| Deo | Hello, guys. | 02:34 |
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| Deo | I am in some need of some serious help. | 02:34 |
| Deo | Anyone? | 02:35 |
| Deo | I'm having issues installing google chrome on Ubuntu. | 02:35 |
| Deo | ANYONE?! | 02:37 |
| Deo | Hello? | 02:39 |
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| Deo | HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 02:53 |
| mzanetti | moin moin | 07:50 |
| Saviq | eo | 08:00 |
| mzanetti | are there still promoted images? the last update on my dogfooding device came in on the 29th of august | 08:01 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, what device/channel? | 08:02 |
| mzanetti | mako, ubuntu-touch/utopic | 08:02 |
| seb128 | yeah, that's right | 08:03 |
| seb128 | the google doc says the most recent promotion on utopic is #203 and it's almost 3 weeks old | 08:03 |
| mzanetti | yeah... that's why I asked if we gave up on those and only focus on the RTM branches for now | 08:04 |
| mzanetti | basically if I should switch the dogfooding device over to the other channel | 08:04 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, no, we just need to get our shit together and promote something ;) | 08:08 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: did you then resubmit this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity/new-key-in-launcher-schema/+merge/232199 | 08:11 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, no | 08:11 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, see my comment | 08:12 |
| mzanetti | replied | 08:13 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: ^ | 08:13 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, still, we need defaults in the schema, even if we do an override | 08:13 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, why wouldn't we have defaults for the desktop | 08:13 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, think unity8 desktop session | 08:14 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: so what should I put in there? | 08:14 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, the same set we have in the override now | 08:14 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, even more maybe, now that we can do clicks | 08:14 |
| mzanetti | the override has clicks too | 08:14 |
| Saviq | does it? | 08:14 |
| mzanetti | yes | 08:14 |
| Saviq | doubt it | 08:14 |
| Saviq | we didn't support click updates | 08:14 |
| mzanetti | the defaults are not related to upgrades :) | 08:15 |
| Saviq | ok maybe that got fixed in the mean time | 08:15 |
| Saviq | meaning that we did not lose icons on upgrades any more | 08:15 |
| Saviq | but we did have camera and gallery there before | 08:16 |
| mzanetti | yep | 08:16 |
| Saviq | and removed them because they got broken on updates | 08:16 |
| mzanetti | ah... ok. didn't know we removed them | 08:16 |
| Saviq | yeah, we only have non-clicks on launcher now | 08:16 |
| Saviq | with your launcher rework, we're able to have clicks again, icons will get refreshed, right? | 08:17 |
| mzanetti | yes | 08:17 |
| Saviq | ok we need to find out what we want on the launcher then, can you talk to Vesa? | 08:17 |
| mzanetti | ok | 08:17 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, *and*, even if we wanted override, do you have a branch that moves the override to the new key? | 08:18 |
| Saviq | not that we need the override any more | 08:18 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: well, I keep on reading the "favorites" key if the "items" key is empty | 08:18 |
| mzanetti | so yes, we could drop the override | 08:18 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, I don't think that's necessary (to read favorites) | 08:19 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: works fine as an upgrade path from unity7 to unity8 though | 08:19 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, yeah, *if* you leave the items empty | 08:19 |
| mzanetti | huh? | 08:19 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, that would be a reply to my "why don't we have any defaults" question | 08:20 |
| mzanetti | ah, yes... if I put defaults in there it won't be empty | 08:20 |
| mzanetti | hmm... good point. | 08:20 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, also, application:///, not application:// | 08:20 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, I commented before | 08:21 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, the problem there is that we can't use the favorites override to include appid:// entries can we | 08:21 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, meaning we still can't have clicks there | 08:22 |
| Saviq | meaning the upgrade path is a bit brokened :| | 08:22 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: yes, sure we can | 08:22 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, well, except you'll get the new default set in your unity7 if you did not change anything | 08:23 |
