[00:29] <diddledan> pulsant finally got back to me - their top-of-cab switch had died
[01:25] <diddledan> still recovering
[07:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:34] <mapps> hm
[08:34] <mapps> fell asleep well early
[08:34] <foobarry> my son woke me at 4am
[08:34] <foobarry> didn't sleep again till > 6am
[08:35] <mapps> =[
[08:35] <mapps> i fell asleep around 1am
[08:38] <diddledan> I was adminning servers till 5am
[08:38] <diddledan> then slept for three hours and now back on the job
[08:39] <Oli> I get to do just that tomorrow :(
[08:39] <Oli> Got to love a good out-of-hours migration
[08:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:55] <mapps> diddledan,  you work from home?
[08:56] <diddledan> mapps: yeah
[09:00] <mapps> ;]
[09:03] <mapps> time for latest ep of the strain
[09:03] <mapps> :D
[09:04] <foobarry> are you constipated?
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Literacy Day! :-D
[09:57] <Myrtti> nice. libc6 update broke my get-iplayer :-|
[09:57] <Myrtti> (on debian)
[09:59] <mapps> ;]
[10:07] <davmor2> JamesTait: Ohhhhh get you with your grammar :p
[10:08] <JamesTait> davmor2, I haven't seen her for years! :-P
[10:11] <davmor2> JamesTait: bad dum tishas
[10:54] <foobarry> groooan
[10:59] <Myrtti> ooo
[10:59] <Myrtti> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk-news/2014/sep/08/prince-william-duchess-cambridge-expecting-second-child
[11:07] <foobarry> my wife had hyp. gravidarum
[11:07] <foobarry> so the duchess has my sympathies
[12:21] <directhex> http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxAp2CoIAAA4XSx.jpg:large
[12:40] <popey> directhex: what speakers did you get in the end?
[12:40] <directhex> logitech z553
[12:40] <Myrtti> I want news about the new logitech keyboard
[12:41] <directhex> they might even be discontinued now, but they're black and red and eye-catching, and not made by total muppets
[12:42] <Myrtti> still asking for 50 quid http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/multi-device-keyboard-k480
[12:53] <directhex> that looks so janky to type on
[12:55] <Myrtti> would probably work for what I'd use it for
[12:55] <foobarry> having so much trouble with apache config and https rewrites and lots of virtual hosts
[13:00] <Azelphur> my employment contract is fairly awesome: https://home.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=0d302c5f272a6614b4e0502df3360659
[13:06] <Myrtti> ugh bitcoin.
[13:06] <foobarry> i can get https://blah to work, but some default config is stomping on my http redirect :S
[13:09] <foobarry>     RewriteRule ^/?(.*)         https://%{SERVER_NAME}/$1 [L,R]
[13:10] <foobarry> would that match even sites foo and bar when i have this wrapped in the baz virtualhost ?
[13:12] <BigRedS> only if the baz virtualhost has foo and bar set as ServerAliases
[13:12] <foobarry> they aren't :S
[13:14] <BigRedS> ah, then when you request foo or bar you'll not get the baz vhost and so probably not that rewrite rule
[13:25] <foobarry> sort of fixed it
[13:26] <foobarry> although /js and /css aren't getting sent via proxy
[13:29] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:29] <popey> word
[13:30] <bigcalm> Excel
[13:30] <popey> What was that presentation software in DOS which pre-dates powerpoint
[13:30] <popey> i recall using it in 1988 or so
[13:31] <popey> Harvard Graphics!
[13:31] <popey> wow, well done brain
[13:31] <BigRedS> foobarry: if you don't mind dumping all your config to the Internet I can have a look and see if I can tell why
[13:32] <foobarry> BigRedS: thanks :D the problem is the same as this guy http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21671895/apache-reverseproxy-with-mixed-content-location
[13:32] <foobarry> i think
[13:34] <foobarry> ah i think its because each request gets sent to a capture portal
[13:36] <foobarry> this may be a non standard problem and unique to us in which case..
[13:36] <bigcalm> Chromium no longer does "hover" on things. Anybody else seen this happen?
[13:36] <BigRedS> ah. that probably doesn't help :) Can you not test locally?
