[00:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: noticed xfpm builds are failing https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+recipe/xfpm-daily
[00:02] <bluesabre> in case you're bored with shimmer stuff ;)
[00:08] <Unit193> I see, usr/share/xfce4/panel-plugins => usr/share/xfce4/panel/plugins
[00:09] <bluesabre> ah
[00:09] <bluesabre> eric probably tweaked something recently
[00:10] <bluesabre> indeed indeed http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=488fc9570f15f45dc43a48e5ad0a23deadffc259
[00:11] <Unit193> Pushed up to revision 10.                                                                                                    
[00:11] <bluesabre> woot
[00:11] <bluesabre> thanks Unit193
[00:11] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[00:12] <bluesabre> new builds activated
[00:13] <Unit193> Should fail, revno and all.  Should be good tomorrow.
[00:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: 0.6.2-0ubuntu2~14.04.1 != >= 0.6.2-0ubuntu2
[00:16] <bluesabre> looks bigger
[00:16] <Unit193> Not with the tilde.
[00:16] <bluesabre> silly deb
[00:16] <Unit193> Silly bluesabre. ;)
[00:18] <Unit193> Any other packages I'm supposed to look at?
[00:18] <bluesabre> anything else I messed up?
[00:18] <bluesabre> 0.6.2-0ubuntu3~14.04.1 is definitely bigger
[00:18] <Unit193> Pah! :D
[00:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: I normally just directly go for 0.6.2-0ubuntu2 in this case, since utopic has it you won't (ever) need to upload that version again, but that's me.  You'd just have to change the changelog distribution.
[00:22]  * bluesabre takes Unit193's suggestion
[00:23] <Unit193> Eh, since we're on that, can you get with satyajit to actually release gtk-theme-config?
[00:24] <bluesabre> he tagged the release
[00:24] <Unit193> Oh?  Looked today and didn't see it. >_>
[00:24] <bluesabre> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gtk-theme-config-maintainers/gtk-theme-config/trunk/changes
[00:24] <bluesabre> its what we've been doing for "releases" in that project it seems
[00:25] <bluesabre> when I get approved into that team, I'll handle releases a bit better
[00:25] <bluesabre> or maybe I can poke ochosi to do it
[00:25] <bluesabre> I do have some fixes for satya to do though
[00:25] <Unit193> Oh, I see.
[00:27] <Unit193> Heh, no clue how to do downloads. :P
[00:28] <bluesabre> on utopic? apt-get source gtk-theme-config ;)
[00:29] <bluesabre> I told him to tag the release, then pulled and uploaded at that point
[00:29] <bluesabre> cleaned it up, no git/bzr files in the tarball
[00:29] <Unit193> Stilly bluesabre, I meant upload.  I'm actually part of the maintainers, but for the Debian side of things not upstream.
[00:29] <Unit193> I see https://launchpad.net/gtk-theme-config/trunk/+addrelease now, but as I don't want to break it I'm ducking and running.
[00:30] <bluesabre> you'll want my patches too maybe http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/gtk-theme-config/utopic/files/head:/debian/patches/
[00:31]  * bluesabre shuts up
[00:31] <bluesabre> :D
[00:31]  * Unit193 isn't upstream either. :P
[00:32] <Unit193> OK, so gmusicbrowser updated(ish), xfpm fixed, and looks like everything else is done.
[00:32] <bluesabre> productive day
[07:20] <elfy> will be missing from meeting - can someone #info the Beta results please
[07:21] <elfy> 32 bit 7 testers (3 from team)/64 bit 5 testers (4 from team)
[07:21] <elfy> 32 bit 19 tests run/64 bit 17 tests run
[07:21] <elfy> thanks
[08:42] <Luyin> hi guys! today at 10 utc is community meeting, right?
[08:46] <slickymasterWork> yes Luyin
[08:47] <slickymasterWork> but it's not a community meeting, it's the Xubuntu Team meeting
[08:50] <Luyin> hey slickymasterWork, thanks. so I'd really like to attend, but I've got the household to do. But I'll linger around, so I can read later what's been going on.
[08:52] <slickymasterWork> np Luyin, you can always get a hold of the meeting minutes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive or a meeting summary at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[09:27] <slickymasterWork> done brainwash
[09:27] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: thanks :)
[09:27] <slickymasterWork> np
[09:28] <knome> slickymasterWork, it *is* calle the "xubuntu community meeting"
[09:28] <knome> *called
[09:29] <knome> because we do welcome all community, and only votes are restricted to teams
[09:32] <knome> ...*team
[09:36]  * slickymasterWork stands corrected
[09:36] <slickymasterWork> morning knome 
[09:50] <knome> hey slickymasterWork 
[09:56] <bluesabre> morning folks
[10:00] <ochosi> hey everyone!
[10:00] <ochosi> sorry, i only have about 20mins now, so let's make it quick
[10:00] <ochosi> !team | hey everyone, meeting-time!
[10:00] <ochosi> #startmeeting
[10:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep  9 10:00:59 2014 UTC.  The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[10:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[10:01] <bluesabre> o/
[10:02] <ochosi> (sorry for being a bit rushy, unexpected time pressure and meetings... :/ )
[10:02] <ochosi> #topic Agenda
[10:02] <bluesabre> happens
[10:02] <ochosi> #subtopic Review artwork for UIF
[10:03] <ochosi> i guess from my pov, we're pretty clear on this
[10:03] <bluesabre> yeah, just waiting on knome for the wp... haven't had any issues with the gtk or icon theme
[10:03] <ochosi> so the question is more, are you missing anything in utopic? (apart from the HUGE elephant in the room, right knome? :D)
[10:03] <bluesabre> I'll poke satya to see if he has anything in the pipe
[10:03] <ochosi> cool
[10:04] <ochosi> i might do another release for the icons
[10:04] <ochosi> there's not really much that changed there
[10:04] <bluesabre> go ahead, I'll upload tonight
[10:04] <bluesabre> :)
[10:04] <ochosi> hmm, i might need until tomorrow if that's still ok
[10:04] <ochosi> but i can also try tonight
[10:04] <bluesabre> that's ok too
[10:05] <ochosi> the themes haven't had any changes since we last uploaded them
[10:05] <ochosi> so i think that's good
[10:05] <bluesabre> yup
[10:05] <ochosi> plymouth and greeter need the wall
[10:07] <ochosi> alrighty
[10:08] <ochosi> if anything comes up wrt missing or buggy artwork, lemme know!
[10:08] <bluesabre> sure thing
[10:08] <ochosi> hah, just noticed i screwed up the topics/subtopics structure a bit with adding agenda there :)
[10:08] <ochosi> sorry about that
[10:09] <ochosi> #topic Open action items
[10:09] <ochosi> slickymasterWork, knome: either of you about? what's the status of pkexec and docs?
[10:09] <slickymasterWork> pkexec policy files are included in the documentation in favor of gksu
[10:10] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: feel free to mark as "DONE" then ;)
[10:10]  * slickymasterWork was waiting for team updates to #info on it
[10:10] <ochosi> right, can also do that, but since it's there as an action item, go ahead
[10:10] <slickymasterWork> it's already marked as DONE in both the blueprint and trello
[10:10] <ochosi> #done slickymaster and knome will work on docs for pkexec
[10:10] <slickymasterWork> #info pkexec policy files are included in the documentation in favor of gksu
[10:10] <ochosi> #undo
[10:10] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO
[10:10] <ochosi> one is enough ;)
[10:11] <bluesabre> #done call for package translations sent to mailing lists https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-September/010404.html
[10:11] <slickymasterWork> yeah, you beat me to it
[10:11] <ochosi> pleia2, knome: that one's still in progress, right? marketing team to support xfce's bug bounty programme by informing people on website and social media
[10:11] <slickymasterWork> #info the "Network printing" section of the documentation is updated
[10:11] <slickymasterWork> #info the "Scanning" section of the documentation is updated
[10:11] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: let's put that in team updates pls
[10:11] <slickymasterWork> #undo
[10:12] <ochosi> i'm only going over the open action items from the last meeting
[10:12] <ochosi> #undo
[10:12] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO
[10:12] <ochosi> #undo
[10:12] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO
[10:12] <slickymasterWork> thanks ochosi 
[10:12] <ochosi> but anyway, i'm pretty sure that the marketing stuff is still WIP so i'll keep it
[10:12] <ochosi> #action marketing team to support xfce's bug bounty programme by informing people on website and social media
[10:12] <meetingology> ACTION: marketing team to support xfce's bug bounty programme by informing people on website and social media
[10:12] <bluesabre> #info elfy set up a discussion page for QA incentives http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive
[10:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: let's also put that in team updates ;)
[10:13] <ochosi> #undo
[10:13] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO
[10:13] <ochosi> #topic Team updates
[10:13] <ochosi> ok, shoot :)
[10:13] <bluesabre> that was an action item ;)
[10:13] <bluesabre> #info elfy set up a discussion page for QA incentives http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive
[10:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, but you didn't #done it
[10:13] <knome> ochosi, yep, but getting there (re: marketing team)
[10:14] <bluesabre> #info Beta Test results: 32 bit 7 testers (3 from team)/64 bit 5 testers (4 from team), 32 bit 19 tests run/64 bit 17 tests run
[10:14] <slickymasterWork> #info the "Network printing" section of the documentation is updated
[10:14] <slickymasterWork> #info the "Scanning" section of the documentation is updated
[10:15] <bluesabre> #info xubuntu-default-settings discussed with team, agreed upon (and not changing any further)
[10:16] <ochosi> #chair bluesabre 
[10:16] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi
[10:16] <ochosi> #chair knome 
[10:16] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre knome ochosi
[10:17] <ochosi> i'm really sorry that i have to run, but it's about catching a train...
[10:17] <lderan> hello all
[10:17] <bluesabre> #info UI Freeze is Thursday, afterwards exception paperwork will need to be filed for any other UI changes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserInterfaceFreeze
[10:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: mind to chair for me?
[10:18] <bluesabre> suppose that I can
[10:18] <ochosi> ty
[10:18] <ochosi> ttyl
[10:18] <slickymasterWork> have fun ochosi 
[10:18] <bluesabre> seeya ochosi
[10:19] <bluesabre> anybody else with team updates to announce?
[10:19] <bluesabre> also, hey lderan :)
[10:19] <lderan> nope
[10:20] <slickymasterWork> hey lderan 
[10:20] <bluesabre> ah, announcements is next
[10:20] <bluesabre> #undo
[10:20] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO
[10:20] <bluesabre> #topic Announcements
[10:20] <bluesabre> #info UI Freeze is Thursday, afterwards exception paperwork will need to be filed for any other UI changes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserInterfaceFreeze
[10:21] <bluesabre> (these two are so similar)
[10:22] <bluesabre> #info We are still seeking translators for the documentation and packages
[10:22] <bluesabre> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-September/010396.html
[10:22] <bluesabre> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-September/010404.html
[10:23] <bluesabre> ... anything else?
[10:23] <bluesabre> knome?
[10:23] <knome> no
[10:24] <bluesabre> !topic Discussion
[10:25] <bluesabre> #topic Discussion
[10:25] <bluesabre> having issues this morning :)
[10:25] <bluesabre> #subtopic Default configuration
[10:25] <bluesabre> Are we good here, any other changes need tweaked or reverted?
[10:25] <bluesabre> or added
[10:27] <bluesabre> probably not enough people here this morning to discuss
[10:27] <bluesabre> #subtopic QA Incentives
[10:27] <bluesabre> http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive 
[10:28] <bluesabre> This looks really good to me
[10:29] <bluesabre> knome: any actionable items from this, or should it be discussed later?
[10:31] <bluesabre> #nick team
[10:31] <bluesabre> #action team to further discuss the QA Incentive program
[10:31] <meetingology> ACTION: team to further discuss the QA Incentive program
[10:32] <bluesabre> anything else for discussion?
[10:32] <bluesabre> I'll leave it open for a few minutes in case somebody pops in
[10:37] <bluesabre> alrighty
[10:37] <bluesabre> #topic Schedule Next Meeting
[10:37] <bluesabre> Looks like Unit193 is up next
[10:37] <bluesabre> #action Unit193 to schedule next meeting
[10:37] <meetingology> ACTION: Unit193 to schedule next meeting
[10:38] <bluesabre> that's all folks
[10:38] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[10:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep  9 10:38:36 2014 UTC.  
[10:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-09-09-10.00.moin.txt
[10:38] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'll let you handle the minutes when you're around
[10:38] <knome> boo!
[10:38] <knome> :P
[10:39] <bluesabre> now you talk
[10:39] <bluesabre> :P
[10:40] <lderan> :P
[10:40]  * bluesabre goes back to bed
[10:40] <knome> sleep tight
[12:01] <elfy> can someone see if they get the same behaviour at the iso tracker as me - filtering products makes no difference and going to a test you can't minimise the testcase 
[12:01] <elfy> thanks - seems rather broken to me 
[12:53] <Unit193> elfy: Confirmed on both.
[13:02] <Unit193> As an additional treat, I can't login. >_<
[13:03] <Unit193> Tried a few more times, it's finally in.
[14:00] <Unit193> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu+team+meeting&iso=20140923T15&p1=415&am=30 That look good for anyone else?  ochosi, bluesabre?
[14:00] <ochosi> hey folks
[14:00] <ochosi> sorry again about before
[14:00] <Unit193> Howdy.
[14:01] <ochosi> Unit193: meeting date-time looks good to me
[14:03] <slickymasterWork> Unit193: sort of, it will depend on whether I have my son with me that day. If yes I'll be in and out since it will be his dinner time
[14:04] <slickymasterWork> but we will see
[14:04] <Unit193> slickymasterWork: Later better?
[14:04] <Unit193> elfy: Same, time work better for you too?  Later?
[14:04] <slickymasterWork> yeah, one hour later would be good
[14:06] <ochosi> minutes are up, you can add your meeting time anytime now Unit193 ;)
[14:07] <Unit193> ochosi: Just working out what time is best for people, pointless having a meeting nobody can attned (well.. Does make it shorter.  On second thought! ;) )
[14:07] <ochosi> haha, well that wasn't my intention
[14:07] <ochosi> even if today turned out a bit like that
[14:09] <Unit193> I could be real nice and put it at 01:00:00 UTC. :P
[14:22] <Unit193> bluesabre: => lxpanel 0.7.1 won't need the menucache dep, that's a mistake in the .pc file.
[14:39] <elfy> Unit193: looks good to me time wise
[14:39] <ochosi> Unit193: wait, is lxpanel 0.7 coming to 14.10 after all?
[14:39] <Unit193> ochosi: Not likely.
[14:39] <Unit193> elfy: Great, sounds good then.
[14:40] <elfy> no meeting next week then
[14:42] <elfy> though a meeting just as we start the final beta sounds usefulish
[14:42] <Unit193> Did to me.
[15:02] <ochosi> elfy: the QA incentive page looks really nice! added a few small comments to it
[15:04] <elfy> ochosi: thanks
[15:56] <Unit193> http://goo.gl/9jfC9D set.
[16:04] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-September/010414.html too.
[16:05] <ochosi> nice, thanks Unit193 
[16:06] <Unit193> Yep, though I don't see the items on the current agenda being carried forward, did I miss it?
[16:08] <ochosi> hmm, maybe i haven't added them yet
[16:11] <Unit193> xfce-4.12 was for xfce components only, right?
[16:12] <ochosi> guess you better ask bluesabre about that, he drafted a pad about how our PPAs are supposed to be used
[16:15] <Unit193> Alrighty.
[16:15] <ochosi> brrr, gotta run again
[16:16] <ochosi> if you have time to add the carried-forward items, that'd be great
[16:16] <ochosi> otherwise i'll try to get to it later tonight
[17:59] <pleia2> tsk, I was all excited about a meeting time I could attend, but I'll be at PuppetConf that day :)
[18:00] <Unit193> Heh, oh well.  Figured it'd even be better for you.
[18:00] <elfy> wait pleia2 - I'll make sure to ask you when you're about :p
[18:01] <pleia2> I can probably find a corner to hide in to go to the meeting, I'm not boothing and my talk isn't until later in the day
[18:01] <Unit193> Or, do it when nobody is around, shortest meeting ever. :P
[18:01] <elfy> :)
[18:02] <Unit193> As long as there's items on the agenda, I don't mind.
[18:03] <pleia2> hopefully by then I'll have stopped arguing with knome about the title for the Donate page so we can promote the bounty program :)
[18:07] <elfy> Unit193: there will be 
[18:08] <Unit193> Oh dear.
[18:08] <elfy> the qa thing for one
[18:08] <elfy> beta that week
[18:09] <elfy> making sure we get a better response to testing
[18:11] <pleia2> fortunately puppetconf is local, so I won't be on the road and can pitch in with b2 testing, I promise :)
[18:12] <elfy> my mail to team wasn't aimed at anyone specifically :)
[18:13] <pleia2> I know, but you are right
[18:13] <pleia2> so I shall participate
[18:13] <Unit193> I see my name in the "To:" field, thus it's aimed at me and I should also do better, I shall as well.
[18:13] <pleia2> has lightdm stopped exploding yet?
[18:14] <elfy> xubuntu-team doesn't have a way for me to mail it pleia2 :)
[18:14] <Unit193> Seems to be a little specific, hasn't hit me yet.
[18:14] <elfy> kind of
[18:14] <pleia2> tsk
[18:14] <Unit193> But seems to keep hitting elfy one way or another, I was only affected when they broke ubuntu-drivers-common.
[18:14] <elfy> Unit193: well if you've killed the gmail address you won't get it - though I've only had one bounce notification
[18:15] <elfy> lightdm 
[18:15] <elfy> the position is this
[18:15] <elfy> hardware - shouldn't be an issue
[18:15] <elfy> vmware - shouldn't be an issue
[18:15] <Unit193> elfy: Sorry, I meant the lightdm problem.
[18:15] <elfy> vbox - vboxvideo doesn't get loaded - that is an issue :p
[18:16] <elfy> so anyone trying at the moment to use vbox - <host>F1 - startx and you can do install tests
[18:16]  * pleia2 nods
[18:16] <pleia2> thanks
[18:16] <elfy> I'm not going to be taking any notice of livesession fails if they're from a vbox report
[18:17] <elfy> I think that sums the situation up :)
[18:17] <Unit193> elfy: Hrm, new installs/ubiquity related only?  As in, my fully updated VM shouldn't be hitting it right?
[18:17] <elfy> Unit193:nope - installs work - it's just live stuff afaik
[18:18] <Unit193> That'd explain why I never saw it.
[18:18] <elfy> :)
[18:18] <elfy> should mail the list I guess
[18:18] <Unit193> Upgrade+mini installs.
[18:27] <elfy> framebuffer devices lacking in live session in fact https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1365336/comments/56
[18:33] <pleia2> elfy: thank you :)
[18:38] <elfy> not sure what for, but you're welcome :)
[18:38] <pleia2> mail to list
[18:38] <elfy> aah right 
[20:21] <Unit193> Noskcaj: In case you didn't see, I updated gmusicbrowser in Debian's vcs.
[20:22] <Noskcaj> ty
[20:22] <Noskcaj> I was going to, but the script broke for me, then i had school
[20:24] <Unit193> Script?
[20:28] <Noskcaj> repack script
[20:29] <Unit193> Worked like a charm.
[20:38] <Unit193> It was a pretty simple update once you get past the patch refreshing anyway, just need ochosi to apply one upstream.
[20:49] <ochosi> Unit193: hmm, but i'm not really upstream for gmb
[20:49] <Unit193> But, but, but... It says so. :(
[20:49] <ochosi> where?
[20:52] <Unit193> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/gmusicbrowser.git/tree/debian/copyright
[20:54] <ochosi> that is both weird and wrong :)
[20:54] <ochosi> i was only a contributor, i never had push-rights upstream
[20:56] <Unit193> Bleh...  Well I'm not a maintainer/uploader, I don't have to fix it. :--D
[21:05] <brainwash> interesting report -> bug 1367381
[21:05] <brainwash> "Please check, confirm and fix this problem at the earliest as this is rendering the system practically useless."
[21:22] <ochosi> wow, someone is heavily relying on thumbnails there :)
[21:26] <brainwash> and I have no idea how to help him :/
[21:27] <brainwash> tumbler is a mysterious tool
[22:43] <bluesabre> Unit193: will try to make it
[22:44] <Unit193> bluesabre: Great.  Generally better time for you too?
[22:45] <bluesabre> pretty much no, but since that is pre-milestone, I'll work something out :)
[22:46] <bluesabre> xfce-4.12 ppa seems like it should be xfce stuff only
[22:46] <Unit193> Bummer.
[22:46] <Unit193> OK, that's fine then.
[22:49] <writing_novel> I'd still like to get a standard XFCE + Ubuntu interface, as I'd prefer that to GNOME "classic mode"
[22:50] <pleia2> writing_novel: we'd still like for you to ask support questions in #xubuntu and not the devel channel :)
[22:51] <writing_novel> It is NOT a support question I found out. They told me that since nothing was "broken" per se, that the XFCE interface having this whisker thing and looking unlike what everyone knows regular XFCE looks like, that its a design issue and belongs here.
[22:52] <pleia2> then you should probably say so
[22:52] <pleia2> we don't change things just because someone comes in here and tells us what they like
[22:52] <writing_novel> What I was expecting when installed Xubuntu was Ubuntu plus XFCE (looking like what XFCE does) and it is not it some transmogrified variation.
