[05:24] Morning Everyone [05:56] morning [06:23] Maaz: tell Kilos Good Morning [06:23] Squirm: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [06:28] o/ morning [06:28] oh hi Squirm [06:28] morning bduk1, plustwo [06:35] morning nuvolari [06:42] morning all [06:42] how's slaapstad treating you so far nuvolari? [06:48] oh hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:48] it's treating me well thank you ThatGraemeGuy! [06:48] well, except for this morning's traffic :P [06:48] luckily you just missed the really crappy weather [06:48] I tried to get in earlier... almost got to work at the same time as when I leave 30 minutes later [06:49] I'm trying to get rid of the GPS travelling from work to home and vice-versa [06:50] got a little lost twice :P [06:50] where are you travelling from/to? [07:20] morning all [07:20] hi Squirm [07:27] hi ThatGraemeGuy inetpro nuvolari [07:28] hi Kilos [07:43] good mornings [07:43] lo pro [07:47] oh hi oom Kilos [07:50] fiddling with ip addy made my unity's nm-applet disappear [07:50] grrr [07:53] Squirm do you still have that info on how to fix the resolve conf i think it was. i lost all that when my drive crashed [07:57] i want to find a way to change my ip to 192.168.1.1 not the 127.0.0.1 thats forced in here and cant be changed [07:57] grrr [08:03] Kilos: try add it here [08:03] nano /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head [08:04] nuvolari: where are you these days? [08:06] Squirm: Cape Town [08:07] nice [08:07] for a couple of days now :P [08:07] where abouts? [08:08] ok lemme try [08:09] remember Squirm DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN [08:10] you did something last time, i dont member if it was rename or echo or what [08:13] yes [08:13] put it at the bottom of that file [08:14] there is nothing in there [08:14] morning morning Kilos, nuvolari & Squirm [08:14] hi spekko [08:14] what do you mean Kilos ? [08:14] that file is empty [08:14] maybe in /etc/resolconf/head ? [08:15] /etc/resolvconf/head [08:15] lemme see [08:15] also empty [08:15] look around there [08:15] for the head file [08:16] somewhere [08:16] should be somewhere in /etc/resolvconf [08:18] i find in root/etc/resolvconf there is resolv.conf.d [08:20] Squirm: Claremont/Southern suburbs [08:20] and update.d and update-libc.d [08:20] and interface-order [08:24] in resolv.conf.d there is head and base files [08:25] nuvolari: hmm... that's a little far [08:25] I MIGHT be moving to Westlake [08:27] The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head. [08:28] and i did nano after sudo su [08:29] if root cant write to it who can [08:32] sudo nano /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head [08:33] nuvolari: I'm looking for accommodation as well [08:34] the ip addy i put in is there but i see nothing else in there [08:37] then that's wrong [08:37] you have to find the head file [08:38] i see it [08:39] and it shows the ip i put in [08:39] i need my ip to be that so i can access my router [08:42] oi what are you up to? [08:43] Squirm: yeah, it's quite expensive over here :-/ [08:43] well, I guess I'll adapt [08:43] my router is in the 192.168.1.254 range and wont let a pc with an ip that is out of that range in [08:49] ThatGraemeGuy you are on kde right? [08:49] what do you see in that head file [08:52] no [08:53] what do you mean by "wont let a pc with an ip that is out of that range in" [08:54] Kilos: what are you trying to do? change your IP address or DNS servers? [08:54] my ip on this pc [08:54] doesn't your pc get its IP via dhcp on the router? [08:54] so i can tell the router to allow the server to connect with 3g [08:54] oi [08:55] ok never mind [08:55] once before i had to activate something in there to allow internet connection [08:56] the server cant complete its install because it cant go online [08:57] which server? [08:58] the one im installing on a second pc [08:58] mmm [08:58] Kilos: you can always use ifconfig to change it temporarily [08:59] its plugged in to the same router that your normal pc is? [08:59] yes [08:59] and during setup does it automatically get an ip or do you need to configure it manually? [09:00] i have no idea, because the install gets to where you choose a repo [09:01] is it ubuntu server? [09:01] yes 14.04 [09:01] during the install at some point it will say configuring network [09:01] yes [09:01] so you didn't need to do it manually [09:02] is it still in the installation process? [09:02] i had to fiddle and try the auto thing a few times before it passed there [09:02] is it still in the installation process? [09:02] nope i have it on the floor now till i get the router sorted [09:03] meh ok, can't help then [09:03] sorry [09:03] np [09:04] ill change them over. i put xp there to see if i could get in to the router and that works so now i can change it back if i can just get this pc to get into the router [09:04] thats why i want to change my ip addy [09:05] Kilos: you have a strong tendency to try and troubleshoot something and come to some idea of what the fix is in your head, when sometimes maybe you made an earlier assumption or misunderstanding [09:06] and then you come asking how to do "X", when a lot of the time you shouldn't even be messing with X [09:06] could be, my head dont work good [09:06] in this instance i'm not understanding at all why you need to change your IP [09:06] unless you have some exotic network setup, things should just work [09:06] so i can access the router [09:07] my point is that you are assuming the solution is to change your IP, but there is a very good chance you are just not understanding the problem correctly [09:07] nope 14.04 in unity and kde dont even see the router when its plugged in [09:07] ugh you know what forget it [09:07] good luck [09:07] what did i miss now [09:08] hi pipedream [09:09] same as always you do not listen, i am trying to make you understand where you might be going wrong but you keep hammering on the same idea [09:09] sorry [09:10] don't be sorry :) [09:10] no loss to me [09:10] sorry for upsetting you man [09:10] i'm not upset, really [09:11] its frustrating when we try to help you by starting from the beginning and you just ignore what's being said and keep hammering on what you think the issue is [09:11] but anyway [09:12] just a sec ThatGraemeGuy please help me understand [09:12] this pc cant see the router [09:13] what does "see the router" mean though? [09:13] your normal pc? [09:13] so do i connect the server pc to the router and leave this one disconnected [09:13] you have a room full of PCs from what i can tell, saying "this pc" isn't useful to someone on the other side of the country [09:13] yes my normal pc cant use the router [09:14] the PC you are sitting at right now [09:14] yes [09:14] my running kde [09:14] so you are IRC'ing via? magic? [09:15] no man with modem plugged into pc directly [09:15] ... [09:15] then what's the router for? [09:15] in fact, what is the make and model of the thing you are referring to as a router? [09:17] billion b7300nx [09:18] ok so does the usb 3g thing plug into that? [09:18] yessir [09:19] ok, so what's the problem [09:19] not "i need to change my ip", what is actually going wrong when you plug things in the way they should be [09:20] the router only accepts pcs with an ip in the same range [09:20] lets try again [09:20] it doesnt connect with dhcp [09:20] ah [09:20] so the router can't do dhcp? or someone turned it off for some reason? [09:21] nm doesnt see there is an eth connection [09:21] the router does dhcp [09:22] what is plugged into the router's ethernet ports? [09:22] worked on 12.04 after lots of setting changes in it [09:22] what is plugged into the router's ethernet ports? [09:22] nothing now [09:23] you have another working pc you can plug into it without messing with your main pc? [09:23] yes i used a pc with xp on last night [09:23] ok boot that up [09:23] sec [09:24] does that pc manage to get internet access? [09:25] i didnt try as im bang of windows on internet without antivirus and firewalls [09:25] hehe [09:25] let me get that pc setup [09:37] ok xp shows the bipac router in my network places [09:38] and the modem in the router shows it is online to 8ta [09:38] can you browse to a web site? [09:39] nope server not found [09:39] i tried google.com in firefox [09:40] does the pc have an ip? [09:40] yes i gave it 192.168.1.20 last night [09:41] can you ping the router from the pc? [09:41] yes [09:42] and there is a 3g modem plugged in to the router? [09:43] yes [09:43] eish [09:43] then i'm lost further [09:44] lol somewhere in the router settings i had to tell it to allow 3g in place of adsl before [09:44] well then see if you can find that again [09:44] or to allow each individual pc to use the 3g if i remember right [09:44] oh right, that's an adsl router with 3g meant to be the backup [09:45] yes [09:46] i ahd to go to the modem via browser and then tick allow where it showed the different pcs [09:46] was a major job for me [09:46] haha thats why i wanted my main pc to be able to browse to the router [09:47] yeah but none of the reason was mentioned at all i just had to drag all that information from you [09:50] man you okes are clever , you are supposed to see and know what im battling with [09:50] hehe [09:51] from my experience it seems you are battling with yourself more than any technical problems :P [09:51] yip have been for over 10 years