[00:36] <cratos> hello folks. I just installed xubuntu on my acer one netbook. I have a hiddden wireless networkk that the machine doesn't automatically connect to.
[00:36] <cratos> I can click on the network icon,, and say connect to hidden network and it works correctly
[00:37] <cratos> is there a way you guys know to automate this? Any help is appreciated!
[00:51] <writing_novel> Hello, hello, hello! I am just installing Xubuntu and was curious about a few things...
[00:55] <writing_novel> I am curious, the XFCE look seems to be a bit messed up. The Standard XFCE has more a gnome 2 look, what happened to the XFCE is Xubuntu? Why is it messed up?
[00:56] <pleia2> Xubuntu uses alternate theme and setup than Xfce based on user feedback
[00:56] <pleia2> so it's not "messed up" - it's Xubuntu, not Xfce
[00:56] <pleia2> well, not "plain Xfce"
[00:57] <pleia2> if you don't like it you can change it though :)
[03:04] <writing_novel> Ah, okay. How do I change it to the "plain Xfce"?
[03:05] <writing_novel> It is advertised as Ubuntu + Xfce - but I mean, people used to Xfce are expecting a particular look, so, its not surprising people installing it would be like, WTF? its not Xfce.
[03:05] <writing_novel> I realized it was (as a friend had installed it and thought what I just described)
[03:05] <writing_novel> but
[03:05] <writing_novel> I'd prefer to have Xfce if that is what is promised
[03:05] <writing_novel> How do I change it back to its normal Xfce mode?
[03:11] <xyzone> what's different? the menu maybe
[03:12] <writing_novel> the menu is entirely different. At any rate, I'd like to upgrade to the plain XFCE style?
[03:12] <writing_novel> how do I modify it back to real XFCE?
[03:12] <xyzone> edit the menu
[03:12] <writing_novel> I am looking for a how to or that kind of thing not a generalized "just do such and such"
[03:13] <writing_novel> I obviously have no idea how to turn it into a normal XFCE
[03:13] <xyzone> all i'd know is to edit the menu or the skel file
[03:13] <writing_novel> I am not editing anything
[03:14] <writing_novel> I want what comes with XFCE normally
[03:14] <writing_novel> I will find out how to normalize or end up dumping Ubuntu in favor of something with a normal XFCE
[03:14] <xyzone> dump it
[03:14] <writing_novel> I do not want this windows like garbage. I want the Gnome 2 experience that XFCE was originally intended to be like
[03:14] <writing_novel> I might have too
[03:15] <writing_novel> I hoping I find a way to fix it
[03:16] <writing_novel> Anyway I gotta try some other rooms, this one has not turned out to be very helpful
[03:16] <writing_novel> but thanks anyway
[03:21] <Unit193> writing_novel: Log out, and in the session selection select "Xfce" rather than "Xubuntu"
[03:21] <writing_novel> OK! I shall try that.
[03:23] <writing_novel> No go, it has not fixed the issue. Despite doing that I still have this messed up "windows like" menu
[03:23] <writing_novel> it seems not look like the old style Gnome2 Applications menu I expect
[03:24] <Unit193> Seems it's still using Whisker, usually logging into that session gives you stock Xfce.
[03:26] <writing_novel> ok
[03:26] <writing_novel> If Whisker is the weird menu system, then yes, I got Whisker again.
[05:40] <Helios79> Are there any known issues with VIA's (yeah I know, don't remind me how bad they are) P4M890 chipset and version 14.04 of Xubuntu? I get a red cursor instead of the XFCE interface. 12.04 seems to work fine.
[05:48] <gabkdlly> Helios79: Usually, if there are known issues, a web search will usually return them.  But the place where issues are tracked for Ubuntu ( and its derivatives like Xubuntu ) is  https://bugs.launchpad.net
[05:49] <gabkdlly> Helios79: I recommend you search for "P4M890" on launchpad.
[06:07] <Helios79> I'll just stick with 12.04 instead of fighting with a search. Not like support for 12.04 is dropping anytime soon.
[06:28] <gabkdlly> Helios79: Were you booting off of an installation medium ?  Did you verify your installation medium before trying to boot ?
[06:28] <gabkdlly> Helios79: Did you use 14.04.1 ?
