[07:21] <SuperMatt> morning all
[07:22] <ujjain> morning *
[07:24] <BigRedS> Goooooood morning!
[07:24] <Oli> Braaaaains...
[07:30] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:40] <ujjain> morning young padewons
[07:40]  * ujjain waves yedi flag
[07:54] <SuperMatt> yedi?
[07:55] <popey> Morning
[08:12] <ujjain> jedi?
[08:12] <ujjain> it's star wars.
[08:14]  * popey needs moar coffee
[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wonderful Weirdos Day! :-D
[08:17]  * directhex is blogging about gamergate
[08:18] <popey> Ruh-Roh
[08:22] <directhex> it's been years since i was controversial on my blog
[08:22] <directhex> there are lots of swears in it.
[08:22] <popey> i liked the ITV blog post you did with your animals
[08:22] <popey> iirc it was you?
[08:23] <directhex> and 6 different synonyms for poo!
[08:23] <directhex> yeah, that was mee
[08:24] <directhex> the embedded images are all broken now tho
[08:28] <directhex> i used a gallery plugin for wordpress before it had adequate functionality of its own, and it's gotten worse over time
[09:02] <directhex> popey: feel like reviewing my text?
[09:02] <popey> sure
[09:31] <directhex> blog blogged. http://apebox.org/wordpress/gaming/635/
[09:43] <Myrtti> directhex: great text.
[10:03] <dogmatic69_> in bash is it possible to get prams 3 ->
[10:03] <dogmatic69_> eg in the script I want to do foo/bar/command $1 $2 something $everything-else
[10:04] <dogmatic69_> kind of $* but without $1 and $2
[10:07] <BigRedS> you could make it an array, then shift twice, but you'd not then overwrite $1 and $2
[10:08] <dogmatic69_> I could store $1/2 first then shift?
[10:08] <BigRedS> yeah, shift might even return those values. I stop using bash way before arrays come into it
[10:09] <dogmatic69_> how does this shift work? http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_09_07.html is not helping
[10:10] <BigRedS> ah, right, you maybe don't even need to do arrays
[10:10] <BigRedS> it looks like you'll get what you want if you do somevar=$1; someothervar=$2; shift 2
[10:11] <BigRedS> at which point $3 has become $1
[10:11] <BigRedS> I'm not sure, experiment?
[10:12] <dogmatic69_> thanks for the head start
[10:14] <halt2> Hi All, I have a BT mouse and keyboard, but they keep droping the connection when I do not use them, which will be not an issue if they are reconnecting when i stat to use it again but it does not, any suggestion what should i hack to make it work ? as it should be ?
[10:17] <dogmatic69_> BigRedS:  exactly right. works great
[10:18] <BigRedS> ah good!
[10:19] <BigRedS> halt2: that the batteries are charged?
[10:20] <halt2> BigRedS: good guess, yes they are, but I have to note the system see them on 0% even if they are on 100%
[10:26] <halt2> but now you asking it could be related, it's shout it down because it thinks the battery is flat , but it's not
[10:37] <ali1234> directhex: does your blog actually have a point? what is it that you want me to do?
[10:37] <Myrtti> don't be dick in Twitter.
[10:38] <Myrtti> I think that's the main point.
[10:38] <ali1234> i don't use twitter (or facebook)
[10:38] <Myrtti> well, don't be dick in general is a good guidance
[10:38] <ali1234> literally everyone who uses them is a massive asshole
[10:38] <directhex> yeah, i was going for "don't be an idiot" rather than anything particularly penile
[10:38] <ali1234> LITERALLY
[10:39] <ali1234> is there anything else i need to do?
[10:39] <Myrtti> directhex: yeah, I considered, but LRL2008 and mjg's speech came to mind
[10:40] <directhex> ali1234: general case? condemn bad behaviour. silence is complicity
[10:41] <ali1234> i can only condemn bad behaviour that i actually see
[10:41] <Myrtti> I'm so burnt out on the past misogynistic geek idiocies that I can't give more than retweets
[10:41] <ali1234> and since i don't use twitter i have no idea what it is you're actually talking about
[10:41] <directhex> i could add a short paragraph saying as much, if you think it should be spelled out.
