[10:53] <rick_h_> morning 
[11:31] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: hiya
[11:33]  * rick_h_ goes to head out to morning dr apt, back in a bit all
[12:12]  * rogpeppe1 lunches
[13:29]  * rick_h_ is back from the evil doc
[13:44]  * frankban bbiab
[13:52] <urulama> rick_h_: now i can hear someone calling through the hall: "Richard Harding! Richard Harding, your're next. Bwahahahahahaha" 
[13:53] <rick_h_> hey, no poking fun. this hurts ouch
[13:53] <rick_h_> stupid stabby doc poking me with big needles
[13:53] <rick_h_> and I especially don't trust docs in a suit without a white coat
[13:53] <jrwren> flu shot?
[13:53] <rick_h_> cortozone (sp?) :/
[13:53] <rick_h_> had my flu shot last week
[13:54] <jrwren> ouch.
[13:54] <rick_h_> I need to get some rope to hold this ice bag on. A shoulder is kind of hard to keep covered right
[13:56] <urulama> i first thought that it's cortisone and thought you had enough stress, why meed some more ... had to look what that cortozone was ... auch.
[13:57] <rick_h_> oh, I'm not sure. It's whatever is supposed to make my shoulder stop hurting all the time 
[13:57] <rick_h_> the guy needed an ultrasound machine to 'guide the needle' 
[13:57] <rick_h_> I didn't really watch, the electrical outlet on the wall was VERY interesting while he did his business
[13:58] <urulama> :) :)
[13:58] <rick_h_> luca__: hey, I bow out of the meeting your setup but have the team on it. 
[13:58] <rick_h_> luca__: so be nice to them :P
[13:58] <luca__> rick_h_: no problem
[13:58] <luca__> rick_h_: so it’s still going on?
[13:59] <rick_h_> luca__: yes, I'm just in another meeting with IS trying to get us goodies for jujucharms.com and such
[13:59] <rick_h_> luca__: so I can't miss that one for yours
[13:59] <rick_h_> but the team knows what's up and can take your info and run with it
[13:59] <luca__> rick_h_: so what your saying is that I’m not as important as IS, got it. Thanks :P
[13:59] <rick_h_> luca__: glad you read between the lines and I didn't have to be blunt about it
[13:59] <luca__> hahahahahaha
[14:00] <rick_h_> that would have been embarassing
[14:00] <luca__> ha!
[14:00]  * luca__ uncontrollably laughing in the office
[14:16] <rick_h_> kadams54: hatch Makyo note the meeting with luca on the calendar around the multiple changesets work please. I can't be there, but make sure to look at the designs, get any questions you have, and add any notes to the cards on the board required
[14:18] <hatch> yup ill be there
[14:19] <rick_h_> ty for working on that
[14:37] <kadams54> rick_h_: Unfortunately I won't be able to be there… Kelly is jumping out of an airplane over lunch break today.
[14:38] <rick_h_> kadams54: oh ok, bummer. 
[14:38] <rick_h_> well not bummer on jumping from a plane, that sounds good
[14:46] <hatch> well...as long as she has a parachute 
[14:47] <hatch> kadams54: actually...why aren't you also jumping?
[14:47] <kadams54> hatch: because I don't want our kids to be orphans.
[14:48] <hatch> lol...*sadface* 
[14:48] <hatch> it's apparently pretty safe
[14:48] <hatch> not that I'm going to do it haha
[14:48] <kadams54> I may jump out of a plane someday
[14:49] <kadams54> But I hate the falling sensation on rollercoasters
[14:49] <kadams54> So I kinda think skydiving might be a jillion times worse
[14:49] <hatch> apparently that only happens for the first few seconds
[14:49] <hatch> I'm just spewing things I've heard as fact here.....nbd
[14:50] <luca__> team sky dive in brussels?
[14:50] <rick_h_> luca__: woot!
