[00:44] <Geekasaurus> I'll ask again: I have Kubuntu 14.04.  On the main console, there is no desktop after login.  There's a nice, happy graphic, but nothing else.  It doesn't matter which desktop I choose: Default, Gnome, Gnome Flashback (Compbiz), Gnome Flashback (Metacity), KDE Plasma Workspace, or Unity.  All of them result in no desktop (nautilus).
[00:58]  * RedDeath Back
[01:45] <schoppenhauer> hello. I selected the "brai" keyboard layout as secondary layout in kubuntu 14.04, but it really behaves strange when I try to use it. most programs just ignore the dot-keys, one particular program (Skype) once showed braille-dots.
[01:45] <schoppenhauer> any clue what the problem could be?
[01:50] <aryo> schoppenhauer: i don't have idea, but i recommend using ibus
[01:51] <schoppenhauer> aryo: does ibus support braille input? I don't really think so.
[01:51] <schoppenhauer> ibus would be nice since I want to use japanese as well.
[01:53] <aryo> Ibus-anthy provides japanese layout, but for braille i don't know
[01:54] <schoppenhauer> aryo: how does ibus integrate in kubuntu?
[01:55] <aryo> As it is installed, it will integrated well
[01:56] <schoppenhauer> somehow, starting ibus and selecting japanese and typing "wakarimasen" does not ... do anything
[01:56] <schoppenhauer> aryo: that is, just inputs the roman letters ...
[01:56] <aryo> If not, you can configure it with im-config
[01:57] <aryo> You need im-config, select ibus and restart kubuntu
[02:09] <DarthFrog> Does anyone know if/what the Kubuntu devs have said about systemd?
[02:09] <Unit193> Optionally for utopic, default later on.
[02:10] <DarthFrog> Darn. <stronger language repressed>
[02:10] <DarthFrog> I'm not aligned with Lennart Poettering's vision of Linux.
[02:14] <schoppenhauer> create your own vision \o/
[02:15] <schoppenhauer> it is free software
[02:15] <schoppenhauer> use fvwm
[02:15] <schoppenhauer> why is there no fvwmbuntu?
[02:15] <schoppenhauer> well. good night. and thx.
[02:19] <DarthFrog> schoppenhauer:  I've used fvwm in the past.
[02:19] <schoppenhauer> わかりません
[02:19] <DarthFrog> and fvwm is orthogonal to systemd.
[02:21] <schoppenhauer> ibus works \o/
[02:21] <schoppenhauer> well. I am still a person who likes the good old sysvinit.
[05:46] <hateball> I like how the opendesktop.org certificate is still not replaced...
[05:53] <Graf_Westerholt> hateball :)
[07:15] <mcstr__> guys i have some problem with gtk libs... i have manually installed gtk3 via offical webbapge download and now it wont't start any gtk based apps or apps usin this library ... all i get is macstar@macstar-desktop:~$ cheese
[07:15] <mcstr__> cheese: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0: undefined symbol: gdk_frame_clock_get_type
[07:16] <mcstr__> i have checked libgtk-3 is installed
[07:16] <mcstr__> any fix for this? or shall i just reinstall libgtk?
[07:21] <mcstr__> reinstall libgtk3 won't fix the problem
[07:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:32] <mcstr__> i could try to remove libgtk-3 via muon but then it wants to remove so many apps i don'tt wanna do this
[07:32] <mcstr__> and as i said manually reinstallation does not fix the problem
[07:33] <mcstr__> any ideas?
[07:35] <mcstr__> i mean if i remove it i lose chesse, conky manager, glade, plasma widget kimpanel, simple scan audacious plugins appgrid braesero hmmm
[07:38] <mcstr__> well gonna try this now anyway
[08:11] <mcstr_> shit
[08:11] <mcstr_> macstar@macstar-desktop:~$ cheese
[08:11] <mcstr_> cheese: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0: undefined symbol: gdk_frame_clock_get_type
[08:11] <mcstr_> the problem remains
[08:11] <mcstr_> has anyone an idea please?
[08:13] <yofel> for some reason your libgtk3 has a different ABI than what we had before, so you'll have to rebuild anything that uses it
[08:13] <lordievader> mcstr_: I have no idea if this is related but what version of gtk3 do you have? http://upstream-tracker.org/compat_reports/gtk+/3.7.8_to_3.7.10/abi_compat_report.html
[08:14] <mcstr_> lordievader i suspect it is, i manually installed gtk3 a few days ago via official homepage and since then i have this problem
[08:14] <mcstr_> lordievader how can i check my gtk ver?
[08:15] <lordievader> mcstr_: I know next to nothing about gtk, let me check some stuff.
[08:15] <lordievader> !info libgtk-3-0
[08:16] <lordievader> !info libgtk-3-0 precise
[08:16] <yofel> mcstr_: what does 'ls /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0.*' say?
[08:16] <lordievader> mcstr_: "apt-cache policy libgtk-3-0" will tell you what version you have I suppose.
[08:16] <mcstr_> yofel macstar@macstar-desktop:~$ ls /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0.*
[08:16] <mcstr_> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0.1000.8
[08:17] <yofel> ok, that's 3.10.8
[08:17] <mcstr_> lordievader acstar@macstar-desktop:~$ apt-cache policy libgtk-3-0
[08:17] <mcstr_> libgtk-3-0:
[08:17] <mcstr_>   Installiert:           3.10.8-0ubuntu1.2
[08:17] <mcstr_>   Installationskandidat: 3.10.8-0ubuntu1.2
[08:17] <mcstr_>   Versionstabelle:
[08:17] <mcstr_>  *** 3.10.8-0ubuntu1.2 0
[08:17] <unopaste> mcstr_ you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[08:18] <mcstr_> sorry for flooding --> http://paste.kde.org/pjqxai9bs
[08:18] <lordievader> !paste | mcstr_
[08:18] <yofel> that looks ok...
[08:19] <mcstr_> yofel tried to reinstall libgtk3 and also removed installed again did a reboot
[08:19] <mcstr_> problem remains
[08:19] <mcstr_> could it be that this file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0.  is a wrong symlink?
[08:20] <yofel> well, what does it point to?
[08:21] <mcstr_> checking...
[08:22] <mcstr_> symlinks to libgtk-3.so.0.1000.8
[08:24] <yofel> then that part is ok
[08:25] <yofel> mcstr_: did you also install cheese from the website?
[08:25] <mcstr_> yofel nope
[08:25] <mcstr_> removing and reinstalling ruby glib2 now
[08:26] <mcstr_> problem remains :(
[08:27] <mcstr_> please have a look at this http://paste.kde.org/ps5lgk9is  it says these packages are installed but not needed anymore ... did not get that before
[08:27] <mcstr_> save to remove?
[08:29] <yofel> that happened because they were automatically installed as dependencies and you removed whatever used them
[08:29] <yofel> so it's usually safe to remove them
[08:30] <mcstr_> yofel i have libgdk-3.so.0.0.12 in /usr/local/lib thats an older one right?
[08:31] <yofel> it should be... but I'm not sure :/
[08:31] <mcstr_> HA
[08:31] <mcstr_> moved those in another folder
[08:31] <mcstr_> so that it does not use them anymore
[08:31] <mcstr_> and now cheese works
[08:31] <mcstr_> :D
[08:32] <mcstr_> checking synaptic but i bet every prog will work now again
[08:32] <mcstr_> synaptic runs fine as well now :)
[08:32] <lordievader> !info libgdk
[08:33] <lordievader> !info libgdk3.0-cil
[08:33] <mcstr_> stop it guys :) thx for help but moving these files fixed it
[08:34] <mcstr_> i will copy now the .1000.8 files into /usr/local/lib just to be save
[08:34] <lordievader> Still, that is an ugly fix and there might be a bug related to it.
[08:34] <yossarianuk> neptuneos sounds interesting .. Based on Debian Stable/later kernel/later nvidia drivers/ latest stable KDE and BFS scheduler
[08:34] <lordievader> But this gtk business scares me...
[08:34] <mcstr_> lordievader me too :)
[08:34] <yossarianuk> but no UEFI support.....
[08:35] <lordievader> !offtopic | yossarianuk
[08:35] <yofel> well, what might've happened is that it was using the system gtk, but was using a plugin or other lib from /usr/local/ which messed things up
[08:35] <yofel> library linking is scary
[08:36] <lordievader> Wouldn't that count as a bug?
[08:36] <mcstr_> oh
[08:36] <mcstr_> an amazing side effect of this fix is that the older version of glade does not crash anymore
[08:36] <mcstr_> :D
[08:36] <mcstr_> that's amazing
[08:36] <yofel> would be a bug, not sure where I guess. If cheese had an RPATH defined then it's a bug there, if not then it's a bug in gtk
[08:36] <mcstr_> always used to crash when i created an about dialog after a window now i can create so many widgets no crash
[08:37] <mcstr_> yofel no gtk based app or app using gtk libs was working anymore before the fix
[08:37] <yossarianuk> sorry .... (its semi related as its a KDE /debian based distro - but point taken..)
[08:37] <lordievader> yossarianuk: For #kubuntu-offtopic it is fine, but since it is no Kubuntu support question it is offtopic here.
[08:38] <yossarianuk> lordievader: np
[08:38] <mcstr_> gotta go now i ll be back later….. if i can still do anything to help fixing this if its really a bug somewhere let me know
[08:55] <nandhu> #openstack-devstack
[11:08] <bilo> hi, any info when the next version will be released (14.10) ?
[11:08] <ikonia> errr 10/2014
[11:08] <ikonia> it's in the name
[11:09] <lordievader> !schedule
[11:10] <lordievader> Hmm, that doesn't work anymore.
[11:10] <tsimpson> !schedule-#ubuntu+1
[11:11] <bilo> thanks !
[11:12] <bilo> im asking because im new to linux and i want to find the best linux to run flawlessly with owncloud  ? any pros/cons with kubuntu ?
[11:13] <ikonia> bilo: find a distro that has owncloud packages and use them - and they will support you in getting it running
[11:14] <bilo> owncloud should be running on an external server
[11:14] <bilo> im more interested in a flawless integration with the desktop
[11:15] <ikonia> .....so you don't want to use your own owncloud build, you want to connect ao an existing one
[11:15] <bilo> ive heard about konnect and kalendar. is it really that simple ?
[11:15] <ikonia> on that I have no idea
[11:15] <ikonia> I don't use the kde desktop any more
[11:15] <bilo> which one do you use ?
[11:15] <ikonia> gnome
[11:17] <bilo> do you use owncloud ?
[11:17] <ikonia> on occasion
[11:17] <ikonia> I'm currently evaluating if I should use it more/less
[11:18] <hateball> as long as your calendar handles caldav it should be OK
[11:18] <bilo> what is your criteria ?
[11:18] <hateball> calendar app*
[11:18] <ikonia> my criteria is specifc to me
[11:19] <bilo> i want to make sure that the sync works   well across all plattforms and i dont end up with 3x the contacts i had spread all over the  thing
[11:21] <hateball> Well it's just carddav
[11:22] <hateball> At any rate, the friendly people in #owncloud probably knows more about owncloud
[11:22]  * hateball only uses the webdav part of owncloud
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:56] <bilo> thNKA THANKS
[13:49] <btm05> when I start an application from the shell (Konsole, tmux) I can't see the mouse pointer inside the application.
[13:49] <btm05> Is this a graphics card issue?
[13:50] <btm05> dmesg says something about a conflicting frame buffer usage, is that relevant?
[13:51] <btm05> When I start the program from Dolphin, everything is fine. On other distros there's also no problem.
[13:51] <btm05> I'd like to get this fixed because it's really annoying to have to change to the file manager everytime I want to test the GUI.
[13:53] <BluesKaj> btm05, which gpu and driver?
[13:57] <btm05> BluesKaj: Intel GM45 and the driver is i915
[13:58] <btm05> It's a venerable thinkpad r500.
[13:58] <btm05> venerable, is that the right word for old.
[13:58] <btm05> But I just discovered, that I only have the problem from tmux. In Konsole, everything works, so I might have some rubbish in my tmux.conf
[13:59] <BluesKaj> ok , I'm uing a lenovo g500 with the same driver, but I'm not familiar with tmux or what it doea
[13:59] <BluesKaj> does
[13:59] <btm05> it's a terminal mu- something or other.. multiplexer.
[14:00] <btm05> Let's you quickly jump around in the one physical terminal nicely. good stuff and worth a try.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> i just use yakuake for this machine for sshing I use the terminal... not on the job, merely a home user with a small LAN
[15:05] <Slartibartfast13> I"m running Kubuntu on a live CD, and it looks like it automatically mounted all my hard drives.  Is that supposed to happen automatically?
[15:05] <Slartibartfast13> Kubuntu 14.04
[15:07] <TJ-> 14.04 with vanilla (untouched) samba; Shares set via Dolphin don't show up, even on localhost (checked using 'smbtree'). Can't find any logs to indicate what is happening under the hood either. Anyone able to help?
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Slartibartfast13, that's in case you decide to install Kubuntu
[15:10] <Slartibartfast13> But I don't want Kubuntu to make any changes to my Windows system, so should I unmount all the hard drives, so it only uses my RAM, BluesKaj  ?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> it won't make any changes to your windows setup
[15:11] <Slartibartfast13> Or should I just unmount the system drive?
[15:12] <Slartibartfast13> Yeah, but what if, for example, I download and insstall Google Chrome using the live Kubuntu CD?
[15:13] <TJ-> OK, some progress. Starting from terminal "QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /var/lib/samba/usershares" and I find "ls -dl /var/lib/samba/usershares" => "drwxrwx--T 2 root sambashare 4096 May  6 13:08 /var/lib/samba/usershares" but "groups | grep samabashare || echo Not Found" => "Not Found"
[15:13] <Slartibartfast13> I am worried that if my system drive is mounted, it could make permanent changes to that hard drive when I am running the live CD
[15:14] <BluesKaj> Slartibartfast13, it won't install on your windows or any other OS on the hdd. I will hold it in the memory, and it will be gone once you quit
[15:14] <Slartibartfast13> Ok, that sounds good.  It is only accessing the RAM when I install stuff using the Software Centre?
[15:15] <BluesKaj> yes,
[15:16] <Slartibartfast13> But what would happen if I install too much stuff for the RAM to handle, beyond the RAM's memory limit?  Would Kubuntu then try to access my hard drive?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> no
[15:17] <Slartibartfast13> I got 3.25 GB of RAM memory
[15:18] <Slartibartfast13> Oh, so it would probaby stop the installation and give me a warning, BluesKaj ?
[15:18] <TJ-> The fix was "sudo adduser $USER sambashare" - but I've not seen that documented as a requirement anywhere; looks like a bug
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Slartibartfast13, probly, I've never tried more than one or two apps on live media
[15:20] <Slartibartfast13> Thanks for your help, BluesKaj
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Slartibartfast13, yw
[15:23] <lordievader> Slartibartfast13: I suppose it uses tmpfs rather than ramfs. Tmpfs throws a disk full error when the memory is full.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> TJ-, I don't recall a bug , but do remember having to setup shares and installing samba on both source and target machines before network folder setup would work thru dolphin
[15:25] <BluesKaj> even tho smb eas already installed on both machines
[15:25] <BluesKaj> was
[15:26] <TJ-> BluesKaj: This was an issue that Dolphin failed to create the user shares at all, due to having no permission to create entries in "/var/lib/samba/usershares" - this is on a clean Kubuntu install. The share service is from "kdenetwork-filesharing" so I think this a bug that is across that package, and dolphin
[15:26] <Slartibartfast13> What does the "fs" stand for in tmpfs, lordievader  ?
[15:26] <TJ-> fs == File System
[15:26] <TJ-> tmp == TeMPorary
[15:27] <BluesKaj> TJ-, ok I'll take your word on that :)
[15:27] <Slartibartfast13> Where does the tmpfs data get stored, when I run the live Kubuntu CD?
[15:28] <TJ-> Security wiki describes the group, but doesn't help much: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Privileges#Share_files_with_the_local_network
[15:29] <Slartibartfast13> lordievader, you mean if I install too much data for the RAM to handle, the tmpfs takes over the ramfs, and I get a disk full error?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> Slartibartfast13, in the tmp dir in the memory
[15:30] <BluesKaj> it allstores in the memory , if you fill it up the system will most likely freeeze up
[15:32] <BluesKaj> Slartibartfast13, are you afraid to install kubuntu ona partition ,m if so you can use windows as a host and install kubuntu in VM as a guest OS
[15:33] <TJ-> tmpfs lives entirely in the kernel page cache, and on swap.
[15:33] <Slartibartfast13> It's probably a bad idea to use Windows as a host, cause this PC has Windows XP installed
[15:33] <BluesKaj> if there is one
[15:34] <Slartibartfast13> It would be better to use Kubuntu as a host, and run Windows XP as a virtual machine, right?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> windows xp is no longer even supported by MS , i'd install W7
[15:35] <Slartibartfast13> W7 costs hundreds of dollars
[15:36] <BluesKaj> yes kubuntu as host and windows as guest would be best
[15:37] <BluesKaj> XP will run fine as a guest on kubuntu
[15:37] <TJ-> BluesKaj: not necessarily; If there will be Windows applications that need to use GPU hardware acceleration its often better to have Windows on the bare-metal, and Linux in the VMs
[15:37] <Slartibartfast13> If I run Windows XP as a virtual machine, I can just close its connection to the Internet, to prevent any malware from getting in from the Internet, right?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> TJ-, ok , i've never run kubuntu as a guest onm windows it's always been the reverse
[15:39] <TJ-> Slartibartfast13: Malware doesn't 'get in' - you invite it through your activities combined with vulnerabilities in the software you're using.
[15:39] <BluesKaj> linux isn't nera
[15:39] <Slartibartfast13> I think Kubuntu would be more secure for accessing the Internet.  I only need Windows for running my printers and scanners and for gaming
[15:40] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I've been configuring a laptop with dual-boot Win7 and Kubuntu this week for this very reason; some of the developer tools required to be used on Windows by the university require GPU hardware acceleration, so we also have Kubuntu in a VM, with an additional large shared FAT32 partition.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> linux isn't nearly as vulnerable as windows is to malware and viruses
[15:41] <TJ-> Slartibartfast13: It's worth checking that those games you use will work in a virtualised Windows installation
[15:42] <BluesKaj> TJ-, well I just dual boot, VMs never really did much for me and being a home user I have more time to switch being in a relaxed environment free of job pressures
[15:43] <Slartibartfast13> They are old PC games on CDs, such as GTA Vice City and Morrowind, from circa 2005
[15:44] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I had to beat Win7 into submission since the HDD has GPT not MBR, and Win7 on a BIOS system won't read/use a GPT. Had to craft a hybrid MBR partition table to include the Windows and shared_data partitions in order to get dual-boot to work correctly.
[15:46] <Slartibartfast13> It sounds like both virtual machines and dual boot systems require a lot of work and maintenance  that is beyond my knowledge and expertise
[15:46] <TJ-> Slartibartfast13: Depending on what hypervisor you use to virtualise Windows, you might get reasonable 3D acceleration. I think VirtualBox and VMWare provide such drivers, but so far there isn't one for QEMU/KVM.
[15:46] <Slartibartfast13> QEMU/KVM?
[15:46] <TJ-> Slartibartfast13: Once set up they're like any other system, but there are pros on cons like with anything, and the hardest part, I think, is deciding which trade-offs to make
[15:47] <BluesKaj> well TJ- , just wiped the drive clean of W8 and all it's associated bloatware and partitions and use legacy mode for W7 and Kubuntu
[15:47] <TJ-> Slartibartfast13: The 'native' Linux kernel's virtualisation technology - Kernel Virtual Machine
[15:48] <Slartibartfast13> But QEMU?  What is that?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> !qemu | Slartibartfast13
[15:55] <BluesKaj> TJ-, the only disadvantage with legacy mode is a usb live-OS won't boot unless the uefi is enabled and secure boot is disabled
[15:56] <TJ-> BluesKaj: Yeah, I build all mine to dual boot on EFI and BIOS
[15:58] <BluesKaj> when i got this laptop I hadn't read up on eufi and how to work around it in a dual boot setup so I gave up on uefi and too k the legacy route as soon as I knew i could make it work :)
[15:59] <BluesKaj> TJ- ^
[16:00] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I find UEFI makes most grub multiboot issues go away, very welcome not having OSes fighting over which owns sector 0 of the boot device
[16:01] <BluesKaj> TJ-, never had an issue with grub mucking up, it just installed in the mbr without a hitch
[16:09] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I don't either; but I support those kinds of low level issues and they're extremely difficult to resolve remotely especially with non-technical users.
[16:13] <BluesKaj> TJ-, fortunately I'm not responsible for any other pcs except the machines on our home network
[16:15] <Slartibartfast13> What do you mean by "legacy" and "UEFI" ?
[16:17] <TJ-> Slartibartfast13: Motherboard's Legacy BIOS vs UEFI firmwares - they boot systems in different ways. UEFI often provides a Compatibility Support Module (CSM) to provide a legacy boot option too
[16:18] <Slartibartfast13> Does Legacy refer to Windows, and UEFI refer to Ubuntu?
[16:18] <TJ-> Slartibartfast13: No
[16:19] <BluesKaj> legacy is the old BIOS method of booting uefi is MS invention to make it easier to deal with the bloatware partitions it creates on new machines :)
[16:19] <TJ-> Slartibartfast13: BIOS is legacy; it was what the original IBM PC had in the 1980s
[16:20] <Slartibartfast13> Ok, thanks, I understand better now
[16:20] <TJ-> BluesKaj: UEFI is an Intel invention; begain in the late '90s mostly for server grade systems but MS's decision to require it for Windows 8 has pushed almost all new motherboards into using it.
[16:20] <Slartibartfast13> YEah, now I understand  what you said earlier, makes more sense
[16:21] <BluesKaj> BIOS was around until 2010 or so iirc then UEFI was introduced on most new machines
[16:22] <Slartibartfast13> But all my machines are 10 years old.  All my 3 desktop PCs must be using legacy BIOS
[16:23] <BluesKaj> yup
[16:23] <Slartibartfast13> and I heard it's not safe to frack with your BIOS
[16:25] <BluesKaj> we have 3 desktops here 2006 and 2008 vintage, so UEFI was new to me when I received this laptop for Christmas last yr
[16:25] <Slartibartfast13> I think it's easier for me to run Windows XP separately on my old Athlon PC, which still does not have Internet access, no network card I could see
[16:26] <Slartibartfast13> and run Kubuntu on this Pavilion PC, which is newer, faster, has more RAM and tonnes of hard drive space
[16:27] <BluesKaj> Slartibartfast13, ethernet cards are cheapand esily installled
[16:28] <Slartibartfast13> I'm using ethernet now over a phone line
[16:36] <Slartibartfast13> I appreciate your patience.  Thanks for clarifying a lot of things for me
[16:42] <TJ-> Slartibartfast13: I blame you for the fact that I have a vivid image in my mind of an Italian Bistro!
[16:43] <Slartibartfast13> Slartibartfast is a character from the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, by Douglas Adams
[16:44] <TJ-> Slartibartfast13: And flies around in a space-ship that looks like an Italian Bistro :)
[16:45] <Slartibartfast13> Speaking of flying around in a spaceship.  I was able to install and run such a game using my Xubuntu live CD, and it worked
[16:46] <Slartibartfast13> But the game was totally keyboard controlled, and I failed to integrate my Logitech gamepad  controller
[16:48] <Slartibartfast13> but then I installed a Sony X game system thingy that recognized my gamepad, but it did not work on the space game
[16:49] <Slartibartfast13> However, it appeared to facilitate new sound effect for the game.  I was just screwing around with the live CD, to see what would work
[16:50] <Slartibartfast13> But I found another game that looked even better, and which does not require much memory or hardware acceleration.  It's called Other-Life
[16:51] <Slartibartfast13> When I looked up setup info on Other-Life, I figured I could probably get it installed and working here using a live CD
[16:53] <Slartibartfast13> Unfortunately, the installation commands are confusing and don't make much sense, for Other-Life, so I gave up
[16:54] <BluesKaj> Slartibartfast13, wine will run a lot of games on linux that are designed for windows
[16:54] <BluesKaj> !wine
[16:55] <Slartibartfast13> this game has linux version
[16:55]  * Graf_Westerholt is playing 0 A.D.
[16:56] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:56] <Slartibartfast13> But I think if I installed it, it would create a directory on my hard drive to run, another reason why I abandoned the idea of installing it
[16:59] <BluesKaj> no it won't unless you install it to an OS while running in the OS
[17:00] <adsmz> so I ran a few weeks of overdue updates on my kubuntu 14.04 laptop, and now my wireless card doesn't work
[17:01] <adsmz> after a restart
[17:02] <BluesKaj> adsmz, which wifi chip?
[17:02] <adsmz> I have no clue, lemme google it
[17:04] <adsmz> or is there some way to check it?
[17:06] <BluesKaj> adsmz, open a terminal, sudo lshw -C network , look under Wireless Interface,  product
[17:08] <adsmz> two lists came up: *-network UNCLAIMED and *-network
[17:08] <adsmz> they both show different products
[17:10] <BluesKaj> adsmz, do you see network manager in the system tray ?
[17:11] <adsmz> I see a network controller (the UNCLAIMED thing), and an ethernet interface
[17:12] <BluesKaj>  is there vendor under unclaimed
[17:13] <adsmz> Qualcomm Atheros
[17:14] <BluesKaj> what does the ethernet vendor show
[17:14] <adsmz> Marvell Technology Group Ltd.
[17:23] <Slartibartfast13> These are the installation instructions for Other-Life:
[17:23] <Slartibartfast13> http://pastebin.com/7J1WX8Cx
[17:23] <Slartibartfast13> The only part of these instructions for installing Other-Life, that I don't understand, is the following:
[17:23] <Slartibartfast13>  Set the execute bit on the executable programs (*bin):
[17:23] <Slartibartfast13>  chmod +x *bin
[17:24] <Slartibartfast13> Is that a command line I need to enter in the command terminal, and at what point during the installation do I enter it?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> adsmz, sorry I can't locate a wifi driver marvel newer than ubuntu 12.04 , and I have some errands to do for the next few hrs so I have to leave
[17:30] <adsmz> sorry, craptop crashed
[17:33] <adsmz> so any idea what to do about my network issues?
[17:35] <adsmz> BluesKaj?
[17:37] <adsmz> ok then
[17:39] <adsmz> I'm having trouble with my wifi. I seem to be unable to turn on the wifi hardware.
[17:41] <adsmz> sudo lshw -C network returns a network controler labeled uncalled, vendor is Qualcomm Atheros (this is marked UNCLAIMED); it also returns an ethernet interface, vendor is Marvell Technology Group Ltd.
[17:41] <adsmz> *not labeled uncalled, disregard that
[17:46] <adsmz> anyone able to help?
[17:47] <kubuntu_> test
[17:47] <adsmz> you're coming through
[17:48] <kubuntu_> I accidentally parted from the default Freenode channel
[17:48] <kubuntu_> and I can't get it back
[20:40] <vedu> I just ran an apt-get upgrade and now kubuntu is not starting
[20:41] <vedu> Only when I goto recovery mode -> resume it starts with a lot of features missing
[20:47] <soee> vedu: are you sure you did not removed any important packages during upgrade ?
[20:48] <vedu> I am not sure. I do not remember the output of it
[20:48] <vedu> soee: But seems unlikely
[20:50] <soee> do you have any erros ?
[20:50] <lordievader> vedu: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[20:51] <vedu> soee: yes there were a few errors but the final output seemed ok
[20:51] <vedu> lordievader: thanks :)
[20:54] <vedu> Since I am able to use the recovery mode -> resume version of kubuntu I think I have a graphics card driver problem
[20:54] <soee> if there were errors how the final output be ok ? :)
[20:54] <soee> lordievader: wasnt the lightdm broken by lastest nvidia ?
[20:55] <vedu> soee: in some "processing triggers ... " there were errors in between but in the end no ERROR message was shown
[20:55] <vedu> let me check
[21:32] <kubuntu> When I tried to turn off my PC to exit my Kubuntu Live CD, it asked me if I want to suspend RAM.  What does that do?
[21:33] <Slartibartfast13> Did you see my message when I was named "kubuntu"?
[21:34] <Slartibartfast13> How do you properly exit from a Kubuntu Live CD?
[21:35] <Slartibartfast13> When I used the Xubuntu Live CD, it automatically asked me to remove the CD when I tried to shut off, then it automatically shut off when I pressed return
[21:35] <Slartibartfast13> But the Kubuntu Live CD asked me to suspend my RAM when I tried to shut off the PC
[21:36] <Slartibartfast13> So I am not sure how to shut off the Kubuntu Live CD, so that I can reboot the PC into Windows XP
[21:45] <Slartibartfast13> I typed the following in the #ubuntu channel...Will suspending the RAM help me shut down the live CD, so I can remove the live Kubuntu CD, and then clear my RAM, so I can reboot into Windows?
[21:45] <Slartibartfast13> Posted it here, cause I got no response
[21:46] <rberg_> never heard of that.. usually the cd asks you to remove the installer media and hit enter to reboot
[21:49] <Slartibartfast13> I clicked on the big K icon, then Leave
[21:49] <rberg_> from there you can select sleep, shutdown, or reboot..
[21:49] <Slartibartfast13> May be I installed too much
[21:50] <Slartibartfast13> What does suspend RAM do?
[21:50] <rberg_> maybe you accidentally double clicked and didnt notice you hit suspend
[21:51] <Slartibartfast13> No, it asked me to suspend when I tried to shut down with >Leave
[21:51] <rberg_> suspend to ram puts the laptop to sleep while keeping the ram active so you can resume where you were
[21:52] <Slartibartfast13> it's a desktop PC
[21:52] <rberg_> err computer not specifically a laptop
[21:52] <lordievader> soee: That was fixed yesterday, or so I've heard.
[21:53] <Slartibartfast13> Ok, so suspending RAM is a bad idea, because I want the RAM to get cleared before I reboot into Windows
[21:53] <lordievader> Slartibartfast13: You wont be able to boot into windows when you suspend.
[21:53] <rberg_> if you suspend if will go right back to linux when you hit the power button.. I would try that then try and hit reboot again
[21:54] <Slartibartfast13> But I can just >leave shut down without suspending RAM, refuse suspending RAM, so I can let it automatically clear the RAM, right?
[21:55] <lordievader> Slartibartfast13: What do you mean? Shutdown? Reboot?
[21:55] <rberg_> yeah shutdown should power the computer off and not suspend to ram
[21:56] <Slartibartfast13> But it never asked me to remove the CD  when I tried to shut down
[21:57] <Slartibartfast13> When should I remove the CD?
[21:57] <lordievader> Slartibartfast13: Do you run the live-cd?
[21:57] <Slartibartfast13> The live CD is still inside my optical drive tray and Kubuntu LIve CD is running now
[21:58] <Slartibartfast13> But I want to shut everything down and remove the CD, so I can boot into Windows later
[21:59] <lordievader> Slartibartfast13: Then it should wait for you to open the tray and remove the disc before continueing the shutdown/reboot process.
[21:59] <lordievader> Perhaps it only prompts at reboot though.
[22:02] <Slartibartfast13> Ok, I'll just try shutting it down again, and let my PC decide when to remove the CD
[22:04] <lordievader> Slartibartfast13: You can remove it manually...
[22:04] <Slartibartfast13> This tray is annoying on this Pavilion PC.  It never opens or stays open unless the OS is running and waiting for me
[22:05] <Slartibartfast13> Well, I mean the Windows OS has to be fully booted up to alow me to open the tray without closing up a second later
[22:05] <Slartibartfast13> it's Windows XP
[22:06] <Slartibartfast13> You mean remove the CD before I shut down Kubuntu Live CD?
[22:09] <lordievader> Slartibartfast13: No remove it at the BIOS POST.
[22:11] <Slartibartfast13> POST?
[22:12] <Slartibartfast13> That would be after Kubuntu has shut down and it's rebooting into BIOS?
[22:13] <TJ-> Slartibartfast13: POST == Power On Self Test - the process that a PC goes through each time it is powered on, or restarted
[22:14] <Slartibartfast13> YEah, I think it does that in BIOS, cause BIOS is reading my Master Boot Record, I assume
[22:14] <lordievader> Slartibartfast13: The POST gives you enough time to remove the disc ;)
[22:14] <lordievader> Slartibartfast13: No, that's after the POST. The POST is meant to check basic functionality.
[22:14] <Slartibartfast13> Ok, this is good, thanks
[22:16] <TJ-> BIOS == Basic Input Output System, is the firmware that is executed the moment the CPU beings operating. It configures the basic hardware, does the POST, then handles the boot device selection and loading the boot-loader from disk into memory, before handing over control of the CPU to the boot-loader
[22:20] <Slartibartfast13> TJ, your explanation is very clear and certainly explains a lot for me
[22:21] <Slartibartfast13> Your explanation also helps me understand more about how a dual boot system would work
[22:23] <Slartibartfast13> Instead of shutting it down, I will try restarting, so i can get that live CD out at some point
[22:24] <Slartibartfast13> then I'll go take a shower, thanks