[00:32] <Drew_Neilson> hi everyone
[00:33] <Drew_Neilson> Ubuntu Touch is finished, right?  And now we're just waiting for OEMs to release phones?\
[01:45] <nhaines> Drew_Neilson: nope!  Lots of improvements are still being worked on.
[01:57] <half_mast> does anyone know if the ubuntu store is down or something?
[02:17] <Drew_Neilson> nhaines: I just got your response.  Does anyone have an ETA for when Ubuntu Touch will be finished?  If not, a ballpark guess or best guess?
[02:19] <Drew_Neilson> afk
[03:46] <Mirv> Wellark: !!!
[04:49] <pitti> barry: I'm around now
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[06:49] <rigved> good morning
[08:20] <zyga> balloons: our current touch app is in lp:checkbox in the checkbox-touch directory
[08:20] <zyga> balloons: I'm off today but I can ask a friend to build it for you quickly
[08:24] <seb128> tvoss, hey, do you have a workaround for the location service eating cpu issue? it keeps doing it and that impact and my phone gets flat overnight if not connected :/
[08:25] <tvoss> seb128, not yet, haven't had time to look into it. later today
[08:26] <tvoss> seb128, alternatively: just stop the service on the cmd line
[08:26] <seb128> tvoss, ok, thanks anyway
[08:27] <seb128> tvoss, that seems to work, thanks
[08:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Make Your Bed Day! :-D
[08:54] <dholbach> on devel-proposed on mako, I get "Europe/Berlin UTC+0" as timezone in the settings
[08:54] <dholbach> it should be UTC+2 though
[08:54] <dholbach> is this a known bug?
[08:55] <dholbach> ogra_, do you know maybe? ^
[08:56] <seb128> dholbach, how did you change/Select it?
[08:56] <dholbach> seb128, in the settings
[08:56] <dholbach> shall I try anything else?
[08:57] <seb128> dholbach, what is in /etc/timezone?
[08:57] <seb128> dholbach, I've "Europe/Berlin UTC+2" here
[08:57] <dholbach> seb128, Europe/Berlin
[08:57] <seb128> when selecting Berlin
[08:57] <seb128> dholbach, k, dunno, doesn't make sense to me
[08:57] <seb128> dholbach, is the time correct?
[08:57] <dholbach> yes, but in some places, the saved time is wrong
[08:58] <dholbach> like for text messages
[08:58] <seb128> "saved"?
[08:58] <seb128> hum
[08:58] <seb128> dunno then
[08:58] <seb128> doesn't seem a settings bug though, if the clock is wrong in other places
[08:58] <dholbach> or in the clock it says "Berlin 2h ahead"
[08:59] <seb128> it's like your system config was not matching the timezone on disk
[08:59] <seb128> dholbach, what's the output of "timedatectl"?
[09:00] <dholbach> seb128,
[09:00] <dholbach> root@ubuntu-phablet:~# date; date -u
[09:00] <dholbach> Thu Sep 11 08:59:55 UTC 2014
[09:00] <dholbach> Thu Sep 11 08:59:55 UTC 2014
[09:00] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8317197/
[09:00] <popey> Saviq: I wasn't sure where to put this bug 1368101  - so unity8 got it ☻
[09:00] <ubot5`> bug 1368101 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Suspended apps don't restart when launched from another app" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1368101
[09:01] <seb128> dholbach, hum, that thinks that berlin is utc+0 as well
[09:01] <seb128> pitti, hey, did you see issues similars to ^ before?
[09:01] <seb128> pitti, not sure if timedatectl is only relaying info there?
[09:01] <seb128> it thinks that berlin is utc+0
[09:02] <Saviq> popey, you did good, it will between unity8 and qtmir
[09:02] <popey> \o/
[09:06] <pitti> seb128, dholbach: could be that timedated's internal brain thinks it's Europe/Berlin, but it wasn't able to write that to the fs? what does /etc/timezone say?
[09:06] <seb128> pitti, <dholbach> seb128, Europe/Berlin
[09:07] <dholbach> yep
[09:07] <seb128> (that was the reply to "<seb128> dholbach, what is in /etc/timezone?")
[09:07] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8317197/ - if that helps
[09:07] <nik90> ogra_: hey, do you know where the nexus 4 is mounted on the system? I am trying to symlink it to my lxc container.
