[02:06] <e87hd> is there a way to get old versions of software from the software centre?
[02:07] <holstein> e87hd: updating the packages
[02:08] <e87hd> what do you mean?
[02:09] <holstein> e87hd: lets say, for example, you run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".. update updates the cache, meaning old versions wont be shown as installation candidates.. and dist-upgrade installs newer packages from your sources over the older ones you have installed
[02:09] <e87hd> ok
[02:09] <holstein> you can do that from *any* package manager.. "reload" in synaptic, for example is kind of like "sudp apt-get update"
[02:09] <e87hd> I specifically want to download a certain version of a package
[02:10] <holstein> e87hd: sure.. why? and what package?
[02:10] <holstein> you may find that you can use synaptic to easily "force older version" of some package
[02:10] <e87hd> oh
[02:10] <e87hd> how do I do that?
[02:10] <holstein> if you want a newer one, then, thats a different story.. is that the case?
[02:11] <e87hd> nope, I want an old version
[02:11] <e87hd> where is the force older version?
[02:11] <holstein> e87hd: in the synaptic package manager, its in the menu
[02:12] <holstein> e87hd: i used to just search for the package by name, right click or highlight and use force version from the menu
[02:12] <e87hd> I dont see synaptic package manager
[02:12] <e87hd> I am in xubuntu 14.04
[02:13] <holstein> sure.. you can easily install it
[02:13] <holstein> sudo apt-get install synaptic ..or whatever package manager you are using.. its another GUI package manager
[02:13] <holstein> !info synaptic
[02:15] <e87hd> ok
[02:15] <e87hd> they dont have the version I need
[02:15] <e87hd> I will just build from source
[03:19] <xubuntu073> hello anyone got a moment to help a newb
[03:19] <holstein> xubuntu073: just ask.. a volunteer may be able to assist
[03:20] <xubuntu073> its rather embarassing i would prefer to have a 1 on 1 discussion if thats ok
[03:21] <holstein> xubuntu073: this is the xubuntu channel.. anything related to the xubuntu operating system support
[03:40]  * cfhowlett grabs popcorn and leans back ...
[06:43] <xubuntu432> manda
[09:22] <rmyc> hey what is the best open source language-learning software?
[09:31] <akis> hi all. i am trying to find the best driver for my 8300gd nvidia and i download the 340.32 driver from official site. now i am running 173. do maybe know how can i change to 340.32. it is not in available driver list of additional driver to choose it.
[11:41] <akis> hello dear friends. i want to ask if in /home there are stored information about display driver's configuration and if yes in which dir are they stored?
[11:59] <brainwash> akis: user-specific information? like screen resolution?
[12:06] <akis> brainwash: screen resolution maybe, or refresh rate, or specific driver used or anything else concerned to display driver.
[12:08] <brainwash> akis: take a look at ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml
[12:19] <akis> brainwash: no displays.xml there.
[12:19] <brainwash> what are you trying to fix or do anyway?
[12:30] <akis> brainwash: no nothing. i just setup another machine and i want to copy-paste my /home to this. this  copy/paste works and save time but as the source machine is a laptop and the desti nation machine is a desktop and they have absolutely different hardware configuration i am wondering if this copy-paste makes any damage to system configuration
[12:32] <brainwash> I guess it won't
[12:32] <brainwash> the displays.xml usually stores settings like screen resolution and display setup
[12:33] <brainwash> and is only created if the user manually changes any of these settings
[12:34] <akis> i have the same opinion but i am not sure. i was faced with a driver's issue on my desktop system which uses an nvidia 8300 gs and i first want to exclude this possibility
[12:39] <elfy> nothing in ~/ for nvidia here
[12:39] <akis> elfy: thank you. good news.
[12:40] <akis> have you maybe read or heard anything about the nouveau nvidia driver?
[12:41] <elfy> any changes you'd make with nvidia settings would only save to xorg.conf afaik
[12:41] <elfy> akis: you'd need to be more specific - of course I have read and heard about it
[12:45] <akis> elfy: ok i will describe the issue.  in my desktop system where i installed xubuntu 14.04 (clean installation) was installed by default Xorg "nouveau driver" but although it works very fast it pixelized for several seconds the screen after user's login and before it loads the background. So i installed 173 from the alternative drivers list because with this one the system run smoothly under 12.04. Unfortunately i realized that now (under 14.04)
[12:45] <akis>  173 works very slow and for example FireFox is very slow if i move up and own a visited page. Also there is a big lag every time i click on the xubuntu logo icon to open whisky menu. So i have to turn back to "nouveau driver". I tried also 340.32 from official site but it behaves at the same way as "noveau drive". Any idea on this?
[13:05] <elfy> akis: I don't know anymore than I did yesterday ;)
[13:07] <akis> elfy: ok my friend. i am trying to find other users reports using google.
[13:16] <malmalmal> Hello, I have a question, thanks in advance for your help; a friend for who I have installed Xubuntu run into "not enough diskspace for update". It seems she rebooted after that without doing anything in particular, and now xubuntu is not bootable nor does it appear as a partition under windows xp (dual boot machine)
[13:16] <malmalmal> last xubuntu
[13:17] <malmalmal> I am about to go usb live on that pc but I am not sure what exactly happened
[13:17] <cfhowlett> malmalmal, /boot       is full of kernels.
