[04:17] <hatch__> huwshimi: hey how goes things?
[04:18] <huwshimi> hatch__: OK, just trying to get all the bits of this delete/updating working
[04:21] <hatch__> are you going to be able to get your branch in pr shipped?
[04:22] <huwshimi> hatch__: Oh, I forgot about that branch :)
[04:22] <hatch__> lol
[04:22] <hatch__> we are trying to get this release out this week!!!!
[04:23] <hatch__> it's looking possible
[04:23] <hatch__> oh so close
[04:24] <hatch__> also if you're looking to do some qa'ing https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/534 :)
[04:29] <huwshimi> sure, I'll take a look
[04:39] <huwshimi> hatch__: Can you only QA your branch with a real env?
[04:39] <hatch__> huwshimi: it's the only way to know for sure that the non 'undefined' string is not sent to Juju
[04:40] <huwshimi> hatch__: Ah I see. How long will it take to get one set up?
[04:40] <hatch__> do you have a juju env set up alredy?
[04:40] <hatch__> like juju boostrappable 
[04:41] <huwshimi> hatch__: No that I know of
[04:41] <hatch__> oh ok then you can forget about it for now....it doesn't take too long but you will need an ec2 account and all that
[04:41] <huwshimi> sure
[04:42] <huwshimi> hatch__: Last time I had it all set up juju and lxc wreaked havoc on my machine so I've been a little tentative in setting it up again.
[04:43] <hatch__> hmm intersting....well remind me in brussels and we can get you back up and running again
[04:44] <huwshimi> hatch__: This was quite a while ago :)
[04:45] <huwshimi> I got burnt :)
[04:46] <hatch__> oh haha
[05:09] <hatch__> huwshimi: want to read a blog post and give me some feedback before I post it?
[05:09] <huwshimi> hatch__: I can do that :)
[05:10] <urulama> morning huwshimi, hatch__
[05:10] <hatch__> huwshimi: http://fromanegg.com/private/97035773367/tumblr_nbmbm7Hxpg1rojfnp  thanks
[05:10] <hatch__> urulama: hey morning
[05:11] <hatch__> u should read that post too, lemme know what you think
[05:11] <huwshimi> urulama: Morning!
[05:11] <urulama> from an egg :)
[05:12] <hatch__> haha yup
[05:13] <urulama> hatch__: kids do play with Lego :)
[05:13] <hatch__> :D
[05:14] <urulama> hatch__: who's the audience for this? 
[05:14] <hatch__> developers who don't know what juju is
[05:15] <hatch__> the people who are fawning all over docker right no
[05:16] <huwshimi> hatch__: Looks good!
[05:16] <hatch__> awesome
[05:19] <urulama> hatch__: maybe first deploy apache, then destroy haproxy, for less downtime 
[05:20] <hatch__> :) can do
[05:20] <hatch__> thanks for reading!
[05:24] <urulama> hatch__: nice. i see it more for people that want to use juju for "solutions", but that means developers who want to increase the audience for their services as well
[05:25] <hatch__> urulama: yeah I've been meaning to write posts on solutions and stuff but just trying to find the time heh
[05:25] <hatch__> I want to get my blog moved over to Ghost first :)
[05:26] <hatch__> then I can use it as a case study
[05:26] <urulama> hatch__: nice though :) hope it gets traction
[05:27] <hatch__> yeah as do I, I want juju to get on the hype machine
[05:27] <hatch__> :)
[05:28] <urulama> there was startup festival here in my town previous week, and i went there on saturday. docker, puppets and chef all over, people don't even get what orchestration is ... 
[05:30] <hatch__> nope they don't....I'm not sure what our problem is....like how do we get people to 'get it'
[05:36] <hatch__> hopefully my posts will help :)
[05:36] <hatch__> anywho I'm getting off now....cya in 8h urulama :)
[05:36] <hatch__> cya  in 16 huwshimi :P
[05:36] <urulama> hatch__: good night
[11:28] <rick_h_> morning
[11:29] <rick_h_> frankban: ty for the charm releases
[12:08] <frankban> rick_h_: np. FYI, the ftests don't work with the latest firefox(32), and I had to downgrade firefox in order to run them. it seems we need to wait for the next selenium release which will support the last gecko. added a card for that
[12:13] <rick_h_> frankban: thanks for that
[12:53] <luca> rick_h_: morning
[12:58] <rick_h_> morning luca 
[14:01] <hatch> frankban: the dropping service errors bug...did you investigate a possible workaround?