[09:07] <ogra_> nik90, mounted ?
[09:08] <nik90> ogra_: I searched in /dev, /mnt, /media etc
[09:08] <pitti> seb128, dholbach: hm, then perhaps /etc/localtime is wrong
[09:08] <pitti> check with "strings /etc/localtime"
[09:08] <dholbach> errr
[09:08] <dholbach> yes
[09:08] <dholbach> that's totally confused
[09:08] <dholbach> it says "/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.corasaaa.webogram/0.5.1"
[09:08] <dholbach> ???
[09:08] <pitti> WTF
[09:08] <ogra_> nik90, do you mean mtp ? nothing gets mounted for mtp, there ar a server and a client that communicate over the USB wire
[09:09] <dholbach> pitti, how can I readjust its tiny brain?
[09:09] <pitti> dholbach: /etc/localtime (and /etc/timezone) should be symlinks to /etc/writable/{localtime,timezone}; are they?
[09:09] <pitti> dholbach: hm, change it to something else and change it back again?
[09:09] <nik90> ogra_: I am not exactly sure, I am just trying to get my lxc container to recognise that the  n4 is connected to my system
[09:09] <pitti> but not sure how the files became so corrupted
[09:09] <nik90> ogra_: on talking to stgraber, he said I might need to map /dev/usb from the host to the lxc.
[09:09] <dholbach> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8317232/
[09:10] <pitti> strings /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin
[09:10] <ogra_> nik90, right, something like that ... there is no mount at all
[09:10] <nik90> ok
[09:10] <pitti> dholbach: ^ does that look more sensible? (should be some gibberish with lots of CEST and CET in it)
[09:10] <dholbach> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8317246/
[09:10] <dholbach> yep, that looks good
[09:10] <pitti> ok, so the file copy got corrupted somehow
[09:11] <dholbach> pitti, shall I just copy it over? it looks a lot like what I have on my laptop
[09:11] <dholbach> err, like what's in /etc/localtime there
[09:11] <pitti> dholbach: changing the timezone back and forth ought to fix it
[09:12] <pitti> if not, you have a reproducible (and utterly weird) bug
[09:12] <pitti> unless /etc/writable/localtime can't actually be written to
[09:12] <Tassadar> dobey: image 236 has the backlight fix \o/
[09:12] <dholbach> pitti, ok, it's fixed now
[09:12] <dholbach> seb128, ^
[09:13] <pitti> so something messed up /etc/writable/
[09:13] <seb128> :-/
[09:13] <dholbach> bizarre - I changed it a couple of times, but it didn't work - now it's UTC+2
[09:13] <dholbach> thanks a lot for the help
[10:26] <afiskon> Hello everyone. I was using ubuntu touch (devel, 203r @ lg nexus 4) for a few days and noticed some problems with a clock. I.e. sometimes it shows 10:30 PM, but a real time is 10:45 PM. Is there any known workaround for this issue?
[10:37] <jitendravyas> I installed Ubuntu Touch in my google nexus
[10:37] <jitendravyas> Now I'm unable to installl
[10:54] <sturmflut-work> Will anybody here go to LinuxCon Europe 2014 in Düsseldorf?
[10:56] <pitti> sturmflut-work: I will
[11:10] <sturmflut-work> pitti: We are currently deciding who will go to Düsseldorf. Do you know if Canonical has a booth or something?
[11:10] <pitti> sturmflut-work: no, certainly not a booth; I wanted to give a talk, but missed the deadline
[11:10] <pitti> sturmflut-work: most Canonical folks actually go to the kernel summit
[11:11] <pitti> sturmflut-work: but there's also e. g. stgraber and hallyn with an LXC trck
[11:11] <pitti> track
[11:19] <sturmflut-work> pitti: Hm, the Linux Plumbers Conference is right after. But I don't think my employer lets me go to both conferences just for the fun. I am already going to SC14...
[11:19] <pitti> yeah, I'm at both
[11:59] <pitti> cjwatson: I'm setting up a cronjob for the ubuntu-rtm langpacks; so far I've copied them from utopic, but I suppose over time we might get a bigger delta
[11:59] <pitti> cjwatson: how can I upload something to ubuntu-rtm?
[11:59] <pitti> i. e. where to dput them?