[14:50] <rick_h_> my wife would kill me
[14:50] <luca__> lol
[14:50] <rick_h_> I'm not allowed to fly a plane, not sure how jumping out of one counts
[14:50] <kadams54> I'm not sure what it is about rollercoasters either. It might not be the drop in and of itself… it might be that I'm strapped into something that's pulling me towards earth at an alarming speed.
[14:50]  * rick_h_ lives by a small airport with flying lessons :(
[14:51] <luca__> :(
[14:51] <kadams54> rick_h_: parasailing?
[14:51] <luca__> rollacoasters are awesome
[14:51] <rick_h_> kadams54: did get to do that on my honeymoon
[14:51] <hatch> rick_h_:  I actually have a standing flying lesson that I got for a birthday
[14:51] <luca__> I crave rollacoaters sometimes
[14:51] <luca__> I wouldn’t trust being in a place with hatch 
[14:51] <luca__> plane
[14:51] <kadams54> lol
[14:51] <kadams54> Good call
[14:51] <luca__> flown by hatch 
[14:51] <hatch> or a place....
[14:51] <hatch> lol
[14:51] <luca__> hehe
[14:52] <hatch> ahh i'd be a boss as a pilot....be like denzel in that upside down plane movie
[14:52] <luca__> Flight
[14:52] <hatch> yeah that one
[14:53] <kadams54> I like everything about rollercoasters except for the initial drop: the speed, going upside down, all that jazz. Rollercoasters where I hang underneath are better than traditional ones. The best are the ones that rocket you out of the station with no need for a hill.
[14:53] <hatch> haha
[14:53]  * luca__ really wants to go to a theme park
[14:53] <kadams54> It's very odd. I'd really like to know what the hell is going on with me.
[14:53] <hatch> luca__: there is a big ferris wheel in London....
[14:54] <luca__> hatch: pfft too slow :P
[14:54] <hatch> actually...is there a theme park in London? Seems like a big missed opportunity
[14:54] <luca__> hatch: we have 2 theme parks
[14:54] <hatch> well then!
[14:54] <luca__> hatch: Chessington world of adventures and Thorpe Park
[14:55] <luca__> Thorpe park is pretty good
[14:55] <hatch> I don't even recall hearing about them....are they popular?
[14:55] <luca__> but I want universal studios or islands of adventures
[14:55] <luca__> yeah, pretty popular
[14:55] <luca__> thorpe park is great
[14:55] <luca__> but nothing compared to the american parks
[14:56] <hatch> ahh yeah....those americans 
[14:56] <hatch> jujugui call in 4
[14:57] <hatch> luca__: well there is little Europe in Brussels....can go there and pretend that train is a ride
[14:57] <luca__> haha
[14:59] <rick_h_> mhilton: rogpeppe1 call time
[15:00] <mhilton> rick_h_: Firefox has decided I don't have google talk installed, I'll be ther as soon as possible
[15:01] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: i'm having difficulties logging in to ubuntu one
[15:18] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: I keep seeing your name everywhere I go when it comes to sqlalchemy and pyramid, figured i would go straight to the horses mouth
[15:19] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: :)
[15:19] <rick_h_> I'm a fan
[15:20] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: so I'm building a convience method on a Model, which will get the latest record from a one to many relationship and do some simple post processing logic. I can't seem to figure out how to sort those results desc. Here's my models for reference
[15:20] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: k, will be a few min, otp right now and another call after this but can look at lunch
[15:22] <rick_h_> hatch: your interwebs go boom?
[15:22] <hatch> they did....will see if they stay up
[15:23] <hatch> I'm not sure what's up it's been like this all week
[15:23] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8319714/ sure np, I've got a million other things to do anyways
[15:30] <hatch> luca__: you need to add a call link to the calendar
[15:30] <hatch> I can't for some reason....
