=== jje_ is now known as jje [10:59] 'Morning folks [12:39] slow sunday [12:44] yup, very quiet [12:44] suddenrly realized how n [12:45] bloated and slow firefox has be\come, [12:45] BluesKaj: What are you using instead? [12:46] think 'buntu support is minimal now [12:46] going with chromium , penguin42 [12:46] hmm, haven't tried it for a few years [12:46] tried which one? [12:47] chromium, haven't tried it for a few years [12:48] well it suffers from google -hate in a lot of cases, but I have no problem with it...fast and efficient and easy to setup [12:50] the only thing lacking is the toolbar with edit and other options that FF has above the addressbar , but I can live without it [12:52] I did submit a chromium bug a few years back asking for a short cut for them [12:54] also the tab fonts are hard coded and so small they're almost unreadable on a large monitor like a TV [12:56] oh, I know why I stopped using it; I could hard lockit up with pasting with synergy === mibofra_ is now known as mibofra [12:57] pasting with synergy? [12:58] * BluesKaj launches muon for synergy info [12:58] yeh, synergy the thing that lets you share a mouse/keyboard across too machines [13:00] right, seems like a cool app [13:04] dunno if i'd use it much tho [13:09] BluesKaj: I use it because all these irc windows are on an old laptop display and I do most of everything else on my main machine [13:10] penguin42: I have a similar setup. And old laptop as irc screen ;) [13:25] lordievader: Yeh it works OK, synergy just tends to confuse the heck out of some things [13:26] penguin42: Never really had any problems with synergy. [13:27] lordievader: The machine that is the synergy client never screen blanks for me; I have some keyboard mapping issues and cut/paste is sometimes flaky [13:33] i use a laptop here and a wireless KB and mouse for the media server which is 3M away and connected to the TV, so it's easy to task on each machine from one location [13:36] well I could type on the laptop keyboard and use it's touchpad, but that would mean leaning forward and that's waaaaaayyyy too much effort [13:37] Thats why we have synergy, so we don't need to switch to a different keyboard ;) [13:38] interesting; I'm seeing some background rendering artifacts with chromium (On KDE framework 5) [13:39] it's the desktop background that flickers black as I move my mouse into and out of the screen - the contents of chromium are fine [13:41] still on plsama4 here, no artifacts [13:44] ok, cured if I turn off compositing [13:48] afternoon peeps [13:50] Hey elfy, how are you? [13:51] ok thanks lordievader - having a lazy day - that's what Sunday is for :p [13:51] elfy: True that ;) [14:30] had to drop my vpn connection for a few mins, for some reason thunderbird wouldn't send email to gmail accts while connected thru the vpn... it worked before but suddenly not. [14:37] hello is there better HiDPI support in Unity for 14.10 [15:05] streulma, using a large monitor [15:05] ? [15:14] BluesKaj: It's not necessarily the large monitors,it's the small ones with lots of pixels [15:19] well increased dpi settings certainly help the font res on large monitors [15:19] BluesKaj: The problem is a lot of apps/libraries that do stuff in fixed number of pixels look hopelessly small on them [15:22] the only problem I've come across is the tab fonts on chromium, otherwise fonts are easily adjusted on kubuntu ...windows is a lot cruder but it's workable [15:24] BluesKaj Macbook Pro Retina 13 inch [15:25] BluesKaj: What display have you tried it on? [15:27] our TV , a Panasonic 42" Plasma connected to the media server pc via DPI/HDMI from a nvidia 8400gs [15:27] BluesKaj: Right, that's not where you get the problem [15:30] yeah, my 15.6" laptop screen is harder to adjust ,but running 105 dpi seems be a good compromise [15:31] to be [15:31] BluesKaj: But the problem comes when you have ~250dpi screens a lot of stuff just looks wrong [15:32] wouldn'r down scale the dpi setting...that seems a bit much when the default is usually 96 dpi in the display driver [15:33] er would rather [15:33] BluesKaj: But the actual physical hardware is ~250dpi - and a lot of stuff doesn't look right [15:33] BluesKaj: That's the issue; it's not a simple settings issue [15:35] penguin42, yeah, makes me wonder.."what the hell are they thinking" putting out a product with that kind of screen..kind of silly [15:35] BluesKaj: No! They're absolutely lovely [15:35] BluesKaj: It just takes a bit of design to get stuff right [15:36] sounds like pita to me [15:36] BluesKaj: No, it's really really nice [15:36] BluesKaj: The displays are absolutely gorgeous [15:38] not if you can't read the fonts [15:38] BluesKaj: You can when the desktop environment properly does the fontsize properly [15:38] BluesKaj: It just means fixing a lot of old font cruft that assumed fixed DPI in a lot of places [15:39] BluesKaj: It does take some effort to get stuff right, and I think streulma was asking whether Ubuntu has done that yet (I don't know - I don't have such a device myself) [15:39] * BluesKaj needs larger displays for his old eyes [15:40] BluesKaj: Yeh there are some 28" devices starting to come out at that type of DPI now [15:41] BluesKaj: Properly rendered fonts look very crisp and smooth curves etc on them, photos look lovely [15:42] * penguin42 hasn't had a chance to play with the big displays, only played with tablets and laptops in shops [15:48] photos look great on the TV , it's not an immense screen so resolution is really clear [15:49] and being a plasma display the contyrast is superior to lcd/led displays [15:53] it's nice for standard TV resolution as well, the smaller 42" screen makes 480i much more watchable than a large 65" [15:54] some channels here compress the hell out of 1080i HD sources and aren't much clearer than the [15:55] 480i counterpart [15:55] * penguin42 still watches TV on a 32" CRT so hey [15:56] (Mostly because I can't even think about the effort needed to get it down the stairs to replace it...) [15:59] our 20 yr old 28" mitsubishi gave up the ghost literally, and we got a good deal on this Panasonic, we had no other tvs so no other choices === TideSuck is now known as STiK [16:37] bbl === daek_ is now known as Daekdroom === emma_ is now known as emma