[03:12] <ceasefires> Linux noob here. If I downloaded kate via terminal (apt-get), where can I find it to put it on my taskbar or run?
[03:13] <ceasefires> Aside from running it in the terminal
[03:14] <holstein> ceasefires: you can always edit the menu and add what you like.. or add a shortcut where ever you want..
[03:14] <holstein> ceasefires: you dont see it in the menu?
[03:14] <ceasefires> No, it isn't there. I can run it by typing "kate" in terminal though
[03:15] <holstein> ceasefires: i would just add one, since its a "kde" application
[03:16] <holstein> actually http://askubuntu.com/questions/196614/how-do-i-edit-the-menu-in-lubuntu outlines most of what i would start with
[03:16] <ceasefires> Okay, I'll try that out. Thanks a lot
[04:14] <timbba> I installed Lubuntu 14.04 and I want to remove some unnecessary programs. However almost all are trying to remove also lubuntu-desktop package.. So will it remove the whole LXDE environment by doing so?
[04:15] <holstein> timbba: i would..
[04:15] <holstein> !mini
[04:15] <holstein> and just add lxde and whatever you like
[04:15] <holstein> timbba: you should be able to remove "lubuntu-desktop" though as a meta package
[04:16] <Unit193> timbba: lubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage, feel to remove packages that it depends on.
[04:16] <Unit193> Erm, whoops.
[04:17] <timbba> I have lots of other programs configured manually already (compiled by myself).. so I do not want to start from scratch.. so by removing also lubuntu-desktop won't harm? So LXDE stays and it will launch graphical user interface still..
[04:18] <timbba> last sentence was question
[04:18] <holstein> timbba: well, you lose all of that when the hard drive fails, anyways.. so i might take a minute to come up with a backup strategy that would make starting from scratch more of an easy task ..otherwise, how to remove lubuntu from lubuntu may not be a simple task
[04:19] <Unit193> Right, lubuntu-desktop is just for installation time, and during upgrades.
[04:19] <holstein> even removing lxde apps from lxde can be challenging.. its quite lean at the start.. and the metapackage should be safe, as stated ^
[04:19] <timbba> ok, thanks for the info :)
[04:22] <sargas> if I install lubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu 14.04, what packages do I get?
[04:23] <FuuqUmiist> good ones i guess
[04:23] <holstein> sargas: i might just add lxde
[04:23] <sargas> FuuqUmiist: Ikr
[04:23] <Unit193> sargas: Look at the deps of it and you can see, there's also lubuntu-core.  And, you can even just install the task.
[04:24] <sargas> thanks guys
[04:24] <sargas> I'll try the desktop first, I'm trying to move away from Unity on my laptop
[04:24] <sargas> pulseaudio is making me age twice as fast
[04:25] <holstein> sargas: shouldnt be
[04:25] <Unit193> If you  apt-get install lubuntu-desktop^  you'll get the task rather than pulling in the deps.
[04:25] <holstein> sargas: i would try a live CD of soemthing without pulse just to make sure its the issue.. avlinux.. for example
[04:25] <sargas> I know... but it along with the flash player plugin (enabled) are giving me a hard time browsing and running some java code
[04:26] <sargas> holstein: that's a great idea actually
[04:26] <Unit193> holstein: Lubuntu doesn't come with pulse.
[04:26] <holstein> sargas: i really think youd' do better with a newer flash..
[04:26] <holstein> yup. ^ lubuntu live, or avlinux.. something with no pulse..
[04:26] <holstein> or just remove pulse from ubuntu
[04:26] <sargas> holstein: how do I get it, I though apt-get upgrade got the newst one
[04:26] <Unit193> Mmm, yeah.  Newer flash does handle some things better.
[04:27] <holstein> i mean, if pulse or flash are the issues, i would throw another wrench in the works by switching distro's
[04:27] <Unit193> sargas: Only Chrome or Chromium get it, unless you use the experimental freshplayerplugin.
[04:28] <sargas> Unit193: I've heard of freshplayerplugin, and the early stages of the one Firefox is going to include in its packae
[04:28] <sargas> package*
[04:28] <holstein> sargas: the chrome flash is the only current one we get in linux
[04:28] <sargas> I was enjoying web dev on firefox a lot, but the lack of flash support is making it freeze on certain occasions
[04:28] <holstein> sargas: you can use the chrome flash in chromium..
[04:28] <sargas> I see
[04:29] <sargas> holstein: I didn't know that
[04:29] <Unit193> freshplayerplugin is a wrapper to get PPAPI plugins into NPAPI browsers, specifically pepperflash.  I don't remember what Mozilla calls their decoder though.