| Saviq | so you install the override and your unity7 launcher goes haywire | 08:23 |
| mzanetti | unity7 will just drop them | 08:23 |
| Saviq | yeah, but it won't have firefox or anything either | 08:23 |
| mzanetti | yes, if you launch unity7 on a unity8 config it'll drop clicks. but keep the rest | 08:23 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, no, what I mean is: | 08:24 |
| Saviq | "the rest" is not useful in unity7 | 08:24 |
| mzanetti | why no? | 08:24 |
| Saviq | because it's phone, contacts, messages, settings, webbrowser | 08:24 |
| mzanetti | yeah well. | 08:24 |
| mzanetti | on the desktop you won't have that override installed | 08:24 |
| mzanetti | and I expect contacts to become useful on the desktop | 08:25 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, yeah, and that means your launcher is useless in your unity8 desktop session ;) | 08:25 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, TBH I don't think it's worth it | 08:25 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: the whole uity8 desktop session is useless | 08:25 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: we don't have an applicationmanager | 08:25 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, of course we do | 08:25 |
| mzanetti | in which case why would launching systemsettings be useless? | 08:26 |
| mzanetti | I don't get the problem | 08:26 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, I'm not talking unity8 on X11, but unity8 on Mir | 08:26 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, the problem is the two launcher configs are not compatible | 08:26 |
| mzanetti | that's why we created the new key | 08:26 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, yes, and my point is | 08:26 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, that we should not transition them | 08:26 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, not by way of the other key | 08:27 |
| mzanetti | well... just tell me what to do then | 08:27 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, just use items | 08:27 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, don't read favorites, put the defaults for items in the schema, we can then drop the override | 08:27 |
| mzanetti | ok | 08:27 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, we can have a task that will do a single-time copy of favorites (if non-default) to items | 08:28 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, but again, I don't think it's worth it at this point | 08:28 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: what is the reason of the 3 slashes? | 08:28 |
| mzanetti | unity7 used 2 slashes only | 08:29 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, uppercase | 08:29 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, QUrl lowercases the hostname part | 08:29 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, which is actually correct | 08:29 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, so apps with differently cased .desktop files didn't work | 08:29 |
| mzanetti | hah... interesting | 08:29 |
| mzanetti | seb128: could you remind me where I can find the phone overrides for the launcher dconf keys? | 08:33 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, I don't think we have phone overrides? | 08:33 |
| mzanetti | we do... quite sure about that | 08:33 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, we have https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas | 08:33 |
| seb128 | but those are schemas/defaults | 08:34 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, ubuntu-touch-settings: /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_ubuntu-touch-settings.gschema.override | 08:34 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, so right, in ubuntu-settings | 08:35 |
| mzanetti | seb128: thanks! | 08:35 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, yw! | 08:35 |
| mzanetti | :) | 08:35 |
| Cimi | Saviq, are we merging the big silo soon? | 09:01 |
| Saviq | Cimi, it's blocked in proposed, currently trying to resolve this, but yes, it's almost there | 09:03 |
| Cimi | Saviq, I would like to test flickable right speed on top of it | 09:04 |
| Cimi | Saviq, I did some extra testing last night, and discovered few things | 09:05 |
| mzanetti | seb128: seems I can't push to ubuntu-settings. would you mind dropping the launcher overrides in there for me? | 09:06 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, can't you mp your change? | 09:06 |
| mzanetti | hmm... maybe if I push to some +junk branch first | 09:07 |
| * mzanetti tries | 09:07 | |
| seb128 | oh | 09:07 |
| mzanetti | hmm.. no | 09:08 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, don't bother, I though it had a proper vcs | 09:08 |
| mzanetti | the "Propose for merging is missing" | 09:08 |
| mzanetti | the "Propose for merging" is missing | 09:08 |
| seb128 | yeah | 09:08 |
| seb128 | it's hosted on a +junk vcs | 09:08 |