[10:42] <ali1234> or am i supposed to go around actively seeking out bad behaviour just to condemn it?
[10:42] <directhex> the big problem, which ties into the larger issue of under-representation, is a lack of empathy. just getting people to think about what effect they have on others is *hugely* productive. i'd like to think i achieve that with what i write.
[10:43] <directhex> obviously don't go looking for trouble
[10:43] <directhex> but be self aware, and empathetic, and you're 90% of the way to a better you
[10:43] <ali1234> i am very aware that i have absolutely no influence on other people at all; especially in real life
[10:47] <directhex> for the specific problem of gamergate, it's simple. don't join in, use #gameethics for grown-up discussion, point out the dog-whistle to your peers if you see them engage. if everyone did that, it wouldn't be a huge poopstorm.
[10:47] <directhex> for wider issues of diversity in tech, that's a LONG discussion.
[10:48] <ali1234> i don't have any peers
[10:48] <Myrtti> then why are we having this conversation?
[10:48] <Myrtti> just to waste time?
[10:48] <ali1234> pretty much. i have no life
[10:49] <ali1234> seriously tho, i don't know any other videogamers outside of the people in this channel
[10:50] <BigRedS> I know people who play games, but not many people who describe themselves as "a gamer"
[10:50] <ali1234> right
[10:50] <ali1234> "gamer" means you go on twitter and talk about it a lot?
[10:51] <BigRedS> well, it's like the distinction between 'a cyclist' and 'someone who rides a bike'
[10:51] <ali1234> exactly
[10:51] <BigRedS> many people define themselves by one of the activities they do a lot. I don't know many people who do so with computer games or bicycles
[10:52] <ali1234> i don't know many people at all, and the ones I do generally don't define themselves in that way at all
[10:52] <davmor2> ali1234: grow a peertree you have lots of peers then ;)
[10:53] <ali1234> pretty much any group is defined by its worst members
[10:54] <BigRedS> well, at least by its least-normal ones, those who are most obviously not in the group of non-members
[10:56] <ali1234> wat
[10:56] <Myrtti> davmor2: just out of interest, are the main replies to your questions mainly groans?
[10:57] <Myrtti> :-D
[11:00] <davmor2> Myrtti: did you not know I wrote christmas cracker jokes part time?
[11:00] <BigRedS> haha. The people who are used to define a group aren't necessarily the 'worst' members, they're the people who are most obviously members. So the group of gamers is most defined by the teenage boys with poor hygene. They're more obviously 'gamers' than the rest of the people who identify as such
[11:01] <directhex> which is totally meaningful, in 2014, with 1.7 billion downloads of angry birds
[11:02] <BigRedS> yes, but those people don't identify as 'gamers' in the same way as the millions of people with a bike in the shed don't identify as 'cyclists'
[11:20] <BigRedS> In firefox, searches from the Wonderbar seem to be performed with whichever engine is picked for the 'search' box. Is that the way it's supposed to be?
[11:20] <ali1234> yes?
[11:21] <BigRedS> Ah. I'll revert back to being of the opinion that the search box is completely useless
[11:21] <BigRedS> I thought its one point was that it could be made to search differently to the wonderbar
[11:21] <ali1234> no, the reason for it is for people who don't know what urls are
[11:22] <BigRedS> hm? If the address box and the search box behave in exactly the same way, surely its only purpose is for people who haven't noticed they can search with the address bar?
[11:23] <ali1234> yeah the search box is kind of pointless
[11:23] <ali1234> it does mean you can always go back to your last search
[11:24] <ali1234> the address bar clears out the search as soon as you hit enter
[11:24] <BigRedS> ah yeah, I guess it doesn't guess things are URLs and fill them with %20s or try to use 'Error' as a scheme
[12:06] <ali1234> https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3478
[13:16] <Tej> Hi guys.my ubuntu os slows down when copying files.can any one tell me a solution?
