[00:00] <writing_novel> I am recreating the VMware guest right now.
[00:08] <brainwash> writing_novel: the panel layout/appearance has been restored successfully, so maybe it was just a warning message and not an error
[00:15] <writing_novel> brainwash: I do not really recall, but, I am going to recreate the scenario and I'll tell you precisely
[00:17] <brainwash> I guess that you shouldn't be worried about it
[00:18] <writing_novel> no, it was pretty minor in the scheme of things, as the intended function and result was what both Bluesabre and I intended to get.
[00:20] <writing_novel> I have a Dell Touch screen computer with Windows 8 installed upon it (on the Internal HD) and I plan to blow away Windows 8 and install Ubuntu on the Internal HD. I also need to talk to Dell, as I wish to "downgrade" to Windows 7 (which I will then install in a Virtual Machine using the license as passed through the BIOS).
[00:21] <writing_novel> But, I have to find out if the OEM license is even in the BIOS right now, they may need to do a BIOS upgrade/downgrade/change for me to have the OEM ACPI tables there to do a native installation of Windows 7 and of course, I need them to send me the media for it as well.
[00:21] <brainwash> note that the touch screen support in Xfce is kinda limited
[00:22] <writing_novel> Yeah I was reading about that too. I am thinking, what I may do, is install Ubuntu GNOME and then add Xfce to it after wards
[00:22] <writing_novel> I have not yet really decided except to say that I will have 2TB of space, so that is not really a consideration! :)
[00:24] <writing_novel> I have a VERY old and decrepit laptop with Windows 7 on it that I am going to virtualize the installation on, I cannot wait to take the laptop out of service. Once I get a working Windows 7 on the desktop I am erasing it and peddling it on Craig's List for $150 or so.
[00:25] <KM0201> is there a known issue with Pidgin locking up?  running pidgin 2.10.9
[00:25] <writing_novel> it is so dumb that Windows does not have cumulative patches.
[00:26] <brainwash> services packs?
[00:26] <writing_novel> I installed a Windows 7 for someone on their laptop the other day - we had to reboot the darn thing like 20 times until it was done (they had an old WIN7 DVD, granted), but, it is a very silly system.
[00:26] <writing_novel> Well, we did SP1, but then to get it from SP1 to "today" it had to do all that.
[00:27] <brainwash> KM0201: did you check the reported issues on launchpad?
[00:28] <Unit193> KM0201: In 14.04?  Not that I know of, and it's been running since the 6th. (Not used much, but nevertheless.)
[00:28] <writing_novel> So many operating systems do make you download multiple patches to "catch up" an old image, but, most of them, only require you to reboot once to get them all installed
[00:28] <KM0201> brainwash:  a google search turned up a lot of old bug reports (from a few years ago) nothing recent
[00:29] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[00:30] <Unit193> brainwash: Hah, *just* pulled that exact link. :)
[00:33] <brainwash> Unit193: several pages of bug report entries, launchpad really needs some sort of auto expire functionality
[00:36] <writing_novel> Good even Aloysius
[00:36] <writing_novel> even=evening
[00:37] <brainwash> Unit193: so, we should have added a filter for trusty to our link :)
[00:44] <writing_novel> what is the major difference between 14.04 and 14.04.01?
[00:44] <KM0201> Unit193: weird... it is literally locking up almost as soon as it starts for me.. i'm goonna try one more thing.
[00:52] <brainwash> writing_novel: 14.04.1 is just a point release, similar to a service pack
[00:52] <brainwash> mainly/only bug fixes
[00:54] <writing_novel> ah ok, not sure I ever saw Ubuntu do that before.
[00:54] <writing_novel> but ok
[00:57] <brainwash> it's the usual release cycle for LTS releases like 12.04 or 14.04
[00:57] <brainwash> 12.04.5 has been released some weeks ago
[01:03] <writing_novel> ah ok
[01:03] <writing_novel> I usually just do dist-upgrades every week so I usually do not follow along with those numberings.
[01:05] <writing_novel> lemme go check on the Xubuntu install (I have two other installs running virtually on the same system, that is why it might be going slowly)
[01:08] <writing_novel> The Windows 7 install I am doing has 196 updates to do and that is "round one" of updates! Oy vey!?!
[01:16] <snuffeluffegus> Any way around the disk write error when installing over usb with xubuntu 14.10 beta 1?
[01:18] <brainwash> snuffeluffegus: that's a question for #ubuntu+1
[01:19] <writing_novel> Can Ubuntu install as a UEFI type install?
[01:19] <brainwash> !uefi
[01:19] <snuffeluffegus> thanks brainwash
[01:20] <writing_novel> thank you!
[01:21] <writing_novel> That was most helpful, I shall proceed to read the aforementioned disquisition forthrightly!
[01:29] <Mittens2001> getting graphical errors on boot
[01:30] <Mittens2001> black screen with a bunch of green dots
[01:33] <Mittens2001> I dont think this has ever happened in ubuntu
[01:33] <Mittens2001> this is first boot btw
[01:33] <Mittens2001> install went fine except the screen was kind of distorted or low res or something
[01:36] <writing_novel> The system I have is an XPS 27, which is fully capable of UEFI booting, so, when I do my next installation of Ubuntu (on the Internet HDD) I certainly plan to do it using that technology.
