[04:00] <TheMuso> c
[04:48] <pitti> Good morning
[05:41] <didrocks> morning
[06:44] <Sweetshark> GoOOood morning, Ubuntu!
[06:48] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark
[06:57] <larsu> good morning!
[07:06] <didrocks> morning larsu
[07:09] <willcooke> MORNING
[07:09] <willcooke> oops.  Caps lock FTW
[07:09] <larsu> GOOD MORNING WILL
[07:10] <willcooke> :D
[07:13] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[07:17] <willcooke> hi TheMuso
[07:18] <didrocks> hey willcooke, TheMuso
[07:18] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[07:20] <Sweetshark> willcooke: caps lock is cruise control for cool ...
[07:20] <Sweetshark> ... but you still have to steer ;)
[07:25] <willcooke> :D
[07:27] <willcooke> TheMuso, just packing my kid off to school, be with you in a couple of mins
[07:27] <TheMuso> willcooke: No worries.
[07:33] <willcooke> TheMuso, ok, joining the hangout now
[08:03] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:03] <seb128> larsu, hey, about evince, I guess we could hide the toolbar in the recently open view
[08:16] <seb128> larsu, the uitk icon change finally landed :-)
[08:23] <larsu> seb128: nice! I'll prepare the settings and unity8 branches after fixing evince theming
[08:24] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[08:24] <seb128> larsu, thanks for the evince review btw :-)
[08:24] <larsu> yw
[08:56] <didrocks> popey: do you know how to ask for the canonical and ubuntu flairs on reddit? it seems that we can't comment anymore on http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/l5b3x/members_and_canonical_employees_claim_your_flair/
[08:56] <popey> didrocks: maybe ask rww (on irc) and he can do it as a mod?
[08:58] <didrocks> thanks popey :)
[09:16] <didrocks> Trevinho: any news on the Unity launcher bug? I'm getting it quite regularly with the number of installation I'm doing
[09:56] <seb128> was Laney supposed to be back today?
[09:57] <willcooke> seb128, because of the delays he's taking another day
[09:57] <willcooke> see UE Holiday Calendar - which is now always up to date for our team ;)
[09:57] <seb128> willcooke, ok, thanks
[09:57]  * larsu applauds willcooke
[09:58] <seb128> willcooke, speaking of which, is that ok if I take tomorrow off?
[09:58] <willcooke> \o/
[09:58] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[09:58] <willcooke> seb128, sure thing
[09:59] <seb128> willcooke, what does "pto" stands for?
[09:59] <willcooke> seb128, "Paid Time Off" - it's the new jam
[09:59] <seb128> thanks
[09:59] <willcooke> the HR system calls it that
[09:59] <willcooke> I think it's am Americanism
[09:59] <willcooke> *an
[10:00] <willcooke> personally, I like "holiday" but that has some kind of special meaning apparently
[10:00] <larsu> do we have UTO as well?
[10:00] <larsu> sounds like it...
[10:02] <willcooke> larsu, yup
[10:03] <larsu> nice, thanks!
[10:04] <seb128> larsu, hum, your settings StatusIcon -> Icon creates issues
[10:05] <larsu> "issues"?
[10:09] <seb128> larsu, sorry, was taking screenshot
[10:09] <seb128> larsu, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/icons.png
[10:09] <seb128> larsu, without the change they are placed as they should
[10:09] <larsu> seb128: clearly this should not happen :D
[10:10] <seb128> larsu, that's what I though :p
[10:10] <larsu> seb128: I'll have a look after lunch
[10:10] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[10:11] <seb128> larsu, works fine if I specify width: height
[10:13] <larsu> seb128: I'm pretty sure you need to do this now
[10:13] <larsu> unless it's a rectangular icon
[10:13] <larsu> well, you always needed to do it with Icon, just not with StatusIcon
[10:13] <larsu> I missed that I guess
[10:13] <seb128> larsu, ok, please add that to your mp then :-)
[10:13] <larsu> I will, thanks
[10:13] <seb128> danke
[10:41] <willcooke> woot.  Mouse support now greatly improve in the U8 desktop preview
[10:41] <seb128> willcooke, what changed?
