[06:16] <soee> good morning
[07:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: apachelogger ping
[08:10] <yofel> Riddell: mubmle is on kyofel.dyndns.org
[08:10] <yofel> I could connect at least
[08:56] <yofel> Riddell: anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/arriero.git
[09:07] <yofel> Riddell: maybe relevant for the patches list discussion: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/ubuntu-patch-status.html (incomplete)
[09:36] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: UTC+1
[09:59] <Riddell> d_ed: ping?
[10:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:28] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: ping
[10:33] <shadeslayer_> d_ed: piiing
[10:35] <Quintasan> I iz here
[10:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: Is here,
[10:39] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: yi
[10:39] <shadeslayer_> yo
[10:39] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: you want to do a hangout
[10:39] <shadeslayer_> or something
[10:39] <Quintasan> Dunno lol, I thought we were going to use mumble or something.
[10:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: Can't hear you guys at all
[10:44] <Quintasan> ;_;
[10:44] <Riddell> Quintasan: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-akademy
[10:44] <Quintasan> Got it.
[10:45] <Riddell> can you hear us?
[10:45] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: can you hear us?
[10:45] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: If someone is near the microphone then yes
[10:45] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: oops, one moment
[10:46] <Quintasan> Mmkay.
[10:46] <shadeslayer_> I accidentally quit the wrong window
[10:46] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: read the notes
[10:48] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: call me?
[10:50] <shadeslayer_> argh, stupid internet
[10:50] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: just type here I guess
[10:50] <Quintasan> kek
[10:50] <Quintasan> okay
[10:52] <Quintasan> What did you break this time around?
[10:53] <shadeslayer_> I couldn't understand any of that :
[10:53] <shadeslayer_> :P
[10:53] <shadeslayer_> ;_;
[10:53] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: I can hear only you since you are close
[10:53] <Quintasan> The rest is just background noise.
[10:55] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: You have to tell me what are people saying lol
[10:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: Codewise? Dunno, I tried getting it running on Archos G9 multiple times and ran into kernel problems
[10:56] <Quintasan> I managed to get it running at some point but it was far from being usable
[10:56] <shadeslayer_> ^^
[10:57] <shadeslayer_> screw hangouts
[10:57] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: So what I'd like to know is whether we are going to continue or not, IMO it makes virtually no sense at this point.
[10:58] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: we're discussing patches list now
[10:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: I can barely hear anything.
[10:58] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: we're not continuing PA
[10:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: Ok, please ask Council what I should do with the device
[10:58] <Quintasan> Since I accidentaly broke then screen.
[10:58] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/ubuntu-patch-status.html
[10:59] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: someone might want a device
[11:00] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: So I am to replace that, right?
[11:03] <yofel> Riddell: http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Ubuntu/patches/
[11:04] <yofel> was the old thing pino just mentioned IIRC
[11:09] <shadeslayer_> yofel: fwiw we also have https://patches.ubuntu.com/
[11:09] <shadeslayer_> which is even more fun
[11:51] <shadeslayer_> foooooooood
[11:51] <shadeslayer_> \o/
[12:38] <shadeslayer_> I'm so full of food
[12:43] <lordievader> shadeslayer_: That's not a bad thing ;)
[12:43] <shadeslayer_> it is if it makes you sleepy
[13:34] <Riddell> vgezer: ping
[13:34] <Riddell> jose: ping
[13:34] <vgezer> hi Riddell :)
[13:34] <Riddell> vgezer: do you know the status of the new website?
[13:35] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ping (but you're on honeymoon)
[13:35] <Riddell> http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/ looks like it has a mobile theme now
[13:35] <vgezer> Riddell: unfortunately no
[13:35] <vgezer> yes, i saw it :/
[13:36] <vgezer> and it seems the database is gone or something?
[13:36] <vgezer> and currently doing my thesis, so couldnt have time for anything :/
[13:36] <Riddell> oh really? maybe it wasn't restored along with the web server
[13:36] <vgezer> but will be free soon! :)
[13:37] <vgezer> Riddell: because at least the homepage was working
[13:37] <Riddell> nah it's got stories in there
[13:37] <vgezer> and ovidiu-florin moved the news AFAIk
[13:37] <vgezer> what happened?
[13:40] <Riddell> we've no idea that's what we want to find out
[13:41] <vgezer> Riddell: i see, sorry i also havent talked to him for a long time
[14:13] <apachelogger> fucking ubiquity has different import styles all over the place
[15:00] <Riddell> manchicken: ping ↓
[15:00] <manchicken> Hi :)
[15:04] <Riddell> manchicken: in trello I subscribed you do qapt translations
[15:04] <Riddell> manchicken: do you know if it's got translations working?