| Cimi | Saviq, like the initial flick velocity is probably calculated wrong inside qt | 09:08 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, what's the rational to drop the launcher config? | 09:08 |
| Saviq | Cimi, lp:~ps-jenkins/unity8/ubuntu-utopic-proposed | 09:09 |
| Cimi | Saviq, in any case I think the "1500" and "2500" (for deceleration and velocity) are not good default values ANYWAY, even scaled | 09:09 |
| mzanetti | seb128: the dconf + accounts service mix gave us a headache all the time, so we reworked that code bit. Now only using dconf, we added a new key for unity8 called "items" instead of "favorites" | 09:09 |
| Saviq | Cimi, that's what's in proposed now | 09:09 |
| mzanetti | seb128: where we'll add the defaults just in there instead of an override | 09:09 |
| Cimi | Saviq, dziekuje | 09:09 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, did that land in utopic yet? | 09:09 |
| Cimi | Saviq, so I think I will use a higher default value for now, and scale it | 09:10 |
| mzanetti | seb128: nope. I would put your branch into the same silo with the others | 09:10 |
| Cimi | Saviq, also inside ScopeOverviewFavourite | 09:10 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, that's not going to be a branch but a source upload, but those changes don't need to be synced do they? | 09:10 |
| Cimi | Saviq, why are we not using a Row but we're calculating each x of the repeater? | 09:10 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, you can land your change and then I can do an upload to drop the override later | 09:11 |
| Cimi | tried with Row, works fine | 09:11 |
| mzanetti | seb128: no, they don't really need to. we just need to make sure my changes are first | 09:11 |
| seb128 | right | 09:11 |
| mzanetti | seb128: ok. I'll ping you again about it when my stuff has landed | 09:11 |
| seb128 | mzanetti, thanks | 09:11 |
| Saviq | Cimi, most probably because of transitions | 09:12 |
| Saviq | Cimi, but you'd have to talk to Albert | 09:12 |
| Cimi | Saviq, ok | 09:13 |
| Cimi | Saviq, tags | 09:39 |
| Cimi | 0.1.16 loves u | 09:39 |
| Saviq | Cimi, I can't do anything until it gets into trunk | 09:40 |
| Cimi | ok | 09:40 |
| seb128 | Saviq, oh, you mentioned tags yesterday, just remembering that ... what's the issue with those? | 09:40 |
| Saviq | seb128, I pulled settings, there's like a hundred of ? tags | 09:40 |
| seb128 | Saviq, could be, I don't usually look at those so I probably just never noticed | 09:41 |
| Saviq | seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8298371/ | 09:41 |
| seb128 | Saviq, does it create any practical issue? | 09:41 |
| seb128 | do you know where they are coming from? | 09:41 |
| Saviq | seb128, they look citrain-y, but must've come from some other project | 09:41 |
| Saviq | seb128, some bad merge or so | 09:42 |
| seb128 | k | 09:42 |
| Saviq | seb128, maybe the ubuntu branch? | 09:42 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: FYI. had a chat with Vesa. He thinks its not good to have gmail, facebook etc in there anyways and we should keep the current list of defaults. | 09:48 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, well... what about gallery, camera? | 09:48 |
| Saviq | they were there before | 09:48 |
| Saviq | sure we shouldn't have gmail or facebook | 09:48 |
| dednick | Saviq: howdy. remember talking about the lag opening the indicator panel? | 09:48 |
| Saviq | dednick, hey, welcome back, hit me | 09:49 |
| dednick | Saviq: thanks :) | 09:49 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, anyway, if they're good with the current default set, fine by me | 09:49 |
| dednick | Saviq: it's because the models for the menus are synchornous. | 09:49 |
| Saviq | dednick, yeah just read your reply | 09:49 |
| dednick | Saviq: but making them async creates the problem where we open the menus and nothing is there | 09:49 |
| dednick | for a second or so.. | 09:49 |
| dednick | Saviq: right. | 09:50 |
| Saviq | dednick, sooo... why does it takes so long to sync? unitymenumodel slow? it's not like there's a huge amount of data | 09:50 |
| dednick | Saviq: i was wondering if it would create "that" much effect not disconnecting from the models | 09:50 |
| dednick | Saviq: no, it's actually not the models. the models run all the time | 09:50 |
| Saviq | dednick, ah so just the delegates? | 09:50 |
| dednick | Saviq: it's actually the listviews adding the delegates | 09:50 |
| Saviq | dednick, ouch, sounds excessive indeed | 09:51 |
| Saviq | dednick, but well, should be easy to check what's the impact memory-wise | 09:51 |
| Saviq | dednick, we sure need to set them invisible, but we might be able to keep them around inded | 09:51 |
| Saviq | +e | 09:51 |
| dednick | Saviq: ya, we can probably just set the entire panel menu to invisible | 09:52 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: camera and gallery are there | 09:57 |
| mzanetti | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8298483/ | 09:58 |
