[02:25] <bluesabre> hey all
[02:25] <bluesabre> late night
[02:25] <bluesabre> I'll update descriptions, ppas, etc tomorrow morning
[02:26] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks for summing things up
[02:26] <Unit193> bluesabre: Just so you know, was slightly trolling too.
[02:27] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: I'll finish getting the xfce packages copied from your ppa
[02:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: got it ;)
[02:30] <Unit193> bluesabre: Not sure the descriptions are final.
[02:30] <bluesabre> ok, I'll review them and add my comments as well
[02:31] <bluesabre> maybe we'll keep the pad open until the mtg next week
[02:36] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, cool. i've got our games in it too, if we want them
[02:36] <Noskcaj> And could you take a look at the MREs?
[02:36] <bluesabre> Yes, going to take care of those this weekend as well
[02:37] <bluesabre> for any of the ones that have bugs, please subscribe me to them as well so I don't lose them
[02:37] <bluesabre> my spurts of computer time range from 5-minutes to 5-hours, and I never know what to expect :)
[02:39] <bluesabre> also, thanks for packaging them :)
[02:39] <bluesabre> bed time, back tomorrow
[02:44] <Unit193> G'nighty.
[10:26] <brainwash> Noskcaj: bzr: ERROR: unknown command "merge-upstream"
[10:40] <bluesabre> Quantal/Saucy packages dropped from our PPAs, descriptions updated for xfce-4.10 and xfce-4.12
[10:41] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: copied the remaining xfce-4.12 packages over
[10:41] <elfy> hi bluesabre 
[10:41] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[10:41] <bluesabre> dailies are still bad?
[10:41] <elfy> yep
[10:42] <bluesabre> fun
[10:42] <elfy> ours - ubuntu, lubuntu - didn't check anymore than that - bug 1366206
[10:42] <elfy> you can get in from vt1 with startx
[10:43] <bluesabre> oh good, so that will definitely be fixed then
[10:43] <bluesabre> by not us
[10:43] <elfy> that's was my thought too :D
[10:44] <elfy> I also did a bug for autopilot - which balloons has confirmed so that hopefully, this sort of thing will flag up as a fail 
[10:44] <elfy> if the ap test gets created of course
[10:45] <bluesabre> I see
[10:46] <elfy> other than that - the only odd thing I'm seeing currently is the xfpm system tab one 
[10:47] <bluesabre> yeah, that one is unusual
[10:47] <elfy> it is 
[10:48] <elfy> I confirmed it from a clean install - but I don't see the issue here, not checked the other install though - that one lags behind a bit after all the boot issues of late ;)
[10:49] <bluesabre> reasonably :)
[10:51] <brainwash> bluesabre: I'm still not quite sure how to properly do the packaging for xfdesktop4 4.11.7 (trusty)
[10:52] <bluesabre> we have it in utopic, right?
[10:52] <brainwash> yes
[10:52] <bluesabre> install ubuntu-dev-tools, "backportpackage" can do the rest
[10:52] <bluesabre> then you just tweak the debian changelog
[10:53] <brainwash> the changelog is the tricky part
[10:53] <bluesabre> oh?
[10:53] <brainwash> do I keep the original one?
[10:53] <bluesabre> we kind of merge it together
[10:54] <bluesabre> basically, latest trusty, and then whatever is newest date after that from utopic, and then the newest trusty on top
[10:54] <bluesabre> trusty-current, utopic-latest, new-trusty
[10:54] <bluesabre> backportpackage might handle that as well
[10:55] <bluesabre> I can take a look later
[10:55] <bluesabre> but if you want to practice, you have those tools
[10:55] <bluesabre> :)
[10:55] <elfy> hi brainwash 
[10:56] <brainwash> hey elfy 
[10:56]  * bluesabre works on packaging new gtk-theme-config
[10:58] <elfy> anyone know if slickymaster did a bug for the xfpm settings manager issue?
[10:58] <knome> i don't think he did, but it's quickly checked
[10:58] <elfy> haha 
[10:58] <elfy> found it :)
[10:58] <knome> good
[10:58] <elfy> oh no I didn't 
[10:59] <knome> stop lying to me :P
[10:59] <elfy> it was behind you ... 