[01:37] <writing_novel> that page was most informative.
[01:40] <Mittens2001> anyone? ;;
[01:41] <holstein> Mittens2001: sounds like a graphics driver issue.. did the live CD work? is there a proprietary graphics driver available for your device?
[01:42] <Mittens2001> hmm
[01:42] <Mittens2001> ill try now
[01:43] <holstein> it can be common to find graphics hardware that doesnt support linux/ubuntu
[01:43] <writing_novel> you'd think in today's times that would not be so true
[01:43] <writing_novel> but
[01:43] <writing_novel> I do hear that a lot
[01:44] <holstein> writing_novel: its perfectly fine for *any* manufacturer to support whatever operating system they like.. they can release linux drivers.. they are welcome to.. if they dont, you can have a challenging time
[01:51] <writing_novel> brainwash here is what I got:
[01:51] <writing_novel> xyzzy@ubuntu:~$ xfce4-panel --quit; killall xfconfd; cp /etc/xdg/xfce4/panel/default.xml ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml && sleep 2 && (xfconfd &) && (xfce4-panel &)
[01:51] <writing_novel> xyzzy@ubuntu:~$ xfconfd: command not found
[01:52] <writing_novel> and I did a ps -ef | grep -i xfconfd before I did that and xfconfd was running before I did all that!
[01:54] <writing_novel> YET, whence I remove the "(xfconfd &) &&" from the above incantation, I get this:
[01:54] <writing_novel> xyzzy@ubuntu:~$ ps -ef | grep -i xfconfd
[01:54] <writing_novel> xyzzy    9630  8630  0 18:49 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/xfconf/xfconfd
[01:54] <writing_novel> xyzzy    9665  9523  0 18:53 pts/0    00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i xfconfd
[01:54] <writing_novel> xyzzy@ubuntu:~$ xfce4-panel --quit; killall xfconfd; cp /etc/xdg/xfce4/panel/default.xml ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml && sleep 2 && (xfce4-panel &)
[01:54] <writing_novel> xyzzy@ubuntu:~$ ps -ef | grep -i xfconfd
[01:54] <writing_novel> xyzzy    9679  8630  0 18:53 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/xfconf/xfconfd
[01:54] <writing_novel> xyzzy    9685  9523  0 18:53 pts/0    00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i xfconfd
[01:54] <writing_novel> xyzzy@ubuntu:~$
[01:55] <writing_novel> so it somehow does get restarted, so I presume just removing it entirely from his original incantation is fine?
[01:56] <e87hd> has anyone seen slow dns as a problem?
[01:56] <e87hd> I am having super slow dns resolution
[01:56] <e87hd> trusty
[02:04] <e87hd> guess not\
[02:04] <writing_novel> Usually slow DNS is network related it has been ages where I have seen any kind of major bugs in DNS that can cause that (exclusive of Microsoft DNS of course, there working properly can cause problems!)
[02:05] <Mittens2001> is there a way to switch into terminal mode on xubuntu?
[02:05] <e87hd> yes
[02:05] <writing_novel> there working=theirs working
[02:05] <e87hd> you can change the runlevel
[02:05] <e87hd> telinit 3
[02:05] <writing_novel> or you can run a Terminal
[02:05] <Mittens2001> I know its like alt + f2 or something on debian
[02:05] <Mittens2001> see my earlier problem
[02:05] <writing_novel> alt + f1 gets you terminal 1
[02:05] <Mittens2001> and then how to you get back to your de?
[02:05] <writing_novel> alt-f7
[02:06] <Mittens2001> okay
[02:06] <writing_novel> de = graphic environment?
[02:06] <Mittens2001> yes
[02:06] <Mittens2001> alright going to restart again
[02:06] <Mittens2001> will come in on my phone if it doesnt go well ;;
[02:06] <Mittens2001> oh wait
[02:06] <writing_novel> alt-f7 is something that works in almost any Linux even running on the Mainframe!
[02:07] <e87hd> it is literally taking 30 seconds to resolve some names
[02:07] <Mittens2001> how to you restart xfce?
[02:07] <e87hd> hmm
[02:07] <e87hd> maybe stopx
[02:07] <writing_novel> I would simply drop to runlevel one then runlevel 5
[02:07] <e87hd> then startx?
[02:07] <writing_novel> I mean runlevel 3 then runlevel 5
[02:07] <writing_novel> (presuming 5 is still the GUI and 3 textual everything)
[02:08] <e87hd> thats correct
[02:08] <writing_novel> you can type "runlevel" to get your current runlevel from a terminal
[02:09] <Mittens2001> so when grub boots up xubuntu
[02:09] <e87hd> !runlevel
[02:09] <Mittens2001> I dont have to wait to be able to switch to runlevel 1 no
[02:09] <writing_novel> I though Ubuntu tossed Upstart instead of something new now
[02:10] <e87hd> !upstart
[02:10] <writing_novel> I Must be thinking of RedHat that extirpated upstart
[03:00] <mittens2001> okay so
[03:00] <mittens2001> the live version  works fine
[03:00] <mittens2001> but on install i get TONS of warnings saying
[03:01] <mittens2001> "xxx cannot be installed ([something about broken dependencies])
[03:04] <holstein> mittens2001: i would just *not* install anything during the installation.. no upgrades..