[06:36] <gabkdlly> Helios79: What program did you use to create the install medium ?  I usually get the best results with UNetbootin.
[06:38] <Helios79> Imgburn + the media. Debian Wheezy installs fine, 12.04 installs fine, and I've had the same disc work on other configurations.
[06:38] <Helios79> Probably just typical VIA chipset issues.
[06:45] <gabkdlly> Ah, OK.
[06:56] <james0r> man seems like alacarte and menulibre are just buggy as hell on xubuntu 14.04
[06:57] <james0r> most unexpected stuff goes on while trying to do simple stuff
[06:59] <james0r> making a desktop file manually seems to be the only option
[07:02] <james0r> ahh running menulibre as sudo seems to work alright. guess it was just permissions issues.
[07:02] <james0r> in that case editing the menu by using the Whisker context menu is useless.
[09:20] <alket> is there a clean looks theme ?
[09:20] <alket> like it used to be in gnome 2 ?
[09:21] <cfhowlett> alket, there is ubuntu-gnome
[09:21] <alket> cfhowlett, yeah i know , but i like xfce , i just want that theme
[09:23] <cfhowlett> alket, searc www.xfce-look.org
[09:24] <alket> thanks
[09:25] <cfhowlett> alket, happy2help
[10:22] <Umberto54> Salve
[10:22] <Umberto54> Ho un problema di installazioone. Posso chiedere?
[10:23] <cfhowlett> !italian | Umberto54
[10:25] <Umberto54> grazie
[10:34] <Umberto54> quit
[11:35] <sorinello> Hello. Is there an equivalent of Gnome Commander in XFCE ?
[12:06] <HedgeMage> WTF is Gnome Commander?
[12:08] <mchew> Commander of the Gnome Army.
[12:08] <mchew> j/k :)
[12:08] <mchew> It's a file manager.
[12:14] <HedgeMage> Ahh.  I'm more of a CLI type, but I know that Thunar is installed in Xubuntu by default, and spacefm is available in the repos.
[12:16] <elfy> gnome-commander is in the repos
[12:16] <elfy> sorinello: ^^
[13:28] <gatis> Hi how can i delete all Xfce4 pannels?
[13:28] <GridCube> and still use xfwm4?
[13:28] <gatis> yes
[13:28] <gatis> sir
[13:29] <gatis> I like dock :) so i don't need panel
[13:29] <GridCube> >killall xfce4-panel
[13:29] <GridCube> should kill it and still have xfwm4 running
[13:30] <GridCube> you restart the panels using xfce4-panel from alt-f2
[13:33] <GridCube> you can go to settings > session and startup > applications autorun > add a task "killall xfce4-panel"
[13:33] <GridCube> i don't know how to set it up to not launch it in the first place
[13:33] <GridCube> im sure you can tho
[13:36] <GridCube> gatis, in the configuration tool "Configuration editor" you have a setting called xfce4-session, and one of its tasks is xfce4-panel, i would not change my settings but i think thats what you need to edit
[13:44] <gatis> Thanks. I was having dinner
[13:44] <ikonia> gatis: please show me the output of "uname -a"
[13:45] <gatis> ikonia: why?
[13:45] <ikonia> because you are using archlinux
[13:45] <ikonia> not ubuntu
[13:45] <ikonia> and you're using this channel because you've been banned from archlinux and the archlinux offtopic channel
[13:46] <GridCube> i hardly believe that was necesary here
[13:50] <whyameye> I updated from 12.04 to 14.04 and now my screen blanks on timeout very early even though I have shut off screen blanking and the screen saver
[14:06] <Hedgework> check your acpi settings...it's possible that the screen isn't blanking because xscreensaver told it to, but because your power management thinks it's time to save power
[14:09] <whyameye> I just found that xset had a timeout for the screen saver to 60. I assume that's seconds? I wonder what is setting xset? I don't see anything setting it in my sessions/startup. Anyway, I just turned screenblanking off for xset and I'll see if that makes a difference
[14:15] <alan_o> Hi all. I just installed the 14.10 beta and it's outstanding. It required the least amount of tweaking of any desktop distro I've installed in a long time. Keep it up!
[14:17] <elfy> hi alan_o - that's great - what would be even better would be for you to actually report that on the image tracker
[14:17] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds - there are xubuntu 32 and 64 bit options at the bottom
[14:17] <elfy> thanks :)
[14:17] <alan_o> ok, will do.