[10:59] <knome> well that i can believe
[10:59] <elfy> seems not if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 is anything to go by
[11:00] <brainwash> bluesabre: also, do we need to re-open the corresponding xfdesktop4 lp reports? nominate for trusty I guess
[11:00]  * elfy changes previous bug title so he doesn't get confused again
[11:01] <bluesabre> not sure, nominate for trusty for sure
[11:01] <elfy> back to the other install for a short while
[11:33] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre bug 1366308
[11:33] <elfy> there is now knome :p
[11:33] <knome> good ;)
[11:34] <elfy> odd one - try and run it as root and it crashes 
[11:34] <knome> heh
[11:35] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, slickymaster mentioned that yesterday
[11:36] <elfy> ochosi: yea - there was seemingly no report at LP or bugzilla - so I did both
[11:36] <ochosi> ty
[11:36] <ochosi> not sure what's up with that tbh
[11:37] <ochosi> possibly a packaging issue
[11:37] <elfy> me neither obviously :p
[11:37] <brainwash> open a terminal window and run "xfce4-power-manager --debug" :P
[11:37] <elfy> who added it to the blueprint lol
[11:38] <brainwash> it's a bug.. isn't it?
[11:38] <elfy> yea - I just went to add it :)
[11:38] <brainwash> and we want to make sure that it will be fixed
[11:38] <brainwash> :D
[11:39] <brainwash> gotta be faster next time
[11:40] <elfy> heh 
[11:41] <elfy> well I think I've caught up with current issues 
[11:41] <elfy> unless there are some hiding 
[11:43] <knome> bbl ->
[12:16] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre - sigh ... xfpm is set to Never Never Never xset - q timeout -> timeout:  600    cycle:  0 and xset -q DPMS  -> standby: 600    Suspend: 0    Off: 900
[12:16] <bluesabre> I wonder if those are X defaults, and if xfpm doesn't set anything if values are 0 or null
[12:16] <elfy> not touched anything like lls or xfpm since the last time :)
[12:16] <bluesabre> ochosi ^
[12:16] <bluesabre> gotta run now, bbabl
[12:17] <elfy> yep - cya 
[12:17] <elfy> I'm not really here either - mirage
[14:39] <elfy> slickymaster: so looking at http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds - not got bistream vera installed here
[15:04] <elfy> Unit193: the black screen - appears to only be a vm issue here - usb booted to desktop fine
[15:07] <Unit193> Lightdm one?  Yeah that took a dump on me not so long ago.
[15:08] <elfy> fun for all 
[15:55] <elfy> didn't notice myself - but why does minimal have xscreensaver instead of lightlocker - if I did know, I've obviously forgotten :)
[15:58] <jjfrv8> elfy, don't know about that ^, but should the browser and mail client be missing in minimal? They still show in Whisker.
[16:00] <Unit193> elfy: xfce4-session has rec: xscreensaver | light-locker
[16:00] <elfy> Unit193: and that means ... 
[16:00] <elfy> it gets xscreen does it 
[16:00] <Unit193> Basically, yep.
[16:01] <elfy> jjfrv8: from the spec - neither installed - so that's be a bug with whiskermenu I'd say
[16:01] <Unit193> jjfrv8: exo-utils ships exo-mail*.desktop and same for browser, so it'll work with whatever default mail and browsers you install.
[16:01] <elfy> or ignore me :p
[16:02] <Unit193> dpkg -L exo-utils | grep desktop
[16:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: would you mind reviewing http://www.smdavis.us/tmp/gtk-theme-config_1.2-0ubuntu1.dsc to make sure I didn't do anything stupid?  It *should* be ok
[16:02] <elfy> so my plan for QA in Vapid Vampire is to test core 
[16:03] <elfy> and ignore desktop :p
[16:04] <bluesabre> elfy: +1
[16:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: +VALAFLAGS:= you just assigned something to VALAFLAGS, do you not want to append?
[16:07] <bluesabre> ah
[16:07] <bluesabre> which is append?