| Cimi | Saviq, can you pls repeat how to sbuild armhf? I tried sbuild -d utopic-amd64-armhf-shm but it build amd64 debs | 10:03 |
| Saviq | Cimi, bug #1353855 | 10:04 |
| ubot5 | bug 1353855 in Mir "Explicit g++ 4.9 dependency breaks cross-building" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353855 | 10:04 |
| Saviq | Cimi, and sbuild --help | 10:04 |
| Saviq | Cimi, -d is *distribution* | 10:06 |
| Cimi | Saviq, yes saw that | 10:06 |
| Cimi | using -c | 10:06 |
| Saviq | Cimi, you want -c for *chroot*, and you need to pass --host=armhf, otherwise it'll build amd64 | 10:06 |
| Saviq | Cimi, how's it supposed to know what arch to build otherwise | 10:06 |
| Cimi | ah damn | 10:06 |
| Cimi | so what is the command? | 10:06 |
| Saviq | -c utopic-amd64-armhf-shm --host=armhf | 10:07 |
| Cimi | Saviq, wonderful, thanks | 10:07 |
| Saviq | Cimi, but you need to drop the 4.9 dependency, otherwise it'll fail to install build deps | 10:07 |
| Cimi | Saviq, where do I drop it? unity8? | 10:08 |
| Saviq | Cimi, in whatever you're building | 10:08 |
| Cimi | ok | 10:08 |
| Saviq | Cimi, just read, please | 10:08 |
| Cimi | Saviq, it doesn't explain which pkg I have to replace, so I just change -4.9 to 4.9 or just g++ ? | 10:09 |
| Saviq | Cimi, drop it altogether | 10:10 |
| Cimi | dednick, we don't want async then | 10:12 |
| Cimi | https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/indicator-polishing/+merge/228700 | 10:12 |
| Cimi | dednick, all indicators are async, not only message | 10:12 |
| dednick | Cimi: it's too laggy when opening if we dont | 10:12 |
| Cimi | dednick, well, we need to figure out a solution | 10:12 |
| dednick | Cimi: yeah, i'm trying to now. | 10:12 |
| Saviq | Trevinho, do you know about a bug that apps scope doesn't notice newly installed apps? | 10:15 |
| Cimi | Saviq, did the proposed branch have albert branch to cache more stuff? | 10:31 |
| Saviq | Cimi, no, see silo | 10:31 |
| Cimi | Saviq, ok | 10:31 |
| Cimi | Saviq, ok so, the reason why the horizontal swipe is slower than the vertical one, is just that our finger moves quickly in a shorter space than the vertical swipe | 10:33 |
| Cimi | maybe not entirely though, carousel is still so fast | 10:33 |
| Cimi | actually carousel speed is tweaked further if I remember | 10:34 |
| Saviq | it is | 10:34 |
| facundobatista | Holas | 10:38 |
| dednick | Saviq: so, the indicators when not loaded with messages or transfers takes up about 1-2MB. with a 3 completed transfers and 10 messages it was about an additional 5MB | 10:52 |
| Saviq | dednick, right, so as long as we use ListViews there, we should be fine | 10:53 |
| Saviq | so as not to create 100 messages in case someone has that many | 10:53 |
| Saviq | dednick, sure it'd be better if we could create the delegates dynamically, but it'd have to be much faster | 10:54 |
| Saviq | dednick_, what did you see last? | 10:56 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: <Saviq> so as not to create 100 messages in case someone has that many | 10:57 |
| Saviq | <Saviq> dednick, sure it'd be better if we could create the delegates dynamically, but it'd have to be much faster | 10:57 |
| Saviq | for now I think we're fine with not unloading them | 10:57 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: ya. perhaps the limitation should be on the backend | 10:57 |
| Saviq | dednick_, backend doesn't know much about the UI though | 10:57 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: in fact there may already be one. | 10:58 |
| Saviq | we're going that direction in the dash as well (keeping more in mem) | 10:58 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: meh. hard to limit on frontend since they're all the same. | 10:58 |
| dednick_ | i mean indicators are all the same, so hard to say max of x menu items | 10:58 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: but then this is all going to be changing again anyway right... :) | 10:59 |
| Saviq | dednick_, exactly, and different delegates, different sizes etc. | 10:59 |
| dednick_ | :(!! | 10:59 |
| Saviq | dednick_, what I meant is that a ListView with cacheBuffer: 2*height or something should allow us to keep memory usage low while improving the UX a lot | 10:59 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: backend limits age, so it should limit number as well | 11:00 |
| Saviq | dednick_, yeah, but we can't rely on that, we need to make sure in UI that stuff works still | 11:00 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: right | 11:00 |
| Saviq | dednick_, so let's go for that | 11:00 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: yeah, i was looking at that cachebuffer thing. | 11:00 |
| Saviq | dednick_, items in cachebuffer have the important property of being created asynchronously | 11:01 |
| Saviq | dednick_, so if you're not scrolling too fast, things should be smooth | 11:01 |
| Saviq | dednick_, you might even change the cacheBuffer on indicator open | 11:02 |