[13:17] <SuperMatt> what filesystem type are you using?
[13:18] <Tej> Ext4
[13:18] <Myrtti> are you copying the files in the graphical user interface?
[13:18] <Myrtti> instead of command line?
[13:18] <Tej> Yes sir
[13:18] <Myrtti> is any part of the system a USB drive?
[13:19] <Tej> Wd external harddrive
[13:19] <Myrtti> how old harddrive, how old computer?
[13:20] <Tej> Asus i7 , 8gb ram. Wd 1tb hard disk usb3.0
[13:20] <Tej> Almost 1 year old hdd
[13:24] <daftykins> and then he was gone
[13:30] <directhex> is anyone brave enough to say "IO on linux is garbage, and the whole thing is always slow under IO load"?
[13:31] <foobarry> definitely the latter
[13:31] <foobarry> well desktop UI anyway
[13:36] <Myrtti> the desktop UI slows it down definitely
[13:49] <ali1234> directhex: i say that all the time
[13:49] <directhex> good
[13:49] <ali1234> dd to usb -> total system freeze until it finishes
[13:50] <popey> new iphone mockup made me chuckle http://i2.wp.com/dailytechwhip.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/iphone-6-4point7inch-screen.jpg?resize=640%2C342
[13:51] <ali1234> the deadline scheduler is the problem, noop will prevent this
[13:53] <popey> http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/09/04/nvidia-launches-patent-suits/
[13:54] <ali1234> i'm not sad to see qualcomm and imagination getting sued
[13:55] <foobarry> lawyers rubbing their hands
[13:57] <diplo> A friends laptop is having screen issues, I'm thinking a ribbon/cable connection issue rather than gfx card issue. Thoughts ? When you bootup the screen either goes white or sometimes multi coloured and other times it just works, sometimes if you move the lid it'll start working
[13:58] <foobarry> not sure why i watch these progs http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04grp09/horizon-20142015-4-inside-the-dark-web
[13:58] <foobarry> in dumbing down they actually don't appeal to many ppl
[13:58] <popey> https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola+Moto+360+Teardown/28891
[13:59] <popey> diplo: dell?
[13:59] <diplo> Acer
[13:59] <diplo> Fairly old now
[13:59] <foobarry> schumachers going hom
[13:59] <foobarry> e
[13:59] <popey> i find sometimes it's a doggy connection, and the connectors are often in the bezel around the screen
[13:59] <popey> *sometimes* you can "fix" it by pinching the bezel all the way around
[14:00] <foobarry> sometimes its the inverter
[14:00] <diplo> I'll give that a go, otherwise I guess it's worth taking apart as I really do think that's the issue
[14:00] <diplo> Wouldn't the invertor either break or work.. not be tempremental ?
[14:00] <foobarry> but usually results in black screen
[14:00] <diplo> From previous experience
[14:00] <foobarry> diplo: no, my sis has the same issue
[14:01] <ali1234> why would the inverter affect the picture? it powers the backlight, if it is CFL
[14:10] <diplo> Just watched a few vids on yourtube and the ribbon does seem to be the cause on a few Extensa models.. will take a part tomorrow and see if it's just loose/damaged and if not order a new one
[14:25] <mapps> hm
[14:25] <mapps> replacement board for my broken samsung should be here tomorrow..yay
[14:52] <diddledan> two hours until the apple event
[14:53] <diddledan> quote from macrumors: "Apple will also be streaming the event live on its website, and users will need to be running Safari on Mac/iOS in order to watch the stream."
[14:53] <diddledan> annoying that apple restrict things like that
[14:53] <diddledan> how difficult is it to allow other browsers to stream it?!
[14:54] <popey> why would they care?
[14:54] <ali1234> i know i don't
[15:03] <BigRedS> diddledan: someone was paid to put that restriction robustly in place
[15:04] <directhex> yeah, there is no valid reason for the block, it's just to make mac users feel good about being in a club
[15:04] <daftykins> mapps: board!?