[14:01] <hatch> it'a a pretty bad experience even if it's out of our control
[14:13] <hatch> jrwren_: That post is OBVIOUSLY wrong
[14:14] <hatch> :P
[14:14]  * hatch didnt read the post
[14:21] <jrwren_> hatch: Its obvious that it is not obvious.
[14:25] <jcastro> yo rick_h_
[14:26] <rick_h_> jcsackett: yo
[14:26] <frankban> hatch: no I did not
[14:26] <rick_h_> he left in a hurry
[14:26] <jcsackett> rick_h_: hola.
[14:26] <rick_h_> jcsackett: sorry, jcastro ping'd then bailed and my tab complete wasn't fast enough
[14:26] <rick_h_> there he is 
[14:26] <rick_h_> how dare he 'yo' and run
[14:26] <hatch> haha
[14:27]  * jcsackett laughs
[14:28] <rick_h_> jcastro: what's up?
[14:34] <jcastro> rick_h_, hey so do you guys have a plan for tests in the juju-gui charm?
[14:35] <hatch> jujugui I still need a review and qa on my branch
[14:36] <Makyo> hatch,  on it
[14:36] <hatch> thanks
[14:46] <rick_h_> jcastro: hmm, thought it had tests. 
[14:47] <rick_h_> jcastro: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-charmers/charms/trusty/juju-gui/trunk/view/head:/Makefile#L49
[14:48] <jcastro> rick_h_, hmm, how did the packaging thing sneak through?
[14:48] <rick_h_> jcastro: huh?
[14:50] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1366302
[14:50] <mup> Bug #1366302: install fail due to lbapt-pkg-dev <orange-box> <juju-gui:Fix Released by frankban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366302>
[14:51] <hatch> jujugui last night I wrote a new blog post. When you get a chance to read it let me know what you think http://fromanegg.com/post/97035773367/juju-explain-it-to-me-like-im-5
[14:51] <rick_h_> jcastro: it only occurrs with the cloud-archive from what I can tell
[14:51] <rick_h_> jcastro: and we don't run that on our systems when we run the tests
[14:51] <jcastro> have we thought about adding it?
[14:51] <rick_h_> jcastro: when we run tests and QA on plain trusty/precise everything is fine
[14:51] <jcastro> UCA is kind of bundled with everything
[14:51] <rick_h_> jcastro: not until this happened
[14:51]  * jcastro nods
[14:51] <rick_h_> jcastro: because we're working on developers plain system
[14:51]  * jcastro nods
[14:52] <rick_h_> it's bundled on clouds we stand up, but we don't have that in the docs for users to do
[14:52] <rick_h_> and it's not something we tend to think about on our end tbh
[14:52] <jcastro> I don't think we're using UCA on the orangebox though
[14:52] <rick_h_> if anything, it feels a bit like those putting together cloud archive and a juju solution for a client like that might want to deploy the gui in their CI?
[14:52] <jcastro> once we fire it up we'll double check
[14:52] <rick_h_> jcastro: kirkland verified he was last night
[14:52] <rick_h_> jcastro: for his demo and when he hit the bug
[14:53] <rick_h_> so the two reporters of the bug have both had UCA enabled
[14:53] <jcastro> yeah I am just not sure if that's his OB, or if all OBs are using UCA
[14:53] <rick_h_> k
[14:53] <rick_h_> more info is welcome
[14:53] <rick_h_> jcastro: but it also brings up should the Juju QA team be doing diff testing with that as well?
