[01:16] <Noskcaj-school> Just a quick "survey", is xubuntu still ok for upower 0.99 this cycle? ubuntu's stuff finally supports it, so darkxst and i have a giant FFe to make
[01:19] <Noskcaj-school> bluesabre, ochosi ^
[02:33] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: Yeah, if everything can support it with minor changes or just a rebuild, we can probably proceed with it.
[02:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: do you agree?
[02:37] <Unit193> I believe Debian had only partial support in one of the packages, at least saw a bug about it.
[06:32] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Pretty much all is sorted in debian already
[06:33] <Noskcaj> it should be just rebuilds
[06:34] <elfy> I really should write stuff down or remember it - but as I didn't and don't - how do I apply this patch to test it xfce 11134
[06:35] <elfy> hi Noskcaj 
[06:35] <Noskcaj> hey elfy 
[06:35] <Noskcaj> download the source, copy patch in, build it, install, test
[06:36] <Noskcaj> 5 minutes work
[06:36] <elfy> right 
[06:36] <elfy> you'd make an awesome teacher
[06:36] <Noskcaj> ha
[06:36] <Noskcaj> bzr branch lp:ubuntu/xfdesktop4
[06:37] <Noskcaj> copy the patch to xfdesktop4/debian/patches/thingy.patch
[06:37] <elfy> so why can't you just patch the installed version
[06:37] <Noskcaj> Add thingy.patch to xfdesktop4/debian/patches/series
[06:37] <Noskcaj> elfy, because compilers
[06:38] <elfy> nvm then Noskcaj - I'm not going to doing all that 
[06:38] <Noskcaj> then run "quilt push" "bzr add" "bzr-buildpackage"
[06:38] <Noskcaj> then install your new binary
[06:38] <Noskcaj> easy
[06:39] <Noskcaj> I can make it if you need, then you just add ppa:noskcaj/staging
[06:42] <Unit193> Erm, why all that?  Just apt-get source it and drop the patch in.
[06:43] <Noskcaj> Unit193, In case he was on !utopic
[06:44] <Noskcaj> and it's not that much of a difference in workload, really
[06:45] <Unit193> Sure, no quilt or bzr* commands.  Anywho, it's moot either way.
[06:45] <elfy> very moot 
[06:46]  * Unit193 moos at elfy.
[06:46] <elfy> why can't I patch < foo.patch
[06:46] <Noskcaj> *moots
[06:46] <Unit193> elfy: You could do that too, yep.
[06:47] <Unit193> sudo apt-get build-dep xfdesktop4 && apt-get source xfdesktop4   to get all the build deps and source.
[06:50] <Unit193> elfy: Either of us could pop it into a package, or if you wait until tomorrow I can do the entire test.
[06:50] <elfy> \o/ lightdm .9 ->"Don't check the logind CanGraphical seat property ..."
[06:51] <Unit193> \o/
[06:51] <elfy> Unit193: it's morning so I'm a bit meh - and that was much too much writing for me to find the requisite amount of care :p
[06:52] <elfy> hopefully todays image will in fact boot :)
[06:52] <elfy> properly
[07:13] <ochosi> bluesabre, Noskcaj: well frankly it doesn't make me very happy. upower0.99 is fairly different (even if there are more features partly) and is largely untested within xfce, so it's quite risky – especially because I have no idea whether we can get any resulting bugs fixed in time for the release
[07:13] <Noskcaj> ochosi, The downside is it means ubuntu-gnome is stuck with a release from the start of last year
[07:14] <Noskcaj> and some stuff from earlier
[07:14] <Noskcaj> but if you are worried about it, say so and the FFe won't go through
[07:14] <ochosi> well yeah, i am slightly worried, i haven't given any of the xfce components in question any testing with upower0.99
[07:15] <ochosi> and i do expect some oddities
[07:15] <ochosi> those that tested that combination were mostly on other distros
[07:15] <ochosi> have you tested any of it?
[07:15] <ochosi> if we get enough testing before the FFe goes through, i'd probably be fine with it though
[07:16] <ochosi> (but i'm not so optimistic about that going down)
[07:16] <ochosi> bbabl
[07:17] <Noskcaj> ochosi, i'm setting up a complete testing PPA, so (elfy) would we be able to get some testing on that?
