[05:24] <bduk1> Morning Everyone
[05:56] <Squirm> morning
[06:23] <Squirm> Maaz: tell Kilos Good Morning
[06:23] <Maaz> Squirm: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:28] <nuvolari> o/ morning
[06:28] <nuvolari> oh hi Squirm 
[06:28] <nuvolari> morning bduk1, plustwo
[06:35] <Squirm> morning nuvolari 
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> how's slaapstad treating you so far nuvolari?
[06:48] <nuvolari> oh hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:48] <nuvolari> it's treating me well thank you ThatGraemeGuy!
[06:48] <nuvolari> well, except for this morning's traffic :P
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> luckily you just missed the really crappy weather
[06:48] <nuvolari> I tried to get in earlier... almost got to work at the same time as when I leave 30 minutes later
[06:49] <nuvolari> I'm trying to get rid of the GPS travelling from work to home and vice-versa
[06:50] <nuvolari> got a little lost twice :P
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> where are you travelling from/to?
[07:20] <Kilos> morning all
[07:20] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[07:27] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  inetpro  nuvolari  
[07:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi Kilos 
[07:43] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:43] <Kilos> lo pro
[07:47] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos 
[07:50] <Kilos> fiddling with ip addy made my unity's nm-applet disappear
[07:50] <Kilos> grrr
[07:53] <Kilos> Squirm  do you still have that info on how to fix the resolve conf i think it was. i lost all that when my drive crashed
[07:57] <Kilos> i want to find a way to change my ip to 192.168.1.1 not the 127.0.0.1 thats forced in here and cant be changed
[07:57] <Kilos> grrr
[08:03] <Squirm> Kilos: try add it here
[08:03] <Squirm> nano /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[08:04] <Squirm> nuvolari: where are you these days?
[08:06] <nuvolari> Squirm: Cape Town
[08:07] <Squirm> nice
[08:07] <nuvolari> for a couple of days now :P
[08:07] <Squirm> where abouts?
[08:08] <Kilos> ok lemme try
[08:09] <Kilos> remember Squirm  DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[08:10] <Kilos> you did something last time, i dont member if it was rename or echo or what
[08:13] <Squirm> yes
[08:13] <Squirm> put it at the bottom of that file
[08:14] <Kilos> there is nothing in there
[08:14] <Spekko> morning morning Kilos, nuvolari & Squirm
[08:14] <Kilos> hi spekko
[08:14] <Squirm> what do you mean Kilos ?
[08:14] <Kilos> that file is empty
[08:14] <Squirm> maybe in /etc/resolconf/head ?
[08:15] <Squirm> /etc/resolvconf/head
[08:15] <Kilos> lemme see
[08:15] <Kilos> also empty
[08:15] <Squirm> look around there
[08:15] <Squirm> for the head file
[08:16] <Squirm> somewhere
[08:16] <Squirm> should be somewhere in /etc/resolvconf
[08:18] <Kilos> i find in root/etc/resolvconf there is resolv.conf.d
[08:20] <nuvolari> Squirm: Claremont/Southern suburbs
[08:20] <Kilos> and update.d and update-libc.d
[08:20] <Kilos> and interface-order
[08:24] <Kilos> in  resolv.conf.d there is head and base files
[08:25] <Squirm> nuvolari: hmm... that's a little far
[08:25] <Squirm> I MIGHT be moving to Westlake
[08:27] <Kilos> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head.
[08:28] <Kilos> and i did nano after sudo su
[08:29] <Kilos> if root cant write to it who can
[08:32] <Squirm> sudo nano /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[08:33] <Squirm> nuvolari: I'm looking for accommodation as well
[08:34] <Kilos> the ip addy i put in is there but i see nothing else in there 
[08:37] <Squirm> then that's wrong
[08:37] <Squirm> you have to find the head file
[08:38] <Kilos> i see it
[08:39] <Kilos> and it shows the ip i put in
[08:39] <Kilos> i need my ip to be that so i can access my router
[08:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> oi what are you up to?
[08:43] <nuvolari> Squirm: yeah, it's quite expensive over here :-/
[08:43] <nuvolari> well, I guess I'll adapt
[08:43] <Kilos> my router is in the 192.168.1.254 range and wont let a pc with an ip that is out of that range in
[08:49] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  you are on kde right?