[14:54] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 7 please kanban
[14:59] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 1 go go go
[15:00] <rick_h_> jcsackett: rogpeppe &
[15:00] <rick_h_> ^ that is
[15:14] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: about to give lightnign talk about publish stuff and start a conversation here
[15:14] <marcoceppi> might get a flurry of questions from me in the next few mins ;)
[15:14] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: lol ok
[15:18] <kadams54> hatch: when you have a moment, take a look at my comment on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/536 and then we can chat.
[15:20] <hatch>  kadams54 replied
[15:21] <kadams54> hatch: And it's back to you :-)
[15:24] <hatch> and replied hah
[15:25] <jrwren_> hatch: reading your blogpost.  APT for the cloud scares me as APT is Advanced Persistant Threat. 
[15:26] <rick_h_> jrwren_: hah, yea hatch it's normally 'apt-get for the cloud'
[15:28] <jrwren_> hatch: puppet and chef charms? I had no idea!
[15:28] <jcastro> nice work hatch!
[15:30] <hatch> jrwren_: rick_h_ ok I'll change that
[15:30] <hatch> jrwren_:  yup anything that can be executed :)
[15:31] <hatch> jcastro: thanks glad yolu like it :) 
[15:31] <jcastro> hatch, I've got my elasticsearch one coming up today too
[15:32] <hatch> jcastro: already read and retweeted :)
[15:33] <jcastro> grr, my CDN is behind so my pictures didn't show up
[15:53] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: went well I supose?
[15:58] <hatch> jcastro: are there any good examples in the charmstore of a charm written with chef/puppet/ansible etc?
[15:58] <jcastro> hatch, elasticsearch bundle, it's featured
[15:58] <jcastro> consider that your new "flagbearer" example. has tests, etc.
[15:58] <hatch> it's ansible?
[15:59] <hatch> I'd love 3 charms, one written using each and related together.....that would be awesome 
[15:59] <jcastro> yeah
[15:59] <jcastro> rails is chef
[16:00] <jcastro> hatch, we're having a session here in about 15 minutes where we're going to add those examples to the documentation/.
[16:00] <hatch> cool
[16:01] <jcastro> I'm about to post links to both our posts on the ubuntu fb page
[16:05] <hatch> great :) 
[16:07]  * rick_h_ goes to nuke up some leftovers biab
[16:54] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: yeah. We're going to be having a lot of feedback for you. Had to bump to a second session
[16:55] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: lol ok cool
[16:55] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: but expect user stories and the like from our perspective
[16:55] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: awesome, they'll be very helpful
[17:14] <hatch> lol this keynote stream
[17:27] <kadams54> hatch: I made code changes on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/536 - we should talk more about onboarding and pending because I feel like we're two ships passing in the night right now.
[17:28] <kadams54> hatch: and yes, this keynote stream is *super* janky. Are you also hearing the translators?
[17:28] <hatch> they just stopped
[17:29] <kadams54> Cell companies have to be <sarcasm>thrilled</sarcasm> with wifi being seamlessly used by the phone app. I'm not surprised that it's T-Mobile and not AT&T taht supports it.
[17:30] <hatch> haha 
[17:31] <hatch> annnd there the stream goes
[17:32] <hatch> well it was decent while it lasted
[17:36] <hatch> kadams54: so if you move that toggle inside the pending conditional what doesn't get hidden then?
[17:39] <rick_h_> hatch: kadams54 ok, I'm looking at this branch and have a question then. You guys have time to chat in the standup hangout?
[17:39] <hatch> yop
[17:39] <kadams54> rick_h_: sure.
[17:59] <kadams54> And there's the iWatch.
[18:00] <hatch> what sorry it froze again
[18:00] <hatch> lol
[18:01] <kadams54> Sorry, the AppleWATCH
[18:02] <hatch> bahahaha https://twitter.com/jbasher/status/509398414237642754
[18:02] <kadams54> lol
[18:03] <kadams54> 'Course, most Apple users (me included) already store our credit cards there for Apple's various stores (iOS, App, iTunes).