[03:05] <holstein> mittens2001: there should be a check box, where you can *not* take upgrades during the installation.. try that. otherwise, you'r hard drive could be failing
[03:05] <mittens2001> okay it just finished installing
[03:05] <mittens2001> if it doesnt work again ill try that
[03:12] <Quantibility> What's the devs room again?
[03:12] <e87hd> holstein, got some time to help me with my DNS problem?
[03:13] <holstein> Quantibility: typically, they are all *-devel or *-dev.. the xubuntu one is #xubuntu-devel
[03:13] <holstein> e87hd: whats the issue?
[03:13] <Quantibility> Thanks
[03:13] <e87hd> for some reason
[03:13] <e87hd> in firefox, it takes forever to resolve names
[03:13] <e87hd> just going to some of my normal sites takes forever
[03:13] <e87hd> when I dig them, they come up normally
[03:14] <e87hd> but in firefox its crazy slow
[03:14] <e87hd> what is another browser that is not chrome that I could try?
[03:14] <e87hd> midori or something?
[03:14] <holstein> e87hd: someone stated disabling ipv6 for a slow dns issue
[03:15] <holstein> e87hd: midori, opera.. chromium..
[03:15] <mittens2001> okay it didnt work
[03:15] <e87hd> holstein, I did disable ipv6
[03:16] <e87hd> I don't want any part of chromium, holstein
[03:16] <holstein> mittens2001: it? you mean, when you reinstalled, selecting not to take upgrades?
[03:16] <mittens2001> no i am trying that now
[03:16] <holstein> e87hd: why?
[03:17] <mittens2001> dont know why i felt the need to give taht update
[03:17] <holstein> e87hd: i think you are thinking chrome is chromium..
[03:17] <e87hd> still really slow in midori
[03:17] <e87hd> holstein, there are still google hooks in chromium
[03:17] <holstein> e87hd: chromium-browser is in the default repos.. if you dont want to use it just dont.. just search the software manager of your choice for browsers
[03:18] <e87hd> painfully slow...
[03:18] <e87hd> :(
[03:18] <holstein> e87hd: im not sure what "hooks" you are talking about, but, you shouldl reallyy consider reading up on security if you *Really* want to be "safe" or avoid "hooks" online..
[03:18] <holstein> e87hd: what is slow? just firefox? are you up to date with upgrades?
[03:19] <e87hd> apparently all my browsers are having dns issues, holstein
[03:19] <holstein> e87hd: dont assume this is a DNS issue.. could be your entire connetion. or ISP.. or router..
[03:20] <e87hd> well, none of my other machines are having issues
[03:20] <e87hd> and DHCP hands out the same DNS server to all of them
[03:20] <holstein> e87hd: thats a data point that you can test, as well.. and you have not stated what tests you are doing
[03:21] <holstein> e87hd: you did say only firefox was the issue.. thats not the case, though?
[03:21] <e87hd> no holstein, thats not the case. I only had the one browser to test, but now that I have midori, it is also slow
[03:21] <e87hd> and now this
[03:21] <holstein> e87hd: did you add a PPA for anything? is the live CD working with the hardware? *are* you up to date with upgrades?
[03:22] <e87hd> I did add a PPA for something
[03:22] <e87hd> I cant remember what though
[03:22] <e87hd> http://imgur.com/T4d1owY
[03:23] <holstein> e87hd: ppa's can break things.. are you up to date with upgrades? is the live CD working on the hardware?
[03:24] <e87hd> how do I check if I am up to date
[03:24] <e87hd> I run the software updater
[03:24] <e87hd> oh
[03:24] <e87hd> I had to add it for steam
[03:24] <e87hd> a ppa
[03:29] <Quantibility> Ok so xubuntu wont start AFTER update im in recovery with net support and im chatting by phone. .. any help
[03:29] <holstein> Quantibility: i would try the last kernel
[03:29] <Quantibility> Yeah what is it 1.13?
[03:30] <Quantibility> Holstein been like this two days now ive tried everything
[03:30] <holstein> Quantibility: have you tried specifically booting the last kernel?
[03:31] <holstein> Quantibility: its not important the #, just try the last one that worked
[03:31] <Quantibility> Describe procedure?
[03:31] <holstein> Quantibility: i would boot the machine, and at grub, where you are choosing "emergency mode", just try the last kernel. the next one down the list
[03:32] <Quantibility> I have one kernel to chose from other then current. . Boots past previous problem stops cold to blank screen.
[03:33] <holstein> Quantibility: you should have a previos kernel area. do you not?
[03:33] <Quantibility> So yes to answer ur question
[03:33] <holstein> Quantibility: things that i would look at.. i would look for the older kernels that should be there.. if you cant find them, i would look at any ppa's i have added, or proprietary graphics drivers.. or any xorg.conf
[03:33] <holstein> i would try a live CD and make sure the hardware is working
[03:35] <e87hd> how do I list my DNS server in xubuntu?
