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TheMusoc04:00
pittiGood morning04:48
didrocksmorning05:41
SweetsharkGoOOood morning, Ubuntu!06:44
didrockshey Sweetshark06:48
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larsugood morning!06:57
didrocksmorning larsu07:06
willcookeMORNING07:09
willcookeoops.  Caps lock FTW07:09
larsuGOOD MORNING WILL07:09
willcooke:D07:10
TheMusoHey willcooke.07:13
willcookehi TheMuso07:17
didrockshey willcooke, TheMuso07:18
willcookemorning didrocks07:18
Sweetsharkwillcooke: caps lock is cruise control for cool ...07:20
Sweetshark... but you still have to steer ;)07:20
willcooke:D07:25
willcookeTheMuso, just packing my kid off to school, be with you in a couple of mins07:27
TheMusowillcooke: No worries.07:27
willcookeTheMuso, ok, joining the hangout now07:33
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seb128good morning desktopers08:03
seb128larsu, hey, about evince, I guess we could hide the toolbar in the recently open view08:03
seb128larsu, the uitk icon change finally landed :-)08:16
larsuseb128: nice! I'll prepare the settings and unity8 branches after fixing evince theming08:23
seb128larsu, thanks08:24
seb128larsu, thanks for the evince review btw :-)08:24
larsuyw08:24
didrockspopey: do you know how to ask for the canonical and ubuntu flairs on reddit? it seems that we can't comment anymore on http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/l5b3x/members_and_canonical_employees_claim_your_flair/08:56
popeydidrocks: maybe ask rww (on irc) and he can do it as a mod?08:56
didrocksthanks popey :)08:58
didrocksTrevinho: any news on the Unity launcher bug? I'm getting it quite regularly with the number of installation I'm doing09:16
seb128was Laney supposed to be back today?09:56
willcookeseb128, because of the delays he's taking another day09:57
willcookesee UE Holiday Calendar - which is now always up to date for our team ;)09:57
seb128willcooke, ok, thanks09:57
* larsu applauds willcooke09:57
seb128willcooke, speaking of which, is that ok if I take tomorrow off?09:58
willcooke\o/09:58
seb128thanks ;-)09:58
willcookeseb128, sure thing09:58
seb128willcooke, what does "pto" stands for?09:59
willcookeseb128, "Paid Time Off" - it's the new jam09:59
seb128thanks09:59
willcookethe HR system calls it that09:59
willcookeI think it's am Americanism09:59
willcooke*an09:59
willcookepersonally, I like "holiday" but that has some kind of special meaning apparently10:00
larsudo we have UTO as well?10:00
larsusounds like it...10:00
willcookelarsu, yup10:02
larsunice, thanks!10:03
seb128larsu, hum, your settings StatusIcon -> Icon creates issues10:04
larsu"issues"?10:05
seb128larsu, sorry, was taking screenshot10:09
seb128larsu, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/icons.png10:09
seb128larsu, without the change they are placed as they should10:09
larsuseb128: clearly this should not happen :D10:09
seb128larsu, that's what I though :p10:10
larsuseb128: I'll have a look after lunch10:10
seb128larsu, thanks10:10
seb128larsu, works fine if I specify width: height10:11
larsuseb128: I'm pretty sure you need to do this now10:13
larsuunless it's a rectangular icon10:13
larsuwell, you always needed to do it with Icon, just not with StatusIcon10:13
larsuI missed that I guess10:13
seb128larsu, ok, please add that to your mp then :-)10:13
larsuI will, thanks10:13
seb128danke10:13
willcookewoot.  Mouse support now greatly improve in the U8 desktop preview10:41
seb128willcooke, what changed?10:41
willcookeseb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/128907210:41
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1289072 in unity8-desktop-session (Ubuntu) "Nested servers need cursor support" [High,In progress]10:41
seb128I need to upgrade that box, too many things to try between desktop, lts, rtm, next :-)10:42
seb128oh, nice10:42
willcookeFrom my testing I can open the launcher and side stage etc with the mouse, which I don't /think/ I could do before10:42
seb128great10:42
seb128I'm going to test after lunch10:42
seb128outdated version, then upgrade and look at the difference ;-)10:42
willcookecool, seb128 if you can confirm it's better now I'll knock out another screen cast10:43
seb128ok10:43
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Cimiseb128, larsu chromium has overlay scrollbars in chrome://flags11:30
Cimithey are exactly as I like them, inside the window11:31
seb128Cimi, indeed, but my point stands, that's not consistent between toolkits11:32
seb128their implementation is different from ours11:32
larsuCimi: ya, those are really nice (except the animation is too slow)11:32
larsuCimi: facebook has similar ones11:32
Cimiseb128, I know it is11:32
CimiI like that implementation11:32
seb128larsu, would it be easier for us to do that, rather than we have atm?11:32
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Cimiwhen I was asked to work on overlay scrollbars 4 years ago, I proposed them to be exactly how they are now11:33
larsuseb128: not sure, but I bet mpt would prefer it11:33
Cimiseb128, larsu MUCH simpler11:33
* seb128 hides the vodka11:33
Cimifirst of all, they are inside the window11:33
didrocksyeah, and so no crazy X window ouside :)11:34
Cimiso you can override the rendering11:34