[11:59] <cjwatson> pitti: same as ubuntu but with incoming = ubuntu-rtm
[12:00] <pitti> cjwatson: ah splendid, thanks
[12:00] <pitti> cjwatson: will uploading to "14.09" automatically be mapped to -proposed, or should I do that explicitly in the .changes?
[12:01] <cjwatson> pitti: should be mapped
[12:01] <cjwatson> pitti: or you can use devel
[12:01] <pitti> cjwatson: I'd rather not, as I get them from https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/+language-packs (i. e. release specific)
[12:02] <cjwatson> pitti: well, devel is contextual by distribution
[12:02] <pitti> and we might support multiple releases in parallel, like for ubuntu
[12:02] <cjwatson> ah right
[12:02] <pitti> yes, I meant relase, not distro
[12:02] <cjwatson> pitti: sure.  14.09 will indeed be mapped
[12:02] <pitti> yay, thanks
[12:02] <pitti> so dput --config, there I go
[12:25] <balloons> zyga, thanks. no worries on getting it built.. I'm out as well and can't look at it today anyway
[12:47] <pitti> hm, developer mode in the emulator is still shaky; it only seems to work on first boot, then adb never comes up :(
[12:48] <dobey> Tassadar: woot. just upgraded :)
[12:49] <sergiusens> ogra_: did you review my default password thingy?
[12:49] <ogra_> didnt i top approve that ?
[12:49]  * ogra_ checks
[12:50] <sergiusens> ogra_: I don't know, I'm in email hell for MPs
[12:50] <ogra_> apparently i didnt yet ... approved all over the place
[12:50] <sergiusens> ogra_: it wasn't ;-)
[12:50] <ogra_> :)
[12:51] <Tassadar> ogra_: hi, do you know why flo images are three versions behind mako's?
[12:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm going to be creating a new team perhaps to get our cor stuff together; having all the apps and everything under phablet-team makes it hard to notice things
[12:51] <ogra_> ++
[12:51] <sergiusens> if the information flow is too much, it just becomes noise
[12:52] <ogra_> Tassadar, thats how it is now... there was never a guarantee they will stay in sync ...
[12:52] <ogra_> we are at a point where devices will drift apart now
[12:53] <sergiusens> Tassadar: what you probably care about is the ubuntu part actually being latest on all
[12:53] <ogra_> (custom tarballs being added, device tarballs being changed etc ... the system-images do not only get triggered by rootfs builds anymore)
[13:02] <Cimi> guys, I don't remember how to upgrade lxc-android-config via apt on a phone
[13:07] <ogra_> Cimi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/lxc-android-config
[13:08] <ogra_> via recovery
[13:23] <om26er> whats posclientd ? its taking like 100% cpu constant
[13:23] <ogra_> it is the positioning service ...
[13:23] <ogra_> tvoss, lool ^^
[13:24] <lool> yes
[13:24] <lool> om26er: what device is still on?
[13:24] <om26er> lool, mako, image 235
[13:25] <om26er> ...and slpgwd is also on 100%
[13:25] <lool> om26er: are you connected to wifi and GSM? do you see anything under /var/log/upstart/?
[13:26] <om26er> lool, ubuntu-espoo-service.log ?
[13:26] <om26er> and yes, wifi is on and GSM as well
[13:27] <lool> om26er: that, or ubuntu-location-provider-here-posclientd.log
[13:27] <lool> tvoss: so I'm trying to find the dbus-cpp docs to check whether interface_name() is the thing that shouldbe used in espoo/include
[13:28] <lool> tvoss: is there no doc? just the headers?
[13:28] <om26er> lool, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8318912/
[13:28] <lool> tvoss: ups echan
[13:29] <lool> om26er: is that actually growing? tail -f it
[13:30] <lool> om26er: could you file a bug about this, please note which daemons are running: ofono, posclientd, slpgwd, ubuntu-espoo-service and ubuntu-location-serviced; also check whetehr you have any crash file
[13:31] <om26er> lool, the file is not growing..
[13:31] <lool> om26er: could you try tracing the process?
[13:31] <om26er> lool, also ubuntu-espoo-service.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/8318938/
[13:32] <om26er> lool, never done that, how do I do that ?
