| Noskcaj-school | Just a quick "survey", is xubuntu still ok for upower 0.99 this cycle? ubuntu's stuff finally supports it, so darkxst and i have a giant FFe to make | 01:16 |
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| Noskcaj-school | bluesabre, ochosi ^ | 01:19 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: Yeah, if everything can support it with minor changes or just a rebuild, we can probably proceed with it. | 02:33 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: do you agree? | 02:33 |
| Unit193 | I believe Debian had only partial support in one of the packages, at least saw a bug about it. | 02:37 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, Pretty much all is sorted in debian already | 06:32 |
| Noskcaj | it should be just rebuilds | 06:33 |
| elfy | I really should write stuff down or remember it - but as I didn't and don't - how do I apply this patch to test it xfce 11134 | 06:34 |
| ubottu | xfce bug 11134 in General "Desktop Settings Infobar gives move option when unavailable" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11134 | 06:34 |
| elfy | hi Noskcaj | 06:35 |
| Noskcaj | hey elfy | 06:35 |
| Noskcaj | download the source, copy patch in, build it, install, test | 06:35 |
| Noskcaj | 5 minutes work | 06:36 |
| elfy | right | 06:36 |
| elfy | you'd make an awesome teacher | 06:36 |
| Noskcaj | ha | 06:36 |
| Noskcaj | bzr branch lp:ubuntu/xfdesktop4 | 06:36 |
| Noskcaj | copy the patch to xfdesktop4/debian/patches/thingy.patch | 06:37 |
| elfy | so why can't you just patch the installed version | 06:37 |
| Noskcaj | Add thingy.patch to xfdesktop4/debian/patches/series | 06:37 |
| Noskcaj | elfy, because compilers | 06:37 |
| elfy | nvm then Noskcaj - I'm not going to doing all that | 06:38 |
| Noskcaj | then run "quilt push" "bzr add" "bzr-buildpackage" | 06:38 |
| Noskcaj | then install your new binary | 06:38 |
| Noskcaj | easy | 06:38 |
| Noskcaj | I can make it if you need, then you just add ppa:noskcaj/staging | 06:39 |
| Unit193 | Erm, why all that? Just apt-get source it and drop the patch in. | 06:42 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, In case he was on !utopic | 06:43 |
| Noskcaj | and it's not that much of a difference in workload, really | 06:44 |
| Unit193 | Sure, no quilt or bzr* commands. Anywho, it's moot either way. | 06:45 |
| elfy | very moot | 06:45 |
| * Unit193 moos at elfy. | 06:46 | |
| elfy | why can't I patch < foo.patch | 06:46 |
| Noskcaj | *moots | 06:46 |
| Unit193 | elfy: You could do that too, yep. | 06:46 |
| Unit193 | sudo apt-get build-dep xfdesktop4 && apt-get source xfdesktop4 to get all the build deps and source. | 06:47 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Either of us could pop it into a package, or if you wait until tomorrow I can do the entire test. | 06:50 |
| elfy | \o/ lightdm .9 ->"Don't check the logind CanGraphical seat property ..." | 06:50 |
| Unit193 | \o/ | 06:51 |
| elfy | Unit193: it's morning so I'm a bit meh - and that was much too much writing for me to find the requisite amount of care :p | 06:51 |
| elfy | hopefully todays image will in fact boot :) | 06:52 |
| elfy | properly | 06:52 |
| ochosi | bluesabre, Noskcaj: well frankly it doesn't make me very happy. upower0.99 is fairly different (even if there are more features partly) and is largely untested within xfce, so it's quite risky – especially because I have no idea whether we can get any resulting bugs fixed in time for the release | 07:13 |
| Noskcaj | ochosi, The downside is it means ubuntu-gnome is stuck with a release from the start of last year | 07:13 |
| Noskcaj | and some stuff from earlier | 07:14 |
| Noskcaj | but if you are worried about it, say so and the FFe won't go through | 07:14 |
| ochosi | well yeah, i am slightly worried, i haven't given any of the xfce components in question any testing with upower0.99 | 07:14 |
