[02:25] hey all [02:25] late night [02:25] I'll update descriptions, ppas, etc tomorrow morning [02:26] Unit193: thanks for summing things up [02:26] bluesabre: Just so you know, was slightly trolling too. [02:27] Noskcaj: I'll finish getting the xfce packages copied from your ppa [02:27] Unit193: got it ;) [02:30] bluesabre: Not sure the descriptions are final. [02:30] ok, I'll review them and add my comments as well [02:31] maybe we'll keep the pad open until the mtg next week [02:36] bluesabre, cool. i've got our games in it too, if we want them [02:36] And could you take a look at the MREs? [02:36] Yes, going to take care of those this weekend as well [02:37] for any of the ones that have bugs, please subscribe me to them as well so I don't lose them [02:37] my spurts of computer time range from 5-minutes to 5-hours, and I never know what to expect :) [02:39] also, thanks for packaging them :) [02:39] bed time, back tomorrow [02:44] G'nighty. [10:26] Noskcaj: bzr: ERROR: unknown command "merge-upstream" [10:40] Quantal/Saucy packages dropped from our PPAs, descriptions updated for xfce-4.10 and xfce-4.12 [10:41] Noskcaj: copied the remaining xfce-4.12 packages over [10:41] hi bluesabre [10:41] hey elfy [10:41] dailies are still bad? [10:41] yep [10:42] fun [10:42] ours - ubuntu, lubuntu - didn't check anymore than that - bug 1366206 [10:42] bug 1366206 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Graphical desktop not starting from livesession" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366206 [10:42] you can get in from vt1 with startx [10:43] oh good, so that will definitely be fixed then [10:43] by not us [10:43] that's was my thought too :D [10:44] I also did a bug for autopilot - which balloons has confirmed so that hopefully, this sort of thing will flag up as a fail [10:44] if the ap test gets created of course [10:45] I see [10:46] other than that - the only odd thing I'm seeing currently is the xfpm system tab one [10:47] yeah, that one is unusual [10:47] it is [10:48] I confirmed it from a clean install - but I don't see the issue here, not checked the other install though - that one lags behind a bit after all the boot issues of late ;) [10:49] reasonably :) [10:51] bluesabre: I'm still not quite sure how to properly do the packaging for xfdesktop4 4.11.7 (trusty) [10:52] we have it in utopic, right? [10:52] yes [10:52] install ubuntu-dev-tools, "backportpackage" can do the rest [10:52] then you just tweak the debian changelog [10:53] the changelog is the tricky part [10:53] oh? [10:53] do I keep the original one? [10:53] we kind of merge it together [10:54] basically, latest trusty, and then whatever is newest date after that from utopic, and then the newest trusty on top [10:54] trusty-current, utopic-latest, new-trusty [10:54] backportpackage might handle that as well [10:55] I can take a look later [10:55] but if you want to practice, you have those tools [10:55] :) [10:55] hi brainwash [10:56] hey elfy [10:56] * bluesabre works on packaging new gtk-theme-config [10:58] anyone know if slickymaster did a bug for the xfpm settings manager issue? [10:58] i don't think he did, but it's quickly checked [10:58] haha [10:58] found it :) [10:58] good [10:58] oh no I didn't [10:59] stop lying to me :P [10:59] it was behind you ... [10:59] well that i can believe [10:59] seems not if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 is anything to go by [11:00] bluesabre: also, do we need to re-open the corresponding xfdesktop4 lp reports? nominate for trusty I guess [11:00] * elfy changes previous bug title so he doesn't get confused again [11:01] not sure, nominate for trusty for sure [11:01] back to the other install for a short while [11:33] ochosi bluesabre bug 1366308 [11:33] bug 1366308 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "System Tab unusable as user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366308 [11:33] there is now knome :p [11:33] good ;) [11:34] odd one - try and run it as root and it crashes [11:34] heh [11:35] elfy: yeah, slickymaster mentioned that yesterday [11:36] ochosi: yea - there was seemingly no report at LP or bugzilla - so I did both [11:36] ty [11:36] not sure what's up with that tbh [11:37] possibly a packaging issue [11:37] me neither obviously :p [11:37] open a terminal window and run "xfce4-power-manager --debug" :P [11:37] who added it to the blueprint lol [11:38] it's a bug.. isn't it? [11:38] yea - I just went to add it :) [11:38] and we want to make sure that it will be fixed [11:38] :D [11:39] gotta be faster next time [11:40] heh [11:41] well I think I've caught up with current issues [11:41] unless there are some hiding [11:43] bbl -> [12:16] ochosi bluesabre - sigh ... xfpm is set to Never Never Never xset - q timeout -> timeout: 600 cycle: 0 and xset -q DPMS -> standby: 600 Suspend: 0 Off: 900 [12:16] I wonder if those are X defaults, and if xfpm doesn't set anything if values are 0 or null [12:16] not touched anything like lls or xfpm since the last time :) [12:16] ochosi ^ [12:16] gotta run now, bbabl [12:17] yep - cya [12:17] I'm not really here either - mirage [14:39] slickymaster: so looking at http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds - not got bistream vera installed here [15:04] Unit193: the black screen - appears to only be a vm issue here - usb booted to desktop fine [15:07] Lightdm one? Yeah that took a dump on me not so long ago. [15:08] fun for all === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [15:55] didn't notice myself - but why does minimal have xscreensaver instead of lightlocker - if I did know, I've obviously forgotten :) [15:58] elfy, don't know about that ^, but should the browser and mail client be missing in minimal? They still show in Whisker. [16:00] elfy: xfce4-session has rec: xscreensaver | light-locker [16:00] Unit193: and that means ... [16:00] it gets xscreen does it [16:00] Basically, yep. [16:01] jjfrv8: from the spec - neither installed - so that's be a bug with whiskermenu I'd say [16:01] jjfrv8: exo-utils ships exo-mail*.desktop and same for browser, so it'll work with whatever default mail and browsers you install. [16:01] or ignore me :p [16:02] dpkg -L exo-utils | grep desktop [16:02] Unit193: would you mind reviewing http://www.smdavis.us/tmp/gtk-theme-config_1.2-0ubuntu1.dsc to make sure I didn't do anything stupid? It *should* be ok [16:02] so my plan for QA in Vapid Vampire is to test core [16:03] and ignore desktop :p [16:04] elfy: +1 [16:06] bluesabre: +VALAFLAGS:= you just assigned something to VALAFLAGS, do you not want to append? [16:07] ah [16:07] which is append? [16:07] Can't remember the difference, and what specifically := does. Generally, += [16:07] got it, thanks [16:07] see, I did something stupid x.x [16:08] I'll fix it for you - make you look awesome :p [16:08] And to think of it, is the line above needed? [16:08] yeah, for some reason it dies hard without it [16:08] been experimenting for a while this morning [16:09] originally put there by micah [16:11] OK, it doesn't look like you need to directly patch that, but no harm in doing so. Otherwise looks fine. Going to push to Debian too? [16:11] thats the plan... though not sure what the path of least resistance is to debian [16:13] Two more: Did the homepage officially change? And: Newest version on remote site is 1.0, local version is 1.2 gtk-theme-config: remote site does not even have current version [16:14] not sure that it officially changed, but satya has only been pushing to lp [16:14] I should probably change that [16:15] also, can't update the Vcs since I'm not a member of gtk-theme-config [16:15] (yet) [16:15] so yeah, I'll hack on this a bit more and try to clean up [16:15] heading out for lunch now [16:15] thanks for your help Unit193 [16:16] Sure, anytime. [16:52] Unit193: btw (haven't left for lunch yet) you were right that the line above, can be dropped [16:52] :) [16:52] bluesabre: any clue about users not being allowed to modify the xfpm system settings? [16:53] ochosi: if its commented out, its in your code ;) [16:53] er, disabled [16:53] not commented out [16:53] I haven't looked at the code yet [16:54] commented out? [16:54] ah right [16:54] well from what i heard it's a problem with policies [16:54] worked for me always though [16:55] so that's why i was wondering... [16:55] works for me too [16:55] maybe different upower or something [16:55] not sure [16:55] search for gtk_widget_set_sensitive [17:01] bluesabre: vm only bug ? [17:03] might be difference of vm with guest-utils installed [17:09] the important info is always missing, like output of upower -d [17:10] elfy: ^ [17:11] and xfce4-power-manager --debug [17:11] and maybe some loginctl magic [17:11] Normally dpms stuff too. [17:12] and inxi :> [17:15] brainwash: yea? [17:19] Xubuntu 14.10 Beta 1 Experiences With Kaveri :Thanks to all the developers & everyone involved . I will be making a donation. [17:19] passing it along :) [17:21] elfy: your system tab report lacks debugging info [17:21] then you need to ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug ;) [17:21] maybe even a screenshot [17:22] I just do what we are supposed to [17:22] yea :) [17:22] but someone has to fix this bug [17:22] I do have a screeny somewhere [17:23] also, please attach the output of "upower -d" and "xfce4-power-manager --debug" [17:23] not doing all that