[13:32] <lool> om26er: yeah, taht one we know of
[13:32] <lool> om26er: apt-get install strace; strace -f -p $(pidof xyz)
[13:36] <om26er> lool, for how long you need the trace ? here is one for a very small time http://paste.ubuntu.com/8318994/
[13:36] <om26er> it keeps printing that line forever
[13:37] <barry> pitti: hi.  i think i figured it out.  i was trying to trace how the apport sys.excepthook worked, and why when a dbus error occurred it wasn't dumping me out of the process.  but i *think* i figured it all out
[13:38] <lool> om26er: so it's busy-looping on a lock
[13:39] <lool> om26er: I guess we would want to gdb it and get a backtrace of where this lock is taken
[13:39] <lool> om26er: problem is this is a proprietary piece
[13:39] <lool> om26er: so try attaching gdb to it and getting a bt, otherwise just report it with above info
[13:40] <om26er> lool, ok, trying and will attach that to the bug. Which package you want the bug reported against ?
[13:40] <lool> om26er: could you file that against the espoo project?
[13:47] <jgdx> pmcgowan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1287249
[14:06] <ogra_> cwayne, yo
[14:07] <cwayne> ogra_: otp, whats up
[14:07] <ogra_> cwayne, ah, ping back when you are off :)
[14:07] <ogra_> (not urgent)
[14:11] <kenvandine> jgdx, your 2 wifi related branches conflict with each other :)
[14:12] <kenvandine> jgdx, can you fix your wifi-other-nets-button-fix-1362127 branch?
[14:12] <kenvandine> jgdx, my branch is based on that...
[14:13] <jgdx> oh
[14:15] <jgdx> kenvandine, how? I'm not seeing it
[14:16] <kenvandine> i tried merging them... got a conflict
[14:18] <jgdx> right
[14:25] <jgdx> kenvandine, pushed r1007
[14:25] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx!
[14:52] <Chipaca> kenvandine: OHI
[14:52] <Chipaca> kenvandine: could you take a peek at https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/ubuntu-system-settings/push-helper-to-spec/+merge/234311 ?
[14:56] <novato> Hola..alguno ha portado ubuntu-touch a otros cellsphones...?
[14:58] <kenvandine> Chipaca, sure
[15:24] <ahayzen> tedg, ping
[15:24] <tedg> ahayzen, Howdy!
[15:24] <ahayzen> tedg, Could you tell me who is best to talk to about bugs in the sound-indicator?
[15:25] <tedg> ahayzen, Heh, probably me :-)
[15:25]  * tedg looks for other people to blame
[15:25] <ahayzen> tedg, hehe... i have bug 1368284 and bug 1368291 ... the second probably needing clarification from design
[15:26] <ahayzen> tedg, this is due to MPRIS now being exported from media-hub so the music-app now appears in the sound-indicator \o/
[15:26] <tedg> Ah, cool. Yeah, I expect a few bugs there.
[15:26] <tedg> Will put those on the TODO.
[15:26] <ahayzen> tedg, thanks
[15:41] <EiriksUbuntu> can someone tell me why I am having an issue getting to fastboot? It's only letting me into recovery
[15:42] <EiriksUbuntu> I sudo adb fastboot oem unlock and it hangs because it's not in fastboot but recovery
[15:46] <ogra_> EiriksUbuntu, drop the "adb" there ... your chain of commands should have been: "adb reboot bootloader" ... once the bootloader screen shows up: "fastboot oem unlock"
[15:46] <EiriksUbuntu> ok, trying that
[15:48] <EiriksUbuntu> adb reboot bootloader is rebooting the device all the way
[16:09] <EiriksUbuntu> yeah, it won't reboot to bootloader it just reboots
[16:11] <EiriksUbuntu> ogra_ I still can't get it to fastboot
[16:11] <ogra_> what device is that ?
[16:11] <EiriksUbuntu> TRIO 7C
[16:12] <EiriksUbuntu> aka Trio Stealth Pro
[16:12] <seb128> pmcgowan, the display/language bug, isn't the bug/component rather ubuntu-ui-toolkit?
[16:13] <seb128> pmcgowan, we don't use ubuntu-settings-components there, just standard uitk
[16:13] <pmcgowan> seb128, thats not what I am seeing
[16:13] <seb128> where?
[16:14] <pmcgowan> language PageCompomponent imports Menus from settings components
[16:14] <pmcgowan> anud uses Menus.StandardMenu
[16:14] <pmcgowan> am I misreading?
[16:15] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1318008/+merge/234336
[16:15] <seb128> pmcgowan, oh, it is, sorry (I wonder why)
[16:15] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^ can you review that?