[03:35] <Quantibility> Stops at "stopping V blah" then when using older kernel it goes beyond that and stops at blank  screen
[03:35] <holstein> Quantibility: do you have ppa's? do you have proprietary graphics?
[03:35] <Quantibility> I have terminal and yes I have ppas
[03:36] <Mittens2001> alright I didnt work again
[03:36] <Unit193> e87hd: nm-tool
[03:36] <Mittens2001> even with the updates disabled
[03:36] <holstein> Quantibility: i would look at the PPA sources and see what could be breaking your graphics
[03:36] <holstein> Mittens2001: then, i would test my hard drive
[03:36] <Mittens2001> how?
[03:36] <Mittens2001> crystaldiskinfo says everything is fine
[03:36] <holstein> Mittens2001: unless you have a more specific error.. i use gsmartcontrol from the live CD to test my hard drives
[03:37] <Mittens2001> I dont think its a hard drive error
[03:37] <holstein> Mittens2001: sure.. just test and you'll know for certain, otherwise, share a more specific error
[03:37] <Mittens2001> I think it might be a problem with nvidia drivers, although im not sure why it would work on live usb
[03:37] <Mittens2001> there was a purple line on the side and it was pretty blurry
[03:38] <Quantibility> Holstein I updated nothings wrong with the machine its the update what can we go through to figure out the problem here.. its software not hardware
[03:38] <Mittens2001> when I went to software update it said I was running something other than the binary nvidia drivers or nouveau
[03:38] <holstein> Quantibility: i didnt say it was hardware.. just that running the live CD will help you make certain of that
[03:39] <holstein> Mittens2001: you can also try...
[03:39] <holstein> !Mini
[03:39] <holstein> Mittens2001: if you would rather install minimal, and test the install and add the desktop and drivers sperately..
[03:39] <Quantibility> Im in terminal.  I have network support.  What command s do we have. . To run xubuntu
[03:40] <holstein> Quantibility: you are in what terminal> where?
[03:40] <Quantibility> Root
[03:40] <holstein> Quantibility: i dont run xubuntu or xfce from a root terminal
[03:40] <Quantibility> Im on a phone to chat right now
[03:40] <holstein> Quantibility: if i were in a root terminal, i might use ppa-purge to remove the ppa's i think might be breaking the install
[03:41] <holstein> i might just run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and look for error messages..
[03:42] <Quantibility> Ive done that
[03:42] <Quantibility> Wait hold
[03:42] <holstein> Quantibility: you have done what?
[03:42] <holstein> Quantibility: in that root terminal, you have ran "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" if so, are you getting any error messages?
[03:43] <Quantibility> Hold I dont think so
[03:43] <holstein> Quantibility: you can just do it right now, friend.. then, you'll know, and you wont have to "think" you did it or not
[03:44] <holstein> thats a good first step. should tell you if the upgrades were interrupted, or 404's on sources. or package problems
[03:46] <Quantibility> Doing somtin and 0 0 0 0
[03:46] <Quantibility> nothing done
[03:46] <holstein> Quantibility: sure.. just let me know when you are ready to elaboarate and share details..
[03:48] <Quantibility> nothing done. As I said it was updated and no longer boots (stalls) and using the older kernel cause Imediately after boot
[03:49] <Quantibility> Cuases blank screen
[03:49] <holstein> Quantibility: from the root terminal, you ran "apt-get update" with no errors?
[03:49] <Quantibility> Yes
[03:50] <holstein> Quantibility: and, from the root terminal, "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:50] <Quantibility> YES
[03:50] <holstein> Quantibility: those are the details i seek.. you are not sharing.. no need for the caps..
[03:51] <Quantibility> Holstein phone. .. not on purpose
[03:52] <holstein> Quantibility: i would try booting any/all of the older kernels.. i would consider ppa-purge
[03:52] <holstein> !info ppa-purge
[03:52] <holstein> depending on what ppa's i have added.. and i would look at removing any proprietarydrivers.. i would put a temporary xorg.conf in place that specifies the vesa driver
[03:54] <Quantibility> I have to install it?
[03:54] <holstein> Quantibility: if you dont have it, you'll need to add it, if you want to use it
[03:54] <holstein> apt-get install ppa-purge for example
[03:56] <Quantibility> Yea been done. .. how do I know which ppa to remove or purge
[03:57] <holstein> Quantibility: depends.. im not saying any of them are the problem, just that they can be
[03:58] <holstein> Quantibility: i might purge them all and test..
[04:02] <Quantibility> Ok
[04:02] <Quantibility> So... how?
[04:04] <holstein> Quantibility: how what, friend?
[04:04] <holstein> Quantibility: purge ppa http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed
[04:42] <james0r3> possible to use 2 monitors each on separate video cards?
[04:43] <holstein> james0r3: well.. that should be possible.. but, i have had trouble with different drivers... i would just hook it up and see.. maybe with a live CD
[04:44] <james0r3> holstein, i got it hooked up now and i'm not getting anything to my monitor hookedup with integrated intel graphics, just my nvidia pci card.