[15:18] <Riddell> dinner: meet 20:00 in Kanas!
[15:18] <Riddell> ping shadeslayer_, yofel ↑
[15:22] <manchicken> I'm certain that it doesn't.
[15:22] <manchicken> I'm pretty sure I haven't seen that kind of activity on that project.
[15:23] <manchicken> And I haven't done it.
[15:36] <waddlesplash> Nice job with Plasma 5 Kubuntu, just a few rough spots:
[15:36] <waddlesplash>  * Kmix does not auto-start after installation to hard disk, it can be manually started though
[15:37] <waddlesplash>  * KDE Parted does not launch from the menu (throws a "so not found" exception) but does start from Terminal
[15:38] <waddlesplash>  * QtCurve is only the default theme for Qt5, I had to manually change configuration for GTK and Qt4
[15:38] <Riddell> manchicken: any chance you could put it on your todo list?
[15:39] <Riddell> thanks waddlesplash :)
[15:39] <waddlesplash> Welcome :)
[15:39] <Riddell> waddlesplash: I think we know about all of those, kde parted issue will be kdesu issue
[15:39] <waddlesplash> Well, lauching from Terminal not as root opened a kdesu dialog
[15:40] <Riddell> yeah known issue
[15:40] <Riddell> see link http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ kubuntu-ppa/next Plasma 5 bugs
[15:40] <Riddell> if you find other issues either poke here or report on launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa and tag plasma5 
[15:41] <Riddell> valorie: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2014-September/008747.html
[15:43] <Riddell> waddlesplash: oh and please stay around here if you want to help furhter testing :)
[15:45] <valorie> thanks Riddell my phone finally got your mail
[15:55] <waddlesplash> Riddell: will do. I'm recovering from HDD failure so I figured no point installing 14.04 only to upgrade next month
[15:56] <waddlesplash> Riddell: so I'll be using it quite a lot, everything from video editing to coding :)
[15:56] <Riddell> great
[15:57] <waddlesplash> Riddell: also -- how do I fix kmix for myself? copy the .desktop file to xdg?
[15:57] <waddlesplash> or just wait for an update?
[15:58] <waddlesplash> oh, also: the default window theme is Oxygen and not Breeze. Or was that intentional?
[16:41] <Riddell> waddlesplash: yes copy the autostart file to whereever the xdg autostart dir is
[16:42] <Riddell> waddlesplash: yes upstream says breeze isn't ready yet, it runs very slow on many graphics cards, you can try it and decide if you want to keep it
[16:53] <waddlesplash> hmm, it seemed ok to me
[16:53] <waddlesplash> (I have an NVIDIA GeForce 550, proprietary drivers v331)
[17:30] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm not sure how we would want to do that. Since we don't want qapt to be dependent on KDE libs, that's going to be a bunch of Qt translation stuff which lives outside of normal KDE translations from what I understand.
[17:31] <manchicken> Riddell: That said, I haven't been in there since apachelogger and others started doing other stuff to qapt, I think there may even be some KF5 porting involved... not sure.
[17:35] <Riddell> there's a kf5 post I'm sure
[17:36] <Riddell> and ki18n is a very small dependency
[18:03] <manchicken> Riddell: Is there a good place to learn about that code? I haven't touched any of that stuff before.
[18:03] <manchicken> Riddell: I need to finish my changes for the Net::AMQP::RabbitMQ Perl module that I'm doing, but I will probably finish those by this weekend.
[18:35] <Peace-> hi Riddell could you just upgrade kde connect on 14 04 ?