[16:15] <seb128> pmcgowan, but ListItem.SingleValue has the same issue
[16:15] <pmcgowan> seb128, ah, I do see some fixed 3 gu type things in the icon
[16:15] <pmcgowan> so maybe tweakble
[16:16] <seb128> pmcgowan, 3. is a toolkit issue though, we have that in any ui, if the title/value don't fit on screen they are elided
[16:17] <pmcgowan> ok
[16:17] <pmcgowan> was thinking they might fit better with a different compoennt, just revewing all bugs when I have time, not critical
[16:17] <seb128> k
[16:17] <seb128> pmcgowan, well, it's an annoying issue for sure
[16:18] <seb128> pmcgowan, jgdx did https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-1363927-long-line-rendering-issue/+merge/233519 recently to workaround that
[16:18] <seb128> but it's hackish and inconsistent
[16:18] <seb128> basically he did a SingleValueStacked component
[16:18] <pmcgowan> hmm ya
[16:18] <seb128> which is similar to SingleValue but stack vertically the value
[16:19] <seb128> but we use that only for some entries
[16:19] <EiriksUbuntu> goodin@linux-power-hdd:~$ ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap
[16:19] <EiriksUbuntu> 2014/09/11 12:18:37 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting
[16:19] <seb128> which means different lines are different behaviours
[16:19] <kenvandine> i think that should be in the toolkit
[16:19] <seb128> kenvandine, k
[16:19] <EiriksUbuntu> grr
[16:19] <seb128> kenvandine, (for the review)
[16:19] <seb128> kenvandine, indeed, it should
[16:19] <kenvandine> seb128, thx
[16:21] <kenvandine> seb128, i'm sure you're the best one to look at the translation of the desktop file changes :)
[16:21] <kenvandine> i basically did exactly the same thing the webbrowser-app did :)
[16:22] <seb128> kenvandine, k, that looks mostly fine on principle (those things are easier using autotools!)
[16:22] <kenvandine> i know!
[16:22] <kenvandine> sometimes i miss autotools :)
[16:22] <kenvandine> but only when using cmake :)
[16:22] <seb128> hehe
[16:23] <EiriksUbuntu> i have tried it manually and terminal... I can't get into bootloader or fastboot
[16:38] <dobey> kenvandine: i only miss it when not using autotools :P
[16:38] <EiriksUbuntu> I found it! But lost as to how to fix it:  the kernel does not write to misc.img so it reboots all the way
[16:38] <EiriksUbuntu> it reboots into recovery only
[16:50] <EiriksUbuntu> is there a way I could adb push a bootloader to my device (misc.img is missing, and the kernel don't make one)
[17:03] <arun_>  hi guys, I have a Samsung S II and its stuck at the bootloader I only have the CWM Recover Mode, There is an error after I install Ubuntu Touch on it, there is black screen, looks like the phone gets shutdown while booting to ubuntu and I get an error in the recovery mode, Can't Open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command checking for autodeploy.zip autodeploy.zip not found
[17:13] <guest868> i use my mako device with dualbooting...android works perfectly but the ubuntu dualboot app in ubuntu touch isnt able to reboot...it just freezes and im not able to open it again..
[17:14] <guest868> can somebody help me?
[17:24] <arun_>  hi guys, I have a Samsung S II and its stuck at the bootloader I only have the CWM Recover Mode, There is an error after I install Ubuntu Touch on it, there is black screen, looks like the phone gets shutdown while booting to ubuntu and I get an error in the recovery mode, Can't Open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command checking for autodeploy.zip autodeploy.zip not found
[18:00] <arun_> hello guys, why doesn't my phone show in lsusb ?
[18:12] <arun_> hi guys, I have a Samsung S II and its stuck at the bootloader I only have the CWM Recover Mode, There is an error after I install Ubuntu Touch on it, there is black screen, looks like the phone gets shutdown while booting to ubuntu and I get an error in the recovery mode, Can't Open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command checking for autodeploy.zip autodeploy.zip not found
[18:12] <ogra_> arun_, did anyone gererate a recent image for the S2 ?
[18:12] <arun_> and why does my phone not shown in lsusb ?