| ochosi | and i do expect some oddities | 07:15 |
| ochosi | those that tested that combination were mostly on other distros | 07:15 |
| ochosi | have you tested any of it? | 07:15 |
| ochosi | if we get enough testing before the FFe goes through, i'd probably be fine with it though | 07:15 |
| ochosi | (but i'm not so optimistic about that going down) | 07:16 |
| ochosi | bbabl | 07:16 |
| Noskcaj | ochosi, i'm setting up a complete testing PPA, so (elfy) would we be able to get some testing on that? | 07:17 |
| elfy | ha | 07:19 |
| elfy | you can set it up - I can ask people to test it - but don't count on any getting done | 07:19 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 07:21 |
| elfy | Noskcaj: hah - I knew it - tried all that ^^ bzr: ERROR: The build failed. | 07:32 |
| elfy | bbl | 07:33 |
| Noskcaj | pastebin the log? | 07:34 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: sure would be cool if some super minor issue (typo, spacing, etc) was found and fixed to make the git revision +1 so this builds https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+recipe/xfpm-daily | 08:37 |
| bluesabre | >.> | 08:37 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i can look into that | 08:42 |
| ochosi | basically need to scan the buildlogs? | 08:43 |
| bluesabre | it will build on next git change | 08:43 |
| ochosi | oh | 08:43 |
| ochosi | now i get what you mean | 08:43 |
| bluesabre | so if something changes in xfpm, we're good to go ;) | 08:43 |
| ochosi | can't you just manually schedule a rebuild? | 08:43 |
| bluesabre | (unless you break xfpm) | 08:43 |
| bluesabre | the version numbers fail | 08:43 |
| ochosi | we're not planning to, no :) | 08:43 |
| ochosi | oh, hmpf | 08:43 |
| ochosi | i see | 08:43 |
| ochosi | will see whether i find something minor | 08:43 |
| bluesabre | translation maybe? | 08:44 |
| ochosi | today in the afternoon i might have an hour or two for FOSS | 08:44 |
| ochosi | that'd be ideal | 08:44 |
| ochosi | i've been planning to send a call for translations out today anyway | 08:44 |
| bluesabre | I usually cheat and add/remove/edit TODO | 08:44 |
| ochosi | but i can ask some italians to complete the translation directly | 08:44 |
| bluesabre | there you go | 08:44 |
| bluesabre | they're a friendly group (the g+ folks) | 08:44 |
| ochosi | indeed | 08:44 |
| ochosi | ok, asked and already got a confirmation that it'll be done today :) | 08:48 |
| bluesabre | awesome | 08:48 |
| bluesabre | so is xfpm done then? | 08:48 |
| ochosi | pretty much | 08:49 |
| ochosi | note: there'll always be bugs :) | 08:50 |
| ochosi | but we wanna do a release at some point | 08:50 |
| ochosi | and now that we also support lxpanel 0.7 i think it's time | 08:50 |
| bluesabre | sweet | 08:58 |
| bluesabre | probably a good time for then for a translations call | 08:58 |
| bluesabre | though the xfce projects are really good about getting translated without poking people | 08:59 |
| bluesabre | its that because of something with transifex that notifies the translators? | 08:59 |
| ochosi | i guess | 09:02 |
| ochosi | but xfce has had a strong community of translators for a long time | 09:02 |
| bluesabre | I see | 09:02 |
| ochosi | so even before the move to transifex.com translations were flowing in pretty constantly | 09:02 |
| ochosi | (at least from what i remember) | 09:02 |
| ochosi | meeting-time, bbiab | 09:02 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: btw, one note: i've tested the desktop icon sizes a bit more over the last two weeks (since we first had that discussion), and i'd like us to go for 48px/64px (icon/tooltip) | 09:09 |
| ochosi | mostly 48px isn't so much bigger, it crops the strings less and it's consistent with thunar | 09:09 |
| brainwash | back to 48px, hooray | 09:09 |
| ochosi | :) | 09:09 |
| ochosi | well, a bit of back and forth is okay to test things out imo | 09:10 |