[08:49] <Kilos> what do you see in that head file
[08:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[08:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> what do you mean by "wont let a pc with an ip that is out of that range in"
[08:54] <Squirm> Kilos: what are you trying to do? change your IP address or DNS servers?
[08:54] <Kilos> my ip on this pc
[08:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> doesn't your pc get its IP via dhcp on the router?
[08:54] <Kilos> so i can tell the router to allow the server to connect with 3g
[08:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> oi
[08:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok never mind
[08:55] <Kilos> once before i had to activate something in there to allow internet connection
[08:56] <Kilos> the server cant complete its install because it cant go online
[08:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> which server?
[08:58] <Kilos> the one im installing on a second pc
[08:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm
[08:58] <Squirm> Kilos: you can always use ifconfig to change it temporarily
[08:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> its plugged in to the same router that your normal pc is?
[08:59] <Kilos> yes
[08:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> and during setup does it automatically get an ip or do you need to configure it manually?
[09:00] <Kilos> i have no idea, because the install gets to where you choose a repo
[09:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> is it ubuntu server?
[09:01] <Kilos> yes 14.04
[09:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> during the install at some point it will say configuring network
[09:01] <Kilos> yes
[09:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> so you didn't need to do it manually
[09:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> is it still in the installation process?
[09:02] <Kilos> i had to fiddle and try the auto thing a few times before it passed there
[09:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> is it still in the installation process?
[09:02] <Kilos> nope i have it on the floor now till i get the router sorted
[09:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh ok, can't help then
[09:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry
[09:03] <Kilos> np 
[09:04] <Kilos> ill change them over. i put xp there to see if i could get in to the router and that works so now i can change it back if i can just get this pc to get into the router
[09:04] <Kilos> thats why i want to change my ip addy
[09:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: you have a strong tendency to try and troubleshoot something and come to some idea of what the fix is in your head, when sometimes maybe you made an earlier assumption or misunderstanding
[09:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then you come asking how to do "X", when a lot of the time you shouldn't even be messing with X
[09:06] <Kilos> could be, my head dont work good
[09:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> in this instance i'm not understanding at all why you need to change your IP
[09:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> unless you have some exotic network setup, things should just work
[09:06] <Kilos> so i can access the router
[09:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> my point is that you are assuming the solution is to change your IP, but there is a very good chance you are just not understanding the problem correctly
[09:07] <Kilos> nope 14.04 in unity and kde dont even see the router when its plugged in
[09:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> ugh you know what forget it
[09:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> good luck
[09:07] <Kilos> what did i miss now
[09:08] <Kilos> hi pipedream  
[09:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> same as always you do not listen, i am trying to make you understand where you might be going wrong but you keep hammering on the same idea
[09:09] <Kilos> sorry
[09:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't be sorry :)
[09:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> no loss to me
[09:10] <Kilos> sorry for upsetting you man
[09:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not upset, really
[09:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> its frustrating when we try to help you by starting from the beginning and you just ignore what's being said and keep hammering on what you think the issue is
[09:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> but anyway
[09:12] <Kilos> just a sec ThatGraemeGuy  please help me understand
[09:12] <Kilos> this pc cant see the router
[09:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> what does "see the router" mean though?
[09:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> your normal pc?
[09:13] <Kilos> so do i connect the server pc to the router and leave this one disconnected
[09:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> you have a room full of PCs from what i can tell, saying "this pc" isn't useful to someone on the other side of the country
[09:13] <Kilos> yes my normal pc cant use the router
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> the PC you are sitting at right now
[09:14] <Kilos> yes
[09:14] <Kilos> my running kde
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> so you are IRC'ing via? magic?
[09:15] <Kilos> no man with modem plugged into pc directly
[09:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> ...
[09:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> then what's the router for?
[09:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> in fact, what is the make and model of the thing you are referring to as a router?
[09:17] <Kilos> billion b7300nx
[09:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok so does the usb 3g thing plug into that?
[09:18] <Kilos> yessir
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, so what's the problem
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> not "i need to change my ip", what is actually going wrong when you plug things in the way they should be
[09:20] <Kilos> the router only accepts pcs with an ip in the same range
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> lets try again
[09:20] <Kilos> it doesnt connect with dhcp
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> so the router can't do dhcp? or someone turned it off for some reason?
[09:21] <Kilos> nm doesnt see there is an eth connection
[09:21] <Kilos> the router does dhcp
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> what is plugged into the router's ethernet ports?