[13:17] <malmalmal> But why should it not boot ?
[13:17] <malmalmal> thanks for replying
[13:18] <malmalmal> may it be that it broke the partition someway ?
[13:19] <cfhowlett> malmalmal, true ... partial/broken update?  can you boot into text mode?
[13:19] <malmalmal> checking
[13:19] <cfhowlett> malmalmal, also suggest you bring this to main channel - more eyes on the prize.
[13:20] <malmalmal> what is main channel ?
[13:20] <cfhowlett> malmalmal, #ubuntu
[13:20] <malmalmal> aaaah
[13:20] <malmalmal> do you want to try to help me first ?
[13:21] <malmalmal> normal booting results in black screen
[13:21] <malmalmal> can I boot into text from grub ?
[13:21] <cfhowlett> malmalmal, nah, bring it to main, please.  more talent than I have is available.
[13:21] <malmalmal> ok thanks !
[17:26] <xubuntu645> hello
[17:30] <xubuntu645>  just installed XUbuntu but i see that  Wireless is disabled by hardware switch.
[17:31] <cfhowlett> xubuntu645, what would the switch be on windows?
[17:32] <xubuntu645> i haven't windows
[17:32] <cfhowlett> xubuntu645, not what I asked.  look at your keyboard.
[17:33] <xubuntu645> nothing
[17:33] <cfhowlett> xubuntu645, your keyboard doesn't show the wifi toggle?
[17:34] <xubuntu645> no wifi toggle
[17:35] <xubuntu645> ...packard bell easynote e4000d
[17:56] <slit> Hi! Colud someone help me with my broadcom wifi drivers. When I install them through synaptic it works but after restarting, I don't have wifi anymore. But drivers are marked at synaptic
[17:57] <slit> I am running xubuntu 14.04
[17:59] <Boom_Farmer> I just upgraded to 14.04 from 13.10, and I see in the release notes that Light Locker replaces xscreensaver.
[18:00] <Boom_Farmer> Under xscreensaver, I was able to Win-L to trigger xflock4, then walk away while programs cnotinued running.
[18:00] <Boom_Farmer> A notable example of programs that I want to continue running and continue having access to things like speakers would be the alarm clock application.
[18:01] <Boom_Farmer> This morning, i discovered to my chagrin that LightLocker does not allow the alarm clock to be loud and play music while the screen is locked.
[18:01] <Boom_Farmer> It also does something weird with swapping around the video outputs on my montirs, essentiallygoing back to the boot login screen.
[18:02] <Boom_Farmer> Question: Why should I keep LightLocker, and not replace it with xscreensaver?
[18:02] <Soelen> hello, I am having some sort of weird display issue atm
[18:03] <brainwash> Boom_Farmer: there is no reason to keep it if it breaks functionality
[18:03] <Soelen> I lost connection to my second screen for the moment because I plugged the calbe out, when I plugged it back, I was able to scroll to the right when I moved my mouse to the end of the screen
[18:03] <Soelen> everything is blank at this point
[18:03] <brainwash> Boom_Farmer: please read http://xubuntu.org/news/screen-locking-in-xubuntu-14-04/
[18:03] <Soelen> nevertheless I don't know how to disable this
[18:04] <Boom_Farmer> brainwash: I have found that, and am reading it. THanks.
[18:05] <brainwash> Soelen: it this a reproducible problem?
[18:06] <Soelen> brainwash: I don't think so, I don't know exactly what this caused
[18:07] <Boom_Farmer> brainwash: I found the lighlocker settings and disabled it. Xscreensaver works now. THanks!
[18:07] <Boom_Farmer> Is there a karma bot hereabouts?
[18:07] <brainwash> Boom_Farmer: awesome :)
[18:08] <Soelen> I can't even screenshot this
[18:08] <Soelen> when I screenshot it does take a screenshot from both screens as usual
[18:08] <Boom_Farmer> What do you mean "I was able to scroll to the right?:
[18:09] <Soelen> well
[18:11] <Soelen> imagine a screen infront of you and a second screen on the right side. Normally when you move your mouse to the right side you would reach the second screen, but in my case the first screen keeps scrolling as if it would extend the second screen
[18:11] <Soelen> it is hard to describe
[18:11] <Soelen> is there a way to reset display behaviour
[18:11] <Boom_Farmer> So the image that would normally be displayed across both monitors is now only displayed on one, and scrolls to ensure the mouse is visible.
[18:11] <Boom_Farmer> Are you using Nvidia drivers?
[18:12] <brainwash> I guess a relog should fix this
[18:13] <Boom_Farmer> GOing into your driver video settings or the Xubuntu System Settings>Display might let you reenable the other monitor.
[18:13] <Soelen> Boom_Farmer: yes nvidia drivers, you are almost correct except the I am on the second screen with my mouse as well
[18:13] <Soelen> brainwash: I relogged, unfortunatly that did not do the trick
[18:14] <Boom_Farmer> In the Nvidia settings, there's a "X Server Display Configuration" item on the left.
