[10:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:39] <Akiva-Thinkpad> slow sunday
[12:44] <BluesKaj> yup, very quiet
[12:44] <BluesKaj> suddenrly realized how n
[12:45] <BluesKaj> bloated and slow firefox has be\come,
[12:45] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What are you using instead?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> think 'buntu support is minimal now
[12:46] <BluesKaj> going with chromium , penguin42
[12:46] <penguin42> hmm, haven't tried it for a few years
[12:46] <BluesKaj> tried which one?
[12:47] <penguin42> chromium, haven't tried it for a few years
[12:48] <BluesKaj> well it suffers from google -hate in a lot of cases, but I have no problem with it...fast and efficient and easy to setup
[12:50] <BluesKaj> the only thing lacking is the toolbar with edit and other options that FF has above the addressbar , but I can live without it
[12:52] <penguin42> I did submit a chromium bug a few years back asking for a short cut for them
[12:54] <BluesKaj> also the tab fonts are hard coded and so small they're almost unreadable on a large monitor like a TV
[12:56] <penguin42> oh, I know why I stopped using it; I could hard lockit up with pasting with synergy
[12:57] <BluesKaj> pasting with synergy?
[12:58]  * BluesKaj launches muon for synergy info
[12:58] <penguin42> yeh, synergy the thing that lets you share a mouse/keyboard across too machines
[13:00] <BluesKaj> right, seems like a cool app
[13:04] <BluesKaj> dunno if i'd use it much tho
[13:09] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I use it because all these irc windows are on an old laptop display and I do most of everything else on my main machine
[13:10] <lordievader> penguin42: I have a similar setup. And old laptop as irc screen ;)
[13:25] <penguin42> lordievader: Yeh it works OK, synergy just tends to confuse the heck out of some things
[13:26] <lordievader> penguin42: Never really had any problems with synergy.
[13:27] <penguin42> lordievader: The machine that is the synergy client never screen blanks for me; I have some keyboard mapping issues and cut/paste is sometimes flaky
[13:33] <BluesKaj> i use a laptop here and a wireless KB and mouse for the media server which is 3M away and connected to the TV, so it's easy to task on each machine from one location
[13:36] <penguin42> well I could type on the laptop keyboard and use it's touchpad, but that would mean leaning forward and that's waaaaaayyyy too much effort
[13:37] <lordievader> Thats why we have synergy, so we don't need to switch to a different keyboard ;)
[13:38] <penguin42> interesting; I'm seeing some background rendering artifacts with chromium (On KDE framework 5)
[13:39] <penguin42> it's the desktop background that flickers black as I move my mouse into and out of the screen - the contents of chromium are fine
[13:41] <BluesKaj> still on plsama4 here, no artifacts
[13:44] <penguin42> ok, cured if I turn off compositing
[13:48] <elfy> afternoon peeps
[13:50] <lordievader> Hey elfy, how are you?
[13:51] <elfy> ok thanks lordievader - having a lazy day - that's what Sunday is for :p
[13:51] <lordievader> elfy: True that ;)
[14:30] <BluesKaj> had to drop my vpn connection for a few mins, for some reason thunderbird wouldn't send email to gmail accts while connected thru the vpn... it worked before but suddenly not.
[14:37] <streulma> hello is there better HiDPI support in Unity for 14.10
[15:05] <BluesKaj> streulma, using a large monitor
[15:05] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:14] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's not necessarily the large monitors,it's the small ones with lots of pixels
[15:19] <BluesKaj> well increased dpi settings certainly help the font res on large monitors
[15:19] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The problem is a lot of apps/libraries that do stuff in fixed number of pixels look hopelessly small on them
[15:22] <BluesKaj> the only problem I've come across is the tab fonts on chromium, otherwise fonts are easily adjusted on kubuntu ...windows is a lot cruder but it's workable
[15:24] <streulma> BluesKaj Macbook Pro Retina 13 inch
[15:25] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What display have you tried it on?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> our TV , a Panasonic 42" Plasma connected to the media server pc via DPI/HDMI from a nvidia 8400gs
[15:27] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Right, that's not where you get the problem
[15:30] <BluesKaj> yeah, my 15.6" laptop screen is harder to adjust ,but running 105 dpi seems be a good compromise
[15:31] <BluesKaj> to be
[15:31] <penguin42> BluesKaj: But the problem comes when you have ~250dpi screens   a lot of stuff just looks wrong
[15:32] <BluesKaj> wouldn'r down scale the dpi setting...that seems a bit much when the default is usually 96 dpi in the display driver
[15:33] <BluesKaj> er would rather
[15:33] <penguin42> BluesKaj: But the actual physical hardware is ~250dpi - and a lot of stuff doesn't look right
[15:33] <penguin42> BluesKaj: That's the issue; it's not a simple settings issue
[15:35] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yeah, makes me wonder.."what the hell are they thinking" putting out a product with that kind of screen..kind of silly
[15:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: No! They're absolutely lovely
[15:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It just takes a bit of design to get stuff right
[15:36] <BluesKaj> sounds like pita to me
[15:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj: No, it's really really nice
[15:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The displays are absolutely gorgeous
[15:38] <BluesKaj> not if you can't read the fonts
[15:38] <penguin42> BluesKaj: You can when the desktop environment properly does the fontsize properly
[15:38] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It just means fixing a lot of old font cruft that assumed fixed DPI in a lot of places
[15:39] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It does take some effort to get stuff right, and I think streulma was asking whether Ubuntu has done that yet (I don't know - I don't have such a device myself)
[15:39]  * BluesKaj needs larger displays for his old eyes
[15:40] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh there are some 28" devices starting to come out at that type of DPI now
[15:41] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Properly rendered fonts look very crisp and smooth curves etc on them, photos look lovely
[15:42]  * penguin42 hasn't had a chance to play with the big displays, only played with tablets and laptops in shops
[15:48] <BluesKaj> photos look great on the TV , it's not an immense screen so resolution is really clear
[15:49] <BluesKaj> and being a plasma display the contyrast is superior to lcd/led displays
[15:53] <BluesKaj> it's nice for standard TV resolution as well, the smaller 42" screen makes 480i much more watchable than a large 65"
[15:54] <BluesKaj> some channels here compress the hell out of 1080i HD sources and aren't much clearer than the
[15:55] <BluesKaj> 480i counterpart
[15:55]  * penguin42 still watches TV on a 32" CRT so hey
[15:56] <penguin42> (Mostly because I can't even think about the effort needed to get it down the stairs to replace it...)
[15:59] <BluesKaj> our 20 yr old 28" mitsubishi gave up the ghost literally,  and we got a good deal on this Panasonic, we had no other tvs so no other choices
[16:37] <BluesKaj> bbl