[18:12] <ogra_> the last one i saw was about a year old and will surely not work at all
[18:15] <arun_> ogra_: ^^^
[18:16] <ogra_> i have no idea, probably because the usb device on the phone side isnt up
[18:17] <arun_> ogra_: ok !!
[18:17] <ogra_> do you see it in dmesg right after you plug it in ?
[18:18] <ogra_> or in /var/log/kern.log
[18:18] <arun_> ogra_: so,  won't those images build work fine for s2 ? I got a lot success seen in google
[18:19] <ogra_> the are built against a very ancient ubuntu version ... at least the ones i know ... but i must admit i didnt have time to even look for S2 stuff for more than 6months
[18:19] <ogra_> so probably there is newer stuff now
[18:20] <arun_> ogra_: ok , cat /var/log/kern.log | grep -i Samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 00:13:09 tech kernel: [ 6165.109818] usb 1-4: Product: SAMSUNG_Android
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 00:13:09 tech kernel: [ 6165.109826] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 00:41:13 tech kernel: [ 7849.010265] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 17:08:45 tech kernel: [  290.175101] usb 2-1: Product: SAMSUNG_Android
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 17:08:45 tech kernel: [  290.175110] usb 2-1: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 20:43:11 tech kernel: [ 3713.234252] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 20:48:22 tech kernel: [ 4023.399101] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 20:48:51 tech kernel: [ 4053.080901] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 20:48:52 tech kernel: [ 4053.489014] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <ogra_> ugh
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:03:57 tech kernel: [12159.176896] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:03:59 tech kernel: [12160.248970] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:04:06 tech kernel: [12167.347076] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <ogra_> please use a pastebin for such stuff
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:04:09 tech kernel: [12170.628088] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:04:10 tech kernel: [12171.784076] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:04:58 tech kernel: [12219.656094] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:09 tech kernel: [12230.784843] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <ogra_> i.e paste.ubuntu.com
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:22 tech kernel: [12243.331116] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:22 tech kernel: [12243.845132] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:38 tech kernel: [12259.728095] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:38 tech kernel: [12260.105632] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:20] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:42 tech kernel: [12264.189081] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:21] <arun_> Sep 11 23:05:43 tech kernel: [12264.565211] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: samsung
[18:21] <arun_> ohh man , sorry for the flood
[18:22] <ogra_> right, so obviously your kernel can see the cable and the device, but if the device doesnt offer anything else the kernel or udev  knows you wont be able to do much with it
[18:22] <ogra_> i.e if there is no adb or similar it is just a raw USB device
[18:27] <arun_> ogra_: But, I assume that if must show its info in lsusb
[18:29] <cwayne> ogra_: where are we supposed to put dot-files to check if stuff's run from an upstart job?  i seem to remember it's not in $HOME anywhere anymore
[18:30] <ogra_> cwayne, well, the wizard puts it into home
[18:30] <ogra_> but i assume you want a system thing ?
[18:30] <cwayne> ogra_: yea
[18:30] <cwayne> plus i thought we werent supposed to do it in home anymore in case it runs out of space
[18:31] <ogra_> well, yoou shouldnt do system stuff in home at all
[18:31] <ogra_> :)
[18:32] <cwayne> true :)
[18:32] <ogra_> cwayne, what exactly do you want to do ? we have the boot-hooks that can run on updates etc
[18:32] <ogra_> beyond that i would pick some writable dir in /var
[18:32] <cwayne> ogra_: basically was gonna write a .file to say that this upstart job has been run to ensure its only run once
[18:34] <cyphermox_> mzanetti: ricmm: are you guys aware of https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1357321 ?
[18:34] <cyphermox_> ^ and is there anything I can do to help?
[18:34] <ogra_> cwayne, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-5.8.html ... scroll down ... /var/lib/misc is writable by default
[18:34] <ogra_> drop it there
[18:35] <cwayne> ogra_: cool, thanks
[18:36] <mzanetti> cyphermox_: hmm.. yeah, I guess you could help with this indeed.