[15:50] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hhdxqw6zm40opvo/AABr7vB7JayyUR60cxW8YERAa?dl=0
[15:51] <foobarry> how long has chrome had an icon on the system tray?
[15:53] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/e7UKGlK.png
[16:14] <foobarry> paypal doing bitcoin transactions!
[16:15] <ali1234> diddledan: got a hard wordpress question for you: i want to aggregate a bunch of rss feeds into wordpress posts, and then generate an rss feed of those posts as well as displaying them on the site
[16:15] <ali1234> i want all the posts no matter where they come from to have the same guid, but wordpress always modifies my guid and puts http:// on the front of it
[16:16] <diddledan> hmm. I can't think of an answer to that without investigation
[16:16] <ali1234> it does this because "security reasons" (there is a comment next to the code that modifies the guid)
[16:17] <diddledan> what security is gained from changing the guid?!
[16:17] <ali1234> job security probably
[16:17] <ali1234> ie "i'm the only person who understands this code"
[16:18] <ali1234> so anyway, i just need a filter that lets me edit the rss items when it prints them out
[16:20] <ali1234> maybe i could do it backwards
[16:20] <foobarry> yep
[16:21] <foobarry> aggregate items into a single feed, then produce wordpress page from it
[16:21] <ali1234> what? no, that won't help
[16:22] <ali1234> what i need to do is add a filter on get_the_guid that does str_replace('http://www.facebook.com', 'www.facebook.com', $guid);
[16:23] <diddledan> ali1234: you can do just that: http://codex.wordpress.org/Plugin_API/Filter_Reference/get_the_guid
[16:23] <ali1234> yeah i know
[16:23] <ali1234> the problem is that will apply to every post on the site
[16:24] <ali1234> and the guid will still be wrong in the database
[16:24] <ali1234> it will work though
[16:25] <ysiry> whats the English equivalency of IRA and 401(k) form?
[16:25] <ali1234> ISA (individual savings account)
[16:26] <ali1234> and there are many types of pension plans, not sure which is exactly equivalent to 401(k)
[16:26] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Savings_Account
[16:27] <ali1234> diddledan: so now i need to know if get_post_by_guid applies that filter or not...
[16:28] <diddledan> ali1234: before or after the fetch? I would expect it to fetch by the guid in the database and apply the filter after fetching it
[16:28] <diddledan> which sucks because the one in the db is wrong
[16:28] <diddledan> I see your pain
[16:29] <ali1234> that's okay, i can apply the filter that breaks the guid manually before calling get_post_by_guid
[16:29] <ali1234> either way it's fine, i can work around it
[16:29] <ali1234> i just need to look at the source
[16:29] <diddledan> use the sauce, luke
[16:30] <ysiry> oh wow
[16:30] <ali1234> oh wait, get_post_id_by_guid is a function *i wrote* lol
[16:31] <ali1234> so it uses the "fixed" guid, cos it hits the DB direct
[16:31] <ali1234> that's even better, no chance of it getting "fixed" later on
[16:31] <ysiry> seems like recently the british gov announce to cancel its decision that forced british savers to pull out their pensions as a monthly budget for the rest of their lives - meaning that they previously forbidded one-time monetary withdraw of the pension fund.
[16:32] <ali1234> yeah they changed it recently
[16:32] <ysiry> but now theyv'e change that, and savers can get their money either as monthly budget or a single lump-sum
[16:32] <ysiry> inspite of the dangers invovled with lump sum withdraws
[16:33] <ysiry> and the fact that they might not have a pension
[16:33] <ysiry> oh
[16:33] <ysiry> i see
[16:33] <ysiry> they charge 50% tax for this lump sump withdraw
[16:33] <ysiry> sum
[16:33] <ysiry> so youd have to be irrational to choose this option
[16:34] <ysiry> eyt, its still impressive.
[16:34] <ysiry> yet
[16:36] <ali1234> even if i filter the guid, wordpress just breaks it again before inserting it into the rss
[16:40] <ysiry> wow
[16:40] <ysiry> you can also buy pension allotments in the UK independently
[16:40] <ysiry> not through insurance companies.