[10:41] <willcooke> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1289072
[10:41] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1289072 in unity8-desktop-session (Ubuntu) "Nested servers need cursor support" [High,In progress]
[10:42] <seb128> I need to upgrade that box, too many things to try between desktop, lts, rtm, next :-)
[10:42] <seb128> oh, nice
[10:42] <willcooke> From my testing I can open the launcher and side stage etc with the mouse, which I don't /think/ I could do before
[10:42] <seb128> great
[10:42] <seb128> I'm going to test after lunch
[10:42] <seb128> outdated version, then upgrade and look at the difference ;-)
[10:43] <willcooke> cool, seb128 if you can confirm it's better now I'll knock out another screen cast
[10:43] <seb128> ok
[11:30] <Cimi> seb128, larsu chromium has overlay scrollbars in chrome://flags
[11:31] <Cimi> they are exactly as I like them, inside the window
[11:32] <seb128> Cimi, indeed, but my point stands, that's not consistent between toolkits
[11:32] <seb128> their implementation is different from ours
[11:32] <larsu> Cimi: ya, those are really nice (except the animation is too slow)
[11:32] <larsu> Cimi: facebook has similar ones
[11:32] <Cimi> seb128, I know it is
[11:32] <Cimi> I like that implementation
[11:32] <seb128> larsu, would it be easier for us to do that, rather than we have atm?
[11:33] <Cimi> when I was asked to work on overlay scrollbars 4 years ago, I proposed them to be exactly how they are now
[11:33] <larsu> seb128: not sure, but I bet mpt would prefer it
[11:33] <Cimi> seb128, larsu MUCH simpler
[11:33]  * seb128 hides the vodka
[11:33] <Cimi> first of all, they are inside the window
[11:34] <didrocks> yeah, and so no crazy X window ouside :)
[11:34] <Cimi> so you can override the rendering
[11:34] <larsu> Cimi: because there's no additional window needed?
[11:34] <larsu> ya, makes sense
[11:34] <Cimi> and add something on top
[11:34] <Cimi> you just get the mouse event from GDK
[11:34] <seb128> well it's basically changing the scrollbar widget look dynamically
[11:34] <seb128> making it thin or a bit bigger
[11:34] <Cimi> using the same filtering as it is now, but you draw within the same window
[11:35] <Cimi> seb128, something like that
[11:35] <Cimi> but is lot easier and simpler
[11:36] <Cimi> only thing I can think is that a child window is still required, because it has to go on top of embedded windows like flash player or video stuff
[11:36] <Cimi> I don't know if gtk arrived to be 100% with a single window
[11:36] <Cimi> we just need to convince design
[11:37] <larsu> "just"
[11:41] <seb128> willcooke, JohnLea, ^ could design we convinced to do overlay-scrollbars the way facebook/chrome/etc are doing it?
[11:42] <seb128> e.g a small ui that turn into a scrollbar on mouse proximity, in the window (rather than a thumb outside)
[11:48]  * didrocks likes the 3rd arguments of Assert* in tests
[11:48] <didrocks> nose.proxy.AssertionError: 2 != 1 : {'eclipse-adt': <udtc.frameworks.android.EclipseAdt object at 0x7f4c96d9c710>, 'android-studio': <udtc.frameworks.android.AndroidStudio object at 0x7f4c96d9cf28>}
[11:48]  * didrocks hugs pitti for the advice!
[11:49] <pitti> didrocks: quoi ?
[11:49] <pitti> didrocks: oh, for showing the contents if the lenght isn't expected? :-)
[11:49] <didrocks> pitti: because I'm getting more than 2 != 1 but the content as well :)
[11:49] <didrocks> yep
[11:49] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, a test that goes "I fail, go figure, *smirk*" is always annoying :)
[11:50] <didrocks> indeed, great tip on that extra arg :)
[11:50] <Cimi> seb128, john is on holiday till october
[11:50] <seb128> Cimi, k
[12:28] <Trevinho> didrocks: not yet, sorry...