[04:44] <holstein> james0r3: thats the scenario i had issue with.. the internal in intel? thats what i had..
[04:45] <james0r3> probably would make sense to just use the HDMI output for that monitor on my nvidia card instead.
[04:47] <holstein> james0r3: that might be easier.. otherwise, you may have to build some custom xorg.conf.. specifying different modules per monitor.. which i would have to read up on.
[04:48] <james0r3> holstein, yeah no sense in me going that far. might be a good experiment for a rainy day but it's a nice one today.
[04:48] <james0r3> holstein, thx tho
[04:48] <holstein> james0r3: sure.. good luck.. i ended up with the same kind of thing.. nvidia card with dvi and vga..
[05:04] <james0r3> holstein, it's probably my monitor but did your monitor on HDMI have sharpness or maybe saturation issues? i can't figure it out by messing with the picture settings on the tv.
[05:04] <james0r3> as you can see i have problems even describing it :)
[05:05] <holstein> james0r3: i have seen that on a few hdmi hookups. using the proprietary driver always helped.. or made a setting change that helped
[05:06] <james0r3> holstein, okay. i'm using proprietary but i havn't messed much with nvidia's settings yet. i'll try that out.
[05:07] <holstein> james0r3: not sure if its helpful, but i like the arandr gui as well
[05:07] <james0r3> holstein, yeah i'm using that too
[05:08] <holstein> james0r3: thats all the tricks i have :)
[05:12] <james0r3> holstein, better multi-monitor support coming with 4.12 right?
[05:13] <holstein> james0r3: maybe.. not sure that thats the issue you are hitting though
[05:26] <Vampi> приветики :)
[05:26] <baizon> !ru
[06:25] <Vampi> как дела?
[06:26] <elfy> !ru | Vampi
[06:28] <Vampi> elfy: не хочу я на #ubuntu-ru :(
[06:31] <elfy> then you will have to use English
[06:32] <Vampi> elfy: я не знаю Английский :(
[06:41] <Unit193> Vampi: Тогда вам придется использовать #ubuntu-ru
[06:41] <Vampi> Unit193: зачем?
[07:54] <Guido1> Does anyone know how to get the think pad e540 out of the suspend / hypernate mode?
[08:21] <xubuntu152> Hi
[08:21] <ObrienDave> greetings & welcome
[08:21] <xubuntu152> I have a problem with the last update
[08:21] <xubuntu152> I have a flickering screen, every 2 or 3 seconds
[08:23] <xubuntu152> I have a ATI Radeon X1200
[08:23] <xubuntu152> My Xubuntu version is 14.04, the last
[09:00] <LeMike> hello. I installes xcfe4 in ubuntu and it is great! but can i prevent xfce4 to switch the workspaces in circles?? the last one shouldn't swap to the first one when cycling through
[09:01] <ObrienDave> LeMike, there is a setting for non wrapping
[09:01] <ObrienDave> LeMike, Window Manager Tweaks, Workspaces tab, 3rd one down
[09:01] <ObrienDave> i happen to like that wrapping feature ;P
[09:03] <LeMike> saw it. thanks ObrienDave ! i unchecked the setting and it works. great! :) I inured to have it stop at the last workspace. so it is now :)
[09:03] <LeMike> another thing: the appfinder comes up very slow sometimes even with --disable-server :/
[09:05] <ObrienDave> dunno, no issues here
[09:23] <rayq> hey all.  is there a way to force the Panel 'window buttons' and window manager icons to use the current gtk icon set?
[09:23] <rayq> Plank Dock, application menu, and whisker menu all show the correct icon, but window buttons are using application set icons
[10:01] <brainwash> rayq: not possible without a rewrite of the source, so it also uses the bamf daemon which matches application windows to desktop files
[10:02] <brainwash> or a similar solution, plank requires bamf for example
[10:02] <rayq> brainwash, i see, so that's why some applications use my current icon theme, some do not
[10:04] <rayq> for example, xfce-terminal is using my current icon theme in the window button list, but hexchat is using its own icon...
[10:05] <rayq> i thought it was probably something settings related perhaps
[10:06] <brainwash> I guess that this will be fixed one day, but someone has to implement it
[10:06] <rayq> cool. thanks brainwash.
[10:06] <brainwash> you're welcome :)
[11:57] <Sycrido> Hello
[11:57] <Sycrido> ?
[11:57] <knome> hello.
[11:57] <Sycrido> I'm looking for a bit of help, I'm trying to edit something using the following command
[11:58] <Sycrido> # virsh net-edit default
[11:58] <Sycrido> without the hash
[11:58] <Sycrido> and when it opens, it's like I can't type correctly. Does anyone know why this may be?
[11:59] <Sycrido> I can use nano fine, but I can't get to the same location using nano. (I don't know how to).
[12:00] <brainwash> can't type correctly?
[12:01] <brainwash> the default editor should be vi
[12:01] <brainwash> !vi
[12:01] <elfy> virsh is something else brainwash
[12:01] <brainwash> but virsh uses vi by default I guess
[12:02] <Sycrido> I'm just following a bunch of instructions
[12:02] <knome> Sycrido, try typing 'export EDITOR=nano' (without the quotes) and try again
[12:02] <elfy> The virsh program is the main interface for managing virsh guest domains.