[16:07] <Unit193> Can't remember the difference, and what specifically := does.  Generally, +=
[16:07] <bluesabre> got it, thanks
[16:07] <bluesabre> see, I did something stupid x.x
[16:08] <elfy> I'll fix it for you - make you look awesome :p
[16:08] <Unit193> And to think of it, is the line above needed?
[16:08] <bluesabre> yeah, for some reason it dies hard without it
[16:08] <bluesabre> been experimenting for a while this morning
[16:09] <bluesabre> originally put there by micah
[16:11] <Unit193> OK, it doesn't look like you need to directly patch that, but no harm in doing so.  Otherwise looks fine.  Going to push to Debian too?
[16:11] <bluesabre> thats the plan... though not sure what the path of least resistance is to debian
[16:13] <Unit193> Two more: Did the homepage officially change?  And: Newest version on remote site is 1.0, local version is 1.2 gtk-theme-config: remote site does not even have current version
[16:14] <bluesabre> not sure that it officially changed, but satya has only been pushing to lp
[16:14] <bluesabre> I should probably change that
[16:15] <bluesabre> also, can't update the Vcs since I'm not a member of gtk-theme-config
[16:15] <bluesabre> (yet)
[16:15] <bluesabre> so yeah, I'll hack on this a bit more and try to clean up
[16:15] <bluesabre> heading out for lunch now
[16:15] <bluesabre> thanks for your help Unit193
[16:16] <Unit193> Sure, anytime.
[16:52] <bluesabre> Unit193: btw (haven't left for lunch yet) you were right that the line above, can be dropped
[16:52] <bluesabre> :)
[16:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: any clue about users not being allowed to modify the xfpm system settings?
[16:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: if its commented out, its in your code ;)
[16:53] <bluesabre> er, disabled
[16:53] <bluesabre> not commented out
[16:53] <bluesabre> I haven't looked at the code yet
[16:54] <ochosi> commented out?
[16:54] <ochosi> ah right
[16:54] <ochosi> well from what i heard it's a problem with policies
[16:54] <ochosi> worked for me always though
[16:55] <ochosi> so that's why i was wondering...
[16:55] <bluesabre> works for me too
[16:55] <bluesabre> maybe different upower or something
[16:55] <bluesabre> not sure
[16:55] <bluesabre> search for gtk_widget_set_sensitive
[17:01] <brainwash> bluesabre: vm only bug ?
[17:03] <bluesabre> might be difference of vm with guest-utils installed
[17:09] <brainwash> the important info is always missing, like output of upower -d
[17:10] <brainwash> elfy: ^
[17:11] <brainwash> and xfce4-power-manager --debug
[17:11] <brainwash> and maybe some loginctl magic
[17:11] <Unit193> Normally dpms stuff too.
[17:12] <brainwash> and inxi :>
[17:15] <elfy> brainwash: yea?
[17:19] <elfy> Xubuntu 14.10 Beta 1 Experiences With Kaveri :Thanks to all the developers & everyone involved . I will be making a donation.
[17:19] <elfy> passing it along :)
[17:21] <brainwash> elfy: your system tab report lacks debugging info
[17:21] <elfy> then you need to ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug ;)
[17:21] <brainwash> maybe even a screenshot
[17:22] <elfy> I just do what we are supposed to 
[17:22] <brainwash> yea :)
[17:22] <brainwash> but someone has to fix this bug
[17:22] <elfy> I do have a screeny somewhere
[17:23] <brainwash> also, please attach the output of "upower -d" and "xfce4-power-manager --debug"
[17:23] <elfy> not doing all that now - I don't keep vm's running
[17:24] <brainwash> so it is a vm only bug?
[17:24] <elfy> add it to the bug and when I get the time tomorrow I'll do it 
[17:24] <elfy> possibly
[17:24] <brainwash> alright then
[17:24] <elfy> who knows :)
[17:25] <elfy> tbh until I've got an image that I can boot in vm without mucking about I'm not all that convinced of anything
[17:25] <elfy> vm's are getting the CanGraphical=no issue - I booted the same image on hardware and it worked
[17:36] <ochosi> elfy: so the bug is kinda racy?