[07:19] <elfy> ha
[07:19] <elfy> you can set it up - I can ask people to test it - but don't count on any getting done
[07:21] <Noskcaj> ok
[07:32] <elfy> Noskcaj: hah - I knew it - tried all that ^^ bzr: ERROR: The build failed.
[07:33] <elfy> bbl
[07:34] <Noskcaj> pastebin the log?
[08:37] <bluesabre> ochosi: sure would be cool if some super minor issue (typo, spacing, etc) was found and fixed to make the git revision +1 so this builds https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+recipe/xfpm-daily
[08:37] <bluesabre> >.>
[08:42] <ochosi> bluesabre: i can look into that
[08:43] <ochosi> basically need to scan the buildlogs?
[08:43] <bluesabre> it will build on next git change
[08:43] <ochosi> oh
[08:43] <ochosi> now i get what you mean
[08:43] <bluesabre> so if something changes in xfpm, we're good to go ;)
[08:43] <ochosi> can't you just manually schedule a rebuild?
[08:43] <bluesabre> (unless you break xfpm)
[08:43] <bluesabre> the version numbers fail
[08:43] <ochosi> we're not planning to, no :)
[08:43] <ochosi> oh, hmpf
[08:43] <ochosi> i see
[08:43] <ochosi> will see whether i find something minor
[08:44] <bluesabre> translation maybe?
[08:44] <ochosi> today in the afternoon i might have an hour or two for FOSS
[08:44] <ochosi> that'd be ideal
[08:44] <ochosi> i've been planning to send a call for translations out today anyway
[08:44] <bluesabre> I usually cheat and add/remove/edit TODO
[08:44] <ochosi> but i can ask some italians to complete the translation directly
[08:44] <bluesabre> there you go
[08:44] <bluesabre> they're a friendly group (the g+ folks)
[08:44] <ochosi> indeed
[08:48] <ochosi> ok, asked and already got a confirmation that it'll be done today :)
[08:48] <bluesabre> awesome
[08:48] <bluesabre> so is xfpm done then?
[08:49] <ochosi> pretty much
[08:50] <ochosi> note: there'll always be bugs :)
[08:50] <ochosi> but we wanna do a release at some point
[08:50] <ochosi> and now that we also support lxpanel 0.7 i think it's time
[08:58] <bluesabre> sweet
[08:58] <bluesabre> probably a good time for then for a translations call
[08:59] <bluesabre> though the xfce projects are really good about getting translated without poking people
[08:59] <bluesabre> its that because of something with transifex that notifies the translators?
[09:02] <ochosi> i guess
[09:02] <ochosi> but xfce has had a strong community of translators for a long time
[09:02] <bluesabre> I see
[09:02] <ochosi> so even before the move to transifex.com translations were flowing in pretty constantly
[09:02] <ochosi> (at least from what i remember)
[09:02] <ochosi> meeting-time, bbiab
[09:09] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, one note: i've tested the desktop icon sizes a bit more over the last two weeks (since we first had that discussion), and i'd like us to go for 48px/64px (icon/tooltip)
[09:09] <ochosi> mostly 48px isn't so much bigger, it crops the strings less and it's consistent with thunar
[09:09] <brainwash> back to 48px, hooray
[09:09] <ochosi> :)
[09:10] <ochosi> well, a bit of back and forth is okay to test things out imo
[09:10] <ochosi> it also means that the tooltip isn't so huge
[09:10] <ochosi> i mean in comparison to the icon
[09:10] <bluesabre> ok, poke the others and get their thoughts
[09:10] <ochosi> you mean everyone in !team? :)
[09:10] <bluesabre> I'm also in favor
[09:11] <brainwash> still wondering, why we've changed it from 48 to 32 in the first place
[09:11] <bluesabre> we're flexible
[09:11] <bluesabre> :)
[09:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: reminder: icon-theme
[09:12] <bluesabre> knome: reminder: wallpaper
[09:17] <bluesabre> As usual, I'll take care of these uploads this evening :)
[10:02] <ochosi> brainwash, bluesabre: the switch to 32px was made because there was a MR by Unit193 :)
[10:02] <ochosi> and i felt we could try it out
[10:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: translations have already been added in transifex for xfpm, so i guess they'll land in the next hours
[10:06] <brainwash> still strange, we've just changed them to 48px in trusty, even upstream :D
[10:06] <brainwash> sneaky MR
[11:58] <elfy> woohoo images boot in vm now 
[11:58] <elfy> pleia2: ^^ 
[11:59] <bluesabre> yay1
[11:59] <elfy> more than 1 :p
[11:59] <bluesabre> yay1+
[12:00] <elfy> not looking for anymore booting issues till 15.04 
[12:01]  * bluesabre notes this
[12:06] <ochosi> :)
[12:06] <ochosi> good good
[12:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'll do another update of the icon-theme this afternoon
[12:06] <ochosi> so tonight you'll have it ready
[12:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: great
[12:06] <ochosi> don't think there'll be anything to do for themes
[12:06] <bluesabre> elfy: have an opinion on desktop icon size 32 -> 48?