[12:02] <elfy> brainwash: ^^ http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/virsh.1.html
[12:02] <brainwash> "The editor used can be supplied by the $EDITOR environment variable, or if that is not defined defaults to "vi"."
[12:03] <brainwash> according to the linked man page
[12:03] <knome> yes... which is why i proposed trying to set the EDITOR env var...
[12:03] <Sycrido> Vi brings up a blank file, if I simply replace the virsh in the command.
[12:03] <brainwash> I didn't say that your suggestion is wrong :P
[12:03] <knome> Sycrido, did you try what i suggested?
[12:04] <Sycrido> Knome: I tried the line, it did nothing. I tried the previous command it still opens in virsh I guess (is virsh a text editor).
[12:04] <Sycrido> Very confused as I've always used nano
[12:05] <Sycrido> Knome: export is not a known command
[12:06] <knome> Sycrido, what version of xubuntu are you using?
[12:06] <Sycrido> 14.04
[12:07] <Sycrido> http://www.rivy.org/2014/04/install-a-kvm-host-on-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr/#comment-227941 is the instructions I'm trying to follow
[12:07] <Sycrido> thanks for the help so far people
[12:07] <knome> Sycrido, run: EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano virsh net-edit default
[12:09] <Sycrido> Legendary, that got me in!
[12:09] <Sycrido> Thank you.
[12:11] <Sycrido> knome: I've been able to edit and save, thank you.
[12:13] <henn1nk> hello, does the xubuntu installer support software raid?
[12:13] <knome> henn1nk, newest versions no, check the minimal ISO
[12:13] <knome> !mini | henn1nk
[12:15] <henn1nk> knome: and do you have a tutorial for me? ;-)
[12:15] <knome> henn1nk, follow the installer, it should give you the option
[12:18] <henn1nk> knome: install or the command line install?
[12:20] <knome> the minimal ISO installer is always command line
[12:20] <henn1nk> knome: no, i have a minimal gui here
[12:55] <Guido1> how can i remap 2 keys? maybe even independent from the OS.
[13:02] <Sycrido> Does anyone have any experience with KVM?
[13:04] <GridCube> !ask | Sycrido
[13:05] <Sycrido> No problem
[13:06] <Sycrido> In KVM I have a VM, and the interface does not display certain things, e.g. terminal windows are half present. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[13:22] <Guido1> and does the windows button has any function in xubuntu?
[13:23] <ObrienDave> Guido1, yes, it's known as the "super" key
[13:24] <ObrienDave> not necessarily a Xubuntu use but some apps ask for a Super+key combination
[13:26] <mark__> Are there any known graphics card issues/driver issues with Xubuntu
[13:27] <Guido1> ObrienDave: so it might be needed for getting the laptop out of suspend and hypernate?
[13:27] <Guido1> ObrienDave: so I should keep the key and not put another function oon it
[13:28] <cfhowlett> mark__, "Known issues" for your reading pleasure
[13:28] <elfy> Guido1: you can see where it is used in settings - keyboard - app shortcuts or settings - settings editor - xfce4- keyboard-shortcuts
[13:28] <ObrienDave> Guido1, i have not seen that combination for sleep/hibernate. but as long as any of your apps don't require it, i don't see why not
[13:30] <Guido1> elfy: oke, there are some cobinations with a super key
[13:30] <elfy> indeed there are :)
[13:30] <GridCube> Guido1, the supper key is used on keybinds, like <super>t opens a terminal, <super>e a text editor
[13:31] <ObrienDave> Guido1, someone in main channel was asking about "super-w (on ubuntu 14.04), minimized windows show up blank" so i don't really know about that
[13:31] <elfy> this is the main channel ObrienDave
[13:31] <ObrienDave> Ubuntu main ;P
[13:31] <elfy> that's the ubuntu channel ;)
[13:31] <ObrienDave> ;
[13:32] <ObrienDave> p
[13:32] <ObrienDave> ;P even ;P
[13:32] <Guido1> elfy: i don't see a command for getting the laptop out of suspand and hypernate. does it make sense to make a shortcut for it? If so, how do i do that?
[13:32]  * elfy apologises for going off-topic
[13:33] <elfy> Guido1: I don't do either I'm afraid so've not really got any opinion on the sense of it, but with the laptop the power button brings it out - so why bother using something else
[13:33] <henn1nk> knome: hmmm installing base system takes really long... i often see "unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed" ... maybe one hdd broken?
[13:33] <Guido1> elfy: and how can i remap a key? The print key is replacing the menu key, but i want to have the menu key
[13:34] <Guido1> henn1nk: somhow the powerbutton does not seam to work - either no recation oor switching of and getting an errow message after a new start
[13:35] <GridCube> !remap
[13:35] <GridCube> mmm
[13:36] <knome> Guido1, please do not ping random people
[13:36] <knome> henn1nk, possibly
[13:36] <Guido1> knome: i did not. it was an answer to there answer
[13:37] <knome> Guido1, henn... never said anything to you
[13:39] <Guido1> knome: se it, looked at the wrong line - elfy one line above did
[13:39] <ObrienDave> Guido1, you're fighting a losing battle, give it up
[13:40] <Guido1> ObrienDave: what do you mean?