[13:38] <bigcalm> Found the bug: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=357347
[13:38] <bigcalm> Oooo, it's because I'm running Synergy
[14:07] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: synergy causes bugs with a lot of the applications I use
[14:07] <SuperMatt> no idea how though
[14:07] <SuperMatt> like in evolution it stopped me from being able to expand folders
[14:12] <bigcalm> I couldn't work without Synergy
[14:17] <BigRedS> you're using synergy and evolution? I've only ever used Synergy to allow for the presence of a Windows machine
[14:17] <BigRedS> and only ever used Evolution because I need to talk to Exchange and don't have Outlook
[14:21] <Myrtti> evolution is the spawn of evil
[14:22] <Myrtti> the email programme, that is
[14:24] <foobarry> BigRedS: solved my problem
[14:24] <foobarry> the problem was ruby and browser security
[14:25] <BigRedS> ruby? ew
[14:25] <foobarry> the page was generated by ruby which was asking for http: but the browser was not happy about serving an unsecure script via a https page, even though it got redirected by apache
[14:25] <BigRedS> ah yeah, fancypants new security JSy stuff can get irked by trying to do interesting things with the HTTP
[14:26] <BigRedS> It was way easier back in 'day
[14:26] <diddledan> yawnage
[14:27] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-29106843
[14:38] <foobarry> Azelphur: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29115193
[14:39] <Azelphur> foobarry: I wonder what they did, that news article is really sparse
[14:41] <foobarry> nigerian money scam probably
[14:41] <Azelphur> http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/vulnerable-women-duped-out-of-200-000-by-scammers-in-match-com-conspiracy-a-court-hears-1-6247848 there we go
[14:42] <Azelphur> and yea, you are right
[14:44] <foobarry> nice to know that single ladies out there have a spare £174,000 to spend on boyfriends
[14:44] <foobarry> "Mr Edwards said the alleged scam involved ‘James Richards’ saying he was due to inherit £100m following the death of his dad, but that the money was in a bank in India and he needed cash to help free it up."
[14:44] <foobarry> meh, same old
[14:44] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:45] <foobarry> i wonder if they got their money back
[14:45] <Azelphur> somehow I doubt it
[14:46] <Oli> Amazing that the classic 419 scams still work.
[14:46] <foobarry> i remember when my friend's ebay/gmail accoutns got taken over but my mate still had blackberry forwarding turned on
[14:46] <diddledan> oh dear, the sky is falling: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28707117
[14:47] <Azelphur> foobarry: the latest in my crazy life is https://home.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=0d302c5f272a6614b4e0502df3360659 :)
[14:47] <SuperMatt> Oli: social engineering works on the desperate.
[14:47] <foobarry> he could see the guy sending message for offline payment and getting stuff delivered to an addres in islington
[14:47] <SuperMatt> and they don't have to be desperate for money either
[14:47] <SuperMatt> desperation can be for companionship
[14:47] <foobarry> then the guy would write emails to his mum from the gmail account
[14:47] <Oli> SuperMatt: True enough. These were dating site people so yeah, probably a good place to look for the right type.
[14:48] <foobarry> a nigerian boy writing from fred'bloggs@gmail.com saying hi mum this is my new email account
[14:48] <foobarry> doing the usual chit chat with his mum. it was bizarre
[14:48] <foobarry> google wouldn't give the account back so he had to call a friend who worked there
[14:48] <SuperMatt> yowzer
[14:49] <SuperMatt> that's quite interesting really
[14:49] <SuperMatt> I wonder if my mum would fall for it
[14:49] <foobarry> why wouldn't you have your own email account?
[14:50] <foobarry> my bro and sis are more compassionate/trusting than i
[14:50] <foobarry> and get dragged into stuff like timeshare
[14:51] <foobarry> as soon as i've  heard 5 seconds of the story, i'm saying timeshare, get away
[14:51] <foobarry> they are "what? is it a trick then?"