| ochosi | it also means that the tooltip isn't so huge | 09:10 |
| ochosi | i mean in comparison to the icon | 09:10 |
| bluesabre | ok, poke the others and get their thoughts | 09:10 |
| ochosi | you mean everyone in !team? :) | 09:10 |
| bluesabre | I'm also in favor | 09:10 |
| brainwash | still wondering, why we've changed it from 48 to 32 in the first place | 09:11 |
| bluesabre | we're flexible | 09:11 |
| bluesabre | :) | 09:11 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: reminder: icon-theme | 09:12 |
| bluesabre | knome: reminder: wallpaper | 09:12 |
| bluesabre | As usual, I'll take care of these uploads this evening :) | 09:17 |
| ochosi | brainwash, bluesabre: the switch to 32px was made because there was a MR by Unit193 :) | 10:02 |
| ochosi | and i felt we could try it out | 10:02 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: translations have already been added in transifex for xfpm, so i guess they'll land in the next hours | 10:05 |
| brainwash | still strange, we've just changed them to 48px in trusty, even upstream :D | 10:06 |
| brainwash | sneaky MR | 10:06 |
| elfy | woohoo images boot in vm now | 11:58 |
| elfy | pleia2: ^^ | 11:58 |
| bluesabre | yay1 | 11:59 |
| elfy | more than 1 :p | 11:59 |
| bluesabre | yay1+ | 11:59 |
| elfy | not looking for anymore booting issues till 15.04 | 12:00 |
| * bluesabre notes this | 12:01 | |
| ochosi | :) | 12:06 |
| ochosi | good good | 12:06 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i'll do another update of the icon-theme this afternoon | 12:06 |
| ochosi | so tonight you'll have it ready | 12:06 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: great | 12:06 |
| ochosi | don't think there'll be anything to do for themes | 12:06 |
| bluesabre | elfy: have an opinion on desktop icon size 32 -> 48? | 12:06 |
| elfy | hi ochosi | 12:07 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: also, the commit in xfpm has already landed from transifex, so that build should work now | 12:07 |
| ochosi | hey elfy | 12:07 |
| elfy | bluesabre: well - my opinion is that *anything* bigger than 22px is wrong :) | 12:07 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: cool, I'll poke the builders | 12:07 |
| elfy | so not the best person to ask :) | 12:07 |
| bluesabre | elfy: 22px for desktop icons it is | 12:07 |
| bluesabre | :P | 12:07 |
| elfy | works for me :) | 12:08 |
| ochosi | hehe | 12:08 |
| bluesabre | [fileman icon] | 12:08 |
| bluesabre | Fi... | 12:08 |
| ochosi | elfy doesn't seem to have a hidpi screen :> | 12:08 |
| knome | bluesabre, yeah yeah... | 12:08 |
| elfy | ochosi: lol | 12:09 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: what's your take on upower0.99 btw? | 12:12 |
| bluesabre | well, xfce4.12 is supposed to freeze right about now | 12:12 |
| ochosi | freeze? | 12:13 |
| bluesabre | so, finding upower issues now would be very beneficial for upstream | 12:13 |
| bluesabre | "freeze"ish | 12:13 |
| ochosi | right | 12:13 |
| bluesabre | the others were talking about it a few weeks back | 12:13 |
| ochosi | yeah, but the question is what do we do if things break | 12:13 |
| ochosi | we're quite late in the cycle | 12:13 |
| elfy | so - would it not be better to be finding them at the beginning of the next cycle so there's months rather than weeks to deal with it? | 12:13 |
| ochosi | elfy: yeah, that's the point i'm implicitely making (also said that to Noskcaj) | 12:14 |
| bluesabre | right | 12:14 |
| elfy | I'm blunter :) | 12:14 |
| bluesabre | but I think there are not very many packages affected by it, but I'm not going to make the call on my own | 12:14 |
| ochosi | i mean there was all cycle for the transition to be done and while i understand that it might be nice for ubuntu-gnome to get 3.12, i'm not 100% willing to take the risk | 12:15 |