[16:41] <ysiry> that is nuts.
[16:41] <ysiry> I want to move in
[16:44] <ysiry> the terms of withdrawls are set by the british regulator and they oversee it to make sure that it doesnt decrease too rapidly?
[16:45] <ali1234> http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/160806/how-can-i-prevent-or-workaround-wordpress-guid-mangling
[16:46] <ysiry> do you know how this works ali1234 ?
[16:46] <ali1234> what?
[16:46] <ysiry> the settings for the  terms of with withdrawls
[16:47] <ysiry> withdrawals
[16:47] <ali1234> no
[16:47] <ysiry> do you pay fees for deposits?
[16:47] <ali1234> i don't know?
[16:48] <ysiry> do you know what your management fees are?
[16:48] <ali1234> i don't have a pension
[16:48] <ali1234> so zero
[16:48] <ysiry> really
[16:48] <ysiry> is it not mandated by law?
[16:48] <ali1234> i don't have a job either
[16:48] <ysiry> ok.
[17:04]  * SuperEngineer is having "fun" watching DBAN doing it's thing on sister's old hard drive
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> [for "fun" - read "getting bored"]
[17:55] <DJones> Why is that all the tweets I'm seeing about new apple products are less than complementary.....
[17:56] <DJones> ...Oh I know, most the IT/tech people I follow are open source people
[18:00] <ali1234> oh, apple are making giant phones too now?
[18:07] <diddledan> ali1234: the real shocker that nobody saw coming is they're making the AppleWatch now
[18:07] <ali1234> haha
[18:10] <SuperEngineer> but haven't Apple *always* "watched" [you]
[18:10] <shauno> you're thinking of google ;)
[18:11] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:11] <shauno> apple want your money.  google want your data.  slightly different takes on evil
[18:13] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - location sata is location data - no matter who the thief/bigcorp
[18:13] <SuperEngineer> *data
[19:15] <ali1234> diddledan: now wp-cron is broken
[19:15] <diddledan> grr
[19:15] <ali1234> site a: http://dev.drumoff.tv : cron works okay
[19:15] <ali1234> site b: http://drumoff.tv : cron does not work, identical database and source code
[19:16] <ali1234> tested with wp-cli... stracing it reveals that site a: opens a connection to itself, site b is trying to resolve "drumoff.tv.co.uk"
[19:16] <ali1234> this times out, blocking wp-cron
[19:16] <diddledan> eww
[19:16] <ali1234> "drumoff.tv.co.uk" does not appear anywhere in the source code or database
[19:16] <diddledan> somethings wrong with the dns lookup
[19:17] <ali1234> yeah, looks that way
[19:17] <ali1234> i don't understand why it is looking up that name though
[19:18] <shauno> can you try just sticking an extra . at the end of the hostname?
[19:18] <ali1234> how?
[19:18] <shauno> eg, http://drumoff.tv./
[19:18] <ali1234> well... it works?
[19:19] <shauno> that should make a hostname canonical so nothing tries to expand it into the searchdomain
[19:19] <ali1234> wp-cron still doesn't work though
[19:19] <ali1234> it is getting the hostname from somewhere else... i don't know where
[19:19] <diddledan> dns
[19:19] <diddledan> e.g. /etc/resolv.conf
[19:19] <ali1234> no, it's looking it up on dns
[19:19] <ali1234> that is what doesn't work
[19:21] <shauno> it sounds like something doesn't realise .tv is a tld.  so it's trying to match it into the searchdomain.  which can be screwy on a lot of configs.  (eg, if your /etc/resolv.conf has "search co.uk", which isn't unusual if it's automatically generated on a host named foo.co.uk)
[19:21] <ali1234> so why does it work fine with dev.drumoff.tv?
[19:21] <diddledan> two .s
[19:21] <shauno> no idea :)
[19:22] <diddledan> try www.drumoff.tv
[19:22] <ali1234> why is it even doing a dns lookup on itself anyway?