[14:51] <foobarry> like the time i caught my sister about to click submit on a form with her cc details
[14:52] <foobarry> but some clear text on the page that should have been in a drop down box "Zimbabwe" made her pause, just as i walked in "NOOOOOOOOO stooooopp"
[14:52] <SuperMatt> foobarry: same reason people don't have their own cloud files. It's just too damn difficult for regular users
[14:53] <foobarry> allegedly the nudie pics were not very strong passwords
[14:53] <foobarry> i heard they ran the "hack" against 500 passwords
[14:54] <SuperMatt> ouch
[14:54] <SuperMatt> that's not good
[14:54] <foobarry> might be untrue
[14:54] <foobarry> nut i'm sure it was thru ibrute
[14:54] <diddledan> http://igg.me/at/Steampunk-Animation/x/4039834
[14:54] <foobarry> nothing seems to twig ..hmmm... nudie pics... hope these are safe
[14:54] <foobarry> and so many people did it!
[14:55] <SuperMatt> I've been meaning to write a blog post about how the "front door" analogy that people keep using
[14:55] <SuperMatt> saying "I locked my front door, I should be able to keep nudes in my home"
[14:56] <SuperMatt> well  I say "no, you locked someone else's door and kept your nudes in someone else's house, but you only have access to one of the doors in the building and you don't know where the others are and how secure they are"
[14:59] <ali1234> wat
[15:01] <ali1234> my theory right now is that the trading ring thing was true, and one of the members got his dropbox and/or icloud hacked
[15:02] <SuperMatt> maybe
[15:24] <foobarry> you locked the door but the window is made of paper and its in a dark alley way that nobody will ever see you trying to get in
[15:24] <ali1234> a better analogy is you put all your stuff in a rented locker at the airport
[15:25] <foobarry> without cctv
[15:25] <ali1234> no, it has cctv, but they turn it off when the government agents are going through all the lockers
[15:26] <foobarry> apple had no cctv as they weren't locking out brute force attempts
[15:26] <foobarry> and probably weren't logging it or they would have the person by now
[15:27] <ujjain> Is there any UK bank that offers 2% rent without any *** conditions?
[15:27] <ali1234> or that vulnerability wasn't used
[15:27] <ujjain> UK banking is so complex :(
[15:27] <ali1234> or they know who did it ad just haven't picked him up yet
[15:27] <foobarry> rent = interest?
[15:27] <ujjain> yes, rent = interest.
[15:27] <ujjain> rente in Dutch.
[15:27] <ali1234> 2& interest? ahahahahahaha
[15:27] <ujjain> I think my English failed me there hehe, interest yeah.
[15:28] <ujjain> I once had 5% interest with Icesave.
[15:28] <ali1234> you won't get 2% without a 3 year bond or something
[15:28] <ali1234> yeah icesave was a massive ponzi scheme
[15:28] <ali1234> they went bankrupt, cost the UK millions of pounds
[15:28] <ali1234> they caused the recession we are in now
[15:29] <ali1234> at least in part
[15:29] <ali1234> which is why you are not going to get 2% from anyone
[15:29] <Myrtti> show me an account in any bank with 2% interest without any conditions in any country
[15:29] <ujjain> yeah, true, there were some others with 5% too, lloyds bank has actually 4% if you have more than 4000 on your account, but only until 5000, which I just passed.
[15:29] <ali1234> there is no bank acount anywhere without any conditions...
[15:29] <Myrtti> no kidding
[15:29] <ujjain> well, I saw Turkish banks with 9% when EU was 5%
[15:30] <ali1234> yeah, and look at turkey now
[15:30] <ujjain> highest interest without conditions in NL right now is 1,65.
[15:30] <ujjain> yeah, changing currency is a high risk yeah.
[15:34] <diplo> I get 5% on mine at the moment, but it only last 12 months :/
[15:35] <diplo> http://www.nationwide.co.uk/products/current-accounts/flexdirect/features-and-benefits
[15:35] <foobarry> i keep forgetting to sort mine out
[15:35] <foobarry> and get tax taken off the missis account
[15:45] <Myrtti> I have all my moneys still in Finland.
[17:31] <ali1234> what does it mean in php when a function has \ before it?
[17:31] <ali1234> eg \syslog(...)
[17:31]  * DJones wonders if Daviey 's twitter account has been hacked looking at tehe seemingly random *.blogspot.com links being spammed
[17:32] <diddledan> ali1234: that's using php's namespaces
[17:32] <diddledan> \syslog means the syslog() function from the root namespace
[17:32] <kirrus> Hey, is Daviey here?