[18:05] <hatch> yeah so do i hah
[18:05] <hatch> need my em pee threes
[18:06] <hatch> the dial on the watch is pretty cool idea
[18:07] <Makyo> jujugui need reviews/live env QA: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/535
[18:07] <hatch> hmm tests pass.....tests should fail....damnuit
[18:07] <kadams54> lol
[18:30] <jcsackett> hatch: you free for a few? want to walk someone else through this bug before i file the world's vaguest bug report.
[18:31] <hatch> lol sure one sec?
[18:31] <jcsackett> sure; i'll be in hangout standup.
[18:31] <hatch> ok im ther
[19:06] <kadams54> Ha ha
[19:06] <kadams54> Apple ended the keynote with U2 announcing their new album had just been released for free on iTunes.
[19:06] <kadams54> iTunes Store is now down.
[19:07] <kadams54> Also unavailable is their systems status page
[19:10] <kadams54> rick_h_, hatch: just pushed the changes we discussed. Take a look, especially at inspector-header.handlebars and comments in topology/service.js.
[19:11] <rick_h_> kadams54: rgr
[19:25] <rick_h_> kadams54: <3
[19:36] <hatch> kadams54: is that how you do comments in handlebars?
[20:06] <jcsackett> jujugui: can i get two people to look at https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/539
[20:11] <hatch> jujugui I also need reviews on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/540
[20:11] <hatch> looks like everyone should grab some reviews :)
[20:11] <rick_h_> review day!
[20:11] <rick_h_> looking at yours jcsackett 
[20:17] <hatch> kadams54: +1 just plz rebase it down :)
[20:18] <hatch> Makyo: is yours ready to go again?
[20:18] <hatch> oh...yes
[20:22] <kadams54> hatch: yeah, will do.
[20:25] <hatch> Makyo: so I see your changes...sure seems like a lot of work, why didn't simply setting the button to be disabled work?
[20:25] <hatch> (curious)
[20:28] <rick_h_> hatch: Makyo added a qa note on the branch as well
[20:28] <hatch> cool saw that - I am just spinning up a fresh env to test in
[20:28] <rick_h_> hatch: +1 on the test. It feels like there needs to be one for each state it could be in correct? Do the other states already have a test perhaps? 
[20:29] <hatch> that's what I was thinking but I figured I'd wait to hear the response 
[20:31] <rick_h_> ok, think I've gotten nosy about everyone's branches. Going to EOD. 
[20:31]  * rick_h_ runs away
[20:34] <hatch> hah cya
[21:09] <jrwren_> Good evening all, I'm gone for day.
[21:17] <Makyo> hatch, sorry, was at appointment.  Setting the button disabled was fine until the next ecs change came through, then the deployer bar was updated.  Also, after commit, the deployer bar is rerendered.
[21:18] <hatch> ahh....well it turns out there is a qa issue :) sorry
[21:18] <Makyo> That's fine, will get to it.
[21:42] <hatch> taking a break. bbiab
[21:48] <rick_h_> jcsackett: hey, your comment makes me think of a QA scenario there
[21:49] <rick_h_> jcsackett: so this delete unit should be able to clear-all and have that still work
[21:49] <jcsackett> oh?
[21:49] <rick_h_> jcsackett: did you test the clear-all of a uncommitted 'remove unit'?
[21:49] <jcsackett> rick_h_: i saw that hatch was doing QA and didn't.
[21:49] <jcsackett> rick_h_: but nominally i'll bet it fails.
[21:50] <jcsackett> lemme spin it up.
[21:52] <rick_h_> jcsackett: rgr, ok
[21:52] <jcsackett> rick_h_: so, it looks like that actually works.
[21:52] <rick_h_> jcsackett: ok cool
[21:52] <jcsackett> which surprises me.
[21:53] <rick_h_> I was wondering about the 'deleted attribute' and I assumed it would be required for that
[22:23] <jcastro> rick_h_, ctrl-alt-h!
[22:23] <jcastro> rick_h_, also, is that not available on jujucharms.com?
[22:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: checking. I was just trying to deploy a live charm and see what is has. I thought we did release it
[22:27] <rick_h_> jcastro: jujucharms.com might be too old I guess. comingsoon has it. 