[17:36] <ochosi> in temrs of not always being reproducible
[17:36] <elfy> I'm just thinking of where I can reproduce it actually
[17:37] <elfy> hold fire on thinking about it much for the moment :)
[17:38] <elfy> cuurently - NOT in image booted to vm/NOT in my install(s) but IS in a vm install
[17:38] <elfy> not sure where slickymaster sees it
[17:39] <ochosi> odd
[17:39] <elfy> I don't see IT nor the cangraphical=no bug if I boot the image on hardware - just going to sort a clean install so will know more then
[17:39] <elfy> very odd - which is why I said "tbh until I've got an image that I can boot in vm without  ..." 
[17:40] <elfy> I don't  know what that loginctl issue causes elsewhere 
[17:41] <elfy> biab 
[18:03] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre - ok so the ONLY place I see this bug is in a vm install - works fine on hardware
[18:04] <elfy> funnily enough the only place I see the show-seat issue is in vm as well
[18:04] <elfy> I'd mark the bug as Really Odd if the option existed :)
[18:07] <elfy> bbl
[18:09] <ochosi> thanks for checking elfy  :)
[18:09] <ochosi> guess you saved us a lot of time
[18:10] <elfy> welcome :)
[18:10] <elfy> yea I'd say so - I'll be interested to see if once the lightdm issue is fixed in vm this one disappears
[18:10] <elfy> even if it does make it weirder :D
[18:11] <bluesabre> elfy: do you have guest extensions installed?
[18:12] <elfy> bluesabre: yep
[18:12] <bluesabre> k
[18:12] <elfy> bluesabre: I can try quickly with it uninstalled if you want
[18:15] <elfy> I did - no difference to the install
[18:15] <elfy> one more test to do then I really will be gone for a bit :p
[18:16] <bluesabre> ok
[18:17] <bluesabre> I'll try a few things
[18:17] <elfy> test 1a - still Cangraphical=no
[18:19] <bluesabre> elfy, can you past the link to your screenshot?
[18:20] <elfy> http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-050914-174552.php
[18:20] <bluesabre> ok
[18:20] <bluesabre> figured it out
[18:20] <bluesabre> if you hover over that, it says ~ "suspend and hibernate not supported"
[18:21] <bluesabre> trying to suspend my vm, this seems like the case
[18:22] <bluesabre> my vm does hibernate
[18:22] <elfy> bluesabre: ok - but sleep used to work
[18:22] <bluesabre> but... I thought hibernate was disabled in ubuntu
[18:22] <elfy> oh 
[18:22]  * bluesabre is getting confused
[18:23] <elfy> hang on - confusion between display and system
[18:23] <elfy> yea - me too - is the system tab in xfpm new(ish) 
[18:23] <bluesabre> several parts of it are, I think
[18:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: poke
[18:24] <elfy> so why is it available (system sleep) when running the live session? 
[18:24] <bluesabre> xfce4-session bug probably
[18:24] <elfy> I guess that is the oddity - if it was disabled in both 
[18:25] <ochosi> bluesabre: what's up?
[18:25] <bluesabre> I'm running with an installation in the vm
[18:25] <bluesabre> ochosi: read the backlog
[18:25] <elfy> ok - so in actuality not a bug with xfpm at all 
[18:25] <bluesabre> :)
[18:25] <bluesabre> yeah, I think xfpm is actually working correctly
[18:26] <elfy> k - that's good then
[18:26] <bluesabre> I can also test in vmware player, since it handles virtual hw differently
[18:26] <elfy> just a bit of confusion arising 
[18:26] <ochosi> gah, backlog
[18:26] <bluesabre> ochosi: seems like not a bug in xfpm
[18:26] <elfy> didn't help that I had two apparently the same black screen things going on in discussion
[18:27] <elfy> ochosi: it's not loads - just a few lines :p
[18:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: frankly, i thought so from the beginning ;)
[18:27] <bluesabre> last 7 minutes
[18:27] <ochosi> since it was always working
[18:27] <bluesabre> yeah
[18:27] <bluesabre> potentially a bug in xfce4-session though
[18:27] <elfy> cool - right I'm really off now then :)
[18:27] <elfy> cya later 
[18:27] <bluesabre> seeya elfy
[18:27] <bluesabre> thanks!