[17:32] <kirrus> Or can someone get ahold of him?
[17:32] <kirrus> His twitter is hacked and is spamming.
[17:32] <DJones> Querying the twitter spam>
[17:32] <diddledan> Daviey: are you here?
[17:33] <DJones> Yep, I've mentioned it here
[17:33] <kirrus> ahh, sorry
[17:33] <ali1234> hey guys, i think daviey's twitter was hacked
[17:33] <diddledan> ooh, haxxored twits?! link me!
[17:34] <diddledan> aah I found it
[17:34] <diddledan> yeah, it would seem so
[17:34] <ali1234> is it that one where it's all like "hey @somebody is this you? <url>"
[17:35] <ali1234> then when you click you get a fake twitter login form
[17:36] <diddledan> it looks like they've just @mentioned everyone he follows or maybe who follows him with a link of the form "blahblah.blobspot.com @follower"
[17:37] <DJones> ali1234: http://imgur.com/UB44Cgb
[17:37] <DJones> Screenshot from polly
[17:37] <ali1234> yeah look spretty standard
[17:37] <SuperEngineer> Daviey: is currently looged on as admin in #UUPC .. warn him there?
[17:37] <diddledan> oh golly, that just reminded me of "polly in my pocket" the kids' toy from yesteryear
[17:38] <ali1234> i've used tweeteraser.com to clean that stuff
[17:38] <ali1234> where does fail2ban log to?
[17:38] <ali1234> when it bans someone
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> yes
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> in /var/log/fail2ban.log
[17:39] <diddledan> ali1234: either auth.log or syslog/messages (depending on whichever is there - I get confused so I try both syslog and messages due to different distros doing it differently)?
[17:39] <diddledan> aah, well diddled, MartijnVdS
[17:40] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: has the correct answer, cheers
[17:40] <diddledan> so obvious now
[17:40] <ali1234> i now have it banning wordpress bots, nice
[17:41] <ali1234> ...and it banned a ssh brute forcer too
[17:41] <ali1234> this is pretty nifty
[17:41] <diddledan> "British plugs are better than all other plugs and here's why" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q)
[17:41] <diddledan> love that there's a video for that
[17:42] <ali1234> right, one more qustion, what's the deal with pingback spam?
[17:43] <MarkDude> British plugs are larger than many of the devices I am powering
[17:44]  * MarkDude is just sayin'
[17:45] <MarkDude> Cool video- do folks really call it an *earth pin*?
[17:45]  * MarkDude is in NorCal
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> MarkDude - no... most of us call it "Fred" ;)
[17:48] <MarkDude> Thats pants.
[17:48] <MarkDude> :)
[17:48] <diddledan> SuperEngineer: MarkDude: Fred is an awesome thing!
[17:48] <diddledan> :-p
[17:48] <ali1234> dont most people call it "ground"
[17:49] <diddledan> I call it earth
[17:49] <MarkDude> Dont get me wrong- UK plugs win for technical reasons
[17:49] <ali1234> speaking of earth http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29108451#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa
[17:49] <diddledan> but that might be because I know what I'm talking about due to daddy's trade
[17:49] <ali1234> someone should explain to them the difference between weight and mass
[17:50] <MarkDude> weight and mass are relative......
[17:50] <MarkDude> XD
[17:50] <ali1234> weight is relative, mass is not
[17:50] <diddledan> ali1234: indeed, kg is mass. N would be weight
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> *all* things are relative
[17:50] <ali1234> you weigh less on the moon but your mass is the same
[17:50] <diddledan> if I recall my science classes
[17:51] <diddledan> N being newtons
[17:51] <diddledan> on earth 1kg = 1N which makes it easy to confuse the two
[17:53] <ali1234> er.. no
[17:54] <diddledan> or is it 10N?
[17:54] <ali1234> 1kg = 9.81N... think about it... F = M x A
[17:54] <diddledan> bearing in mind I can't do the squiggly "roughly equal" symbol without mashing every key on my keyboard to find it
[17:54] <ali1234> technically 1kg * 9.81ms^-2 = 9.81N
[17:55] <diddledan> but anyway my point that kg is mass but people use it to mean weight because they're mormons :-p
[17:56] <MarkDude> If a Catholic church is going speed of light- does it STILL have mass?