[04:29] <sargas> I don't either... but I might try chromium
[04:29] <holstein> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[04:30] <sargas> I'm trying to stay aways from Chrome's privacy rape
[04:30] <holstein> sargas: sure.. but, if you want flash, thats the *only* recent one
[04:30] <sargas> I'll get Lubuntu live on my USB drive and see what it looks like
[04:30] <holstein> sargas: you can use it in the chromium browser..
[04:30] <Unit193> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[04:31] <sargas> ubottu: interesting
[04:32] <sargas> holstein, Unit193, ubottu: thanks for the help
[04:33] <Unit193> Alrighty, have fun.
[04:33] <sargas> I'll get Chromium with pepperflash
[04:34] <sargas> then I'll try Lubuntu on a USB bootable drive
[04:34] <sargas> thanks again
[04:35] <holstein> sargas: cheers.. and good luck
[09:08] <switchtehbeat> does lubuntu support gnome?
[09:24] <switchtehbeat> if I install this  	
[09:24] <switchtehbeat> Trusty Core  will be drivers still be installed??
[09:33] <switchtehbeat> I guess no one is here :/
[15:25]  * RedDeath Back
[15:50]  * RedDeath Salut/Hello
[15:51] <ianorlin> hi RedDeath
[15:54] <RedDeath> how are you?
[15:55] <ianorlin> good anyway I can help you?
[15:55] <ianorlin> this is a support channel but there is #lubuntu-offtopic for general chat
[15:56] <ianorlin> I am well but need to report bugs in development release so you won't have to struggle with them
[16:26] <ianorlin> hmm what package is the lubuntu default gtk2 theme engine in?
[16:26] <wxl> well it shouldn't be lubuntu specific ianorlin
[16:27] <ianorlin> I mean I am trying all gtk2 theme engines in repos and only the lubuntu ones do it
[16:27] <ianorlin> if you on utopic get a notification from xfce4-notifyd
[16:27] <ianorlin> at least on my intel graphics
[16:28] <ianorlin> but no other themes seem to reproduce it
[16:35] <testdr> ianorlin: you know what a "theme" is?
[16:36] <wxl> ianorlin: lubuntu-default-settings maybe?
[16:37] <wxl> ianorlin: rafaellaguna might know, too
[16:40] <ianorlin> he is not on right now
[16:40] <wxl> ianorlin: he will be :)
[16:41] <ianorlin> also if you open a m3u playlist in mplayer it shows double notifications for songs
[19:35] <joppe> can you tell me how to remove steam?
[19:36] <phillw> joppe: how did you install it?
[19:36] <joppe> via deb installer from steam site
[19:36] <phillw> joppe: http://askubuntu.com/questions/217872/how-do-i-remove-steam
[19:37] <joppe> it says Package 'steam:i386' is not installed, so not removed
[19:38] <joppe> drinks beer
[19:39] <joppe> steam still shows in my games folder
[19:40] <phillw> joppe: can you pastebin up the result of
[19:40] <phillw> dpkg-query -l *steam*
[19:41] <joppe> dpkg-query: no packages found matching *steam*
[19:42] <joppe> so its uninstalled..
[19:44] <phillw> joppe: yup, just get rid of the ~/.steam
[19:44] <phillw> directory
[19:44] <joppe> how to get rid of my start menu /games
[19:45] <joppe> rid off it
[19:48] <phillw> joppe: I'm not too familiar with directly editing the menu system. Have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2197247 wxl are you familiar with editing menu entries?
[19:51] <wxl> phillw: i think i know how :) what's up?
[19:53] <phillw> wxl: he's got rid of steam, but the menu entry remains
[19:54] <joppe> yep
[19:54] <wxl> is there a .desktop file somewhere?
[19:55] <joppe> where do i look for that
[19:56] <wxl> /usr/share/applications typically
[19:56] <wxl> could also be in ~/.local/share/applications
[19:57] <wxl> incidentially... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/EditingTheMenu ;)
[19:57] <wxl> note that you may have to restart lxpanel
[19:58] <wxl> which i think is just `lxpanelctl restart` if i remember correctly :)
[19:58] <joppe> how do i do that
[19:58] <joppe> ok
[19:58] <wxl> do that after you remove the desktop entry
[19:58] <wxl> so look for something like steam.desktop
[19:58] <wxl> i don't know the exact name
[19:58] <wxl> oh wait i can figure it out
[19:58] <wxl> didn't realize it was in the repos :)
[19:59] <wxl> /usr/share/applications/steam.desktop
[19:59] <joppe> it still show in my games after that
[19:59] <wxl> you can see all the installed files here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/i386/steam/filelist
[19:59] <wxl> so the steps are:
[19:59] <wxl> 1. remove the .desktop file
[19:59] <wxl> 2. restart lxpanel
[19:59] <wxl> you did that?