| bluesabre | we can almost guarantee that package testing will be less than desirable | 12:15 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, i was wanting to ask you for the same reason ;) | 12:15 |
| elfy | should be perhaps a release team decision | 12:15 |
| ochosi | yup, here we are :) | 12:15 |
| elfy | oh - I'd not noticed :D | 12:15 |
| bluesabre | :) | 12:15 |
| ochosi | so yeah, *theoretically* everything should work in xfce | 12:15 |
| ochosi | the affected components are (at least) xfpm, xfce4-settings and xfce4-session | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | I'm willing to work towards any fixes, wife is working weekends through the next release | 12:16 |
| elfy | I'm certainly not at all enamoured with the idea of chucking something that could break things - given that we are getting very little in the way of testing | 12:16 |
| ochosi | the session-support is still very fresh btw | 12:16 |
| ochosi | but it's in git master | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | we could start with tossing it into -staging or using Noskcaj's ppa | 12:16 |
| bluesabre | get a larger amount of -team to just install it and see what breakages we may find | 12:17 |
| ochosi | yup, that'd be fine with me | 12:17 |
| * bluesabre also thinks that all of -team should be on utopic now if they are not already | 12:17 | |
| elfy | I've not got an issue with doing that - if we can get people to test it, but then that's necessarily going to drop it even further into the future | 12:17 |
| ochosi | one thing though, those would have to be hardware installs | 12:17 |
| ochosi | VM doesn't help with upower at all | 12:17 |
| ochosi | (i mean it helps a bit, but not that much) | 12:17 |
| elfy | agreed | 12:18 |
| bluesabre | s/install/install on their normal machines | 12:18 |
| ochosi | elfy: yeah, that means putting it on hold | 12:18 |
| elfy | I've got to go again now - bbl | 12:18 |
| ochosi | sure, ttyl elfy | 12:18 |
| elfy | ochosi: yea | 12:18 |
| bluesabre | heading out too... I'll follow up on backlog when I get back. | 12:19 |
| elfy | anyway - if we decide todayish - I'm -1 to that this late unless we get cast iron guarantees on fixes being able to land | 12:19 |
| ochosi | haha, well i won't continue the discussion alone :D | 12:19 |
| elfy | lol | 12:19 |
| ochosi | and anyway, it's about lunchtime, so i don't mind if we continue this later | 12:19 |
| elfy | I can be about later tonight - later elfy time I mean - rather than wandering off early evening | 12:20 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: who all would be affected? is upower only used by gtk desktops? | 12:20 |
| ochosi | elfy: well fixes being able to land is one thing, we can't get guarantees on fixes being written though i guess | 12:20 |
| ochosi | i think there's a big bugreport that lists all components | 12:20 |
| ochosi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/1330037 | 12:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1330037 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "upower 0.99 transition" [Undecided,In progress] | 12:21 |
| bluesabre | also, has it landed in debian yet? I know that they were working towards that | 12:21 |
| ochosi | yeah, it should land in the next debian | 12:21 |
| ochosi | (afaik) | 12:22 |
| bluesabre | nice | 12:22 |
| ochosi | so all desktops are affected, incl unity, kde, gnome-variants and xfce | 12:22 |
| bluesabre | that affects almost everybody | 12:22 |
| ochosi | heck, even razorqt | 12:22 |
| bluesabre | this does not seem like a good idea... | 12:22 |
| bluesabre | and not one that we can make on our own | 12:22 |
| ochosi | since it affects xfpm, it also affects lxde | 12:22 |
| bluesabre | (and that we better not be left out of either) | 12:22 |
| ochosi | yeah, we can only chip in our 2cents | 12:23 |
| ochosi | imo we should sit down tonight and write up a common release-team statement, explaining why we're -1 on this | 12:23 |