[17:56]  * MarkDude drops mic. Walks off stage
[17:56] <SuperEngineer> ...so the difference between well earthed & well grounded is???  [I am only one of those 2 items]
[17:56] <diddledan> speaking of which, I think the gravitational pull of my body on surrounding objects is becoming not-insignificant :-D
[17:57] <diddledan> i.e. I'm overweight
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2014/09/08/the-other-infinite-loop-that-all-coders-fear/
[18:00] <diddledan> lol
[18:01] <diddledan> that's my life alright
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> same here
[18:05] <SuperEngineer> near infinite loop... air dust sister's pooter; grab new can of air duster, continue air dusting sister's pooter, get new can of air duster......
[18:06] <SuperEngineer> [coughh, choke, cough]
[18:45]  * czajkowski tickles davmor2 
[18:45]  * davmor2 cut
[18:46]  * davmor2 grabs czajkowski hands and cuts her nails short and scraggly.....oh and hello stranger how are you?
[18:48] <czajkowski> davmor2: great :)
[18:48] <czajkowski> anyone on 14.04 and having issues with chromium ?
[18:48] <czajkowski> won't launch currently
[18:48] <czajkowski> earlier on kept saying there was an isue with profile
[18:49] <daftykins> perhaps a reset is worthwhile
[18:49] <czajkowski> hmm
[18:50] <popey> i had that when my machine had rebooted
[18:50] <popey> ends up leaving the profile unusable
[18:50] <czajkowski> ahhh
[18:50] <czajkowski> 2 reboots later I seem to have it now
[18:51] <czajkowski> so how are we all doing ?
[18:53] <daftykins> i had a wee trip to the hospital after a nasty bike accident, but today was the FIRST day i was able to tie my hair myself! :D
[18:53] <daftykins> so definitely on the up and up
[18:54]  * davmor2 wonders if the bike accident was due to hiar caught in the spokes
[18:54] <daftykins> lol
[18:54] <daftykins> it's still a bit of a mystery as to what happened
[18:54] <daftykins> proper amnesia.
[18:55] <Myrtti> diddledan: can recommend the hairy dieters book. It's brilliant.
[18:56] <davmor2> I can recommend a Lionel Blair Cut like mine
[18:56] <diddledan> apparently I look like Dave Myers (the hairy biker dude)
[18:57] <czajkowski> I recommend clipping hair back before gettng on a bike
[18:57] <czajkowski> I do wonder how Laney hasn't crashed yet
[18:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: I just drive a car
[18:57] <czajkowski> likewise
[18:57] <czajkowski> full speed ahead and all that lark
[18:58] <czajkowski> although since driving over where with jon and learning more about bikers I've come to see how to best avoid crashing into them
[18:58] <czajkowski> aka giving them more space
[18:58] <diddledan> him: http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/590x/Dave-Myers1-443134.jpg and me from last weekend at a wedding: https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/q81/p403x403/10632834_10152680493793896_6551808780321129618_n.jpg?oh=92e281b8d0dcda4bea0d4e34935dd10a&oe=54D08F56
[18:58] <czajkowski> it's the numpties on them that do crazies things though that give them a bad name
[18:58] <diddledan> ignore that my name isn't hazel :-p
[18:59] <czajkowski> diddledan: Long lost twins
[19:00] <daftykins> diddledan: not what i heard
[19:00] <daftykins> ;D
[19:00] <diddledan> daftykins: shush
[19:01] <diddledan> daftykins: it was that one time
[19:01] <daftykins> D:
[19:11] <ysiry> hey
[19:11] <ysiry> im from israel, if scotland recedes - can we make a comeback?
[19:12] <diddledan> err?
[19:12] <Myrtti> what
[19:13] <Myrtti> I don't get it
[19:13] <diddledan> Myrtti: nor me
[19:13] <ysiry> we want in
[19:13] <ysiry> back in*
[19:13] <Myrtti> back in what
[19:13] <ysiry> back in as members of the british empire
[19:14] <ysiry> if scotland leaves, theres an empty spot
[19:14] <Myrtti> because Ubuntu Linux UK local community is the venue to ask this.