[15:30] <luca__> hatch: adding one now
[15:30] <luca__> hatch: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/multiple?authuser=1
[15:56] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: check http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/orm/relationships.html?highlight=relationship#relationships-api and http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/orm/relationships.html?highlight=relationship#building-query-enabled-properties
[15:56] <rick_h_> not sure how the 'test' relation is as it's not in the code
[15:56] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: looks like a couple of ways to do it. Would have to test for ease/performance
[15:57] <rick_h_> oh, missed ReviewTest has the relationshiop
[16:05] <luca__> arosales: we’re on the hangout in the meeting invite
[16:13] <hatch> oh so thaaaaats why this bug happened....there was nothing testing it...lol
[16:16]  * rick_h_ goes afk for some food
[16:58] <hatch> hmm i think that this keyboard would be a lot nicer with vim style navigation controls
[16:58] <hatch> reading for home and end etal sucks
[16:59] <rick_h_> heh yea, vim + zsh ftw
[17:01] <hatch> I wonder if the sublime vim mode is any good
[17:02] <rick_h_> I mean vim mode in zsh so in my terminal I can use 0, $ and such to move around a line
[17:02] <rick_h_> cw to change the word in the terminal and such
[17:04] <hatch> oh that's really cool
[17:04] <hatch> maybe I should put some more time into learning this vim thing....
[17:04] <hatch> but I do not like that editor haha
[17:12] <hatch> jujugui lf reviews and qa's https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/544
[17:17] <hatch> jcsackett: can we just ship huws branch where you ref the extra var declarations? Just to get it moving?
[17:24] <hatch> makyo are you jumping off of the inspector config stuff? 
[17:29] <hatch> rick_h_: huw will need some new cards tonight I believe. THe one I just picked up he started on then figured it was out of his wheelhouse lastnight
[17:38] <rick_h_> hatch: the color one?
[17:38] <rick_h_> hatch: ok, I'll send an email to him then and maybe have him spend his friday in QA of different live envs if possible
[17:45] <rick_h_> hatch: ok addressed thanks
[17:48] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: the order_by on relationship seems like the best route, thanks!
[17:49] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: +1
[17:49] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: the other is cool though for some tricky cool query relation stuff
[17:49] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so like on that one, you couldd do a custom query limit 1 and name the propery "last_test" or something
[17:49] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: totally, like doing crazy multiple joins
[17:49] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: or that :P
[17:49] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: right
[17:50] <rick_h_> but yea, relations are crazy awesome in sqlalchemy <3 mike bayer 
[17:50] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: yeah, of all the things I've been doing this has been the most fun
[17:50] <rick_h_> I relate tags to bookmarks as a dictionary vs a list
[17:50] <rick_h_> so it's great, I can check if a bookmark has a tag with 'testtag' in bmark.tags and the like
[17:50] <marcoceppi> alembic for migrations has enabled really quick to production pushes etc
[17:51] <rick_h_> yea, db migrations are a must, so powerful once you have them working
[17:51]  * rick_h_ is jealous of all the fun coding :P
[17:51] <marcoceppi> this week the review queue has rev'd like crazy as we're sprinting. Would have been a nightmare without this combination
[17:51] <marcoceppi> anyways, thanks for the deets
[17:51] <rick_h_> <3 glad you're liking it
[17:52] <rick_h_> np
[17:55] <hatch> jujugui need one more https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/544
[18:03] <rick_h_> kadams54: around for call?
[18:06] <rick_h_> kadams54: ok, going to guess not. 
[18:13] <Makyo> hatch, sorry, was heads down.  Sorry I left my face on that card, you can take it if you want.
[18:13] <Makyo> jujugui reviews/QA on remove relation cleanup: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/545
[18:17] <hatch> np i started on another
[18:17] <hatch> going to grab some lunch now
[18:19] <Makyo> Yeah, lunch sounds good, back in a few.
[18:26] <jcsackett> hatch: i would rather not just shipit, but the var thing is super trivial if you want to.
[18:27] <jcsackett> hatch: i mean, we're not backed up in the lane, and he can shipit immediately once he fixes that--it's not something that requires another look.
[18:28] <hatch> yeah np it can wait
[19:02] <rick_h_> jujugui going afk until tonights calls. If you need anything hit me on my phone via text/hangouts. 