| ochosi | (if we are, but as we're all rather on the sceptical side...) | 12:24 |
| bluesabre | it only affects a few xfce components, so its not quite as dangerous for us | 12:24 |
| bluesabre | but it looks like the gnome packages aren't even completely patched yet | 12:25 |
| ochosi | ehem... | 12:25 |
| * ochosi clears throught | 12:25 | |
| ochosi | session and powerman and settings are quite central components | 12:25 |
| bluesabre | and other affected desktops have not touched | 12:25 |
| ochosi | so while they aren't many... | 12:25 |
| bluesabre | right | 12:25 |
| bluesabre | they are a big deal | 12:25 |
| ochosi | tbh i haven't worked on upower0.99 personally | 12:26 |
| ochosi | eric has handled all of that | 12:26 |
| ochosi | and he has done so in all the aforementioned components | 12:26 |
| ochosi | so maybe we should interview him on this issue | 12:26 |
| bluesabre | this affects too many desktop this late in the cycle, and the fixes aren't around for several desktops, I doubt the request would be granted | 12:26 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 12:26 |
| ochosi | yeah, i think ubuntu-gnome is mostly pushing this forward (otherwise no 3.12) | 12:26 |
| bluesabre | anyhoo, dragging behind here, gotta run | 12:27 |
| ochosi | yup, me too | 12:27 |
| ochosi | hf and ttyl | 12:27 |
| pleia2 | elfy: yay re: booting in vm | 12:27 |
| bluesabre | but yeah, confirm with eric what testing may have been done, and let's do a spot check at least on hw, if we're remotely interested | 12:36 |
| slickymasterWork | !team | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2243667 | 15:17 |
| slickymasterWork | sutpid bot | 15:19 |
| knome | slickymasterWork, lol | 16:43 |
| slickymasterWork | knome: :) | 16:45 |
| * knome just finished the evening work session | 16:45 | |
| slickymasterWork | knome do you think you'll have some time this weekend so we can start on the docs networking section for the new NetworkManager? | 16:47 |
| knome | probably.. or you could file a bug about it and jack might fix it before we get to it | 16:48 |
| slickymasterWork | lol, that's an idea | 16:48 |
| slickymasterWork | did you get to see the forum thread, knome? | 16:50 |
| knome | yep, looked at it | 16:51 |
| slickymasterWork | it's nice | 16:51 |
| knome | yep | 16:51 |
| brainwash | ochosi: can lls 1.4 be used in trusty? | 17:24 |
| brainwash | someone is asking for a fully translated lls http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/light-locker-einstellungen-auf-deutsch/ | 17:25 |
| slickymasterWork | knome, what exactly isn't up to date in the docs, wrt new NetworkManager? | 17:38 |
| knome | somebody said it's going to change | 17:40 |
| knome | can't remember who, but i can try to dig it up tomorrow | 17:40 |
| slickymasterWork | aren't we going to ship the same nm-applet? | 17:40 |
| ochosi | knome: i think that was Unit193 | 17:40 |
| knome | iirc, there was going to be a new version or sth | 17:40 |
| knome | who knows! | 17:40 |
| knome | :) | 17:40 |
| slickymasterWork | and who, thne, added that item to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-docs? | 17:41 |
| slickymasterWork | s/thne/then | 17:41 |
| ochosi | brainwash: theoretically it should work even with xfpm <1.3, so also in trusty (but i haven' tested) | 17:42 |
| slickymasterWork | I just have been through today's daily, and as far as I can tell, nothing there is different from what is present in the networking section of the documentation | 17:42 |
| slickymasterWork | I mean the nm-applet | 17:42 |
| slickymasterWork | Unit193, care to enlighten me on this, pretty please ^^^ | 17:43 |
| slickymasterWork | ochosi, the reason there hasn't been no progress on http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfpm-docs:start is because I'm in a fight with myself about installing xfce4-power-manager 1.3.2-0ubuntu2 in my main computer :P | 17:50 |