[09:22] <Kilos> worked on 12.04 after lots of setting changes in it
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> what is plugged into the router's ethernet ports?
[09:22] <Kilos> nothing now
[09:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> you have another working pc you can plug into it without messing with your main pc?
[09:23] <Kilos> yes i used a pc with xp on last night
[09:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok boot that up
[09:23] <Kilos> sec
[09:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> does that pc manage to get internet access?
[09:25] <Kilos> i didnt try as im bang of windows on internet without antivirus and firewalls
[09:25] <Kilos> hehe
[09:25] <Kilos> let me get that pc setup
[09:37] <Kilos> ok xp shows the bipac router in my network places
[09:38] <Kilos> and the modem in the router shows it is online to 8ta
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> can you browse to a web site?
[09:39] <Kilos> nope server not found
[09:39] <Kilos> i tried google.com in firefox
[09:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> does the pc have an ip?
[09:40] <Kilos> yes i gave it 192.168.1.20 last night
[09:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> can you ping the router from the pc?
[09:41] <Kilos> yes
[09:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> and there is a 3g modem plugged in to the router?
[09:43] <Kilos> yes
[09:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish
[09:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> then i'm lost further
[09:44] <Kilos> lol somewhere in the router settings i had to tell it to allow 3g in place of adsl before
[09:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> well then see if you can find that again
[09:44] <Kilos> or to allow each individual pc to use the 3g if i remember right
[09:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh right, that's an adsl router with 3g meant to be the backup
[09:45] <Kilos> yes
[09:46] <Kilos> i ahd to go to the modem via browser and then tick allow where it showed the different pcs
[09:46] <Kilos> was a major job for me
[09:46] <Kilos> haha thats why i wanted my main pc to be able to browse to the router
[09:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah but none of the reason was mentioned at all i just had to drag all that information from you
[09:50] <Kilos> man you okes are clever , you are supposed to see and know what im battling with
[09:50] <Kilos> hehe
[09:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> from my experience it seems you are battling with yourself more than any technical problems :P
[09:51] <Kilos> yip have been for over 10 years now
[10:21] <Kilos> wbb
[13:34] <Squirm> hello
[13:35] <Squirm> :P
[13:35] <Squirm> Kilos: seems you're struggling there ^^
[13:40] <Kilos> haha i get into the router with xp squirm and with the browser and i can see it connect with 3g but pcs cant use the 3g
[13:40] <Kilos> still looking for what i have missed
[13:41] <Kilos> all i want is for ubuntu to allow me to change its ip addy then i can park the xp pc away
[13:41] <Kilos> or even use it for my server 
[13:41] <Kilos> but ram is min on it
[13:41] <Squirm> Kilos: it should get a static IP...
[13:41] <Squirm> what happened to network manager
[13:41] <Squirm> ?
[13:42] <Squirm> s/static/dynamic
[13:42] <Kilos> i have changed it in nm but ifconfig still shows it as 127.blah blah blahg
[13:43] <Kilos> inet addr:127.0.0.1
[13:43] <Kilos> if i can change that all probs will be gone
[13:44] <Kilos> i followed an online link to setting a static ip and now unity doesnt even show the nm-applet anymore
[13:44] <Kilos> so bang to follow online info from kde as well
[13:46] <Kilos> i wonder why they made the ip unchangable
[13:51] <Squirm> nano /etc/network/interfaces
[13:51] <Squirm> or cat
[13:51] <Squirm> is there much in that file?
[13:52] <Kilos> 2 lines
[13:52] <Kilos> auto lo
[13:52] <Kilos> iface lo inet dhcp
[13:53] <Squirm> are you sure you're network cable is attached properly ;)
[13:53] <Squirm> oh wait
[13:53] <Squirm> hmm
[13:54] <Squirm> Kilos: ifconfig
[13:54] <Squirm> send to me in private
[13:54] <Kilos> ok
[14:06] <nuvolari> I'm out
[14:06] <nuvolari> o/
[14:08] <Squirm> bye bye nuvolari 
[14:11] <Kilos> toods nuvolari  
[14:11] <Kilos> wbb
[14:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: every PC has an ip of 127.0.0.1 on the loopback interface, you must not mess with that
[14:17] <Kilos> ok
[14:22] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: his PC thinks he doesn't have a network card
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, but then stop worrying about IP addresses and DNS servers and fix that
[14:23] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21pz4XwpK
[14:23] <Squirm> lspci shows no network interface
[14:23] <Squirm> no ethernet controller
[14:24] <Squirm> ifconfig -a only shows loopback and his 3G card
[14:24] <Squirm> Kilos: this is what I have
[14:24] <Squirm> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: you have something with an ethernet port? is it onboard or a card?