[18:35] <Unit193> Not long until the deadline for --v
[18:35] <Unit193> xubutrello: due soon
[18:35] <xubutrello>   ->  1. New default wallpaper (id: 92) due: 2014-09-08 09:00:00 UTC from list: To Do 14.10
[18:36] <bluesabre> good thing knome is almost done with it
[18:36] <bluesabre> right knome?
[18:36] <bluesabre> maybe knome could grace us with a beta wallpaper
[18:36] <bluesabre> knome, thoughts?
[18:37] <bluesabre> :>
[18:37] <Unit193> Hah, niiice. :D
[18:37] <Unit193> Think that countdown thing died out a few cycles back.
[18:38] <bluesabre> if we get a fixed one, I'll put it up on my site, somewhere obnoxious
[19:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: hehe, yeah i pinged him about it a few times already ;)
[19:01] <ochosi> but since UIF is approaching, i guess we should keep it up
[19:01] <bluesabre> yeah
[19:01] <bluesabre> ochosi: would you test the updated gtk-theme-config if I threw it into the experimental ppa?
[19:02] <bluesabre> brb
[19:05] <bluesabre> yay, logged out and back in without breakage
[19:06] <bluesabre> and locales work with the updated package
[19:06] <bluesabre> yo puedo configurar mis paneles en espanol
[19:07] <bluesabre> !es | bluesabre
[19:07] <bluesabre> :)
[19:59] <bluesabre> managed to hack a translated desktop file into the new package :]
[20:03] <bluesabre> building here: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:22] <brainwash> can we bring gdmflexiserver back, let some xfce package install it?
[20:24] <brainwash> not the real deal, just a script with the same name which runs "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" or any other command
[20:25] <brainwash> bluesabre: any idea what the best solution for bug 1320560 might be?
[20:27] <brainwash> patch all affected packages (4) or provide our own gdmflexiserver script?
[20:28] <bluesabre> gdmflexiserver is gone, we should patch packages
[20:28] <brainwash> hardcode dm-tool?
[20:28] <brainwash> or point to another script?
[20:29] <bluesabre> gdmflexiserver is already hardcoded, so sure
[20:29] <brainwash> but gdmflexiserver is just a shell script
[20:29] <brainwash> the user can edit it
[20:30] <bluesabre> Which package provided it?
[20:30] <brainwash> lightdm
[20:30] <bluesabre> seems like "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" is the new thing
[20:30] <bluesabre> or, preferred
[20:30] <brainwash> does it work with gdm?
[20:31] <bluesabre> haven't tried it
[20:32] <bluesabre> in a xubuntu or ubuntu-xfce config, they're using lightdm
[20:33] <brainwash> that's the common setup
[20:33] <bluesabre> I'd have to look at the code for each package, but there's probably a few different approaches we can try
[20:33] <bluesabre> dm-tool just seems like the most obvious
[20:34] <brainwash> maybe a xflock4 style script?
[20:34] <bluesabre> does gdm provide gdmflexiserver?
[20:35] <brainwash> no
[20:36] <bluesabre> so, only lightdm, and it only used to?
[20:36] <brainwash> I think so
[20:37] <knome> Unit193, bluesabre: two days!
[20:37] <bluesabre> doesn't make sense to bring it back then, the packages should be patched
[20:37] <knome> come on guys, i never start preparing the final wallpaper that early
[20:37] <Unit193> bluesabre: Is it meant to lock too?
[20:37] <bluesabre> knome: lol
[20:38] <brainwash> bluesabre: we would bring it back to make things work again
[20:38] <brainwash> bluesabre: not the original script, it would be a wrapper for dm-tool
[20:38] <bluesabre> why not update the packages to use something that exists?
[20:38] <brainwash> patch 4+ packages or just 1
[20:38] <brainwash> :D
[20:41] <bluesabre> Unit193: dm-tool does lock as well
[20:41] <bluesabre> brainwash: I'd rather take the non-lazy route :)
[20:42] <brainwash> what about upstream?
