it | 21:02 |
| bluesabre | but yeah, I'll work on that | 21:03 |
| brainwash | or -settings? | 21:03 |
| bluesabre | I think this is why it hasn't been fixed yet | 21:03 |
| brainwash | you can run xfce4-panel withouth -session I think | 21:03 |
| bluesabre | the best thing to do is patch the xfce packages that call it | 21:03 |
| brainwash | ah, so back to solution no.1 :) | 21:04 |
| bluesabre | that's what I think we should do | 21:04 |
| bluesabre | and yeah, that effort probably falls on me, one of the perks as tech lead | 21:04 |
| brainwash | :( | 21:05 |
| bluesabre | I'll get started on it | 21:05 |
| bluesabre | if you know any packages that use it, let me know | 21:05 |
| bluesabre | I'll patch them as I find them | 21:05 |
| brainwash | well, I already linked the lp report | 21:05 |
| bluesabre | yup | 21:05 |
| bluesabre | (I meant any others, if there are) | 21:05 |
| bluesabre | :D | 21:05 |
| brainwash | the xscreensaver package is a bit different | 21:05 |
| brainwash | bug 1309917 | 21:06 |
| ubottu | bug 1320560 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1309917 Removal of gdmflexiserver breaks user switching" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320560 | 21:06 |
| brainwash | from the comments http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/xscreensaver.git/tree/debian/xscreensaver-wrapper.sh | 21:06 |
| brainwash | I assume the xscreensaver maintainer will fix this if we tell him what to do | 21:08 |
| bluesabre | man, I'm lacking some serious upload rights | 21:26 |
| bluesabre | I'll send a request in this evening for things I'm missing | 21:26 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: xfce4-clipman-plugin MRE pending the above ^ | 21:27 |
| bluesabre | other packages, I'll try to get to tonight | 21:27 |
| bluesabre | bbl | 21:27 |
| Noskcaj | :) | 21:27 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, Are you still making the debdiff for xfdesktop4? | 21:33 |
| bluesabre | don't worry about it | 21:33 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: no progress so far, so no :( | 21:33 |
| bluesabre | just going to backport | 21:33 |
| Noskcaj | Why? We can MRE it, hardly anyone uses -backports | 21:34 |
| brainwash | "backport" | 21:34 |
| bluesabre | I mean, backport into -updates | 21:34 |
| bluesabre | :) | 21:34 |
| * bluesabre is probably going to make bluesabre-dev-tools to make the ubuntu-dev-tools scripts a bit more flexible | 21:36 | |
| Noskcaj | ha | 21:36 |
| Noskcaj | eric_the_idiot, Are you planning to have a new xfdesktop release soon? It would be nice to get those fixes to utopic | 21:37 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Mmmm, what you putting in there? | 21:37 |
| bluesabre | dunno yet... as I find things I want to improve, I'll toss them in | 21:38 |
| bluesabre | probably things that access other archives | 21:39 |
| bluesabre | mostly | 21:39 |
| knome | hmm bluesabre | 21:39 |
| knome | did you already do the changes to default settings? | 21:39 |
| bluesabre | knome: haven't pushed yet | 21:40 |
| bluesabre | todo for tonight | 21:40 |
| knome | i wanted to double-check something.. | 21:40 |
| knome | do we still ship the "xubuntu website" and "contribute to xubuntu" desktop files? | 21:40 |
| bluesabre | yes | 21:40 |
| knome | wondering if we should take some action regarding them | 21:40 |
| knome | maybe not | 21:40 |
| Unit193 | Yes, actions like removing. | 21:41 |
| knome | for example... | 21:41 |
| bluesabre | what do you want to do to them? | 21:41 |
| knome | there was some discussion to move that stuff under "about xfce" | 21:41 |
| knome | but somebody told that dialog was going to vanish from xfce.. | 21:42 |
| bluesabre | hm | 21:42 |
| bluesabre | gotta run for real now, leave me some good ideas | 21:42 |
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| knome | one of the actions we did to make those obsolete was to update the documentation startpage | 21:43 |
| knome | that's good now. | 21:43 |
| Unit193 | I've learned how nice it was to have the Settings Manager at the top of the menu. Is there a problem with whisker that prevents that? | 21:47 |
| bluesabre | still not leaving it seems | 21:49 |
| bluesabre | menu hierarchy | 21:49 |
| bluesabre | if its a submenu, it shows up in order, which kinda looks bad with whisker | 21:49 |
| bluesabre | since the order is "All" -> "Settings" -> everything else | 21:49 |
| bluesabre | UI freeze thursday, so it should be discussed now if needed :) | 21:51 |
| Unit193 | Just thinking it's a lot nicer the other way, even in addition to that other menu? | 21:51 |
| bluesabre | side-by-side http://imgur.com/Vv5idKs | 21:55 |
| bluesabre | seemed like the best way to make things searchable and ordering consistent for both | 21:55 |
| Unit193 | Just wondering what happens if you leave the "Settings Manager" at the top, but keep the submenu so you can search it. | 21:56 |
| bluesabre | that's a valid option as well | 21:57 |
| Unit193 | Doesn't give any display oddities for you in whisker? | 21:57 |
| bluesabre | I'm open to anything... the change would be transparent for whisker users | 21:58 |
| bluesabre | the sidebar only displays submenus | 21:58 |
| Unit193 | Awesome. | 21:58 |
| Unit193 | Is it just me and elfy that use classic? | 21:58 |
| bluesabre | I use whisker because the instant search and commands are handy | 21:58 |
| Unit193 | Didn't ask why, just if there's anyone else we should be asking for feedback from. | 21:59 |
| knome | i'm using the classic menu as well, but in a highly modified form. | 22:03 |
| knome | i would prefer just the settings manager item in the menu. | 22:04 |
| bluesabre | bbl | 22:12 |
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