[18:36] <cyphermox_> I'm thinking of starting by writing a tiny reproducer, so that at least I understand what's happening
[18:36] <mzanetti> cyphermox_: so far I only know what I posted in there though. QNetworkAccessManager doesn't realize when a connection comes up
[18:36] <cyphermox_> then I'll compare the code I come up with with that's in unity
[18:37] <cyphermox_> see if there's any difference in how things are done if one works and one doesn't
[18:37] <cyphermox_> or at least have a tiny bit of code to test with to come up with a solution
[18:38] <cyphermox_> I should be able to reproduce this failure case simply on my desktop if it's a problem in QNetworkAccessManager
[18:38] <mzanetti> yes, I can reproduce it on the desktop
[18:39] <mzanetti> with an app I wrote
[18:39] <cyphermox_> oh awesome
[18:39] <cyphermox_> something simple? :)
[18:40] <mzanetti> not really, and requires you to have an AR.Drone to be able to notice when it comes up, but let me point you to the code file nevertheless
[18:40] <cyphermox_> ack
[18:40] <cyphermox_> ah, the ar drone ap?
[18:40] <mzanetti> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/dronefly/trunk/view/head:/backend/modules/Dronefly/core.cpp#L76
[18:41] <mzanetti> cyphermox_: that's the place where I delete and recreate the NAM as a workaround
[18:41] <mzanetti> without those 2 lines it'll not work without restarting the app
[18:42] <mzanetti> cyphermox_: this basically just gets called with a timer every 5 secs
[18:42] <cyphermox_> hmm, I see
[18:42] <mzanetti> until the connection to the drone works
[18:42] <cyphermox_> I can reduce this further then
[18:43] <mzanetti> yeah... basically just have a timer, in its slot do some random working network request
[18:43] <cyphermox_> it surprises me though that a network access manager isn't able to figure there's been a change in connection states :/
[18:43] <cyphermox_> yes
[18:43] <mzanetti> well, this does work on other platforms
[18:43] <mzanetti> at least it did on meego
[18:43] <mzanetti> could be a bug from Qt4 -> Qt5 though
[18:46] <cyphermox_> yeah
[18:47] <cyphermox_> either that or an issue in how we build qt
[18:47] <cyphermox_> Note: The network and roaming support in QNetworkAccessManager is conditional upon the platform supporting connection management. The QNetworkConfigurationManager::NetworkSessionRequired can be used to detect whether QNetworkAccessManager utilizes this feature.
[18:55] <mzanetti> hmm... I guess we don't have that in place then
[19:06] <kenvandine> seb128, i'm still puzzled as to why that test started failing on mako, and only mako
[19:06] <kenvandine> but... this does fix it :)
[19:06] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, I don't know, is there always updates available on mako that makes the view shift or something?
[19:06] <kenvandine> well, probably other devices too
[19:06] <kenvandine> that isn't it
[19:06] <seb128> hum
[19:07] <seb128> weird indeed then
[19:07] <kenvandine> i had no updates on mine and i reproduced it
[19:07] <seb128> did you figure out what was the issue?
[19:07] <kenvandine> they started failing on the 4th or 5th
[19:07] <kenvandine> it wasn't getting an item for phonePage
[19:07] <kenvandine> using the logic i had in there before
[19:08] <seb128> did we have many updates on those day?
[19:08] <kenvandine> which used a function that ended up calling some stuff to swipe it into view, etc
[19:08] <kenvandine> if needed
[19:08] <seb128> would be interesting to figure out what change triggered it
[19:08] <kenvandine> there were 2
[19:08] <davmor2> cyphermox_, mzanetti: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1762962374/lego-drone
[19:08] <kenvandine> uitk landings that is
[19:09] <kenvandine> seb128, it was blowing up because when it did a swipe, the y coordinate wasn't changing or somethign
[19:09] <seb128> I hope it's not a toolkit bug
[19:09] <kenvandine> oh... did we land some changes that messed with the contentHeight?
[19:09] <mzanetti> davmor2: heh, I have been in a hacker space last month where they started building this one
[19:09] <kenvandine> or a flickable?