now - I don't keep vm's running [17:24] so it is a vm only bug? [17:24] add it to the bug and when I get the time tomorrow I'll do it [17:24] possibly [17:24] alright then [17:24] who knows :) [17:25] tbh until I've got an image that I can boot in vm without mucking about I'm not all that convinced of anything [17:25] vm's are getting the CanGraphical=no issue - I booted the same image on hardware and it worked [17:36] elfy: so the bug is kinda racy? [17:36] in temrs of not always being reproducible [17:36] I'm just thinking of where I can reproduce it actually [17:37] hold fire on thinking about it much for the moment :) [17:38] cuurently - NOT in image booted to vm/NOT in my install(s) but IS in a vm install [17:38] not sure where slickymaster sees it [17:39] odd [17:39] I don't see IT nor the cangraphical=no bug if I boot the image on hardware - just going to sort a clean install so will know more then [17:39] very odd - which is why I said "tbh until I've got an image that I can boot in vm without ..." [17:40] I don't know what that loginctl issue causes elsewhere [17:41] biab [18:03] ochosi bluesabre - ok so the ONLY place I see this bug is in a vm install - works fine on hardware [18:04] funnily enough the only place I see the show-seat issue is in vm as well [18:04] I'd mark the bug as Really Odd if the option existed :) [18:07] bbl [18:09] thanks for checking elfy :) [18:09] guess you saved us a lot of time [18:10] welcome :) [18:10] yea I'd say so - I'll be interested to see if once the lightdm issue is fixed in vm this one disappears [18:10] even if it does make it weirder :D [18:11] elfy: do you have guest extensions installed? [18:12] bluesabre: yep [18:12] k [18:12] bluesabre: I can try quickly with it uninstalled if you want [18:15] I did - no difference to the install [18:15] one more test to do then I really will be gone for a bit :p [18:16] ok [18:17] I'll try a few things [18:17] test 1a - still Cangraphical=no [18:19] elfy, can you past the link to your screenshot? [18:20] http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-050914-174552.php [18:20] ok [18:20] figured it out [18:20] if you hover over that, it says ~ "suspend and hibernate not supported" [18:21] trying to suspend my vm, this seems like the case [18:22] my vm does hibernate [18:22] bluesabre: ok - but sleep used to work [18:22] but... I thought hibernate was disabled in ubuntu [18:22] oh [18:22] * bluesabre is getting confused [18:23] hang on - confusion between display and system [18:23] yea - me too - is the system tab in xfpm new(ish) [18:23] several parts of it are, I think [18:24] ochosi: poke [18:24] so why is it available (system sleep) when running the live session? [18:24] xfce4-session bug probably [18:24] I guess that is the oddity - if it was disabled in both [18:25] bluesabre: what's up? [18:25] I'm running with an installation in the vm [18:25] ochosi: read the backlog [18:25] ok - so in actuality not a bug with xfpm at all [18:25] :) [18:25] yeah, I think xfpm is actually working correctly [18:26] k - that's good then [18:26] I can also test in vmware player, since it handles virtual hw differently [18:26] just a bit of confusion arising [18:26] gah, backlog [18:26] ochosi: seems like not a bug in xfpm [18:26] didn't help that I had two apparently the same black screen things going on in discussion [18:27] ochosi: it's not loads - just a few lines :p [18:27] bluesabre: frankly, i thought so from the beginning ;) [18:27] last 7 minutes [18:27] since it was always working [18:27] yeah [18:27] potentially a bug in xfce4-session though [18:27] cool - right I'm really off now then :) [18:27] cya later [18:27] seeya elfy [18:27] thanks! [18:35] Not long until the deadline for --v [18:35] xubutrello: due soon [18:35] -> 1. New default wallpaper (id: 92) due: 2014-09-08 09:00:00 UTC from list: To Do 14.10 [18:36] good thing knome is almost done with it [18:36] right knome? [18:36] maybe knome could grace us with a beta wallpaper [18:36] knome, thoughts? [18:37] :> [18:37] Hah, niiice. :D [18:37] Think that countdown thing died out a few cycles back. [18:38] if we get a fixed one, I'll put it up on my site, somewhere obnoxious [19:00] bluesabre: hehe, yeah i pinged him about it a few times already ;) [19:01] but since UIF is approaching, i guess we should keep it up [19:01] yeah [19:01] ochosi: would you test the updated gtk-theme-config if I threw it into the experimental ppa? [19:02] brb [19:05] yay, logged out and back in without breakage [19:06] and locales work with the updated package [19:06] yo puedo configurar mis paneles en espanol [19:07] !es | bluesabre [19:07] bluesabre, please see my private message [19:07] :) [19:59] managed