[14:18] <elfy> awesome - I'm having a rather bad time actually getting results on tracker this cycle - as far as I know we've got about 10 installs of 14.10 ;)
[14:31] <alan_o> ok, done. Had to reset password, etc...
[14:38] <elfy> alan_o: thank you :)
[14:38] <animeman> after 15 yrs on windows i dived in and what a learning curve eh
[14:39] <deshipu> animeman: it's way better than 10 years ago
[14:41] <alan_o> So the puzzling thing to me about the xfce project is that development is moving forward (as evidenced by Xubuntu), but there's no indication of it on the xfce website or in the way of official xfce releases. If one went to the xfce website, they would get the impression that it was a stagnating project, with no releases in 2 years. Is there some part of it that I'm missing?
[14:42] <cfhowlett> alan_o, xfce and xubuntu are 2 different things.
[14:42] <alan_o> I read someone say that the Xubuntu and xfce teams are largely the same people and that the code the xubuntu people do does make it into the xfce repos. Is that not true?
[14:42] <cfhowlett> alan_o, and there HAVE been updates to xfce recently and ongoing
[14:42] <Unit193> "Development" releases, Xfce components of 4.11 have had several releases, alan_o.
[14:43] <cfhowlett> alan_o, I've no doubt they share developers, but ... xubuntu = canonical.   xfce is a different entity.
[14:43] <alan_o> hmm ok. so what I read was a bit exaggerated then.
[14:44] <alan_o> Well, development releases I can't argue with. On the main page though, "latest news" says 4.10 released in April 2012.
[14:44] <Unit193> alan_o: Depends on what you mean, Parole, Xfce4-powermanager, and maybe xfce4-settings are taken care of by a couple Xubuntu devs.
[14:45] <cfhowlett> alan_o, peek at the credits.  all kinds of people are involved.
[14:45] <alan_o> no doubt about it.
[14:47] <cfhowlett> alan_o, but you are absolutely right - last update to the main main was 2012.  they could perhaps do a better job of updating their news.
[14:48] <alan_o> Yeah, it's come so far since then. It really is nice.
[15:35] <derek-g> Why do I get this message when trying to mount sshfs share in thunar: "Failed to open / on username@server. The name :1.1025 was not provided by any .service files"
[15:36] <derek-g> I killed all gvfs services - but that didn't help...
[15:36] <holstein> derek-g: i would try mounting manually or with gigolo, and see if i get any errors.. or if the server is up and all that.. up/avialable
[15:38] <derek-g> holstein. hmm. yeah. it opened from gigolo.
[15:39] <derek-g> holstein, it just came up with some error "cache invalid" first time I've tried opening it up from gigolo.
[15:39] <derek-g> holstein, but then it worked - and it now opens from thunar too.. weird.
[15:39] <derek-g> holstein, thanks.
[15:39] <holstein> derek-g: well, gigolo just mounts it.. and then, you can navigate from whatever filemanager
[15:40] <holstein> derek-g: i mean, i like using gigolo, but, that doesnt answer why its not mounting in thunar..
[15:40] <xubuntu914> can¨t play youtube movies no sound en picture
[15:41] <GridCube> xubuntu914, check that pavucontrol is streaming the sound to your desired device
[15:41] <xubuntu914> what
[15:41] <holstein> xubuntu914: try troubleshotting these independent of your system audio.. does audio work otherwise?
[15:42] <xubuntu914> yes radio sound is good
[15:42] <holstein> xubuntu914: what radio?
[15:42] <xubuntu914> 3fm
[15:42] <holstein> xubuntu914: anyways.. i would consider using the flash player in the chrome browser..
[15:42] <GridCube> open pavucontrol, clic on the speaker icon in the panel, go to settings, see in the first tab when playing a video that its sending the sound to the device you want to listen, if its hdmi it should say hdmi, if its analogue it should say that
[15:43] <derek-g> holstein, it's mounting. But then after ssh server get's restarted or if I connect via VPN to some other network - thunar's shortcut get's corrupted or something.
[15:43] <holstein> derek-g: well, it gets unmounted
[15:43] <holstein> derek-g: you may want something more persistent.. samba for example..