[12:07] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[12:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: also, the commit in xfpm has already landed from transifex, so that build should work now
[12:07] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[12:07] <elfy> bluesabre: well - my opinion is that *anything* bigger than 22px is wrong :)
[12:07] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool, I'll poke the builders
[12:07] <elfy> so not the best person to ask :)
[12:07] <bluesabre> elfy: 22px for desktop icons it is
[12:07] <bluesabre> :P
[12:08] <elfy> works for me :)
[12:08] <ochosi> hehe
[12:08] <bluesabre> [fileman icon]
[12:08] <bluesabre> Fi...
[12:08] <ochosi> elfy doesn't seem to have a hidpi screen :>
[12:08] <knome> bluesabre, yeah yeah...
[12:09] <elfy> ochosi: lol
[12:12] <ochosi> bluesabre: what's your take on upower0.99 btw?
[12:12] <bluesabre> well, xfce4.12 is supposed to freeze right about now
[12:13] <ochosi> freeze?
[12:13] <bluesabre> so, finding upower issues now would be very beneficial for upstream
[12:13] <bluesabre> "freeze"ish
[12:13] <ochosi> right
[12:13] <bluesabre> the others were talking about it a few weeks back
[12:13] <ochosi> yeah, but the question is what do we do if things break
[12:13] <ochosi> we're quite late in the cycle
[12:13] <elfy> so - would it not be better to be finding them at the beginning of the next cycle so there's months rather than weeks to deal with it?
[12:14] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, that's the point i'm implicitely making (also said that to Noskcaj)
[12:14] <bluesabre> right
[12:14] <elfy> I'm blunter :)
[12:14] <bluesabre> but I think there are not very many packages affected by it, but I'm not going to make the call on my own
[12:15] <ochosi> i mean there was all cycle for the transition to be done and while i understand that it might be nice for ubuntu-gnome to get 3.12, i'm not 100% willing to take the risk
[12:15] <bluesabre> we can almost guarantee that package testing will be less than desirable
[12:15] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, i was wanting to ask you for the same reason ;)
[12:15] <elfy> should be perhaps a release team decision
[12:15] <ochosi> yup, here we are :)
[12:15] <elfy> oh - I'd not noticed :D
[12:15] <bluesabre> :)
[12:15] <ochosi> so yeah, *theoretically* everything should work in xfce
[12:16] <ochosi> the affected components are (at least) xfpm, xfce4-settings and xfce4-session
[12:16] <bluesabre> I'm willing to work towards any fixes, wife is working weekends through the next release
[12:16] <elfy> I'm certainly not at all enamoured with the idea of chucking something that could break things - given that we are getting very little in the way of testing
[12:16] <ochosi> the session-support is still very fresh btw
[12:16] <ochosi> but it's in git master
[12:16] <bluesabre> we could start with tossing it into -staging or using Noskcaj's ppa
[12:17] <bluesabre> get a larger amount of -team to just install it and see what breakages we may find
[12:17] <ochosi> yup, that'd be fine with me
[12:17]  * bluesabre also thinks that all of -team should be on utopic now if they are not already
[12:17] <elfy> I've not got an issue with doing that - if we can get people to test it, but then that's necessarily going to drop it even further into the future 
[12:17] <ochosi> one thing though, those would have to be hardware installs
[12:17] <ochosi> VM doesn't help with upower at all
[12:17] <ochosi> (i mean it helps a bit, but not that much)
[12:18] <elfy> agreed
[12:18] <bluesabre> s/install/install on their normal machines
[12:18] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, that means putting it on hold
[12:18] <elfy> I've got to go again now - bbl 
[12:18] <ochosi> sure, ttyl elfy 
[12:18] <elfy> ochosi: yea
[12:19] <bluesabre> heading out too... I'll follow up on backlog when I get back.