[20:42] <bluesabre> gdmflexiserver doesn't exist upstream either :)
[20:43] <brainwash> but when will the devs notice?
[20:43] <brainwash> :P
[20:45] <brainwash> and why was it even removed..
[20:45] <bluesabre> which packages are affected?
[20:45] <Unit193> !find gdmflexiserver utopic
[20:47] <brainwash> bug 1320560
[20:47] <brainwash> gdmflexiserver is to be removed in the next (1.9+) lightdm version. The
[20:47] <brainwash> correct way to switch user is to use dm-tool, so I'm just closing this
[20:47] <brainwash> bug now.
[20:48] <brainwash> ^ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=683373
[20:51] <bluesabre> since libgdm provides gdmflexiserver, we'd have to make whichever package conflict with gdm
[20:51] <bluesabre> lightdm-gtk-greeter would be the best bet
[20:52] <bluesabre> that still doesn't help upstream though
[20:52] <brainwash> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-team/lightdm/trunk/view/1840/utils/gdmflexiserver
[20:52] <bluesabre> er, I guess it doesn't have to conflict with update-alternatives
[20:53] <brainwash> looks like a simple wrapper for dm-tool
[20:53] <bluesabre> yeah
[20:53] <bluesabre> not sure what would be the best course of action
[20:54] <bluesabre> it seems to me that making patches for dm-tool would be best for us
[20:54] <bluesabre> but maybe not
[20:55] <bluesabre> this probably needs more discussion with more folks involved
[20:55] <brainwash> who's gonna patch all the packages? not me =S
[20:56] <brainwash> it's a small annoyance anyway, people can use the workaround and create their own gdmflexiserver script
[20:56] <brainwash> and whiskermenu in xubuntu already calls dm-tool
[20:57] <bluesabre> I agree with Corsac here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=683373
[20:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: "Patching" is long term, creating the script is a bandaid.
[20:57] <brainwash> btw we are talking about trusty also, right?
[20:58] <brainwash> that's mainly the problem, patching many packages and sru them or whatever
[21:00] <bluesabre> we can probably add a script to xubuntu-default-settings
[21:00] <bluesabre> I'll look into update-alternatives
[21:00] <bluesabre> but since Corsac agrees, these patches can be made in Debian and we can float them in
[21:01] <bluesabre> but I'll work on a script now
[21:01] <brainwash> xubu default settings is xubuntu only
[21:01] <bluesabre> I know
[21:01] <bluesabre> I can only upload for xubuntu
[21:01] <bluesabre> its a display manager script, its been dropped from lightdm
[21:01] <brainwash> xfce4?
[21:02] <bluesabre> maybe xfce4-session then
[21:02] <Unit193> lightdm-gtk-greeter ?
[21:02] <brainwash> yeah, -session
[21:02] <bluesabre> xfce is modular, so it doesn't matter where we put it, people could still use xfce without it
[21:03] <bluesabre> but yeah, I'll work on that
[21:03] <brainwash> or -settings?
[21:03] <bluesabre> I think this is why it hasn't been fixed yet
[21:03] <brainwash> you can run xfce4-panel withouth -session I think
[21:03] <bluesabre> the best thing to do is patch the xfce packages that call it
[21:04] <brainwash> ah, so back to solution no.1 :)
[21:04] <bluesabre> that's what I think we should do
[21:04] <bluesabre> and yeah, that effort probably falls on me, one of the perks as tech lead
[21:05] <brainwash> :(
[21:05] <bluesabre> I'll get started on it
[21:05] <bluesabre> if you know any packages that use it, let me know
[21:05] <bluesabre> I'll patch them as I find them
[21:05] <brainwash> well, I already linked the lp report
[21:05] <bluesabre> yup
[21:05] <bluesabre> (I meant any others, if there are)
[21:05] <bluesabre> :D
[21:05] <brainwash> the xscreensaver package is a bit different
[21:06] <brainwash> bug 1309917
[21:06] <brainwash> from the comments http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/xscreensaver.git/tree/debian/xscreensaver-wrapper.sh
[21:08] <brainwash> I assume the xscreensaver maintainer will fix this if we tell him what to do
[21:26] <bluesabre> man, I'm lacking some serious upload rights
[21:26] <bluesabre> I'll send a request in this evening for things I'm missing
[21:27] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: xfce4-clipman-plugin MRE pending the above ^
[21:27] <bluesabre> other packages, I'll try to get to tonight
[21:27] <bluesabre> bbl
[21:27] <Noskcaj> :)
[21:33] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Are you still making the debdiff for xfdesktop4?