[22:27] <jcastro> the kbd shortcut will do the job for now, thanks
[22:27] <rick_h_> jcastro: we've got the MV release the week of the 22nd per marketing/etc so everything will get updated then
[22:27] <jcastro> I always forget to hit ?
[22:27] <jcastro> :(
[22:27] <rick_h_> ok, sorry for the short curt reply at first
[22:27] <rick_h_> I forgot it might not have been released, it was so long ago we added it
[22:28] <jcastro> no worries
[22:29] <jcastro> it's just on a projector the combo of the sidebar and "lol your resolution sucks resize your browser" is pretty bad
[22:29] <rick_h_> jcastro: yep, understood, definitely +1 on the shortcut to hide it for that stuff
[22:29] <rick_h_> jcastro: thanks for letting me know you're unblocked. 
[22:31] <jcastro> hey so kirkland called me
[22:31] <jcastro> apparently everything is running flawlessly
[22:31] <rick_h_> sweet!
[22:31] <jcastro> rick_h_, also he mentioned that maas will pull in cloud archive stuff
[22:31] <jcastro> which is why even though you reinstall an OB from scratch with vanilla ubuntu
[22:31] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, we've got on our todo to get better at MAAS testing and such. It's been a bit off our radar
[22:32] <jcastro> at some point, UCA will be added and enabled
[22:32] <jcastro> yeah also, any plans to add maas support to quickstart
[22:32] <rick_h_> right, we released the two charm fixes today so we're good for now, but have a todo to make sure we do better testing/qa on that front. Kind of :/ so many combinations 
[22:32] <jcastro> or will whatever core does just supercede that?
[22:32] <rick_h_> jcastro: yes, that's still on our cycle todo and we filed a FFE for it
[22:32] <jcastro> ack
[22:35] <rick_h_> jcastro: have you guys tried out machine view on the orange box this week yet?
[22:37] <jcastro> rick_h_, it's been bootstrapping/deploying all day, network is :(
[22:37] <jcastro> rick_h_, I'll have it for a full week at home on ethernet though, so I'll have time
[22:38] <rick_h_> jcastro: ok, I might bug you about coming over and trying to do a screencast/demo next week then
[22:38] <rick_h_> jcastro: there's one in the web team in london we're also trying to get some qa/shots from so we'll see. Thanks
[22:39] <jcastro> I have 2 swap days next week so if you wanna meet me halfway transportation wise you can borrow it?
[22:39] <rick_h_> oh hmm, we'll see. 
[22:39] <hatch> oh I didn't know you guys lived close together
[22:39] <rick_h_> jcastro: you taking them mon/tues? or later in the week?
[22:40] <jcastro> probably mon/tue?
[22:40] <rick_h_> jcastro: ok, maybe I will then. I'll be gone camping until Sun night but maybe can meet up Monday. 
[22:41] <rick_h_> jcastro: setup pretty easy?
[22:41] <jcastro> rick_h_, I'll call you when I get home and we'll figure something out
[22:41]  * rick_h_ hasn't looked much at how it works
[22:41] <rick_h_> jcastro: k thx much
[22:41] <jcastro> it's pretty much follow the directions, I'll send them to you now
[22:44] <hatch> to buy a ps4 or xbox one...or neither....that's the question
[23:01] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:01] <rick_h_> morning huwshimi 
[23:20] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[23:27] <huwshimi> hatch: Do you have any idea how this actually updates the machine token? https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/blob/develop/app/widgets/machine-view-panel.js#L1292
[23:27] <huwshimi> Oh, nevermind, it doesn't you have to call render manually :)
[23:36] <hatch> :)
[23:38] <jcastro> hey fellas I have 2 incoming MPs for your charm to make it pass charm proof
[23:38] <jcastro> which we need for automated charm testing to not show you guys as bright red fails.
[23:58] <hatch> jcastro: u rock
[23:58] <huwshimi> hatch: I've fixed the machine token updating icons, would you mind checking the branch again? https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/538
[23:58] <hatch> *grumble grumble grumble*
[23:58] <hatch> ok fine
[23:58] <hatch> :P