larsuCimi: because there's no additional window needed?11:34
larsuya, makes sense11:34
Cimiand add something on top11:34
Cimiyou just get the mouse event from GDK11:34
seb128well it's basically changing the scrollbar widget look dynamically11:34
seb128making it thin or a bit bigger11:34
Cimiusing the same filtering as it is now, but you draw within the same window11:34
Cimiseb128, something like that11:35
Cimibut is lot easier and simpler11:35
Cimionly thing I can think is that a child window is still required, because it has to go on top of embedded windows like flash player or video stuff11:36
CimiI don't know if gtk arrived to be 100% with a single window11:36
Cimiwe just need to convince design11:36
larsu"just"11:37
seb128willcooke, JohnLea, ^ could design we convinced to do overlay-scrollbars the way facebook/chrome/etc are doing it?11:41
seb128e.g a small ui that turn into a scrollbar on mouse proximity, in the window (rather than a thumb outside)11:42
* didrocks likes the 3rd arguments of Assert* in tests11:48
didrocksnose.proxy.AssertionError: 2 != 1 : {'eclipse-adt': <udtc.frameworks.android.EclipseAdt object at 0x7f4c96d9c710>, 'android-studio': <udtc.frameworks.android.AndroidStudio object at 0x7f4c96d9cf28>}11:48
* didrocks hugs pitti for the advice!11:48
pittididrocks: quoi ?11:49
pittididrocks: oh, for showing the contents if the lenght isn't expected? :-)11:49
didrockspitti: because I'm getting more than 2 != 1 but the content as well :)11:49
didrocksyep11:49
pittididrocks: yeah, a test that goes "I fail, go figure, *smirk*" is always annoying :)11:49
didrocksindeed, great tip on that extra arg :)11:50
Cimiseb128, john is on holiday till october11:50
seb128Cimi, k11:50
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Trevinhodidrocks: not yet, sorry...12:28
didrocksTrevinho: do you have any ETA?12:29
didrockswe discussed it in may at first IIRC, that would be nice to get that fixed ;)12:29
Trevinhodidrocks: Mh not yet, but soon I hope... Do you get that in trusty too, right?12:30
didrocksTrevinho: yeah, trusty (less often), but utopic as well12:30
didrocksTrevinho: it kind of give a bad perception of our developer tools I guess as the last step silently seems to fail for the user…12:31
didrocks(until they logout/login)12:31
willcookeseb128, @ scroll bars - I'll sync up with JohnLea next week and see what he says12:45
seb128willcooke, thanks12:45
willcookeseb128, didrocks do you guys play Cards Against Humanity (as well as gambling and card games ;) 013:52
seb128willcooke, I played in Oakland, fun game13:52
seb128why?13:53
willcookeseb128, just thinking of things to do at the sprint13:53
willcookeapart from, ya know, work13:53
seb128right13:53
seb128team dinner? ;-)13:53
willcookeas well as team dinner13:54
willcookeIf I buy you all beer you have to play cards with me.  that's the deal13:54
willcooke;)13:54
willcookeseb128, did you upgrade your u8 machine yet?  No hurry, just curious14:01
seb128willcooke, no, get carried away on debugging qml issues, upgrade running now, thanks for the reminder ;-)14:08
seb128willcooke, I can see a working mouse cursor before upgrading14:10
didrockswillcooke: buying beer is to make our non native english even more sucky? :)14:37
didrocksseems like a strategy ;)14:37
willcooke:D14:40
willcookeseb128, working = you can open the launcher etc?14:41
seb128willcooke, yes, I can see the cursor, click on icons, dnd the launcher on the left, dnd out the right pane, display indicators, etc14:44
willcookeseb128, hrm.  I must have remembered wrongly14:44
willcookeseb128, kk. thx14:44
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seb128yw14:45
seb128Laney, should I upload evince or do you want the theme/upstreaming issues to be sorted out before?15:19
seb128kenvandine, I think one of your changes created issues in the update panel, it starts downloading updates on opening now, even if set on "never"15:24
kenvandineugh... it shouldn't!15:24
kenvandinethat's why i added that check for download mode15:24
seb128kenvandine, it does it consistently for me, I rebooted the device, still doing it15:24
kenvandine:/15:24
kenvandineok, i'll look at it15:24
kenvandineplease file a bug15:24
seb128kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/136829415:25
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1368294 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Starts downloading update on panel open when it shouldn't" [High,New]15:25
seb128kenvandine, let me know if you can confirm or not15:25
kenvandineseb128, will do, thanks!15:26
seb128thanks15:27
didrocksseb128: do you mind running "python3 -c 'import platform; print(platform.machine())'16:10
didrockson your glorious 32 bits machine, please? :)16:11
seb128i68616:11
didrocksperfect, thanks! :)16:11
seb128yw!16:11
* didrocks wanted to avoid running dpkg-architecture during the tests16:11
willcookeseb128s 32 bit machine:  http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PFA8vX912YM/UETRgtXQBUI/AAAAAAAAAh8/zN7taxwmsvA/s1600/wooden+computer.jpg16:22
seb128lol16:23
willcookeEOD - tata17:32
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robert_ancellLaney, is the gnome-session change in bzr delayed for any reason - can I make a release?20:51

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