[15:43] <holstein> !samba
[15:43] <DJJeff> when choosing a theme in xfce4-appearance-settings it changes for current user
[15:44] <DJJeff> how to change it for the root user
[15:44] <holstein> !root
[15:44] <GridCube> you should never log in as root
[15:44] <derek-g> holstein, yeah. these boxes I can only ssh in - can't install smaba on them.
[15:44] <holstein> DJJeff: you should not have, and dont want a root user
[15:44] <DJJeff> I launch wireshark as root
[15:44] <derek-g> holstein, but that's ok- imho gigolo should work for me.:)
[15:45] <DJJeff> because its need
[15:45] <holstein> derek-g: i like the tool.. and that might the be best/easiest for you, since you cant do much server-side
[15:45] <DJJeff> and the menus in a application started with gksu are ugly
[15:45] <holstein> DJJeff: you should be able to specifiy whatever settings you want the application to have.. gksudo appplication-name -flags-for-themeing
[15:46] <DJJeff> theme files go into /usr/share/themes right?
[15:47] <holstein> DJJeff: you dont have a root user, so you cant just apply a theme to that account that is not there, and shouldnt be used
[15:47] <knome> or /home/.themes/ for single-user use; you can get more information in the docs..
[15:47] <holstein> DJJeff: i would just look into launching the application with an argument about a theme to use
[15:47] <DJJeff> not all apps support choosing a theme
[15:48] <DJJeff> making it system wide makes sense
[15:52] <holstein> DJJeff: http://askubuntu.com/questions/57990/set-a-specific-theme-for-root-launched-applications is where i would start..
[15:53] <DJJeff> it states that root apps use the theme of the user that starts the app
[15:54] <DJJeff> great link though
[15:54] <holstein> DJJeff: if the root app you were using used the theme of your user, you'd be fine then, correct?
[15:55] <DJJeff> yes
[15:55] <holstein> DJJeff: i thought you were asking becuase the theme is *not* being used from your user? this link states where to create the files in the locations that knome was suggesting that the root launch should use
[15:56] <DJJeff> like in xfce4-appearance-settings I choose a theme for my normal user account say (Greybird)
[15:56] <DJJeff> and I do gksu wireshark
[15:56] <DJJeff> wire should also use (Greybird)
[15:56] <DJJeff> wireshark*
[15:57] <holstein> sure, i understand that .. but thats not what will happen, since you are running that as a different user.. the link i gave explains how to specifiy a theme for the gksu lanuch
[15:58] <holstein> i would read from "I found a hack to get get a system wide change :)
[15:58] <holstein> read from there to the end of the page..
[15:58] <DJJeff> I guess it would also depend if the application is gtk2 gtk3 or qt
[15:59] <DJJeff> and if my theme supports all 3
[15:59] <holstein> DJJeff: then, you will change what you need accordingly..
[15:59] <knome> if you have installed a theme in your home folder, applications ran with gksudo will not use the theme, unless it's *also* available in /usr/share/themes
[16:00] <DJJeff> most of the time newer themes are backwards compat and support all 3
[16:01] <holstein> DJJeff: then, just link to one you want that suits your needs, and put it where it needs to be
[16:01] <DJJeff> will do
[17:25] <joppe82> anybody knows is it possible to install acestream player to xubuntu 14.04
[17:26] <bazhang> !info acestream
[17:26] <bazhang> from where
[17:30] <joppe82> its on 13.04 repo but no 14.04
[17:31] <joppe82> its an app to watch live sport streams
[17:31] <bazhang> !find acestream
[17:31] <bazhang> PPA?
[17:32] <joppe82> nope
[17:32] <bazhang> compile it then I suppose
[17:32] <joppe82> im a noob :)
[17:32] <brainwash> or contact the package maintainer
[17:33] <bazhang> find another app then
[17:37] <joppe82> just switched from win 7 to linux, lot to learn
[17:39] <brainwash> feel free to join the offtopic channel if you want to talk about general stuff
[17:39] <brainwash> !ot
[17:40] <enkienlil> hello all, I have been trying to use the program APTonCD, although it creates an ISO K3B burns a coaster, it fails at 98.2%, any ideas?
[17:41] <brainwash> !k3b
[17:42] <brainwash> it's a KDE app, sadly I'm not familiar with it
[17:43] <enkienlil> I'm using Xubuntu 14.04 with standard desktop, I found the program in software manager.