[12:19] <elfy> anyway - if we decide todayish - I'm -1 to that this late unless we get cast iron guarantees on fixes being able to land
[12:19] <ochosi> haha, well i won't continue the discussion alone :D
[12:19] <elfy> lol
[12:19] <ochosi> and anyway, it's about lunchtime, so i don't mind if we continue this later
[12:20] <elfy> I can be about later tonight - later elfy time I mean - rather than wandering off early evening
[12:20] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: who all would be affected? is upower only used by gtk desktops?
[12:20] <ochosi> elfy: well fixes being able to land is one thing, we can't get guarantees on fixes being written though i guess
[12:20] <ochosi> i think there's a big bugreport that lists all components
[12:21] <ochosi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/1330037
[12:21] <bluesabre> also, has it landed in debian yet? I know that they were working towards that
[12:21] <ochosi> yeah, it should land in the next debian
[12:22] <ochosi> (afaik)
[12:22] <bluesabre> nice
[12:22] <ochosi> so all desktops are affected, incl unity, kde, gnome-variants and xfce
[12:22] <bluesabre> that affects almost everybody
[12:22] <ochosi> heck, even razorqt
[12:22] <bluesabre> this does not seem like a good idea...
[12:22] <bluesabre> and not one that we can make on our own
[12:22] <ochosi> since it affects xfpm, it also affects lxde
[12:22] <bluesabre> (and that we better not be left out of either)
[12:23] <ochosi> yeah, we can only chip in our 2cents
[12:23] <ochosi> imo we should sit down tonight and write up a common release-team statement, explaining why we're -1 on this
[12:24] <ochosi> (if we are, but as we're all rather on the sceptical side...)
[12:24] <bluesabre> it only affects a few xfce components, so its not quite as dangerous for us
[12:25] <bluesabre> but it looks like the gnome packages aren't even completely patched yet
[12:25] <ochosi> ehem...
[12:25]  * ochosi clears throught
[12:25] <ochosi> session and powerman and settings are quite central components
[12:25] <bluesabre> and other affected desktops have not touched
[12:25] <ochosi> so while they aren't many...
[12:25] <bluesabre> right
[12:25] <bluesabre> they are a big deal
[12:26] <ochosi> tbh i haven't worked on upower0.99 personally
[12:26] <ochosi> eric has handled all of that
[12:26] <ochosi> and he has done so in all the aforementioned components
[12:26] <ochosi> so maybe we should interview him on this issue
[12:26] <bluesabre> this affects too many desktop this late in the cycle, and the fixes aren't around for several desktops, I doubt the request would be granted
[12:26] <bluesabre> yeah
[12:26] <ochosi> yeah, i think ubuntu-gnome is mostly pushing this forward (otherwise no 3.12)
[12:27] <bluesabre> anyhoo, dragging behind here, gotta run
[12:27] <ochosi> yup, me too
[12:27] <ochosi> hf and ttyl
[12:27] <pleia2> elfy: yay re: booting in vm
[12:36] <bluesabre> but yeah, confirm with eric what testing may have been done, and let's do a spot check at least on hw, if we're remotely interested
[15:17] <slickymasterWork> !team | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2243667
[15:19] <slickymasterWork> sutpid bot
[16:43] <knome> slickymasterWork, lol
[16:45] <slickymasterWork> knome: :)
[16:45]  * knome just finished the evening work session
[16:47] <slickymasterWork> knome do you think you'll have some time this weekend so we can start on the docs networking section for the new NetworkManager?