to hack a translated desktop file into the new package :] [20:03] building here: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa [20:22] can we bring gdmflexiserver back, let some xfce package install it? [20:24] not the real deal, just a script with the same name which runs "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" or any other command [20:25] bluesabre: any idea what the best solution for bug 1320560 might be? [20:25] bug 1320560 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Removal of gdmflexiserver breaks user switching" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320560 [20:27] patch all affected packages (4) or provide our own gdmflexiserver script? [20:28] gdmflexiserver is gone, we should patch packages [20:28] hardcode dm-tool? [20:28] or point to another script? [20:29] gdmflexiserver is already hardcoded, so sure [20:29] but gdmflexiserver is just a shell script [20:29] the user can edit it [20:30] Which package provided it? [20:30] lightdm [20:30] seems like "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" is the new thing [20:30] or, preferred [20:30] does it work with gdm? [20:31] haven't tried it [20:32] in a xubuntu or ubuntu-xfce config, they're using lightdm [20:33] that's the common setup [20:33] I'd have to look at the code for each package, but there's probably a few different approaches we can try [20:33] dm-tool just seems like the most obvious [20:34] maybe a xflock4 style script? [20:34] does gdm provide gdmflexiserver? [20:35] no [20:36] so, only lightdm, and it only used to? [20:36] I think so [20:37] Unit193, bluesabre: two days! [20:37] doesn't make sense to bring it back then, the packages should be patched [20:37] come on guys, i never start preparing the final wallpaper that early [20:37] bluesabre: Is it meant to lock too? [20:37] knome: lol [20:38] bluesabre: we would bring it back to make things work again [20:38] bluesabre: not the original script, it would be a wrapper for dm-tool [20:38] why not update the packages to use something that exists? [20:38] patch 4+ packages or just 1 [20:38] :D [20:41] Unit193: dm-tool does lock as well [20:41] brainwash: I'd rather take the non-lazy route :) [20:42] what about upstream? [20:42] gdmflexiserver doesn't exist upstream either :) [20:43] but when will the devs notice? [20:43] :P [20:45] and why was it even removed.. [20:45] which packages are affected? [20:45] !find gdmflexiserver utopic [20:46] File gdmflexiserver found in gnome-colors-common, gnome-icon-theme-gartoon-redux, kdm-gdmcompat, libgdm1 [20:47] bug 1320560 [20:47] bug 1320560 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Removal of gdmflexiserver breaks user switching" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320560 [20:47] gdmflexiserver is to be removed in the next (1.9+) lightdm version. The [20:47] correct way to switch user is to use dm-tool, so I'm just closing this [20:47] bug now. [20:48] ^ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=683373 [20:48] Debian bug 683373 in lightdm "lightdm: User switching does not work (no gdmflexiserver provided)" [Important,Open] [20:51] since libgdm provides gdmflexiserver, we'd have to make whichever package conflict with gdm [20:51] lightdm-gtk-greeter would be the best bet [20:52] that still doesn't help upstream though [20:52] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-team/lightdm/trunk/view/1840/utils/gdmflexiserver [20:52] er, I guess it doesn't have to conflict with update-alternatives [20:53] looks like a simple wrapper for dm-tool [20:53] yeah [20:53] not sure what would be the best course of action [20:54] it seems to me that making patches for dm-tool would be best for us [20:54] but maybe not [20:55] this probably needs more discussion with more folks involved [20:55] who's gonna patch all the packages? not me =S [20:56] it's a small annoyance anyway, people can use the workaround and create their own gdmflexiserver script [20:56] and whiskermenu in xubuntu already calls dm-tool [20:57] I agree with Corsac here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=683373 [20:57] Debian bug 683373 in lightdm "lightdm: User switching does not work (no gdmflexiserver provided)" [Important,Open] [20:57] bluesabre: "Patching" is long term, creating the script is a bandaid. [20:57] btw we are talking about trusty also, right? [20:58] that's mainly the problem, patching many packages and sru them or whatever [21:00] we can probably add a script to xubuntu-default-settings [21:00] I'll look into update-alternatives [21:00] but since Corsac agrees, these patches can be made in Debian and we can float them in [21:01] but I'll work on a script now [21:01] xubu