[14:25] <Squirm> onboard
[14:25] <Kilos> oh my now where could mine be, since buying this m.board i havent use the eth
[14:25] <Kilos> onboard
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> go into BIOS setup and check if there's a setting to enable Onboard LAN
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> perhaps its turned off for some reason
[14:25] <Squirm> yes
[14:25] <Squirm> go there
[14:25] <Squirm> I would have no idea if it were a driver issue
[14:25] <Squirm> :/
[14:26] <Kilos> cool ty guys now we getting somewhere
[14:26] <Kilos> wbb
[14:26] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. when did it stop working
[14:26] <Squirm> .:Kilos:. it has never
[14:26] <Squirm> :/
[14:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> it would be a driver issue if lspci said there were some ethernet controller but you still had no eth0 interface
[14:26] <Squirm> I now realise that means it has never worked
[14:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> ai
[14:27] <Squirm> we're getting somewhere now, because we know where to look :P
[14:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> i tried to get him to slow down and explain earlier but he kept hammaring on his need to change the ip
[14:27] <Squirm> I asked him to paste me ifconfig
[14:27] <Squirm> and there was no network interface
[14:27] <Squirm> :/
[14:30] <Squirm> well,
[14:30] <Squirm> I'm off
[14:31] <Squirm> Maaz: tell Kilos I'm off, might bbl.
[14:31] <Maaz> Squirm: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[14:31] <Squirm> cheers all
[14:36] <nlsthzn> sup ya'll
[14:36] <nlsthzn> just in time for uncle Kilos :p
[14:36] <Kilos> hithere all
[14:36] <Kilos> 2 things
[14:37] <Kilos> onboard lan controller disabled and onboard lan PXE OPROM disabled
[14:37] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy  
[14:37] <Kilos> hope they must both be enabled
[14:38] <Kilos> ty Squirm  now i can go on without worrying about the ip hopefully
[14:38] <Kilos> hehe
[14:38] <Kilos> gotta go pump water
[14:38] <Kilos> but took forever to boot
[14:40] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21Yv0Nz7j
[14:40] <Kilos> now we got ethernet stuffs
[14:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> PXE doesn't really matter either way
[14:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> does eth0 come up with an ip?
[15:02] <Kilos> how do you see that
[15:02] <Kilos> in nm?
[15:04] <Kilos> in nm under wired i see eth0 (30:0E:D5:12:0B:9B)
[15:10] <Kilos> New 802-3-ethernet connection
[17:26] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:18] <Kilos> hmm... Xethron  you the yoyo tonight
[18:18] <nlsthzn> yolo
[18:18] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  hows ya
[18:18] <nlsthzn> :) fine thanks uncle Kilos 
[19:15] <magespawn> good evevning
[19:16] <magespawn> evening too
[19:29] <Kilos> hi magespawn  sorry was watching idiot box
[19:38] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[19:44] <inetpro> good evenin
[19:44] <Kilos> lo my pro
[20:03] <superfly> hi Kilos
[20:05] <magespawn> hey looks like all the boys come out to play
[20:05] <Kilos> lol
[20:11] <inetpro> uh?
[20:13] <superfly> ZZZzzzzzz....
[20:14] <inetpro> +1
[20:16] <Kilos> hehe
[20:18] <magespawn> indeed
[20:34] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[20:34] <Kilos> you up late
[20:41] <magespawn> Kilos, you waiting for night surfer?
[20:42] <Kilos> ya but getting kinda tired here
[20:43] <Kilos> wanna go see if my minetest online game is still good
[20:43] <Kilos> and i need to do some update/upgrading
[20:45] <magespawn> i am pretty tired too, just cannot seem to stay up late anymore
[20:45] <Kilos> lol you getting old
[20:47] <magespawn> indeed, sometimes it amuses me just how old, but everything is relative
[20:48] <Kilos> hahaha
[21:09] <magespawn> right on that note i am off to bed, good night all
[21:16] <Kilos> eish 180m upgrade on kde 14.04
[21:17] <Kilos> mB
[21:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight