[11:10] <wolfger> morning
[11:27] <rick_h_> morniung
[14:45] <cmaloney> Morning
[14:53] <cmaloney> Yay, my keyboard showed up again. :)
[14:53] <cmaloney> So now I have my keyobard good as new.
[14:53] <cmaloney> I think they replaced the switches on it.
[14:53] <cmaloney> Feels pretty new.
[14:54] <rick_h_> woot
[14:54] <cmaloney> yeah
[14:54] <cmaloney> Makes me happy. :)
[14:56] <widox>  cmaloney your leopold broke?
[15:10] <cmaloney> widox: It was giving me ghost keypresses.
[15:11] <wolfger> Ooh... haunted keyboard.
[15:18] <widox> fun
[15:19] <widox> I get double presses sometimes - kind of annoying
[15:19] <cmaloney> widox: Check and see if you still have warranty coverage
[15:28] <rick_h_> yayayayayay http://r.bmark.us/u/cb2e24e3d9e209
[15:28] <rick_h_> jcastro ran away and doesn't want to see it
[15:33] <cmaloney> Yeah, people are crowing about it
[15:49] <wolfger> That's awesome news
[16:25] <trevlar> somebody just opened a pull request with this line: "cat /dev/null > newfile.txt"
[16:25] <trevlar> would there be a reason to do that instead of just touch?
[16:28] <wolfger> just to be cute?
[16:29] <wolfger> I can't think of any reason
[16:35] <trevlar> yeah before I said something I wanted to check
[16:37] <wolfger> rewrite it as "ls /dev/null >> newfile.txt"? :-D
[16:42] <cmaloney> echo -n > newfile.txt
[16:43] <cmaloney> trevlar: Only reason I can think of is if touch is not installed on a machine
[16:43] <cmaloney> which I'd consider a bug
[16:43] <cmaloney> also: touch won't empty a file, it'll just change the timestamp
[16:43] <cmaloney> whereas cat / echo will create new files
[16:44] <cmaloney> bah, that's the reason right there.
[16:44] <cmaloney> ^
[16:45] <trevlar> cmaloney: ah yep
[16:47] <cmaloney> I don't always have brain farts but when I do everyone gets to enjoy the smell
[16:47] <cmaloney> or something like that.
[16:48] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Bookiebot is awol again?
[16:51] <mrgoodcat> i'm sure he is
[16:51] <mrgoodcat> i've been having networking issues
[16:51] <mrgoodcat> hang on
[16:54] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[16:54] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Enjoy The Pain by 16volt on American Porn Songs
[16:54] <cmaloney> tx
[16:54] <mrgoodcat> np
[16:55] <jrwren> trevlar: if touch does not exist?
[16:56] <trevlar> jrwren: it does. the line in question is in a provisioning script for an ubuntu 14.04 image for vagrant
[16:57] <trevlar> I think cmaloney is right. to empty the file if it already exists
[17:02] <jrwren> yes, he is. I had not caught up.
[17:04] <wolfger> oh, silly me. I forgot how cat worked. Too long away from the CLI.
[17:04] <wolfger> My suggested alternate would be a touch replacement though.
[17:05] <wolfger> plus create the file if the file did not already exist
[17:13] <mrgoodcat> it may seem like a small victory but i have to share it. i got my chromebook running arch with no issues at all that i can see
[17:13] <mrgoodcat> personal victory
[17:14] <mrgoodcat> had to compile 3.17-rc4 myself though since 3.16 doesn't support my touchpad
[17:14] <brousch_> Arch? We care only about Ubuntu here.
[17:15] <mrgoodcat> fine
[17:15] <mrgoodcat> linux
[17:15] <mrgoodcat> happy?
[17:15] <mrgoodcat> GNU/Linux
[17:15] <jrwren> that is a pretty new kernel.
[17:16] <mrgoodcat> yep
[17:16] <jrwren> I'm still running 3.11 and 14.04 only ships 3.13
[17:16] <mrgoodcat> 3.17 is the first with support for the c720 hardware
[17:17] <brousch_> chromebook already is Linux!
[17:18] <jrwren> so is android, but its not a good linux.
[17:19] <brousch_> Chromebook is more Linuxy
[17:19] <rick_h_> how?!
[17:19] <brousch_> You can get a shell
[17:19] <mrgoodcat> chromebook is pretty good linux actually
[17:19] <rick_h_> because it has a terminal hidden away?
[17:20]  * rick_h_ is cranky and grumbly today watch out
[17:20] <mrgoodcat> you can install ubuntu in a chroot on it
[17:20] <brousch_> And install chroots. Oh wait, you can do that on Android too
[17:20] <rick_h_> oh wtf you guys are crazy
[17:20] <rick_h_> just because I can put linux on a calculator and run `ls` doesn't mean people with that calculator are 'running linux' or 'linux users'
[17:21] <brousch_> rick_h_: Who peed in your coffee today?
[17:21] <rick_h_> brousch_: I  don't know. It's just been peed in
[17:21] <rick_h_> and I'm unhappy about it all :P
[17:21] <brousch_> Hung over from Apple Day?
[17:22] <rick_h_> who? no I didn't eat any apples today
[17:22] <rick_h_> that whole company can go diaf and I don't care. They could release a flying self driving car and I'd still not care.
[17:23] <brousch_> But ... CUPS!
[17:23] <rick_h_> if I want to print I go to the printers
[17:24] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: chromeos is a gentoo derivation
[17:24] <mrgoodcat> i thought CUPS was maintained by apache now?
[17:24] <cmaloney> If there's no compiling then it's not gentoo stylin'
[17:24] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: that's nice, but so are fridges out there, and tvs, that doesn't make them linux users
[17:24] <brousch_> OK, I'm actually having trouble coming up with another thing Apple does that a Linux user cares remotely about
[17:25] <cmaloney> sue companies?
[17:25] <mrgoodcat> I'm having trouble figuring out why chrome isn't linux
[17:25] <brousch_> ChromeOS is Linux!
[17:25] <cmaloney> chromeos is not a linux distribution
[17:25] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: why not?
[17:25] <rick_h_> chromeos is a tv
[17:25] <rick_h_> and that tv is pointed at one channel, www.xxx.com carry on
[17:26] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I can't install applications on ChromeOS, I can install applications into Chrome
[17:26] <jrwren> or course it is linux, so is android, that does not make it good or usable.
[17:26] <jrwren> an IBM san switch is linux.
[17:26] <jrwren> Linux is everywhere.
[17:26] <mrgoodcat> https://dyladan.me/#!blog/c720-compile.md
[17:26] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/gvxG4J - MDwiki
[17:26] <cmaloney> Like the Buddha
[17:27] <brousch_> Ut oh, we pissed off jcastro
[17:28] <mrgoodcat> what makes you think that?
[17:28] <brousch_> He left, but came back
[17:29] <mrgoodcat> ah. i have quits and such ignored
[17:31] <brousch_> mrgoodcat: So the c720 touchpad is included in that newer kernel?
[17:32] <mrgoodcat> yea
[17:33] <brousch_> Shitty smartwatch app idea: Display ads on your wrist for money
[17:33] <mrgoodcat> was contributed by the chrome team so it works like a charm
[17:33] <brousch_> nice
[17:33] <brousch_> Like a juju charm?
[17:33] <mrgoodcat> not quite
[17:34] <mrgoodcat> problem is now i'm using a custom compiled kernel i have to watch for security updates if i want them then i have to recompile
[17:34] <cmaloney> But Linux is unbreakable
[17:34] <mrgoodcat> oh yea i forgot
[17:35] <mrgoodcat> forgive me if i still watch the security mailing list
[17:37] <cmaloney> Hey, when people are out to get you paranoia is only good thinking.
[17:41] <wolfger> Did somebody say Gentoo? :-D
[17:41] <mrgoodcat> lol
[17:41] <mrgoodcat> yes gentoo was mentioned
[17:42] <wolfger> Gentoo FTW!
[17:43] <wolfger> compile all the source code!
[17:44] <mrgoodcat> i had to compile the kernel this morning
[17:44] <mrgoodcat> if i ever was going to use gentoo, that killed any chance of me ever actually doing it
[17:44] <mrgoodcat> compile on my 2GB, 2 core chromebook
[17:45] <mrgoodcat> celeron 2955U
[17:46] <brousch_> I just looked. There are approx 250 fart apps in the Play store, but no app to make a sound to cover up an actual fart
[17:46] <wolfger> Yeah... I used to love doing that stuff. Then one day I realized I had better things to do with my time than wait for a bunch of updates to compile on a near-daily basis.
[17:46] <wolfger> brousch_: no sound will cover up a fart
[17:47] <brousch_> a cough!
[17:49] <brousch_> So I'm thinking about a smartwatch app that turns up your phone's volume and sets off your ring tone. You would use this to cover up the sound of a fart
[17:50] <rick_h_> brousch_: it needs to be motion triggered.
[17:50] <rick_h_> if you shake your arm around like a monkey it activates
[17:50] <brousch_> Like trigger it by waving your hand back and forth like you are disbursing a bad odor?
[17:50] <brousch_> dispersing
[17:51] <brousch_> I don't think that's necessary. It will look like you are just checking your watch
[17:51] <wolfger> Need a good mercury switch and have it triggered by lifting one butt cheek
[17:52] <wolfger> of course, it would probably then go off every time you move at all
[17:52] <brousch_> Which is more socially awkward? Letting a loud fart or your phone going off at full volume?
[17:55] <wolfger> Well, once you establish the pattern that your phone rings loudly and the room immediately stinks....
[17:55] <wolfger> It's lose-lose
[17:58] <cmaloney> You'd need to have a colon sensor
[17:58] <rick_h_> CHC tonight party people
[17:58] <cmaloney> woo woo
[17:58] <rick_h_> reminder reminder reminder
[17:59] <brousch_> rick_h_: Was it cmaloney's colon comment that triggered your CHC reminder?
[18:00] <rick_h_> brousch_: or just I can't wait for today to be over and to get there
[18:00] <cmaloney> I'm not sure which scares me more: code that doesn't work, or code that seems to work the first time.
[18:02] <cmaloney> https://bmark.us/bmark/readable/fa31be86e53d10
[18:03] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[18:03] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Scin by I:Scintilla on The Approach
[18:09] <akelling> Streaming music?
[18:17] <cmaloney> akelling: Local collection
[18:18] <akelling> o okay
[18:18] <cmaloney> http://mp3tribute.com/
[18:18] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/YIO7gO - #MP3Tribute
[18:18] <cmaloney> You can pick the album (and others) from this site.
[18:20] <akelling> Thanks
[18:20] <cmaloney> np
[18:20] <greg-g> "All albums are released under a Creative Commons BY NC ND 3.0 license by their respective artists."
[18:20] <greg-g> :/ "good enough" I guess
[18:21] <cmaloney> good enough? :)
[18:21] <cmaloney> I think that's flipping awesome. :)
[18:21] <jrwren> CC0 or death.
[18:21] <greg-g> :)
[18:22] <cmaloney> jrwren: Hope you enjoy the early part of the 20th century
[18:22] <jrwren> i'm j/k of course.
[18:23] <cmaloney> jesus, today must be international petiton / call in day.
[18:23] <greg-g> what else?
[18:23] <cmaloney> Citizens United, Internet Slowdown
[18:23] <cmaloney> Tell Scott Walker he's a dick
[18:23] <mrgoodcat> !sms gary lol n00b
[18:24] <mrgoodcat> damn wrong channel
[18:32] <wolfger> doh
[18:37] <jrwren> it must be, since I'm volonteering at a phone bank tonight :)
[18:54] <wolfger> vogonteering? Is that where you go around writing deadly bad poetry?
[18:56] <jrwren> Maybe. It is definitely not where one learns to spell.