[17:44] <enkienlil> supposed to be the bees-knees for backups :/
[17:44] <brainwash> that's fine, I suggest that you ask in #ubuntu and #kde also
[17:44] <brainwash> xubuntu does not ship any KDE applications by default
[17:45] <enkienlil> It was in software manager?
[17:45] <brainwash> so, supporting them here is a bit tricky
[17:45] <brainwash> you can find everything in the software manager
[17:45] <enkienlil> troo
[17:46] <brainwash> but the people in this channel usually use Xfce/Xubuntu specific software
[17:46] <brainwash> you can try to burn the iso with xfburn
[17:46] <brainwash> it's Xfce own burning tool
[17:46] <enkienlil> Now there's a problem
[17:47] <enkienlil> when I set the burn speed to x4 it still burns at max speed
[17:47] <brainwash> in xfburn?
[17:47] <enkienlil> ...is why I used K3B
[17:47] <enkienlil> yer
[17:47] <brainwash> oh, mmh, maybe worth reporting it as bug on launchpad
[17:48] <enkienlil> will do...something is definitely going wrong somewhere
[17:51] <joppe82> well another question, how can i prevent xubuntu to go log off mode when i am not in the computer, because i use remote desktop from my ipad.. when xubuntu goes  log off mode i can not connect
[17:55] <brainwash> joppe82: does it log out or only lock the screen? the login and unlock screens look very similar
[17:56] <brainwash> you can disable screen locking via settings manager > light locker settings
[17:56] <joppe82> ok thanks
[19:26] <hoijui> i have compiz running on xubuntu 14.04. it reopens the previously open applications after reboot, but all on the first screen, instead of on their original ones. how to fix this?
[19:28] <holstein> i bet it does.. i suggest not using compiz in xfce as a "fix".. other than that, is it happening with another user?
[19:32] <hoijui> holstein... ok.. i did not try an other user yet
[19:33] <hoijui> i use compiz because of the scale and expo effects only, but thye are the best way i have seen so far for navigating between windows
[19:33] <hoijui> though you are right.. it has other bugs too
[19:33] <holstein> you should consider other compositor options.. i find/found that compiz in ubuntu is closely related to unity, and, is problematic to implement in xfce, at best
[19:34] <hoijui> even with these two things i use, it has multiple problems (cant combine expo and scale (not anymore, worked a few years ago)
[19:34] <hoijui> mmm
[19:34] <holstein> sure.. a few years ago, it wasnt so closely tied to unity
[19:34] <hoijui> can you suggest anything wiht a nice way to switch between windows?
[19:34] <hoijui> mm
[19:35] <holstein> hoijui: TBH, i just use the xfce one.. but, there are other options.. you'd just have to check them out.. really depend on what you want
[19:35] <hoijui> i still see many of the new things in linuxworld as a way to hinder it
[19:35] <hoijui> ok
[19:35] <holstein> compton?
[19:42] <hoijui> thanks holstein.. will look around, and check that one out too
[20:01] <hoijui> i am going to give "awesome" a try. in the description of features i saw one thing that could seal the deal for me: windows are tagged, adn screens can show multiple tags, and tags can be shown on multiple screens
[20:48] <joppe82> good night and thanks for your help
[21:31] <m3n3chm0> hello, chromium crash since today :S url_request.cc(709)] Trying to send secure referrer for insecure load
[21:44] <knome> m3n3chm0, then file a chromium bug in launchpad
[21:45] <m3n3chm0> ?¿
[21:46] <knome> if you have a bug with chromium, file it on launchpad
[21:46] <m3n3chm0> you mean it's a bug since today on this bug on launchpad opened ?
[21:47] <knome> i'm not following you.
[22:29] <writing_novel> snuffeluffegus: You have badly mutated the spelling of Aloysius'  informal name, it is spelled: snuffleupagus
[22:30] <writing_novel> (last name)
[22:33] <snuffeluffegus> woa
[22:34] <snuffeluffegus> Yeah I know
[22:34] <snuffeluffegus> It's a play on an afk nickname
[22:35] <knome> guys... we have #xubuntu-offtopic for general chatter ;)
[22:37] <snuffeluffegus> oo sry
[22:37] <knome> that's fine ;)