[13:40] <elfy> Guido1: you can remap shortcuts - yes
[13:40] <elfy> just set the new one in the settings
[13:41] <Guido1> elfy: shortcuts and the key itself and how do i add the menu button - eaquel to the right click with the mouth
[13:41] <elfy> I'm not sure you can set one to bring the machine out of suspend or hibernate though
[13:41] <elfy> Guido1: what EXACTLY are you trying to achieve here?
[13:42] <ObrienDave> afaik, any event, keystroke, mouse movement, etc, will wake the system
[13:43] <Guido1> I have the lenovo E540. As you can see on http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-e540-black-keyboard-detail-8.jpg there is the "printsc" button between the Alt and Ctrl. I want the standard back - the menu key
[13:44] <Guido1> and put the PrtSc onn a short cut
[13:44] <elfy> that right 'menu' button does nothing here at all by default
[13:45] <ObrienDave> i dunno, it seems to act like right click context menu for me
[13:46] <Guido1> yes, that is what i want
[13:48] <Guido1> but how? I have the print button there
[14:27] <Guido1> ?
[14:27] <holstein> Guido1: are you still asking about 08:55 < Guido1> how can i remap 2 keys? maybe even independent from the OS. ?
[14:28] <Guido1> holstein: more or les - I have the lenovo E540. As you can see on http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-e540-black-keyboard-detail-8.jpg there is the "printsc" button between the Alt and Ctrl. I want the standard back - the menu key / equal to the right click with the mous
[14:29] <holstein> Guido1: did you try simply mapping it in the gui? i dont think you'll find much settings for that in the bios for "os independent" settings, though, you can ask lenovo
[14:30] <Guido1> holstein: how do i do it in the gui?
[14:30] <holstein> Guido1: theres a simple setup in the settings GUI, but if that doesnt fit my needs, i would try http://ragle.sanukcode.net/articles/remapping-keyboard-in-ubuntu/
[14:30] <holstein> Remapping the Keyboard in Linux Using xmodmap and xev
[14:31] <holstein> ^ that section is not in a gui, and should work.. what have you tried?
[14:33] <alan_o> holstein: http://software.clapper.org/cheat-sheets/xfce.html
[14:33] <Guido1> holstein: not jet, but i will
[14:33] <holstein> alan_o: hello.. i havent asked a question. is that meant for another user?
[14:34] <alan_o> oops, for Guido1
[14:34] <holstein> alan_o: no worries.. just making sure i didnt miss something
[14:34] <holstein> Guido1: i would try alan_o 's suggestion as well http://software.clapper.org/cheat-sheets/xfce.html
[14:34] <Guido1> holstein: okee
[14:44] <UTC24> hey I just updated my Dell D630 last night with a very small update & now I have no wifi...
[14:45] <UTC24> lspci list's the BCM4300 but it doesnt show up in ifconfig
[14:45] <holstein> UTC24: i would simply try the older kernel in the list and see if the wifi works.. then, depending on where that goes, i would just try reinstalling or using a different driver
[14:45] <holstein> !broadcom
[14:45] <ObrienDave> !broadcom | UTC24
[14:46] <holstein> not sure about the 4300 first-hand..
[14:46]  * ObrienDave id old and slow ;P
[14:46] <ObrienDave> *is
[14:46] <UTC24> I didnt think update from last night updated the header.... But I will try that.
[14:51] <UTC24> I looked at what was updated and didnt see anything that should have messed with wifi... Is there an easy way to roll back only the most recent update?
[14:52] <holstein> UTC24: you tried the older kernel? and read the wiki to see what driver/s support your hardware?
[14:52] <UTC24> Old kernel wifi not working now either..... It was working last night before update
[14:52] <holstein> UTC24:  i use the older kernel to "roll back" the driver
[14:53] <holstein> UTC24: in that case, i might try a supported operating system, or a live CD that i know works with the hardware, or worked in the past. i wouldnt assume its not a hardware issue
[14:53] <UTC24> It has been working on that Xubuntu / Dell D630 for months
[14:55] <UTC24> I have run into an update wrecking the wifi before. Just looking for a more elegant solution than purging and reinstalling..
[14:56] <holstein> UTC24: shouldnt need to ... i have also had the wifi hardware, when its not specifically able to support linux, break after an update
[14:56] <holstein> UTC24: what i did was remove the broadcom chips from my machines and replace with hardware that "better" supports the operating system im using.. but, i would just try reinstalling a proprietary module
[14:57] <holstein> UTC24: were you using one of the proprietary drivers? is your hardware one of the ones that is supposed to be supported by the open driver? i'll open the wiki page and search for your hardware specifically
[14:59] <UTC24> That laptop hasd no internet connection as ethernet isnt available here only wifi... Makes the problem difficult.. Hold on while I get exact BCM43xx #
[15:01] <UTC24> it is a latop so hardware upgrade also difficult
[15:02] <holstein> UTC24: i would do whatever it takes to physically hook that machine up and troubleshoot it.. its just so much easier
[15:02] <UTC24> Broadcom Corp BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4] (rev 01)
[15:03] <holstein> UTC24: so, are you using the wl? the open one? if so, you can wire up and try the others
[15:03] <holstein> UTC24: i found, they all had different issues.. and i, as i stated, ended up just changing hardware.. those things are just too cheap to be fighting with them
[15:04] <UTC24> Ok .... sigh... Thanks :-) .... In order to wire up I need to move location ... like down the road.