| slickymasterWork | I don't feel like wrecking it, but it's the only choice I have to do it on real hardware | 17:51 |
| ochosi | slickymasterWork: if you need screenshots for the tabs, i can do them for you | 17:53 |
| ochosi | i guess you only need 1.3.2 for that | 17:54 |
| ochosi | anyway, i don't think you'd have any regressions with it (and you can easily go back to 1.2.0 with apt) | 17:54 |
| ochosi | it's not like 1.4 will be a rewrite or something, we mostly fixed bugs and introduced a few features | 17:55 |
| ochosi | so: "installing 1.3.2 != wrecking it" :) | 17:55 |
| elfy | ochosi: so cur5rent plan with upower is to check with Eric and then decide? | 17:55 |
| ochosi | elfy: i talked to him a few minutes ago | 17:55 |
| ochosi | he said that the list in the bugreport isn't complete (weather-plugin was missing) | 17:56 |
| slickymasterWork | that would help ochosi. you can put them under the xfpm-docs namesapce | 17:56 |
| ochosi | slickymasterWork: ok, i'll try to get to it tomorrow | 17:56 |
| ochosi | slickymasterWork: in case i forget, please remind me | 17:56 |
| elfy | ochosi: yea - saw that one get added to the bug minutes ago | 17:56 |
| ochosi | elfy: so opensuse seems to be using upower0.99 and logind and things work (that's a good sign), but frankly... | 17:57 |
| slickymasterWork | well, if you guarantee me that ochosi, then I'll go ahead and install 1.3.2 | 17:57 |
| ochosi | elfy: i'm still -1 on the whole transition. it's just very late and we still have to be "lucky" not to get any regressions from it | 17:57 |
| slickymasterWork | so, nevermind those screenshots | 17:57 |
| ochosi | slickymasterWork: is 90% good enough for you? :) | 17:57 |
| elfy | ochosi: nothing's changed my mind | 17:57 |
| slickymasterWork | I'll take your 90% ochosi ;) | 17:58 |
| ochosi | elfy: yeah, i guess we're on the same page. let's wait and see what bluesabre has to say about it | 17:58 |
| elfy | ochosi: okey doke | 17:59 |
| brainwash | it's 14.10, so just get the new stuff in :) | 18:01 |
| elfy | there's a patch for xfce 11134 - I've no idea what to do with it - if someone else can look that'd be good | 18:03 |
| ubottu | xfce bug 11134 in General "Desktop Settings Infobar gives move option when unavailable" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11134 | 18:03 |
| slickymasterWork | gotta run guys -> | 18:03 |
| brainwash | elfy: https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-git | 18:04 |
| brainwash | oh wait, he didn't commit it yet | 18:04 |
| Pwnna | can anyone confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/1304599 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/libxfce4ui/+bug/1303404 | 18:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1304599 in blueman (Ubuntu) "bluetooth indicator is always white regardless if bluetooth is on or off" [Undecided,New] | 18:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1303404 in libxfce4ui "Hotkeys with <Super> modifier overriding each other" [Medium,Confirmed] | 18:35 |
| Pwnna | and that lightlocker bug.. it is still present.. sometimes | 18:38 |
| Pwnna | i don't know how to reproduce it yet, but i'm getting a locked screen sometimes... again | 18:38 |
| Pwnna | is it possible to replace the xfce stuff like libxfce4ui with my own built version easily? | 18:44 |
| Pwnna | like a symlink away? | 18:44 |
| skellat | brainwash: As to LP Bug 1367381, this really does not amuse me: http://askubuntu.com/questions/522274/thunar-does-not-show-preview-icons-for-media-files | 19:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1367381 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar fails to show previews for media (jpg, png, pdf, etc) file icons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1367381 | 19:12 |
| skellat | brainwash: I've reported the bugger to get that mess closed over on AskUbuntu | 19:12 |