| Saviq | dednick_, so that we don't hold them in mem all the time, but create them async on indicator open, so that we have a buffer out of view | 11:02 |
| Saviq | dednick_, one important thing though - the ListView is anchored to the bottom isn't it? kinda means stuff is destroyed as you close and recreated on open anyway | 11:03 |
| Saviq | because as you drag the panel down, its height grows | 11:03 |
| Saviq | but maybe that's fine, as long as we have some cacheBuffer and the experience is good | 11:03 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: ok, well i'll give it a go | 11:04 |
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| Trevinho | Saviq: mh, not that I recall... It used to work. Maybe sometimes it take some time... | 11:09 |
| Saviq | Trevinho, I installed chrome when I pung you, still not there | 11:10 |
| Trevinho | Saviq: mh, ok killing the scope fixed it? | 11:11 |
| Saviq | Trevinho, yes | 11:11 |
| Saviq | /food | 11:12 |
| Trevinho | mh, wondering if some caching caused that... I'll check that, mh3 would have been more helpful here :/, but I'll look | 11:12 |
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| Saviq | pete-woods, if you want, I got a script for syncing bug statuses between project and ubuntu package | 11:23 |
| Saviq | and creating a Ubuntu task where applicable | 11:23 |
| pete-woods | Saviq: thanks. I just disabled bug reports on the upstream project like was mentioned in that bug :) | 11:23 |
| pete-woods | apparently that's our policy now | 11:24 |
| Saviq | pete-woods, yeah, but you still have bugs that are only against libusermetrics | 11:24 |
| pete-woods | oh, I thought I moved them | 11:24 |
| Saviq | pete-woods, ah well, maybe you have enough bugs that you did it manually is all :D | 11:24 |
| pete-woods | there were only about 10 bugs | 11:24 |
| Saviq | pete-woods, yeah ;) | 11:24 |
| Saviq | pete-woods, so yeah, you're good | 11:25 |
| pete-woods | (no-one knows the project exists, ssssh ;) ) | 11:25 |
| * Saviq still was unable to un-affect all the unity8 bugs, apparently not possible via the API :| | 11:25 | |
| pete-woods | that's a shame | 11:25 |
| pete-woods | I'd kinda expect LP to have a bulk-edit feature in the UI | 11:25 |
| pete-woods | like other tools I've used in the past | 11:25 |
| Saviq | they do, the API ;P | 11:27 |
| Cimi | dandrader, try time make -B -j15 and time make -B -j8, the latter is faster to me | 11:34 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: it's pretty jerky with the cacheBuffer lowered | 11:38 |
| dandrader | Cimi, "real" and "user" are faster but "sys" is slower. Whatever that means. But yeah, seems to be a bit faster | 11:42 |
| dandrader | Cimi, got another small one, if you have some spare minutes: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/buildWithoutWarnings/+merge/233736 | 11:50 |
| Cimi | dandrader, I have spare time | 11:51 |
| Cimi | currently just testing flickable speeds | 11:51 |
| Cimi | "just" | 11:51 |
| Cimi | is experimenting | 11:51 |
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| Saviq | dednick_, in what case? | 12:00 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: scolling messages. esspecially if you drag over bounds. it gets a bit screwed up. i think the item heights are changing. | 12:00 |
| Saviq | dednick_, that's weird | 12:01 |
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| dednick_ | Saviq: not really when you think about it. http://paste.ubuntu.com/8299420/ | 12:20 |
| dednick_ | i meant that the items height's were changing on purpose. | 12:20 |
| Saviq | dednick_, just make the Loader height: 40 | 12:20 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: Component.onCompleted: height = 60 | 12:21 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: need the loader height to follow the item height | 12:21 |
| Saviq | dednick_, right | 12:21 |
| Saviq | dednick_, yeah, ListView and changing heights isn't too great indeed | 12:22 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: ya. the height should probably expand up if the item is above :/ | 12:22 |
| dednick_ | bit of a pain | 12:23 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: even weirder that it doesn't happen if you use boundsBehavior: Flickable.StopAtBounds | 12:33 |
| Saviq | dednick_, not really | 12:33 |
| Saviq | dednick_, well, when you overshoot | 12:33 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: i guess when you flick over it's removing more items then readding when it comes back into view | 12:34 |
| Saviq | dednick_, things get recreated | 12:34 |
| Saviq | dednick_, yeah, that's really a bug in ListView, it should never take overshooting into account | 12:34 |
| Saviq | because that's just wasting CPU | 12:34 |
| Saviq | and some other things | 12:34 |
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| dednick_ | Saviq: i raised a bug with qt about that issue. I think i'll just turn off the flickable overshoot until that gets fixed and mark it as fixme ? | 12:53 |