default settings is xubuntu only [21:01] I know [21:01] I can only upload for xubuntu [21:01] its a display manager script, its been dropped from lightdm [21:01] xfce4? [21:02] maybe xfce4-session then [21:02] lightdm-gtk-greeter ? [21:02] yeah, -session [21:02] xfce is modular, so it doesn't matter where we put it, people could still use xfce without it [21:03] but yeah, I'll work on that [21:03] or -settings? [21:03] I think this is why it hasn't been fixed yet [21:03] you can run xfce4-panel withouth -session I think [21:03] the best thing to do is patch the xfce packages that call it [21:04] ah, so back to solution no.1 :) [21:04] that's what I think we should do [21:04] and yeah, that effort probably falls on me, one of the perks as tech lead [21:05] :( [21:05] I'll get started on it [21:05] if you know any packages that use it, let me know [21:05] I'll patch them as I find them [21:05] well, I already linked the lp report [21:05] yup [21:05] (I meant any others, if there are) [21:05] :D [21:05] the xscreensaver package is a bit different [21:06] bug 1309917 [21:06] bug 1320560 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1309917 Removal of gdmflexiserver breaks user switching" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320560 [21:06] from the comments http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/xscreensaver.git/tree/debian/xscreensaver-wrapper.sh [21:08] I assume the xscreensaver maintainer will fix this if we tell him what to do [21:26] man, I'm lacking some serious upload rights [21:26] I'll send a request in this evening for things I'm missing [21:27] Noskcaj: xfce4-clipman-plugin MRE pending the above ^ [21:27] other packages, I'll try to get to tonight [21:27] bbl [21:27] :) [21:33] brainwash, Are you still making the debdiff for xfdesktop4? [21:33] don't worry about it [21:33] Noskcaj: no progress so far, so no :( [21:33] just going to backport [21:34] Why? We can MRE it, hardly anyone uses -backports [21:34] "backport" [21:34] I mean, backport into -updates [21:34] :) [21:36] * bluesabre is probably going to make bluesabre-dev-tools to make the ubuntu-dev-tools scripts a bit more flexible [21:36] ha [21:37] eric_the_idiot, Are you planning to have a new xfdesktop release soon? It would be nice to get those fixes to utopic [21:37] bluesabre: Mmmm, what you putting in there? [21:38] dunno yet... as I find things I want to improve, I'll toss them in [21:39] probably things that access other archives [21:39] mostly [21:39] hmm bluesabre [21:39] did you already do the changes to default settings? [21:40] knome: haven't pushed yet [21:40] todo for tonight [21:40] i wanted to double-check something.. [21:40] do we still ship the "xubuntu website" and "contribute to xubuntu" desktop files? [21:40] yes [21:40] wondering if we should take some action regarding them [21:40] maybe not [21:41] Yes, actions like removing. [21:41] for example... [21:41] what do you want to do to them? [21:41] there was some discussion to move that stuff under "about xfce" [21:42] but somebody told that dialog was going to vanish from xfce.. [21:42] hm [21:42] gotta run for real now, leave me some good ideas === J21_ is now known as J21 [21:43] one of the actions we did to make those obsolete was to update the documentation startpage [21:43] that's good now. [21:47] I've learned how nice it was to have the Settings Manager at the top of the menu. Is there a problem with whisker that prevents that? [21:49] still not leaving it seems [21:49] menu hierarchy [21:49] if its a submenu, it shows up in order, which kinda looks bad with whisker [21:49] since the order is "All" -> "Settings" -> everything else [21:51] UI freeze thursday, so it should be discussed now if needed :) [21:51] Just thinking it's a lot nicer the other way, even in addition to that other menu? [21:55] side-by-side http://imgur.com/Vv5idKs [21:55] seemed like the best way to make things searchable and ordering consistent for both [21:56] Just wondering what happens if you leave the "Settings Manager" at the top, but keep the submenu so you can search it. [21:57] that's a valid option as well [21:57] Doesn't give any display oddities for you in whisker? [21:58] I'm open to anything... the change would be transparent for whisker users [21:58] the sidebar only displays submenus [21:58] Awesome. [21:58] Is it just me and elfy that use classic? [21:58] I use whisker because the instant search and commands are handy [21:59] Didn't ask why, just if there's anyone else we should be asking for feedback from. [22:03] i'm using the classic menu as well, but in a highly modified form. [22:04] i would prefer just the settings manager item in the menu. [22:12] bbl