[19:02] <hatch> cyaz
[19:34] <hatch> hey fabrice
[19:35] <hatch> I see you did a talk yesterday :)
[19:35] <fabrice> no this morning
[19:35] <fabrice> i'm in dallas
[19:37] <fabrice> I've been invited for springone like 6 months ago 
[19:38] <fabrice> and I have finished my previous job !!! Youhou !!
[19:40] <hatch> ahh very cool. I detest Angular so you'll have to try and convince me otherwise ;)
[19:41] <fabrice> I am not a fan in fact
[19:41] <fabrice> I don't understand what a directive is and why it's called like that
[19:41] <hatch> ohh I saw your talk included it so I assumed
[19:41] <hatch> never assume....haha
[19:42] <fabrice> http://fabricematrat.github.io/grails-rave/#/General/MVCs
[19:43] <hatch> lol nice
[19:43] <hatch> fabrice: so you start next week?
[19:43] <fabrice> yep
[19:43] <fabrice> Monday 9am French time
[19:46] <hatch> fabrice: heh blast from the past http://fabricematrat.github.io/grails-rave/#/General/SPAJuju
[19:46] <hatch> wow that is an olllllld UI :)
[19:47] <fabrice> ha yep but I took one from the website
[19:47] <fabrice> I could have taken a new one
[19:47] <hatch> that mockup is still on a site somewhere?
[19:48] <fabrice> apparently I took a few weeks back
[19:48] <fabrice> need to find out where now :)
[19:48] <hatch> yeah, the web guys would definitely like to fix that up if you can find it
[19:49] <hatch> current UI http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/:flags:/mv/ :)
[19:49] <fabrice> yep the one I have installed :)
[19:51] <hatch> Makyo: I'll take a review of your brnach
[19:51] <hatch> I swear I'll never get used to this keyboard
[19:53] <fabrice> ok guys tty on Monday !
[19:53] <hatch> Makyo: that blue and green circle makes my eyes go whaaaaaaaaa
[19:55] <Makyo> Hah
[21:32] <hatch> naming things.....hard 
[21:33] <rick_h_> pie, call it pie
[21:36] <hatch> lol henceforth the uncommitted/pending status of items will be known as "pie"
[21:53] <hatch> what state is between uncommitted and pending? 
[21:53] <hatch> uncommitted, waiting-for-ack, pending
[21:53] <hatch> which....no.....just no
[22:01] <jrwren> if you name it pie, i will eat it until there is none left. :)
[22:03] <hatch> uncommitted, pie, pending
[22:04] <hatch> OH I KNOW'
[22:04] <hatch> uncommitted, divergent, pending
[22:04] <hatch> lol.....
[22:05] <rick_h_> how is there a state between uncomitted and pending?
[22:05] <rick_h_> once you hit commit, the user sees it as pending
[22:05] <hatch> but that's not true...pending is an agent_state
[22:05] <hatch> which we don't have yet
[22:06] <hatch> we need to move uncommittted into an attribute anyways
[22:06] <rick_h_> ok, so in-progress
[22:06]  * rick_h_ drop the mic and gets back to packing up the camper
[22:06] <hatch> well then
[22:06] <hatch> that was easy
[22:06] <hatch> haha
[22:07] <hatch> a;though then we need an uncommitted attribute and an inProgress attribute....which I suppose is ok
[22:07] <rick_h_> why not a single status attr?
[22:07] <rick_h_> that's set to uncommitted or in-progress?
[22:07] <hatch> right....but what should that be called?
[22:08] <hatch> status is confusing
[22:08] <hatch> it'll need to be shared across every model
[22:08]  * rick_h_ is thinking
[22:08] <rick_h_> commitStatus
[22:08] <hatch> BOOM
[22:09]  * hatch sees rick step on the mic and crush it then walk away
[22:29] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:29] <rick_h_> morn
[22:29] <hatch> yoooooooo
[22:30] <hatch> call now>
[22:31] <hatch> ?
[22:31] <rick_h_> yes, chrome hates me moving to FF