| Saviq | dednick_, if that's the only problem, yeah | 12:54 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: meh. it's still a bit jerky just scrolling around | 12:54 |
| Saviq | dednick_, well, but it's rarely going to be the case anyway, when people have dozens of messages? | 12:55 |
| Saviq | or transfers? | 12:55 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: ya | 12:55 |
| Cimi | sometimes restarting unity8 I have this error terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<mir::AbnormalExit> >' what(): Exiting Mir! Reason: Nested Mir and Host Mir cannot use the same socket file to accept connections! | 12:56 |
| Saviq | Cimi, environment got screwed | 12:57 |
| Saviq | Cimi, it's trying to connect to and listen on the same socket | 12:57 |
| Cimi | Saviq, yes indeed | 12:58 |
| Cimi | Saviq, I was having the same issue when the wizard had issues with the upstart job | 12:58 |
| Cimi | Saviq, but all I am doing is restart unity8 as phablet | 12:58 |
| Cimi | and not the first time happens | 12:58 |
| Saviq | Cimi, yeah, we need to look at our upstart job, something wonky must be happening on restart | 12:59 |
| Cimi | btw I replaced the flickable with both repeater and listview insode scope favorites, still performance is not comparable to cardHorizontalList | 13:01 |
| Cimi | I don't know what exactly is happening here, but is not right | 13:01 |
| Saviq | dandrader, mzanetti found a reliable way to reproduce the mouse input issue (in the dash, not in shell) | 13:11 |
| Saviq | dandrader, I imagine your qtmir fix fixed it for the shell, but then the apps can still get into that state can they not? | 13:12 |
| mzanetti | dandrader: hi. yeah, the one I told you last week. I also wrote it to the bug report now | 13:12 |
| Saviq | dandrader, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1295623/comments/20 | 13:12 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1295623 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Sometimes input breaks and only edges are responsive" [Critical,In progress] | 13:12 |
| dandrader | Saviq, likely. racarr is also working on the mir side of the problem | 13:12 |
| dandrader | if I'm not mistaken, he found out that android-input, or the evedev input device, was ending touches in a weird way. At least on krillin | 13:14 |
| Saviq | dednick_, so... on another topic, we have bug #1365530 again | 13:14 |
| ubot5 | bug 1365530 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Time in indicator out of sync on resume from suspend" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365530 | 13:14 |
| Saviq | dandrader, yeah, prolly related to the buttons | 13:14 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: happy days | 13:15 |
| dednick_ | Saviq: or is that where it doesnt update for a little bit? | 13:15 |
| Saviq | dednick_, no, it will be many minutes behind until the next update comes | 13:15 |
| Saviq | dednick_, yeah, I think another symptom is that the blue LED lights up only after you turn the screen on (I expect the LED thingy in unity8 doesn't get the icon update) | 13:16 |
| dednick_ | meh | 13:16 |
| dednick_ | stupid model cache | 13:17 |
| greyback_ | mterry: hey, would you know of a nice way for me to bring up a device replacing USC with a custom mir server? Is usc hardcoded into lightdm? | 13:31 |
| Saviq | greyback_, there's a usc-wrapper for our session | 13:33 |
| Saviq | greyback_, check out dpkg -L ubuntu-touch-session | 13:33 |
| greyback_ | Saviq: ah there it is. Thanks! | 13:34 |
| mterry | greyback_, you can change the command lightdm uses, hold on | 13:35 |
| mterry | greyback_, look at how /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/52-ubuntu-touch.conf does it | 13:35 |
| greyback_ | /usr/share/ubuntu-touch-session/usc-wrapper <- that's it I guess | 13:35 |
| mterry | greyback_, sure you can edit that directly | 13:35 |
| Cimi | Saviq, are we moving towards just bugs in the package? | 13:35 |
| greyback_ | yep that file calls the wrapper | 13:35 |
| mterry | greyback_, didn't know how hacky you wanted :) | 13:35 |
| Saviq | Cimi, we're not moving, we're there | 13:36 |
| greyback_ | mterry: just for my testing, nothing more. thanks :) | 13:36 |
| Cimi | Saviq, just seeing you removing unity8 from bugs | 13:36 |
| Saviq | Cimi, yeah, project bugs were turned off last week already, I just didn't know how to batch-remove the tasks | 13:37 |
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| Cimi | so there seems to be two different issues for our weird flicking | 14:38 |
| Cimi | 1st there is input lag between the touch event and the activity on screen | 14:39 |
| Cimi | this is probably mir related | 14:40 |
| Cimi | 2nd qt flick detection seems to be bugged, swipes are not consistent, sometimes goes fast sometimes everything stops or moves slowly | 14:40 |
| Cimi | this could be both a problem in qt and/or mir not sending all touch events (or delaying them) | 14:41 |
| Cimi | greyback_, dandrader Saviq ^ | 14:41 |
| Saviq | Cimi, there's a branch for the input lag | 14:42 |
| Saviq | Cimi, | 14:42 |
| Cimi | great, I can try that to see what changes for issue 2 | 14:42 |
| Saviq | https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/butter/+merge/230767 | 14:42 |
| Saviq | Cimi, it should be in a ppa I think | 14:43 |
| Cimi | Saviq, mir devel? | 14:43 |
| Saviq | Cimi, https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/ubuntu/staging | 14:43 |
| Saviq | it's missing qtmir though, and has unity-mir which could be dropped | 14:44 |
| Saviq | camako, is ↑↑ the PPA for Mir devel? | 14:44 |
| camako | Saviq, yes | 14:45 |
| Cimi | Saviq, I am pretty sure problem 2 has still some origins inside qt as well, because while I don't have 1st in desktop under X, I have sometimes a weird flick on desktop too | 14:45 |
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| Saviq | Cimi, not impossible | 14:45 |
| Cimi | Saviq, and explains the recent patches we saw regarding my qt bug | 14:46 |
| Saviq | camako, you can probably drop qtmir from there, but you should add qtmir/devel-mir-next there probably | 14:46 |
| Saviq | Cimi, the patches only dealt with the initial threshold AFAICT | 14:46 |
| camako | Saviq, yea we haven't fixed it after the unity-mir qtmir switch | 14:46 |
| Saviq | eerm I meant drop unity-mir | 14:47 |
| Cimi | Saviq, indeed, with small/fast swipes the visual flick seems badly calculated | 14:47 |
| Cimi | Saviq, if you do a long swipe, the flick appears natural | 14:47 |
| Cimi | Saviq, if you start swiping like crazy, and fast, the flick gets stupid | 14:48 |
| Saviq | Cimi, yeah, but I don't think the patches would help, they're just about about the initial threshold before a flick even happens | 14:48 |
| Cimi | Saviq, on android I can flick like crazy and it does not mess up the current flick | 14:48 |
| Cimi | Saviq, here it feels like some detections are wrong | 14:49 |
| Cimi | dednick_, on your indicators polishing, is it possible to keep the models always updated, and just hide the UI with loaders? | 14:49 |
| Cimi | dednick_, what is the reason for the delay? | 14:49 |
| dednick_ | Cimi: yes, well that's the way we decided earlier | 14:50 |
| dednick_ | Cimi: because they take memory | 14:50 |
| Cimi | dednick_, but seeing the indicator message green, opening the menu and finding it empty is even worse | 14:51 |
| anpok | hm i thought butter already landed? | 14:51 |
| Cimi | dednick_, maybe we can add some condition to the loading, loading when there is new content? | 14:51 |
| Cimi | dednick_, also, what take up memory, the indicators model or the UI? | 14:52 |
| camako | anpok, it did... in 0.7.0 | 14:53 |
| Saviq | Cimi, ↑ ok so nothing new in Mir devel, the input delay should be better with Mir 0.7.0 already | 14:57 |
| Saviq | Cimi, but it's a hw issue to some extent | 14:58 |
| Cimi | Saviq, I know, but not that bad | 14:59 |
| Saviq | Cimi, you'd be surprised ;) | 14:59 |
| Saviq | Cimi, some time ago we installed a multi-touch painting app on manta just to check what to expect, it was really bad | 15:00 |
| Saviq | on android, that is | 15:00 |
| Cimi | Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/+junk/multitouchtest | 15:01 |
| Cimi | hah | 15:01 |
| greyback_ | Saviq: am sure you're busy, but did you ever get change to take a peek at lp:~gerboland/unity8/dbus-async just to see if you approve of where I put the shared library? | 15:02 |
| Cimi | old stuff | 15:02 |
| Saviq | greyback_, I even replied :) | 15:02 |
| greyback_ | Saviq: I lost the reply then | 15:02 |
| greyback_ | mind repeating? | 15:03 |
| Saviq | [16:23:20] <Saviq> greyback__, looking good, not much to comment | 15:03 |
| greyback_ | Saviq: cool, thanks | 15:03 |
| MacSlow | Just curious... why do upstart-log-files use CR+LF (0x0D0A) instead of just LF (0x0A)? | 15:03 |
| Cimi | Saviq, ouch, there is something even weirder here | 15:04 |
| Cimi | Saviq, go in dash app | 15:04 |
| Cimi | Saviq, touch right next to a label, vertically aligned | 15:04 |
| Cimi | Saviq, now scroll up and see how the view disconnects from the finger of around 4-6 gu | 15:05 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, you sure that's the case? | 15:06 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, adb adds \r IIUC | 15:07 |
| Saviq | Cimi, not sure what you mean | 15:07 |
| Saviq | Cimi, ah now I get it | 15:08 |
| Saviq | Cimi, you mean that we don't end up in the same place that we started | 15:08 |
| dednick_ | Cimi: the UI takes the memory (mostly) | 15:08 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, hm... if it's adb's fault I don't mind... just odd to see ^M in all *.log when viewing the on the device... | 15:08 |
| Cimi | Saviq, exactly | 15:08 |
| Cimi | Saviq, also happens on my android | 15:09 |
| dednick_ | Cimi: we've already decided to keep them loaded all the time | 15:09 |
| Cimi | Saviq, forget about it | 15:09 |
| Saviq | Cimi, that's probably some filtering done in hw | 15:09 |
| dednick_ | Cimi: we're just going to limit the number of delegates loaded | 15:09 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, what are you viewing with? I don't see that | 15:09 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, which .log file, too? | 15:09 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, vi | 15:09 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, ah indeed | 15:09 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, you might wanna ask jodh or just file a bug with upstart | 15:10 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, all... but let me be sure... just checking with using ssh to connect to the device... | 15:10 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/939316 | 15:10 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 939316 in upstart "console log files are CRLF terminated" [Undecided,Won't fix] | 15:10 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, no no, I meant output from adb shell has \r, not if you go to the console | 15:11 |
| * MacSlow wonders what's wrong with his ISP today (again) | 15:11 | |
| MacSlow | Saviq, seeing "^M" reminds me of ugly format-conversion bugs from waaaay back... no deal-breaker, just a sight that brings back bad memories :) | 15:15 |
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| MacSlow | greyback_, what debug- or logging-means can I use on the phone (at runtime) to see things like resource/surface allocation and destruction? | 15:38 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, regarding LP: #1366752 I can't point out a flaw in the notification-system directly... thus I'll try to dig deeper now. Also don't see any dbus-timeouts or media-hub crashes here. | 15:40 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1366752 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Phone freezes for a moment when message notification appears" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366752 | 15:40 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, is the Loader asynchronous in NotificationList? | 15:41 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, NotificationMenuItemFactory should probably just have asynchronous: true is all | 15:42 |
| greyback_ | MacSlow: currently all debug output is enabled in qtmir, so you see messages on events like surface creation & destruction in the unity8.log | 15:43 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, if that's not the default (if not present) then it's missing | 15:43 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, it is not | 15:43 |
| MacSlow | greyback_, ok thx | 15:43 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, ok... I can add that (and will test again) but then the Loader (from NotificationMenuItemFactory.qml) is not used for notifications in question (sms -> interactive notifictaions != snap-decisions) | 15:44 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, and the MenuItemFactory's Loader is only used for those | 15:44 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, well, yeah, you might need to wrap the Notification in a Loader then to make it async | 15:45 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, what?! :/ | 15:45 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, delegates within ListView bounds are created sync | 15:46 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, as the notifications are always in bounds, they will always be created sync | 15:46 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, granted, I'm starting to get worried though how heavy it seems to be to create the simplest of QML components... | 15:46 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, I will see if wrapping the whole Notification in a Loader eliminates the slight stutter | 15:47 |
| MacSlow | :q! | 15:48 |
| MacSlow | doh! | 15:48 |
| dandrader | Cimi, thanks for the review | 15:59 |
| Cimi | dandrader, forgot to top approve | 16:00 |
| Cimi | oh no | 16:00 |
| Cimi | is there | 16:00 |
| dandrader | yep | 16:00 |
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| AlbertA2 | kgunn: then sudo tail -f /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log | 19:40 |
| kgunn | gotta run an errand, back ~30 min | 19:50 |
| Saviq | om26er, you love the code or the result (of the branch)? ;) | 20:44 |
| om26er | Saviq, the result, its smooth ;-) | 20:45 |
| Saviq | om26er, yeah, it seems in the end recreating stuff is just too heavy when scrolling | 20:45 |
| Saviq | which we should look into in any case | 20:45 |
| Saviq | but decided that if you're looking at a scope, we want to commit the memory for a better experience anywa | 20:46 |
| Saviq | y | 20:46 |
| om26er | Saviq, so does it unload when we switch to a different scope ? | 20:47 |
| Saviq | om26er, yes, and when you go to a different app | 20:49 |
| Saviq | om26er, we also wait for an item to come on screen before loading images when on reduced bandwidth to save on data | 20:49 |
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