[19:10] <seb128> not on the grid
[19:10] <seb128> nor on the phone page
[19:10] <mzanetti> davmor2: they had already some wooden self made ones (made with their wood laser printer thingie)
[19:10] <davmor2> mzanetti: hahaha
[19:11] <mzanetti> davmor2: I personally fell in love with the Hubsan X4. That thing is real fun :D My cat starts getting comfy with it and tries to catch it now
[19:12] <davmor2> mzanetti: one dead hubsan
[19:12] <mzanetti> no. it's indestructable
[19:16] <davmor2> mzanetti: it's a cat there is no such thing :P
[19:16] <mzanetti> fair point
[19:17] <mzanetti> well, as long as there isn't anything to eat inside I guess its ok
[19:22] <davmor2> mzanetti: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos?pid=5479977697253446162&oid=104244164525559506101 this is the kinda damage cats do :D
[19:23] <mzanetti> hah. yeah... don't give them rubber
[19:24] <davmor2> mzanetti: and this https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/104244164525559506101/albums/5479977470518534417/5479977776047879522?pid=5479977776047879522&oid=104244164525559506101
[19:25] <davmor2> admittedly these are cats that are a little larger than a domestic moggy but it's the same instinct damn it :)
[19:27] <mzanetti> uh... I can see how they do the first one... but the second one doesn't seem like a cat any more :D
[19:30] <davmor2> mzanetti: the first was a big water barrel that the lions played with, the second was the stainless steel door for the enclosure shed that used the rattle in the wind and it annoyed the tiger in the enclosure so he did some rearranging
[19:31] <cyphermox_> davmor2, you mean a kitty cat like this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Canadian_lynx_by_Keith_Williams.jpg
[19:32] <davmor2> cyphermox_: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/104244164525559506101/albums/5479977470518534417/5479979852360756706?pid=5479979852360756706&oid=104244164525559506101 this one
[19:32] <cyphermox_> So cute and cuddly
[19:33] <davmor2> https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/104244164525559506101/albums/5479977470518534417/5479982494408818594?pid=5479982494408818594&oid=104244164525559506101
[19:33] <mzanetti> I can see why you wouldn't give a drone to that one, yes
[19:34] <cyphermox_> That one looks a tiny bit less cuddly
[19:40] <davmor2> cyphermox_: the first one was the one that ripped the steel to shreds
[19:42] <davmor2> cyphermox_: you don't really get an idea of how big he is either,  his paw is the size of a large dinner plate if that helps
[19:56] <kenvandine> Chipaca, i haven't forgotten your branch :)
[19:57] <kenvandine> Chipaca, i'm trying to land some simple bug fixes then i'll get your's lined up
[20:29] <matv1> whats krillin
[20:37] <dobey> dragonball character
[20:39] <matv1> dobey yes thanks very helpfull :)
[20:40] <matv1> a DBZ character who marries android#18 right
[20:40] <dobey> i don't know that much about dbz
[20:43] <matv1> dobey well its seems that it is being tested on now
[20:44] <dobey> testing is important, yeah
[20:44] <matv1> oh well probably just a typo by lukasz :)
[20:55] <Chipaca> matv1: we could tell you what krillin is, but then you'd have to work for us
[20:56] <matv1> i allready do :)
[20:57] <Chipaca> darn
[20:57] <matv1> Chipaca well i dont work very hard but then you ppl dont pay me anything
[20:58] <matv1> where did i go wrong in my life
[20:59] <Chipaca> matv1: what do you do?
[21:00] <matv1> Chipaca: wondering what krillin is
[21:01] <Chipaca> matv1: i mean what do you do in ubuntu
[21:01] <Chipaca> matv1: krillin is like mako
[21:02] <matv1> Chipaca: I basicaly use it and help some other ppl use it as well. I tinker on it untill it brakes also. lately i use your sdk for that so i can break my ubuntu phone with my very own app :) all very rewarding
[21:03] <Chipaca> matv1: neat :)
[21:03] <matv1> Chipaca I know ;)
[21:04] <matv1> Chipaca so krillin is like mako. in what way is it not like mako?
[21:04] <Chipaca> matv1: in the ones in which it differs
[21:04] <Chipaca> it has more letters, for one
[21:04] <Chipaca> and the >kr< sound which some find hard
[21:05] <matv1> Chipaca: yes i wondered why anyone would call their baby that
[21:06] <matv1> Chipaca: can you tell me when its due?
[21:06] <Chipaca> matv1: https://flic.kr/p/dk33i
[21:08] <matv1> Chipaca OMG. I have one thats similar. Buts it doenst look that bad
[21:09] <Chipaca> oddly, that's not the strangest one you can find on flickr :)
[21:09] <Chipaca> anyway, i'm wasting your time :)
[21:10] <matv1> Chipaca yesyes but so am I. I will be looking out for the baby shower though! thnks for the info :)
[21:53] <Tail870> Hello.
[22:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> tbr, hello
[22:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> errm
[22:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ignore that
[22:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> misfire