[12:29] <didrocks> Trevinho: do you have any ETA?
[12:29] <didrocks> we discussed it in may at first IIRC, that would be nice to get that fixed ;)
[12:30] <Trevinho> didrocks: Mh not yet, but soon I hope... Do you get that in trusty too, right?
[12:30] <didrocks> Trevinho: yeah, trusty (less often), but utopic as well
[12:31] <didrocks> Trevinho: it kind of give a bad perception of our developer tools I guess as the last step silently seems to fail for the user…
[12:31] <didrocks> (until they logout/login)
[12:45] <willcooke> seb128, @ scroll bars - I'll sync up with JohnLea next week and see what he says
[12:45] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[13:52] <willcooke> seb128, didrocks do you guys play Cards Against Humanity (as well as gambling and card games ;) 0
[13:52] <seb128> willcooke, I played in Oakland, fun game
[13:53] <seb128> why?
[13:53] <willcooke> seb128, just thinking of things to do at the sprint
[13:53] <willcooke> apart from, ya know, work
[13:53] <seb128> right
[13:53] <seb128> team dinner? ;-)
[13:54] <willcooke> as well as team dinner
[13:54] <willcooke> If I buy you all beer you have to play cards with me.  that's the deal
[13:54] <willcooke> ;)
[14:01] <willcooke> seb128, did you upgrade your u8 machine yet?  No hurry, just curious
[14:08] <seb128> willcooke, no, get carried away on debugging qml issues, upgrade running now, thanks for the reminder ;-)
[14:10] <seb128> willcooke, I can see a working mouse cursor before upgrading
[14:37] <didrocks> willcooke: buying beer is to make our non native english even more sucky? :)
[14:37] <didrocks> seems like a strategy ;)
[14:40] <willcooke> :D
[14:41] <willcooke> seb128, working = you can open the launcher etc?
[14:44] <seb128> willcooke, yes, I can see the cursor, click on icons, dnd the launcher on the left, dnd out the right pane, display indicators, etc
[14:44] <willcooke> seb128, hrm.  I must have remembered wrongly
[14:44] <willcooke> seb128, kk. thx
[14:45] <seb128> yw
[15:19] <seb128> Laney, should I upload evince or do you want the theme/upstreaming issues to be sorted out before?
[15:24] <seb128> kenvandine, I think one of your changes created issues in the update panel, it starts downloading updates on opening now, even if set on "never"
[15:24] <kenvandine> ugh... it shouldn't!
[15:24] <kenvandine> that's why i added that check for download mode
[15:24] <seb128> kenvandine, it does it consistently for me, I rebooted the device, still doing it
[15:24] <kenvandine> :/
[15:24] <kenvandine> ok, i'll look at it
[15:24] <kenvandine> please file a bug
[15:25] <seb128> kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1368294
[15:25] <seb128> kenvandine, let me know if you can confirm or not
[15:26] <kenvandine> seb128, will do, thanks!
[15:27] <seb128> thanks
[16:10] <didrocks> seb128: do you mind running "python3 -c 'import platform; print(platform.machine())'
[16:11] <didrocks> on your glorious 32 bits machine, please? :)
[16:11] <seb128> i686
[16:11] <didrocks> perfect, thanks! :)
[16:11] <seb128> yw!
[16:11]  * didrocks wanted to avoid running dpkg-architecture during the tests
[16:22] <willcooke> seb128s 32 bit machine:  http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PFA8vX912YM/UETRgtXQBUI/AAAAAAAAAh8/zN7taxwmsvA/s1600/wooden+computer.jpg
[16:23] <seb128> lol
[17:32] <willcooke> EOD - tata
[20:51] <robert_ancell> Laney, is the gnome-session change in bzr delayed for any reason - can I make a release?