[15:04] <holstein> UTC24: i used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx and control+F to search "4311"
[15:04] <UTC24> So up upgraded the wifi card on the laptop?
[15:04] <holstein> UTC24: are you asking it i "upgraded" the card?
[15:05] <holstein> UTC24: i dont consider it an upgrade.. the broadcom had n support.. but the atheros i replaced it with "just works" in the operating system i choose to use
[15:05] <UTC24> Yes or the module ... I think it is for a Dell D630 Laptop
[15:06] <UTC24> So there isnt many options from manufacture
[15:06] <holstein> UTC24: not sure what you mean..
[15:06] <UTC24> I gtg thanks for the help holstein
[15:06] <holstein> UTC24: if i were you, i would wire up and try a proprietary driver..
[15:07] <UTC24> Will do I will ... sigh take it into the office this morning... LOL
[15:07] <UTC24> thanks
[15:07] <holstein> UTC24: i have an external USB wifi that "just works" with linux that i haul around for helping users with this issue, or getting drivers i need, or whatever
[15:07] <UTC24> I saved those links to my drop box and will use theinfo you provided thanks
[15:08] <UTC24> OOOOOO thats a good one I have an atheros pcmcia card that just works too! yay ! great idea!
[15:08] <UTC24> thanks !!
[15:09] <UTC24> I totally forgot about that card it was for some networking I dont do anymore..
[15:10] <holstein> UTC24: yeah.. thats handy to keep around
[15:25]  * RedDeath Back
[15:48] <alan_o> Does anyone else have an issue where evince always starts in a small window and doesn't remember its last size?
[15:50] <alan_o> http://dpaste.com/2AF4T3T
[15:50]  * RedDeath Salut/Hello
[15:50] <alan_o> So it can't open some files saying "permission denied" but there's no permission issue as I can open those files from the console.
[15:50] <alan_o> err, with an editor
[15:53] <alan_o> even so, I don't think that's it. There's a View->Save Settings as Default, which does nothing and doesn't print out anything on the console.
[15:56] <alan_o> two launchpad bugs related to dconf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/682492  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/1355804
[15:57] <alan_o> no dconf stuff shows up on the console though
[15:58] <alan_o> "This bug was fixed in the package evince - 3.10.3-0ubuntu15"
[15:58] <alan_o> I appear to have: 3.10.3-0ubuntu16
[16:01] <alan_o> hmm, the defaults show up in dconf-editor, but the app is not respecting them.
[16:02] <alan_o> so evince is updating them in dconf too, but it's not reading them on open. grumble.
[16:09] <alan_o> ah, here we go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/1366688
[16:10] <alan_o> For whatever reason, PDF viewing has been a mess ever since xpdf was removed from being the default.
[16:13] <ineuw> I need to add the xrandr parameters on login to Xubuntu but I don't now which file and where is it. This would be a workaround the fact that xorg.conf does not retain the resolution info between sessions.
[22:12] <guy312> is there any workspace switcher application (like in unity, http://bit.ly/1lYKSkR   ) i can use with xfce?
[22:21] <ObrienDave> not like that afaik. but i use the miniature one
[22:21] <RedDeath> yea
[22:21] <RedDeath> nice one
[22:25] <RedDeath> what xubuntu linux irc chat console/terminal do you know
[22:25] <RedDeath> like irssi or weechat
[22:25] <RedDeath> do you know another one
[22:25] <ObrienDave> i like HexChat
[22:26] <Luyin> I prefer Hexchat, too
[22:26] <Luyin> though I don't know if it's got any advantages over XChat, just used it because Xchat wasn't in the sources in gentoo at the time ;)
[22:27] <knome> RedDeath, there are many, but i believe those two are the most popular
[22:27] <knome> fwiw, hexchat isn't CLI
[22:27] <knome> Luyin, today, hexchat is maintained, xchat isn't
[22:28] <RedDeath> hexchat is with graphical interface
[22:28] <RedDeath> i want in console/terminal
[22:28] <Luyin> oh good to know, thanks knome :)
[22:28] <knome> RedDeath, is there any specific features you are looking for?
[22:29] <knome> they all look/feel pretty much the same at first, so that's not a strong selling point for any of them, features are
[22:29] <RedDeath> to be irc console client for xubuntu
[22:29] <knome> what's wrong with irssi and/or weechat?
[22:31] <Luyin> RedDeath: https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=irc%20CLI&gws_rd=ssl
[22:31] <RedDeath> thank you
[22:49] <RedDeath> nice