[16:48] <knome> probably.. or you could file a bug about it and jack might fix it before we get to it
[16:48] <slickymasterWork> lol, that's an idea
[16:50] <slickymasterWork> did you get to see the forum thread, knome?
[16:51] <knome> yep, looked at it
[16:51] <slickymasterWork> it's nice
[16:51] <knome> yep
[17:24] <brainwash> ochosi: can lls 1.4 be used in trusty? 
[17:25] <brainwash> someone is asking for a fully translated lls http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/light-locker-einstellungen-auf-deutsch/
[17:38] <slickymasterWork> knome, what exactly isn't up to date in the docs, wrt new NetworkManager?
[17:40] <knome> somebody said it's going to change
[17:40] <knome> can't remember who, but i can try to dig it up tomorrow
[17:40] <slickymasterWork> aren't we going to ship the same nm-applet?
[17:40] <ochosi> knome: i think that was Unit193 
[17:40] <knome> iirc, there was going to be a new version or sth
[17:40] <knome> who knows!
[17:40] <knome> :)
[17:41] <slickymasterWork> and who, thne, added that item to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-docs?
[17:41] <slickymasterWork> s/thne/then
[17:42] <ochosi> brainwash: theoretically it should work even with xfpm <1.3, so also in trusty (but i haven' tested)
[17:42] <slickymasterWork> I just have been through today's daily, and as far as I can tell, nothing there is different from what is present in the networking section of the documentation
[17:42] <slickymasterWork> I mean the nm-applet
[17:43] <slickymasterWork> Unit193, care to enlighten me on this, pretty please ^^^ 
[17:50] <slickymasterWork> ochosi, the reason there hasn't been no progress on http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfpm-docs:start is because I'm in a fight with myself about installing xfce4-power-manager 1.3.2-0ubuntu2 in my main computer :P
[17:51] <slickymasterWork> I don't feel like wrecking it, but it's the only choice I have to do it on real hardware
[17:53] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: if you need screenshots for the tabs, i can do them for you
[17:54] <ochosi> i guess you only need 1.3.2 for that
[17:54] <ochosi> anyway, i don't think you'd have any regressions with it (and you can easily go back to 1.2.0 with apt)
[17:55] <ochosi> it's not like 1.4 will be a rewrite or something, we mostly fixed bugs and introduced a few features
[17:55] <ochosi> so: "installing 1.3.2 != wrecking it" :)
[17:55] <elfy> ochosi: so cur5rent plan with upower is to check with Eric and then decide? 
[17:55] <ochosi> elfy: i talked to him a few minutes ago
[17:56] <ochosi> he said that the list in the bugreport isn't complete (weather-plugin was missing)
[17:56] <slickymasterWork> that would help ochosi. you can put them under the xfpm-docs namesapce
[17:56] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: ok, i'll try to get to it tomorrow
[17:56] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: in case i forget, please remind me
[17:56] <elfy> ochosi: yea - saw that one get added to the bug minutes ago
[17:57] <ochosi> elfy: so opensuse seems to be using upower0.99 and logind and things work (that's a good sign), but frankly...
[17:57] <slickymasterWork> well, if you guarantee me that ochosi, then I'll go ahead and install 1.3.2
[17:57] <ochosi> elfy: i'm still -1 on the whole transition. it's just very late and we still have to be "lucky" not to get any regressions from it
[17:57] <slickymasterWork> so, nevermind those screenshots
[17:57] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: is 90% good enough for you? :)
[17:57] <elfy> ochosi: nothing's changed my mind 
[17:58] <slickymasterWork> I'll take your 90% ochosi  ;)
[17:58] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, i guess we're on the same page. let's wait and see what bluesabre has to say about it
[17:59] <elfy> ochosi:  okey doke
[18:01] <brainwash> it's 14.10, so just get the new stuff in :)
[18:03] <elfy> there's a patch for xfce 11134 - I've no idea what to do with it - if someone else can look that'd be good
[18:03] <slickymasterWork> gotta run guys ->
[18:04] <brainwash> elfy: https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-git
[18:04] <brainwash> oh wait, he didn't commit it yet
[18:35] <Pwnna> can anyone confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/1304599 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/libxfce4ui/+bug/1303404
[18:38] <Pwnna> and that lightlocker bug.. it is still present.. sometimes
[18:38] <Pwnna> i don't know how to reproduce it yet, but i'm getting a locked screen sometimes... again
[18:44] <Pwnna> is it possible to replace the xfce stuff like libxfce4ui with my own built version easily?