[19:14] <Myrtti> ok.
[19:14] <diddledan> I think we're the guys to talk to about doing so, because we're very influential with the british government
[19:14] <Myrtti> oh yes.
[19:15] <diddledan> just last friday I was talking with ol' Dave Cammy about important "things"
[19:15] <ysiry> brits lack humor :/
[19:15] <ysiry> in second thought, I dont want in
[19:16] <Myrtti> ok.
[19:17] <davmor2> diddledan: next time slap him silly till he listens ;)
[19:18] <Myrtti> totes mcgoats.
[19:18] <ysiry> do they sing the 6th stanza in god save the queen in international events?
[19:18] <ysiry> about crushing scottsmen
[19:19] <davmor2> ysiry: Depends on how important the event is I think the very full version is about 16 so I am guessing not
[19:19] <ysiry> 16 verses?
[19:19] <ysiry> I only knew of 6
[19:21] <diddledan> the most anyone sings in celebration of the queen at an important event is 2 verses
[19:21] <diddledan> finding someone in britain who actually knows the second verse, however, is very difficult so that is usually just a load of mumbles
[19:21] <ysiry> really
[19:21] <directhex> i prefer the verse in la marseilleise about bathing in the blood of enemies
[19:22] <ysiry> its not about bathing in blood of enemies
[19:22] <ysiry> its about scaring the women and children of the enemy
[19:22] <ysiry> I prefer the verse in the spanish athem uber alles
[19:22] <ysiry> verses*
[19:22] <ysiry> anthem**
[19:23] <ysiry> it has no lyrics
[19:23] <ysiry> its just a tune.
[19:23] <ysiry> they used to have lyrics but they were removed post-Franco times.
[19:24] <ysiry> so most of the people in the UK never learned the rest of the lyrics?
[19:25] <directhex> i vote on changing the national anthem to "i've got a lovely bunch of coconuts". all in favour?
[19:26] <ysiry> found the 6th verse from god save the queen:
[19:26] <ysiry>     Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
[19:26] <ysiry>     May by thy mighty aid,
[19:26] <ysiry>     Victory bring.
[19:26] <ysiry>     May he sedition hush,
[19:26] <ysiry>     and like a torrent rush,
[19:26] <ysiry>     Rebellious Scots to crush,
[19:26] <ysiry>     God save The King.
[19:26] <ysiry> this is not much better than the french anthem
[19:26] <davmor2> ysiry: there are 12 sorry,  9 official and then one for canada newzealand and zimbabwe.  On the whole the first 5 are sung which are ones that were pulled from the original 9
[19:27] <ysiry> that is a lot of verses.
[19:29] <ysiry> The Dutch anthem has a part in it where they pledge allegience to the Spanish king, isnt that bizzare?
[19:30] <ysiry> on the first first verse.
[19:30] <ali1234> i remember some computer atlas software from school that played the national anthems of the countries with really bad general midi
[19:31] <ali1234> i don't remember what it was called, but it was amusing at the time
[19:33] <gebbione> hello
[19:34] <ysiry> do they change the word Queen with King depending on the gender of the monarch?
[19:36] <ali1234> yes, of course
[19:38] <ysiry> Has there ever been a time when there was no Monarch?
[19:39] <popey> yes, before we were a monarchy
[19:40] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_monarchs
[19:40] <popey> quite some time ago ☻
[19:40] <ysiry> I mean after the monarchy was already established
[19:41] <ali1234> yes, there are gaps where people were basically fighting for the crown
[19:45] <ali1234> ah, also 1649 to 1660, no monarch
[19:46] <ysiry> what happend?
[19:46] <popey> Cromwell!
[19:46] <ysiry> el vikingo?
[19:46] <ysiry> ah
[19:46] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_England
[19:47] <ysiry> was he basically as powerful as the king?
[19:48] <ysiry> mister lord protector
[19:48] <ysiry> seems like he "served" in his position until he passed away
[19:48] <ysiry> and was kinda dynastic too?
[19:48] <ysiry> seems like the entire thing was handed to his son
[19:50] <popey> some would like the country carved back up into those dominions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monarchs_of_Wessex#mediaviewer/File:British_isles_802.jpg
[19:51] <ysiry> like who?
[19:51] <ysiry> btw
[19:51] <ysiry> why is it calle "England"
[19:51] <ysiry> after the Anglos
[19:52] <ysiry> and not Wesland or something
[19:52] <ysiry> after Wessex
[19:52] <ali1234> morrisey probably https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKoS5X4SMrY
[19:53] <diddledan> well if you follow football it's called "engerland" rather than "england"
[19:53] <diddledan> :-p
[19:53] <ysiry> why is it named after angles though and not after saxons?
[19:54] <ysiry> it seems like it should have been called Wesland or Saxland or something
[19:54] <ysiry> wasnt england formed by kings of Wessex?
[19:54] <ysiry> who were Saxons.
[19:55] <diddledan> why is America called America when there were native americans who used a different name before?!
[19:55] <ali1234> wrong, actually
[19:55] <diddledan> the victor writes the rules
[19:55] <ysiry> i know why american is called america
[19:56] <ysiry> i dunno why england is called englkand not not saxland or something
[19:56] <diddledan> the victor writes the rules
[19:56] <ali1234> because saxons were the people, anglo- was the place
[19:56] <ali1234> anglo-saxons means saxons who live in "england" as opposed to germany
[19:57] <ysiry> wait
[19:57] <ysiry> They were from mercia
[19:57] <ysiry> thats what I learned :/
[19:57] <ali1234> they were from saxony
[19:57] <ysiry> there was wessex and mercia
[19:58] <ysiry> and they fought together against el-vikingos
[19:58] <ysiry> how long is the idea of a single "England" ?
[19:59] <ysiry> and the idea of "English" people?
[20:00] <ysiry> does it go back to roman times?
[20:00] <ali1234> no
[20:00] <ysiry> certainly viking times
[20:01] <ali1234> yes
[20:01] <ali1234> "By 1012, the Vikings were in service in England as Thingmen, a personal bodyguard to the King of England."
[20:01] <ali1234> roman period was 1000 years before that
[20:02] <ysiry> hmm
[20:02] <ysiry> right
[20:02] <ysiry> from wiki:
[20:02] <ysiry> "Alfred was the first King of the West Saxons to style himself "King of the Anglo-Saxons"."
[20:03] <ysiry> Alfred the Great (849 – 26 October 899)
[20:04] <ysiry> After Alfred had taken London in 885 and converted it into a burh, ‘all the English people that were not under subjugation to the Danes submitted to him’.
[20:06] <ysiry> so there was definitely an idea of a single English people
[20:06] <ysiry> compared to the Danes.
[20:07] <ysiry> and apparently by the time of his grandson Athelstan's reign, there was already a single UK
[20:07] <ali1234> why all the questions?
[20:07] <ysiry> question still remains
[20:07] <ysiry> why they chose angle and not saxons
[20:08] <Myrtti> because pudding.
[20:08] <ysiry> pudding?
[20:08] <Myrtti> pudding.
[20:09] <ysiry> chocolate pudding?
[20:10] <directhex> butterscotch
[20:10] <ysiry> never tried that
[20:12] <ysiry> how do you even make butter out of scotch?
[20:12] <ysiry> or scotch out of butter
[20:27] <MarkDude> This channel has better talk to read than any other geek channel I have seen :)
[20:27] <popey> ☻
[20:27] <ysiry> sorry :/
[20:27] <popey> its often like this, no need to apologise
[20:28] <popey> we aren't particularly fussy about people being on topic round here
[20:28] <popey> in fact most of the time it's offtopic
[20:28] <popey> its unusuall for people to talk about ubuntu ⍨
[20:28] <popey> IME
[20:31] <diddledan> popey: it's more of a social gathering in here :-)
[20:31] <popey> ya
[20:33] <diddledan> and that's partly why I like it in here :D
[20:36] <ali1234> skellat raised this point in his UDS talk
[20:38] <ali1234> locos should be off topic, cos if you wanted to be on-topic you'd be in the channel for that topic, not a geographical one
[20:38] <ali1234> so loco channels provide a localize off-topic space, which builds community, which is the whole point
[20:43] <izdubar> +1