[18:35] <Peace-> 0.7.2 has ouchpad with multi-touch support for right click and middle click that works
[18:35] <Peace-> the ubuntu package instead no 
[18:37] <Peace-> mmm wait maybe it's already done 
[18:37] <Peace-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-kde/+bug/1335550
[18:38] <Peace-> :) srr http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-backports/kde/kdeconnect
[18:39] <Peace-> well it's 0.7.1 and not 0.7.2
[20:34]  * Riddell blogs https://blogs.kde.org/2014/09/11/akademy-wednesday-and-thursday-photo-blog
[20:40] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[20:42]  * Riddell polls https://blogs.kde.org/2014/09/11/akademy-poll
[20:42] <Riddell> oh doing KF5 packaging ↑
[21:22] <Riddell> grr, shadeslayer_ made all the patches to ecm fail
[21:28] <yofel> home sweet home :)
[21:32] <Riddell> thanks for coming to akademy
[21:40] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[21:54] <waddlesplash> just discovered this bug:
[21:55] <waddlesplash> LibreOffie uses default styling (so it looks like Win98) on Kubuntu Plasma 5
[21:55] <Riddell> yeah we also got that one
[21:55] <waddlesplash> ah okay
[21:55] <Riddell> not sure where's that set but we should work it out
[21:56] <waddlesplash> ok, it doesn't appear to detect Oxygen icon theme even
[21:57] <waddlesplash> ah never mind it does
[21:57] <waddlesplash> was looking in "Appearence" not "View" :S
[21:59] <waddlesplash> Riddell: looks like running SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=kde4 lowriter works
[21:59] <waddlesplash> not sure how to set that as default tho
[21:59] <waddlesplash> still looks a bit ugly, but overall much better
[22:00]  * Riddell adds comment to bug 1362759
[22:01] <waddlesplash> ah hm that does not fix the file dialogs
[22:01] <waddlesplash> altho I recall someone in the LibO channel saying they were going to disable that code
[22:01] <waddlesplash> as some bug in Qt causes LibO to crash in some cases
[22:01] <waddlesplash> apparently they never upstreamed the patch
[22:01] <waddlesplash> or at least for qt4 they didn't
[22:03] <Riddell> there's some students in munich working on porting it to qt5 fortunately
[22:03] <Riddell> but that won't happen in time for 14.10
[22:04] <waddlesplash> yes, I recall that
[22:09] <waddlesplash> ok, no luck with "fgrep -Ri vclplugin" in .config/libreoffice and /usr/share/libreoffice
[22:09] <waddlesplash> and various variants of that (e.g. "vcl", "sal_vcl", "sal_use_vclplugin", etc."
[22:12] <waddlesplash> no luck
[22:12] <waddlesplash> looks like Arch has some way of doing it https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LibreOffice#Theme
[22:12] <waddlesplash> may want to reverse engineer theirs, or just insert SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN in all the .desktop files
[22:12] <waddlesplash> if that's at all feasable
[22:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: patches you say
[22:18] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: you probably want to grab ecm from git bti
[22:18] <shadeslayer_> *btw
[22:18] <apachelogger> why were there patches in ecm?
[22:21] <Riddell> gone now
[22:22] <Riddell> thanks to shadeslayer_ 
[22:22] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.2.0_utopic.html it'll be all green in the morning
[22:26] <waddlesplash> btw, wasn't 14.10 supposed to be Wayland?
[22:26] <waddlesplash> or was that deferred?
[22:28] <Riddell> I don't think we ever said that
[22:28] <Riddell> we'll switch to Wayland when upstream says it's ready
[22:28] <Riddell> upstream KDE that is
[22:28] <Riddell> but it's nowhere near ready yet
[22:29] <Riddell> maybe a tech preview next year
[23:00] <waddlesplash> Riddell: "We'll be staying with X on the images for our 13.10 release now in development and the 14.04LTS release next year. After that we hope to switch to Wayland which is what KDE and every other Linux distro hopes to do. "
[23:00] <waddlesplash> so, you said "after [the 14.04] release" which I presume meant 14.10
[23:04] <shadeslayer_> waddlesplash: well, upstream KDE is still not working on wayland
[23:04] <shadeslayer_> so 'after' here means, as soon as things start working
[23:04] <waddlesplash> ah okay
[23:04] <shadeslayer_> 15.10 is my guess
[23:22] <waddlesplash> this is bad, the whole system locked up except for the mouse cursor and I had to do a hard reset
[23:22] <waddlesplash> what do I need in order to report a bug?
[23:29] <Riddell> that'll be an issue with the graphics driver (interacting with kwin I guess)
[23:30] <Riddell> I'm afraid I've no idea how to usefully report it, try asking in #ubuntu-x
[23:30] <waddlesplash> kk
[23:35] <waddlesplash> Riddell: running the Date/Time configurator and enabling internet time causes it to go to 100% cpu usage and hang forever
[23:35] <waddlesplash> or at least for 2-3 minutes which is when I killed it
[23:36] <Riddell> htop will tell you what's going out of control, probably kded5
[23:36] <Riddell> attach a gdb and get a backtrace
[23:36] <Riddell> report upstream to bugs.kde.org
[23:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.2.0_utopic.html "No list-missing in build log." "No lintian output in build log."