[18:14] <Boom_Farmer> When you click it, there's a representation of your two monitors.
[18:14] <Boom_Farmer> Are they overlapping? You should be able to drag them apart.
[18:14] <Soelen> Boom_Farmer: I am in there, no there are not overlapping
[18:15] <Soelen> but
[18:15] <Soelen> that's quite interesting
[18:15] <Soelen> let me make a screenshot
[18:19] <Soelen> http://imgur.com/hdhVJFs
[18:19] <Soelen> editing images with that weird effect is a pain in the ass
[18:19] <Boom_Farmer> What happens if you click on the blank panel?
[18:19] <Boom_Farmer> As a temporary fix, drag the bottom monitor up to the blank panel.
[18:20] <Soelen> anyway, as you can see on the left side screen1, at the bottom screen2 (I moved it down just for the sake to play wit it a bit) and some sort of 3rd? screen which extends or causes the scroll behaviour on screen 1
[18:20] <Soelen> Boom_Farmer: I cant, screen1 is follwing that blank panel down
[18:20] <Boom_Farmer> O.o
[18:20] <Boom_Farmer> Can you click on the blank panel and disable it?
[18:21] <Soelen> when I click on the blank panel I click on screen 1
[18:21] <Soelen> ow
[18:21] <Soelen> when I click on advanced
[18:21] <Soelen> I see panning is enabled
[18:21] <Soelen> panning:3840x1080
[18:22] <Boom_Farmer> And your desktop appears to be on blank?
[18:22] <Boom_Farmer> Er, on Screen 1?
[18:22] <Soelen> no
[18:22] <Boom_Farmer> Or is it on X Screen 0?
[18:22] <Soelen> well yes, sometimes it is blank
[18:22] <Soelen> sometimes it extends screen 2
[18:23] <Soelen> but nevermind
[18:23] <Soelen> I set panning back to 1920x1080
[18:23] <Soelen> it seems to be ok again
[18:23] <Boom_Farmer> Punch the Detect Displays button, see what you've got?
[18:24] <Soelen> Boom_Farmer: nothing is happening, no clue why, but don't mind that, it is working now : P thanks for the tip with the nvidia display settings
[18:24] <Soelen> the normal display settings is not showing those panning values for some reason
[20:45] <xubuntu990> Shud i install xubuntu-restricted-extras before or after the updates ? and why is the flashplugin in this extras when it come with installation anyway ?
[20:47] <Azelphur> xubuntu990: it doesn't matter what order you install it in, and flashplugin doesn't come by default
[20:47] <Azelphur> the reason why all those things are in separate packages is because they are proprietary or have licensing restrictions, the goal is to ship an open source operating system.
[20:50] <xubuntu990> I allways have flashplayer after i install xubuntu. is flashplugin something else a plugin for the mediaplayer ?
[20:51] <Azelphur> xubuntu990: adobe flash player is for flash content in the web browser, video / games websites make use of it
[20:51] <Azelphur> it's nothing to do with the media player
[20:52] <xubuntu990> After instll xubunt there is flashplayer anyway.
[20:52] <Azelphur> xubuntu990: nope, xubuntu does not ship with flash player
[20:52] <xubuntu990> it is.
[20:52] <Azelphur> unless you tick the "install restricted extras" button in the installer (which is disabled by default)
[20:52] <Azelphur> xubuntu990: no it's not, it'd be a breach of copyright law if it was.
[20:53] <xubuntu990> I mark tow extra boxes i think it is from there when install.
[20:53] <Azelphur> xubuntu990: if you tick the extra boxes, xubuntu connects to the internet and downloads adobe flash player from adobes website and installs it for you.
[20:54] <xubuntu990> yes.
[20:54] <Azelphur> but, it most certainly doesn't ship with flash player, because that'd be a breach of copyright law as I say :)
[20:54] <xubuntu990> Is this allmost the same as restricted extras ? and maybe i dont need this package ?
[20:54] <Azelphur> the restricted tickbox in the installer literally installes xubuntu-restricted-extras afaik
[20:54] <Azelphur> so, it's one and the same
[20:56] <xubuntu990> So with these 2 boxes i have the same anyway maybe.
[20:56] <Azelphur> yup, exactly
[20:56] <Azelphur> install updates runs sudo apt-get upgrade after installing
[20:56] <Azelphur> install restricted extras runs sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:56] <Azelphur> essentially.
[20:57] <xubuntu990> I meen the boxes in start of instalation.
[20:57] <xubuntu990> there is 2.
[20:58] <Azelphur> yup, that's what I'm talking about too.
[20:58] <xubuntu990> ok
[20:59] <xubuntu990> is it other things i shud install ? Or is xubuntu ready to use after instalation and the updates ?
[21:00] <Azelphur> xubuntu990: it's ready to use after installation and updates, you don't even /need/ the restricted extras tbh
[22:07] <ewerton> i started the use xubuntu !
[22:07] <ewerton> very best so
[22:07] <HedgeMage> :)