[19:23] <shauno> (it's easy to test if it's searchdomain gone wild.  change "search co.uk" to "search foo.co.uk" and see if it starts trying to resolve drumoff.tv.foo.co.uk)
[19:23] <ali1234> good idea
[19:23] <ali1234> i don't have any "search" lines in resolv.conf
[19:25] <ali1234> immediately before doing a lookup on drumoff.tv.co.uk it does a lookup on drumoff.tv which succeeds
[19:26] <shauno> odd.  resolvconf adds them on mine.  and drives me nuts because it gets it wrong
[19:27] <ali1234> this server has been messed about by hetzner... so yeah
[19:44] <ali1234> okay, the error is coming from curl
[19:47] <shauno> offtopic - dell charger, HP laptop - it appears to mechnically fit, do I dare?
[20:15] <ali1234> shauno: you were right with adding the .
[20:15] <ali1234> curl http://drumoff.tv <- hangs for ages doing the lookup
[20:15] <ali1234> with the extra . it doesn't
[20:16] <shauno> interesting.  but jsut "host drumoff.tv" doesn't ?
[20:17] <ali1234> nope, that's instant
[20:17] <ali1234> wget also hangs
[20:17] <ali1234> other hostnames attached to this machine don't hang either
[20:19] <shauno> curiously, perfectly zippy here (debian 7.6 on a hetzner box)
[20:19] <ali1234> other programs like ssh and telnet also hang trying to resolve drumoff.tv.co.uk
[20:19] <shauno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8302966/
[20:19] <ali1234> so it is definitely some weird search domain thing
[20:22] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8302978/ this doesn't do it
[20:22] <ali1234> is this some weird ipv6 thing?
[20:23] <shauno> you can try that with curl, curl -4 and curl -6
[20:23] <ali1234> curl -4 works fine
[20:23] <ali1234> curl -6 = haaaaang
[20:24] <ali1234> drumoff.tv doesn't resolve for ipv6
[20:24] <shauno> hm.  I'm not sure what that tells us, other than we might be barking up the right tree  (it shouldn't hang, it should nxdomain or something)
[20:24] <ali1234> host -6 also hangs
[20:25] <ali1234> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[20:25] <ali1234> this machine doesn't have an ipv6 connection set up... it can do, but we never turned it on in the control panel
[20:27] <shauno> does it have any v6 nameservers defined?
[20:27] <ali1234> how do i find out?
[20:27] <shauno> in resolv.conf as usual (eg, mine's http://paste.ubuntu.com/8303004/ )
[20:27] <ali1234> no. mine is same except without the ipv6 ones
[20:28] <shauno> hm.  perhaps we're not up the right tree then.  -6 would naturally fail on both of those because it's not usable
[20:28] <ali1234> yes, but curl -6 also does that weird .co.uk thing
[20:28] <ali1234> curl -4 does not
[20:29] <ali1234> on my local machine curl -6 fails instantly
[20:29] <shauno> hm.  I don't have anything that doesn't have v6 to compare
[20:31] <shauno> I don't supose there's anything in route -6 ?
[20:32] <shauno> (other than lines pointing to lo)
[20:32] <ali1234> loads of things...
[20:32] <shauno> to eth0?
[20:32] <ali1234> it looks like link-local addresses to eth0, yes
[20:32] <ali1234> fe80 addresses
[20:33] <shauno> any with an address in next-hop?  (hetzner are weird, and use LL addresses for the router)
[20:34] <ali1234> yes
[20:35] <ali1234> ::/0 fe80::1 etho
[20:35] <shauno> I'm suspecting that really shouldn't be there.  an outbound route for v6 makes no sense if you don't have v6
[20:35] <ali1234> well, maybe we do? i don't understand it
[20:36] <diddledan> what does `ifconfig eth0` say?