[20:00] <joppe> yes
[20:00] <wxl> was there a .desktop file there?
[20:01] <joppe> where?
[20:01] <joppe> sorry im a nood
[20:01] <joppe> noob
[20:01] <wxl> look under /usr/share/applications
[20:01] <wxl> the file should be called steam.desktop
[20:01] <joppe> nope no steam at all in there
[20:02] <wxl> joppe: did you look under ~/.local/share/applications?
[20:02] <holstein> i would check as another user.. if the other user has no steam, i would blow out whatever of my users config
[20:03] <joppe> joppe@joppe-desktop:~/.local/share/applications$ ls chrome-aohghmighlieiainnegkcijnfilokake-Default.desktop chrome-apdfllckaahabafndbhieahigkjlhalf-Default.desktop chrome-blpcfgokakmgnkcojhhkbfbldkacnbeo-Default.desktop chrome-coobgpohoikkiipiblmjeljniedjpjpf-Default.desktop chrome-pjkljhegncpnkpknbcohdijeoejaedia-Default.desktop google-chrome.desktop mimeapps.list steam.desktop
[20:03] <joppe> steam is there
[20:03] <wxl> joppe: so remove that steam.desktop
[20:04] <wxl> `rm steam.desktop`
[20:04] <joppe> it worked, thanks alot
[20:05] <wxl> np
[20:05] <joppe> i would buy you abeer
[20:05] <joppe> :)
[20:05] <wxl> s'ok, i don't drink
[20:06] <joppe> lubuntu is great
[20:06] <wxl> thanks joppe :)
[20:06] <phillw> thanks wxl :)
[20:06] <wxl> np phillw
[20:07] <wxl> amazing what i can accomplish without even being in front of lubuntu XD
[20:08] <joppe> wxl , are you a developer
[20:08] <wxl> joppe: i'm head of testing and a release manager so i'm a bit busy to help out too much with development, but i plan on learning packaging so i can help in the future.
[20:09] <joppe> ok, you all do a good work..
[20:39] <joppe> how to get more sound?
[20:40] <wxl> joppe: you want to increase the volume or you have no sound?
[20:40] <joppe> increase, im on full now
[20:40] <wxl> ok so in your terminal load up `alsamixer`
[20:41] <wxl> it has a "master" volume as well as individual volumes for like "headphones" and "speakers"
[20:41] <joppe> ok
[20:41] <wxl> so often times you have the master all the way up but say the speakers are down lower
[20:41] <joppe> they are on full
[20:41] <wxl> just arrow over to the right one and then arrow up
[20:41] <wxl> they all are, huh? then that's all you got :)
[20:41] <joppe> :)
[20:41] <wxl> you can double check and make sure none of them are muted
[20:41] <wxl> but i doubt that's your problem
[20:42] <wxl> it's possible your sound card is not well supported and the driver lacks the capacity to get the volume up higher but i would find that highly unlikely
[20:43] <joppe> well i was on some ubuntu site and they say that you can go over 100%
[20:45] <wxl> iiiiii don't think so :)
[20:45] <joppe> pk
[20:45] <wxl> i'd be happy to review what you found tho
[20:45] <joppe> pk
[20:45] <joppe> ok
[20:48] <joppe> my mistake, they are all pre 14.04
[20:50] <phillw> joppe: you may want to try swapping also for pulse audio. It can go over 100% https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
[20:50] <phillw> s/also / ALSA
[20:50] <wxl> oh gosh don't use pulseaudio
[20:51] <testdr> joppe: the default in lubuntu-14.04 ist with pulseaudio and the volumecontrol called "pavucontrol" can go over 100%
[20:53] <wxl> joppe: DONT DO IT :)
[20:54] <testdr> yep - it might blow your speakers or even call the police
[20:54] <wxl> well pulseaudio will certainly bloat up your computer
[20:54] <joppe> :)
[20:54] <wxl> which is why lubuntu doesn't use it
[20:55] <testdr> wxl: i dont get your point - if someone uses the default Lubuntu-14.04 installation, then there is pulseaudio installed.
[20:55] <wxl> nope