[22:52] <pleia2> that's because you installed Xubuntu
[22:53] <pleia2> if you want Ubuntu + Xfce, then install Ubuntu and add the Xfce package
[22:53] <writing_novel> But Xubuntu says it is Ubuntu + XFCE
[22:53] <writing_novel> it is not
[22:53] <writing_novel> wait a second
[22:53] <pleia2> where does it say that?
[22:53] <writing_novel> hang on a second
[22:53] <writing_novel> I read on the Ubuntu website (I think) that Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE
[22:53] <writing_novel> let me find the page, hang on
[22:53] <pleia2> where?
[22:53] <writing_novel> hang on, I'll get the link for you.
[22:54] <pleia2> Xubuntu comes with Xfce, but I'm not aware of anything that says that it's Ubuntu with pure Xfce
[22:54] <pleia2> just like all the flavors, it's customized with backgrounds, themes, icon sets, default applications, etc as its own distribution that uses Xfce
[22:54] <writing_novel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFlavors
[22:54] <writing_novel> Xubuntu
[22:54] <writing_novel> Xubuntu provides a light, stable and configurable desktop environment with conservative workflows. Xubuntu uses Xfce as the desktop environment. 
[22:55] <writing_novel> that is where it says it comes with XFCE
[22:55] <pleia2> yes, it uses Xfce
[22:55] <writing_novel> and it's nothing like XFCE
[22:55] <writing_novel> XFCE looks entirely different
[22:55] <Unit193> Still, that's configuration preferences, you can change it how you like.  You can also just install the xfce4 package on a mini install, as has been pointed out repeatedly.
[22:55] <pleia2> I don't understand
[22:55] <pleia2> I give up :)
[22:55] <writing_novel> My point is that nowhere does it say its a different transmogrified variation
[22:55] <writing_novel> it says its XFCE
[22:55] <writing_novel> its not XFCE
[22:55] <Unit193> writing_novel: Xubuntu uses Xfce, that's exactly what it says on the tin and it's quite accurate.
[22:55] <pleia2> Unit193: yeah, I've told them this twice already, they don't seem to understand
[22:56] <writing_novel> XFCE does not look that way
[22:56] <Unit193> Yes, yes it does.
[22:56] <writing_novel> XFCE has a bottom row with a task bar like a MacOS
[22:56] <writing_novel> and has a drop down menue like GNOME 2
[22:56] <writing_novel> That is the XFCE I am interested in
[22:56] <Unit193> Xfce can be configured, if you want something that can't maybe you're looking for Gnome?
[22:56] <Unit193> writing_novel: So configure it!
[22:57] <writing_novel> I don't understand, I install Debian with XFCE and it needs no configuration it looks like any other Linux w/XFCE (Fedora with XFCE looks just like debian), why is your different?
[22:57] <writing_novel> your=yours
[22:57] <writing_novel> it is misconfigured out of the box you mean?
[22:57] <writing_novel> It does not look like XFCE
[22:57] <writing_novel> its different
[22:57] <brainwash> talking to you is like talking to a wall
[22:58] <Unit193> brainwash: A wall doesn't talk back.
[22:58] <writing_novel> Because EVERY other XFCE distro looks the same but yours
[22:58] <writing_novel> and you say yours is XFCE!
[22:58] <writing_novel> its crazy talk
[22:58] <writing_novel> by configure you mean install something else
[22:58] <brainwash> can no one kick/ban him?
[22:58] <writing_novel> thats a misrepresentation!
[22:58] <Unit193> writing_novel: That's also not correct.
[22:58] <pleia2> writing_novel: please stop
[22:59] <writing_novel> kick me? for what? for pointing out the distro is not what it says it is?
[22:59] <writing_novel> how mean of you!
[22:59] <writing_novel> I am pointing out a technical problem!
[22:59] <brainwash> there is none
[22:59] <writing_novel> sure there is
[22:59] <writing_novel> it is not configured right as Unit193 is pointout
[22:59] <brainwash> but well, feel free to file a bug report on launchpad
[23:00] <pleia2> thanks
[23:00] <Unit193> Sure.
[23:01] <brainwash> he really tried to write a novel in this channel
[23:01] <pleia2> lol
[23:11] <bluesabre> so, how are things everybody :)
[23:12] <brainwash> bluesabre: can we point people to https://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+archive/ubuntu/lp1320560 so they can test it?
[23:12] <bluesabre> brainwash: sure thing
[23:12] <bluesabre> I'll get trusty pkgs in there (hopefully) tonight
[23:13] <brainwash> ok