[21:33] <bluesabre> don't worry about it
[21:33] <brainwash> Noskcaj: no progress so far, so no :(
[21:33] <bluesabre> just going to backport
[21:34] <Noskcaj> Why? We can MRE it, hardly anyone uses -backports
[21:34] <brainwash> "backport"
[21:34] <bluesabre> I mean, backport into -updates
[21:34] <bluesabre> :)
[21:36]  * bluesabre is probably going to make bluesabre-dev-tools to make the ubuntu-dev-tools scripts a bit more flexible
[21:36] <Noskcaj> ha
[21:37] <Noskcaj> eric_the_idiot, Are you planning to have a new xfdesktop release soon? It would be nice to get those fixes to utopic
[21:37] <Unit193> bluesabre: Mmmm, what you putting in there?
[21:38] <bluesabre> dunno yet... as I find things I want to improve, I'll toss them in
[21:39] <bluesabre> probably things that access other archives
[21:39] <bluesabre> mostly
[21:39] <knome> hmm bluesabre 
[21:39] <knome> did you already do the changes to default settings?
[21:40] <bluesabre> knome: haven't pushed yet
[21:40] <bluesabre> todo for tonight
[21:40] <knome> i wanted to double-check something..
[21:40] <knome> do we still ship the "xubuntu website" and "contribute to xubuntu" desktop files?
[21:40] <bluesabre> yes
[21:40] <knome> wondering if we should take some action regarding them
[21:40] <knome> maybe not
[21:41] <Unit193> Yes, actions like removing.
[21:41] <knome> for example...
[21:41] <bluesabre> what do you want to do to them?
[21:41] <knome> there was some discussion to move that stuff under "about xfce"
[21:42] <knome> but somebody told that dialog was going to vanish from xfce..
[21:42] <bluesabre> hm
[21:42] <bluesabre> gotta run for real now, leave me some good ideas
[21:43] <knome> one of the actions we did to make those obsolete was to update the documentation startpage
[21:43] <knome> that's good now.
[21:47] <Unit193> I've learned how nice it was to have the Settings Manager at the top of the menu.  Is there a problem with whisker that prevents that?
[21:49] <bluesabre> still not leaving it seems
[21:49] <bluesabre> menu hierarchy
[21:49] <bluesabre> if its a submenu, it shows up in order, which kinda looks bad with whisker
[21:49] <bluesabre> since the order is "All" -> "Settings" -> everything else
[21:51] <bluesabre> UI freeze thursday, so it should be discussed now if needed :)
[21:51] <Unit193> Just thinking it's a lot nicer the other way, even in addition to that other menu?
[21:55] <bluesabre> side-by-side http://imgur.com/Vv5idKs
[21:55] <bluesabre> seemed like the best way to make things searchable and ordering consistent for both
[21:56] <Unit193> Just wondering what happens if you leave the "Settings Manager" at the top, but keep the submenu so you can search it.
[21:57] <bluesabre> that's a valid option as well
[21:57] <Unit193> Doesn't give any display oddities for you in whisker?
[21:58] <bluesabre> I'm open to anything... the change would be transparent for whisker users
[21:58] <bluesabre> the sidebar only displays submenus
[21:58] <Unit193> Awesome.
[21:58] <Unit193> Is it just me and elfy that use classic?
[21:58] <bluesabre> I use whisker because the instant search and commands are handy
[21:59] <Unit193> Didn't ask why, just if there's anyone else we should be asking for feedback from.
[22:03] <knome> i'm using the classic menu as well, but in a highly modified form.
[22:04] <knome> i would prefer just the settings manager item in the menu.
[22:12] <bluesabre> bbl