[18:44] <Pwnna> like a symlink away?
[19:11] <skellat> brainwash: As to LP Bug 1367381, this really does not amuse me: http://askubuntu.com/questions/522274/thunar-does-not-show-preview-icons-for-media-files 
[19:12] <skellat> brainwash: I've reported the bugger to get that mess closed over on AskUbuntu
[20:25] <brainwash> skellat: which mess?
[20:38] <skellat> brainwash: The user tried to file the same bugreport as an open question on AskUbuntu
[20:38] <skellat> And then posted there that he rebooted and the problem went away
[20:43] <brainwash> yeah, some people just cross post stuff on the interwebs
[20:46] <Unit193> slickymaster: That was "if NM .10 lands, nm-tool disappears and there's another tool for that now"
[20:51] <slickymaster> Unit193, and most probably we don't have a way to know for sure when will NM .10 land, right?
[20:52] <slickymaster> so I'm inclined to remove that item from the -docs blueprint
[20:53] <slickymaster> and from trello
[20:56] <Unit193> Considering it hasn't yet, yeah I think it won't land this cycle.
[20:58] <slickymaster> thanks for the heads up Unit193 
[20:58] <Unit193> Eh, maybe it'll be useful next cycle.
[20:58] <slickymaster> I'll postponed the item in both, LP and Trello
[21:02] <Unit193> Validating sv fails.
[21:06] <knome> swedish?
[21:06] <knome> slovakian?
[21:07] <Unit193> Swedish
[21:09] <knome> aha
[21:10] <knome> i will refrain from telling stupid jokes about swedish people
[21:10] <knome> will you fix it? :P
[21:50] <Noskcaj> ppa:noskcaj/upower now has all the xfce stuff, if someone wants to test it
[21:51] <Noskcaj> (Except weather-plugin, since we don't have upower enabled for it)
[21:51] <brainwash> doesn't only the power manager use upower to do stuff?
[21:52] <brainwash> weather-plugin?!
[21:52] <Noskcaj> settings and systemload too
[21:52] <Noskcaj> yeah, that's a thing
[21:54] <brainwash> oh, this machine here does not even have upower installed :)
[22:00] <brainwash> what's the big deal anyway?
[22:02] <Noskcaj> pretty much upower changed a bunch of API stuff end of last year (Dropped suspend stuff, plus other things), gnome now needs it, and debian has upower 0.99.1 currently
[22:02] <Noskcaj> And ubuntu-gnome would rather not have stuff from early 2013
[22:03] <Unit193> What's the point anywho?  They can't have the latest Gnome without a newer systemd, IIRC.
[22:04] <Noskcaj> because a heap of core stuff is stuck on <<3.10
[22:04] <brainwash> debian already has it, so there shouldn't be any problem to get it working in ubuntu, or?
[22:05] <brainwash> or is it just too late for changes like this?
[22:05] <Noskcaj> brainwash, ubuntu-only packages, plus unity forcing us to have a huge diff in gnome
[22:05] <Noskcaj> we had to wait for some ubuntu-touch guys to patch things there, so it's really late
[22:07] <Unit193> Ah cool, only bugs related are Debian 755234 and Debian 752438, neither of which we'd have to worry about.
[22:11] <brainwash> makes me wonder, why can't they just delay the release of 14.10 a bit, to get xorg 1.16, upower and so on up and running
[22:12] <brainwash> a release with only 9 months of support
[22:31] <ochosi> bluesabre: i don't suppose you're around?
[23:11] <Noskcaj-school> Since i forgot to mention it, upower is used by all desktops, lubuntu is fine with the transition, kubuntu is uneffected (Everything is run-time compatable with all versions), mate is fine (rebuild only), gnome needs work, but will work, and touch has been patched, but needs a refresh.