| brainwash | skellat: which mess? | 20:25 |
| skellat | brainwash: The user tried to file the same bugreport as an open question on AskUbuntu | 20:38 |
| skellat | And then posted there that he rebooted and the problem went away | 20:38 |
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| brainwash | yeah, some people just cross post stuff on the interwebs | 20:43 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: That was "if NM .10 lands, nm-tool disappears and there's another tool for that now" | 20:46 |
| slickymaster | Unit193, and most probably we don't have a way to know for sure when will NM .10 land, right? | 20:51 |
| slickymaster | so I'm inclined to remove that item from the -docs blueprint | 20:52 |
| slickymaster | and from trello | 20:53 |
| Unit193 | Considering it hasn't yet, yeah I think it won't land this cycle. | 20:56 |
| slickymaster | thanks for the heads up Unit193 | 20:58 |
| Unit193 | Eh, maybe it'll be useful next cycle. | 20:58 |
| slickymaster | I'll postponed the item in both, LP and Trello | 20:58 |
| Unit193 | Validating sv fails. | 21:02 |
| knome | swedish? | 21:06 |
| knome | slovakian? | 21:06 |
| Unit193 | Swedish | 21:07 |
| knome | aha | 21:09 |
| knome | i will refrain from telling stupid jokes about swedish people | 21:10 |
| knome | will you fix it? :P | 21:10 |
| Noskcaj | ppa:noskcaj/upower now has all the xfce stuff, if someone wants to test it | 21:50 |
| Noskcaj | (Except weather-plugin, since we don't have upower enabled for it) | 21:51 |
| brainwash | doesn't only the power manager use upower to do stuff? | 21:51 |
| brainwash | weather-plugin?! | 21:52 |
| Noskcaj | settings and systemload too | 21:52 |
| Noskcaj | yeah, that's a thing | 21:52 |
| brainwash | oh, this machine here does not even have upower installed :) | 21:54 |
| brainwash | what's the big deal anyway? | 22:00 |
| Noskcaj | pretty much upower changed a bunch of API stuff end of last year (Dropped suspend stuff, plus other things), gnome now needs it, and debian has upower 0.99.1 currently | 22:02 |
| Noskcaj | And ubuntu-gnome would rather not have stuff from early 2013 | 22:02 |
| Unit193 | What's the point anywho? They can't have the latest Gnome without a newer systemd, IIRC. | 22:03 |
| Noskcaj | because a heap of core stuff is stuck on <<3.10 | 22:04 |
| brainwash | debian already has it, so there shouldn't be any problem to get it working in ubuntu, or? | 22:04 |
| brainwash | or is it just too late for changes like this? | 22:05 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, ubuntu-only packages, plus unity forcing us to have a huge diff in gnome | 22:05 |
| Noskcaj | we had to wait for some ubuntu-touch guys to patch things there, so it's really late | 22:05 |
| Unit193 | Ah cool, only bugs related are Debian 755234 and Debian 752438, neither of which we'd have to worry about. | 22:07 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 755234 in xfce4-power-manager "incomplete support for upower0.99" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/755234 | 22:07 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 752438 in lightdm "lightdm: upower-1.0 transition" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/752438 | 22:07 |
| brainwash | makes me wonder, why can't they just delay the release of 14.10 a bit, to get xorg 1.16, upower and so on up and running | 22:11 |
| brainwash | a release with only 9 months of support | 22:12 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i don't suppose you're around? | 22:31 |
| Noskcaj-school | Since i forgot to mention it, upower is used by all desktops, lubuntu is fine with the transition, kubuntu is uneffected (Everything is run-time compatable with all versions), mate is fine (rebuild only), gnome needs work, but will work, and touch has been patched, but needs a refresh. | 23:11 |
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