now [10:21] wbb [13:34] hello [13:35] :P [13:35] Kilos: seems you're struggling there ^^ [13:40] haha i get into the router with xp squirm and with the browser and i can see it connect with 3g but pcs cant use the 3g [13:40] still looking for what i have missed [13:41] all i want is for ubuntu to allow me to change its ip addy then i can park the xp pc away [13:41] or even use it for my server [13:41] but ram is min on it [13:41] Kilos: it should get a static IP... [13:41] what happened to network manager [13:41] ? [13:42] s/static/dynamic [13:42] i have changed it in nm but ifconfig still shows it as 127.blah blah blahg [13:43] inet addr:127.0.0.1 [13:43] if i can change that all probs will be gone [13:44] i followed an online link to setting a static ip and now unity doesnt even show the nm-applet anymore [13:44] so bang to follow online info from kde as well [13:46] i wonder why they made the ip unchangable [13:51] nano /etc/network/interfaces [13:51] or cat [13:51] is there much in that file? [13:52] 2 lines [13:52] auto lo [13:52] iface lo inet dhcp [13:53] are you sure you're network cable is attached properly ;) [13:53] oh wait [13:53] hmm [13:54] Kilos: ifconfig [13:54] send to me in private [13:54] ok [14:06] I'm out [14:06] o/ [14:08] bye bye nuvolari [14:11] toods nuvolari [14:11] wbb [14:17] Kilos: every PC has an ip of 127.0.0.1 on the loopback interface, you must not mess with that [14:17] ok [14:22] ThatGraemeGuy: his PC thinks he doesn't have a network card [14:23] ok, but then stop worrying about IP addresses and DNS servers and fix that [14:23] http://slexy.org/view/s21pz4XwpK [14:23] lspci shows no network interface [14:23] no ethernet controller [14:24] ifconfig -a only shows loopback and his 3G card [14:24] Kilos: this is what I have [14:24] 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06) [14:24] Kilos: you have something with an ethernet port? is it onboard or a card? [14:25] onboard [14:25] oh my now where could mine be, since buying this m.board i havent use the eth [14:25] onboard [14:25] go into BIOS setup and check if there's a setting to enable Onboard LAN [14:25] perhaps its turned off for some reason [14:25] yes [14:25] go there [14:25] I would have no idea if it were a driver issue [14:25] :/ [14:26] cool ty guys now we getting somewhere [14:26] wbb [14:26] .:Squirm:. when did it stop working [14:26] .:Kilos:. it has never [14:26] :/ [14:26] it would be a driver issue if lspci said there were some ethernet controller but you still had no eth0 interface [14:26] I now realise that means it has never worked [14:26] ai [14:27] we're getting somewhere now, because we know where to look :P [14:27] i tried to get him to slow down and explain earlier but he kept hammaring on his need to change the ip [14:27] I asked him to paste me ifconfig [14:27] and there was no network interface [14:27] :/ [14:30] well, [14:30] I'm off [14:31] Maaz: tell Kilos I'm off, might bbl. [14:31] Squirm: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [14:31] cheers all [14:36] sup ya'll [14:36] just in time for uncle Kilos :p [14:36] hithere all [14:36] 2 things [14:37] onboard lan controller disabled and onboard lan PXE OPROM disabled [14:37] ty ThatGraemeGuy [14:37] hope they must both be enabled [14:38] ty Squirm now i can go on without worrying about the ip hopefully [14:38] hehe [14:38] gotta go pump water [14:38] but took forever to boot [14:40] http://slexy.org/view/s21Yv0Nz7j [14:40] now we got ethernet stuffs [14:48] PXE doesn't really matter either way [14:48] does eth0 come up with an ip? [15:02] how do you see that [15:02] in nm? [15:04] in nm under wired i see eth0 (30:0E:D5:12:0B:9B) [15:10] New 802-3-ethernet connection [17:26] hmm... [18:18] hmm... Xethron you the yoyo tonight [18:18] yolo [18:18] hi nlsthzn hows ya [18:18] :) fine thanks uncle Kilos [19:15] good evevning [19:16] evening too [19:29] hi magespawn sorry was watching idiot box [19:38] ohi superfly [19:44] good evenin [19:44] lo my pro [20:03] hi Kilos [20:05] hey looks like all the boys come out to play [20:05] lol [20:11] uh? [20:13] ZZZzzzzzz.... [20:14] +1 [20:16] hehe [20:18] indeed [20:34] hi ThatGraemeGuy [20:34] you up late [20:41] Kilos, you waiting for night surfer? [20:42] ya but getting kinda tired here [20:43] wanna go see if my minetest online game is still good [20:43] and i need to do some update/upgrading [20:45] i am pretty tired too, just cannot seem to stay up late anymore [20:45] lol you getting old [20:47] indeed, sometimes it amuses me just how old, but everything is relative [20:48] hahaha [21:09] right on that note i am off to bed, good night all [21:16] eish 180m upgrade on kde 14.04 [21:17] mB [21:29] night all. sleep tight