[20:36] <shauno> ifconfig's nice and easy for that.  if you have any address starting fe80, ipv6 is enabled.  if you have any address starting 2, you've got a public address assigned
[20:36] <ali1234> inet6 addr: fe80::5246:5dff:fe4d:20ac/64 Scope:Link
[20:37] <shauno> I'm honestly not sure if you should have a default route without a non-local address though.  it means you can send traffic off the local link, but no-one can return it
[20:37] <ali1234> yeah it seems pretty messed up
[20:38] <shauno> it's a single line in /etc/network/interfaces if you want to experiment with it (just gateway fe80::1)
[20:38] <shauno> but I'll admit I'm guessing at oddities at this point
[20:38] <ali1234> i don't have access to the oob admin console if i mess it up...
[20:39] <ali1234> there is no ipv6 stuff in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:40] <shauno> huh.  where the hell is it getting that from then
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> autoconf?
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> SLAAC
[20:40] <shauno> I'd assume slaac would have given him an address
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> yes
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> and link-local addresses are automagic
[20:40] <shauno> (and shouldn't give him fe80::1 as a gateway.  that's something very weird that hetzner do)
[20:44] <shauno> but I am totally thrown at having a default route without an address.
[20:58] <ali1234> should i just enable ipv6 properly?
[21:03] <shauno> well if v6 works it shouldn't hang
[21:04] <shauno> but if it doesn't work, it shouldn't hang either!
[21:45] <ali1234> shauno: i'm trying to delete that ipv6 route with: route -6 del ::/0 gw fe80::1
[21:45] <ali1234> and i get SIOCDELRT: No such process
[21:50] <ali1234> okay, deleted the route, still hanging at name resolution with curl
[21:55] <shauno> see that I don't get. it should fail just as fast as it does at home
[22:27] <popey> http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/9/6128759/microsoft-said-to-be-buying-the-maker-of-minecraft-for-2-billion
[22:27] <popey> golly
[22:28] <shauno> yyyyeah I think 'golly' pretty much sums that one up
[22:48] <Azelphur> just looking at the apple watch
[22:48] <Azelphur> is it just me or does the default watchface look really ugly? round watchface on a square watch? o.O
[22:52] <daftykins> can't believe this is on apple.com - https://www.dropbox.com/s/xa9ft88mpx1r30a/applewatch.JPG?dl=0
[22:53] <Azelphur> daftykins: haha
[22:53] <Azelphur> daftykins: that said, Apple maps seems to have strangely one upped Google maps (I never thought I'd say that)
[22:54] <Azelphur> the navigation on Android wear is so shit it's actually useless.
[22:55] <Azelphur> it looks like they've carbon cloned Google Now, inb4 everyone saying Apple invented it
[22:56] <shauno> eh, you say cloned, we say perfected :)
[23:00] <Azelphur> lol
[23:07] <sn0> i wonder how long the rotary dial will last on the iwatch
[23:07] <daftykins> 10 spins :D
[23:08] <Azelphur> and I love how they have a long winded funny explanation for...an optical wheel
[23:09] <shauno> heh, yes . everyone's complaining they're calling it a crown.  which is the proper term for that part of a watch :/
[23:10] <shauno> although in the videos they use exactly the same phrase so many times it starts sounding alien
[23:11] <shauno> personally, I like the arms race.  perhaps the navigation on android wear will start improving now that they have something to measure it against
[23:11] <Azelphur> and to be honest, you have a touch screen right there which is a much larger scrolly area
[23:11] <Azelphur> although I like the idea of a physical home button.
[23:11] <shauno> we all take sides, but we actually do better if neither wins
[23:11] <Azelphur> shauno: agree, arms race is good :)
[23:11] <Azelphur> and yea, I was thinking the same thing, perhaps google will finally make nav on android wear not suck.
[23:11] <shauno> I gather the idea is that when the screen is the size of your thumb, there's times you want to interact and still be able to see anything
[23:12]  * Azelphur shrugs
[23:12] <shauno> besides.  it makes it look like a watch
[23:12] <Azelphur> the other thing I've had as a problem with Android wear is it seems to have this obsession with one button per screen, and you have to swipe to switch between buttons
[23:12] <shauno> without that one detail, it'd just look like a really, really small iphone
[23:13] <Azelphur> yes, it's a small screen, no, you don't need one button to take up the entire screen, you can quite happily fit 4 or so per page.